BS: Papal Bull

Subject: BS: Papal Bull
From: Mr Red
Date: 05 Apr 05 - 01:29 PM

I don't think this should really be in the BS section out of respect but it won't be long so I thought I would get the whole subject started.

SO --- is it white or black smoke you see?

Subject: RE: BS: Papal Bull
From: Rapparee
Date: 05 Apr 05 - 01:42 PM

At the moment, blue. A nice, deep, sky blue.

Subject: RE: BS: Papal Bull
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Apr 05 - 01:43 PM

I want to know why the official US delegation doesn't include former President Carter, when it includes former Presidents Bush and Clinton?

Do you suppose Carter is being dissed by Bush for speaking out against his war policies?

And why isn't the Dalai Lama attending the funeral? Do you suppose he wasn't invited?

Subject: RE: BS: Papal Bull
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 05 Apr 05 - 02:08 PM

Heck, if Dubya had his way Clinton probably wouldn't be going either. But since Clinton and George the First have become such grand friends, Dubya probably figured it'd piss Dad off if his buddy Bill didn't get a seat on the plane.

Subject: RE: BS: Papal Bull
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Apr 05 - 02:16 PM

Naw, that ain't it. It has to do with who is officially invited by the Vatican. Since I can't imagine any possible reason for the Vatican to snub Carter, there must be some other explanation.

Subject: RE: BS: Papal Bull
From: gnu
Date: 05 Apr 05 - 03:56 PM

Surely the Dalai Lama was invited, no? and Carter?

Subject: RE: BS: Papal Bull
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Apr 05 - 04:13 PM

The wire reports are quoting Scott McClellan as saying the White House "reached out" to Carter. Period.

Dunno about the Dalai Lama though. Seems odd he wouldn't go, but there are ALWAYS politics being played. The patriarch of the Russian Orthodox church refused to go, just as he had steadfastly refused to meet JP. And JP never did go to Russia, despite the Vatican's repeated overtures to the Russians, the Soviets, etc. And the reasons weren't just cuz he backed Solidarity and was vehemently anti-Soviet, anti-Russian (as many Poles are), and anti-communist.

It is also because there are certain Orthodox churches that aren't exactly mourning the death of "the Peoples' Pope", if you catch my drift.

Subject: RE: BS: Papal Bull
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 05 Apr 05 - 04:36 PM

Why should a church specifically mourn the leader of another? Sure, they can offer respectful wishes and so on, if they feel moved to, but there is no hard and fast rule that says they have to.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Papal Bull
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Apr 05 - 04:37 PM

That's correct. But most the other patriachs of the Orthodox churches will be in attendance.

Subject: RE: BS: Papal Bull
From: Rapparee
Date: 05 Apr 05 - 05:32 PM

Remember, GUEST, that there are Eastern branches of the Catholic Church which are not at all affiliated with the Eastern Orthodox churches. Goes back to the Great Schism of about 1000, if I remember aright.

Subject: RE: BS: Papal Bull
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Apr 05 - 05:33 PM

I'll try very hard not to forget that.

Subject: RE: BS: Papal Bull
From: John O'L
Date: 05 Apr 05 - 06:41 PM

Earlier than that wasn't it? 4th or 5th century? Council of Chalcedon?
I may be wrong. Usually am

Subject: RE: BS: Papal Bull
From: Rapparee
Date: 05 Apr 05 - 06:43 PM

I could be too. It was so long ago, and my memory for dates isn't what it was back then.

Subject: RE: BS: Papal Bull
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Apr 05 - 06:44 PM

East West Schism - 1054

Western Schism - 1378

If you have to ask, why bother?

Subject: RE: BS: Papal Bull
From: John O'L
Date: 05 Apr 05 - 07:20 PM

If you don't ask you don't find out.

This for example:
The Council of Chalcedon in 451 discussed the nature of Christ, disagreement thereon causing seperation of the Eastern Othodox mob from the Roman mob.

See? You lean something new every day

Subject: RE: BS: Papal Bull
From: Folkiedave
Date: 05 Apr 05 - 07:26 PM

A former member of Sheffield City Morris (Tony Rattigan) is now an ordained priest. Since according to my understanding anyone can become Pope once they are ordained - we are working up the slogan:

Rattigan for Vatigan.

Best regards,

Dave Eyre

Subject: RE: BS: Papal Bull
From: John O'L
Date: 05 Apr 05 - 07:38 PM

Good luck.
As of nine hours ago the cardinals hadn't yet decided when to go into conclave.

You might just squeak it in.

Subject: RE: BS: Papal Bull
From: John O'L
Date: 05 Apr 05 - 07:59 PM

With a couple of days intensive lobbying, I don't see why Pope Tony shouldn't be next.

It would be a miracle, and that would certainly make his intentions clear.

Subject: RE: BS: Papal Bull
From: paddymac
Date: 05 Apr 05 - 08:54 PM

Gee. I saw the thread title and immediately thought "Yep, there sure is a lot of it," then thought, Nah, it's too soon for many people for such irreverance. Delighted to see the thread take on a historical bent.

Subject: RE: BS: Papal Bull
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Apr 05 - 09:00 PM

We're irreverently slammin' it over here.

I use the Groucho Marx standard for sacredness.

Subject: RE: BS: Papal Bull
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Apr 05 - 11:59 PM

Groucho said many profound things. Are you referencing his "I sent the club a wire stating, PLEASE ACCEPT MY RESIGNATION. I DON'T WANT TO BELONG TO ANY CLUB THAT WILL ACCEPT ME AS A MEMBER" line?

How about "Military justice is to justice what military music is to music." Or "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others."

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