BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese

Subject: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 05 - 08:26 AM

The reason why the US is still haunted by this war: we slaughtered 3 million Vietnamese people, and have never taken on board just how horrendous our actions were.

Our "military solution" was, like Iraq, unprovoked by the Vietnamese themselves. We had no beef with them or them with us when it all began. The reasons for invading their country were lies, just like the reasons for invading Iraq were lies.

"On our side"--we did quite well limiting casualties in Vietnam, just as we are doing in Iraq. While 3 million Vietnamese are estimated to have been slaughtered by the US, only 58,226 Americans were killed or MIA. That's a great ratio. In Iraq, the slaughter score is 100,000+ Iraqis to only 1,500+ Americans. Of course, nobody counts the dead Iraqis and Vietnamese, because they don't really matter in the...

war against communism...war against terrorism...

Only Americans count, because we rule the world.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: robomatic
Date: 01 May 05 - 08:37 AM

When I saw the title I figured it would be another GUEST troll. It's a pile of horse manure so I have nothing to say in this venue. If someone with a real name and some guts wants to start a thread, I'll have a say there, but this is poisoned at inception.

It's 30 years since we lost you turd. Grow a spine.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 05 - 09:16 AM

In the big scale of life robomatic, I'd much rather live with the stain on my soul of posting anon in an internet chat forum, than to have participated in the slaughter of 3 million innocent human beings.

This is the 30th anniversary of the fall of Saigon, and the defeat of US imperialism is SE Asia.

I neglected to mention we also slaughtered 600,000 innocent Cambodians while we were at it too.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: RichM
Date: 01 May 05 - 10:48 AM

Too touchy a subject, Guest.

One of my vivid memories is the endless trail of burned out and twisted Iraqi vehicles reaching from the border of Kuwait, and well into Iraq.
We still don't know how many iraqis died in retreat, while providing target practice for American military hardware.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 May 05 - 10:53 AM

Must be nice to be a preacher in the Church of the Self-Righteous....

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 05 - 11:17 AM

Speaking the truth isn't preaching. All I have said here is true, and "the facts" cannot be challenged. The US slaughtered 3 million Vietnamese innocents...600,000 Cambodian innocents.

If stating that fact on the 30th anniversary of the fall of Saigon is self-righteous preaching, then I'm proud to be guilty of it.

The US is currently doing exactly the same thing to the Iraqis it did to the Vietnamese and Cambodians. Those who insist upon denying history are already repeating it. You want to defend the slaughter of innocents by the US, go right ahead...

War
Dougie MacLean

Our voice made silent
our hands made still
but deep and violent wait the ones who
wait to kill
the desert's burning, their reasons pale
for there's no returning
with some golden holy grail

What have they done?
what have they done?
the blood will run to everyone
oh, what have they done?

Is it for freedom? or is it for truth
that father's fall and all those young
men trade their youth?
or are they moved by deception's hand
that rank and reckless scatters death
across the sand

What have they done?
what have they done?
the blood will run to everyone
oh, what have they done?

Is it for freedom? or is it for truth
that fathers fall and all those young
men trade their youth?
and the desert's burning, their faces pale
for there's no returning
with some golden holy grail

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 05 - 11:34 AM

On second thought, this song is probably the more accurate reflection of the era we're living in now than Dougie's is...

Political Science
Randy Newman

No one likes us-I don't know why
We may not be perfect, but heaven knows we try
But all around even our old friends put us down
Let's drop the big one and see what happens
We give them money-But are they grateful?
No they're spiteful and they're hateful
They don't respect us-so let's surprise them
We'll drop the big one and pulverize them

Asia's crowded and Europe's too old
Africa is far too hot
And Canada's too cold
And South America stole our name
Let's drop the big one
There'll be no one left to blame us
We'll save Australia
Don't wanna hurt no kangaroo
We'll built an All American amusement park there
They got surfin too

Boom goes London and boom Paree
More room for you and more room for me
And every city the whole world round
Will just be another American town
Oh how peaceful it will be
We'll set everybody free
You'll wear a Japanese kimono
And there'll be Italian shoes for me
They'll hate us anyhow
So let's drop the big one now
Let's drop the big one now

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 05 - 11:43 AM

Most of those Vietnamese were killed by other Vietnamese. And two million Cambodians were killed by other Cambodians. Deal with it, preacher.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: robomatic
Date: 01 May 05 - 11:49 AM

I used to pick up foreign students who would be moving in to my house. Took 'em to lunch and sang 'em that Randy Newman song. We loved it, but then we understood what it was really about.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 05 - 12:00 PM

Boom!
System Of A Down

I'm walking through your streets
Where all your money's earning
Where all your buildings crying
And clueless neckties working
Revolving fake lawn houses
Housing all your fears
Desensitized by T.V.

Overbearing advertising
God of consumers
And all your crooked pictures looking good
Mirrors filtering information through the public eye
Designed for profit sharing
Your neighbor, what a guy

Boom, Boom, Boom, Boom,
Every time you drop a bomb
You kill the god your child has born
Boom, Boom, Boom,

Modern globalization
Coupled with condemnations
Unnecessary death
Matador corporations
Puppeting your frustrations with a blinded flag
Manufacturing consent is the name of the game
The bottom line is money nobody gives a fuck

40000 hungry children
Leave us per hour from starvation
While billions are spent on bombs
Creating death showers

Boom, Boom, Boom,
Every time you drop a bomb
You kill the god your child has born

Boom, Boom, Boom,
Every time you drop a bomb
You kill the god your child has born

Boom, Boom, Boom,
Every time you drop a bomb
You kill the god your child has born

Why must we kill our own child?

Boom, Boom, Boom,
Every time you drop a bomb
You kill the god your child has born

Boom, Boom, Boom,
Every time you drop a bomb
You kill the god your child has born

Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom
Every time you drop the bomb

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 05 - 12:02 PM

Bombs over Baghdad
John Trudell


Bombs over Baghdad, Bombs over Baghdad
Bombs over Baghdad, Dancers of Death
Murder in the air, with the next breath
Macho Queens selling war-makers toys
Raining Destruction, Good Old Boys
Death Bringer In Queen George's Eyes
Read his lips, war-maker lies
Religious Rights revenging sword
Thou shalt kill in the name of the Lord
The Sheep and the Cattle can't keep from milling
Some are more than ready some aren't willing
Volunteering in what they're not dying for
The Young Republican Guard crying for war.
Free speech as free as its thought
Controlled behavior reacts as its taught
Fighting for Peace can't comprehend
Hate out of love is violent pretends

Bombs Over Baghdad, Bombs Over Baghdad
Bombs Over Baghdad, Bombs Over Baghdad

Vampires drinking blood and oil cocktails
Their violence works it hardly ever fails
When blind man can't see he believes blind
Blind obedience is the child of mindless minds

New world order is an old world lie.
Fighting for peace, see how they die.
Dragging in God, as they turn violent.
God says nothing, he just remains silent.

Stop madmen from running loose.
Mother earth woman cant take the abuse
living right now is living for tomorrow
Time is saying there's no more time tomorrow

Vampires drinking blood and oil cocktails
Their violence works it hardly ever fails
Bombs over Baghdad Dancers of Death
Murder in the air with the next breath

Macho Queen war-maker toys
Raining destruction Good Old Boys
New world order is a whole world lie.
Fighting for peace, watch them all die.
Dragging in God, as they turn violent.
God says nothing, he just remains silent.

Bombs over Baghdad, Dancers of Death
Bombs over Baghdad, Dancers of Death
Bombs over Baghdad, Dancers of Death
Bombs over Baghdad, Dancers of Death
Bombs over Baghdad

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: robomatic
Date: 01 May 05 - 12:02 PM

"Bang Bang, I hit the ground...
"Bang Bang, my baby shot me down.:

Joe, I think this thread now qualifies for 'north' of the border.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 05 - 12:05 PM

Now that the United States is Vietnam's chief trading partner, Hanoi's war seems to have been pointless. But it looks like we won after all.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 05 - 12:05 PM

Thousands of feet below you
Alice Walker

Thousands of feet
Below you
There is a small
Boy
Running from
Your bombs.

If he were
To show up
At your
mother's
House
On a green
Sea island
Off the coast
Of Georgia

He'd be invited in
For dinner.

Now, driven,
You have shattered
His bones.

He lies steaming
In the desert
In fifty or sixty
Or maybe one hundred
Oily,
slimy
Bits.

If you survive
& return
To your
island
Home
& your
mother's
Gracious
Table
Where the cup
Of
loving kindness
Overflows
The
brim
(&
From which
No one
In memory
Was
ever
Turned)

Gather yourself.

Set a place
For him.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 05 - 12:09 PM

The bravery of being out of range
Roger Waters

You have a natural tendency
To squeeze off a shot
You're good fun at parties
You wear the right masks
You're old, but you still
Like a laugh in the locker room
You can't abide change
You're at home on the range
You opened the suitcase
Behind the old workings
To show off the magnum
You deafened the canyon
A comfort a friend
Only upstaged in the end
By the Uzi machine gun
Does the recoil remind you...
Remind you of sex
Old man what the hell you gonna kill next
Old timer who you gonna kill next

I looked over Jordan and what did I see
Saw a U.S. Marine in a pile of debris
I swam in your pools
And lay under your palm trees
I looked in the eyes of the Indian
Who lay on the Federal Building steps

And through the range finder over the hill
I saw the frontline boys popping their pills
Sick of the mess they find
On their desert stage
And the bravery of being out of range

Yeah the question is vexed
Old man what the hell you gonna kill next
Old timer who you gonna kill next

Hey bartender, over here
Two more shots
And two more beers

Sir, turn up the TV sound
The war has started on the ground

Just love those laser guided bombs
They're really great
For righting wrongs
You hit the target
And win the game from bars
3,000 miles away
3,000 miles away
We play the game
With the bravery of being out of range
We zap and maim
With the bravery of being out of range
We strafe the train
With the bravery of being out of range
We gain terrain
With the bravery of being out of range

We play the game
With the bravery of being out of range

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 05 - 12:40 PM

I'm all for moving this upstairs.

Heaven is falling
Bad Religion

As I walk beneath the valley
I shall fear no evil
for thanks to King George and his rainbow cabinet
today murder is legal
God I know that it's wrong
to kill my brother for what he hasn't done
and as the planes blacken the sky...
it sounds like heaven is falling
it sounds like heaven is falling

you promised me a new day a dawning
I've seen a thousand points of light
like so many points of hatred shame and horror
God I want to be a man
but I don't want to die with a rifle in my hand
and as the planes blacken the sky...
it sounds like heaven is falling
it sounds like heaven is falling

you promised me a new day a dawning
well nothing here looks new to me
but a score of mothers' sons
caught 'tween the devil and a deep blue sea

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 05 - 01:00 PM

Omigod, she's unleashing poetry! What ever will we do?????

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 05 - 01:07 PM

Song lyrics and poetry, my dear 01:00 PM. Last time I checked, this was still a music site, no? With lots of poetry posted to it, no?

This is an anniversary thread. We humans are known to mark such anniversaries with appropriate poems and songs now and then, no?

Buy War Toys for Christmas
Foremen

Little Johnny Johnson wants an M-16
Sister Susie wants an Uzi and a submachine
Kids are making wishes and wartime strategies
Singing, "Happy, happy birthday to the Prince of Peace"

Buy war toys for Christmas, have a happy holiday
Santa traded in his red cap for a green beret
Teach those happy little children to be hellcats when they play
And have a very merry, military day

Janie wants the latest deadly laser gun
Little Tommy asked his mommy for his own B-1
Kids are dropping napalm on their Christmas trees
Singing, "Happy, happy birthday to the Prince of Peace"

Buy war toys for Christmas have a happy holiday
Santa knows the missile toes the line in every way
Teach those happy little children to be hellcats when they play
And have a very merry, military day

We've all got our fingers crossed for another Cold War frost
Singing, "Oh by golly, let's be jolly, deck the holly-caust"

Darlin' Danny Simpson armed his own brigade
Staged a coup and overthrew the Christmas day parade
Kids are roasting chestnuts on burning effigies
Singing, "Happy, happy birthday to the Prince of Peace"

Buy war toys for Christmas have a happy holiday
Santa's slain his reindeer, now he flies the Enola Gay
Teach those happy little children to be hellcats when they play
And have a very merry, military day
And have a very scary, military day
Singing, "Happy, happy birthday to the Prince of Peace"

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 05 - 01:09 PM

Peace is out
Foremen
words and music by Roy Zimmerman

We used to take a nonviolent stance
In Nehru jackets and bell-bottom pants
We even used to sing, "Give peace a chance"
God, we must have been joking

We used to slander the words of our prez
And praise whatever the Tao Te Ching says
We used to wanna sing like Joan Baez
Jesus, what we were smoking?

Now when someone says, "Hell no, we won't go"
What they mean is "to Berkeley"

Peace is out, love is out
No one wants to hear about
Peace and love anymore
Now we're fighting
In a war against homelessness, a war against drugs
'Cause it's in to be in a war

We used to traipse around in tie-dye tights
Dropping daisies in enemy sights
Now we're fighting for property rights
Must have come to our senses

We used to say all we needed was love
Olive branches and sign of the dove
Now we're looking for something above
90K plus expenses

Now when someone says, "What the world needs now"
It's a private police force

Peace is out, love is out
No one wants to hear about
Peace and love anymore
Now we're fighting
In a war against joblessness, a war against crime
'Cause it's in to be in a war

All we wanna say
Is peace... ain't PC, it's passé

Now when someone says, "We shall overcome"
They mean, "We'll be right over"

Peace is out, love is out
No one gives a rat's ass about
Peace and love anymore
Now we're fighting
In a war against violence, a war against poverty
A war against ignorance, a war against obesity
A war against censorship, a war against cavities
'Cause it's in to be in...

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 05 - 01:18 PM

And from George Shrub/Dave Lippman

I WONDER WHO'S KISSINGER NOW
Original song, 1909
Original words by Will Hough and Frank Adams
Music by Joseph E. Howard and Harold Orlob
{Deep Aplogies!}

You encouraged those massacres in East Timor
Not as famous as Vietnam true
You have wreaked your affliction on each one in turn
and have sworn each one you didn't do
You were our Svengali, a master by golly
The extent of your crimes no one knew
does it ever occur to you later my boy
that you could be tried, even you?

Chorus
I wonder who's Kissinger now
How's the old coup-binger now
wonder who's looking out from his eyes
breathing sighs, telling lies
I wonder who's home in his head
Is there remorse for the dead
wonder if he still thinks he'll go free
I WON-DER WHO'S KISSINGER NOW

If you want to feel justice, be given your due
just imagine yourself sharply dressed
In the docket of some War Crimes Tribunal hearing
from the people you cruelly suppressed
Oh the time slips away and your crimes in Chile
flit away with a sword and a tear
So though you can tell where is Kissinger now
You might be in jail this time next year


Chorus

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 May 05 - 02:01 PM

Isaiah's Dream
Guy (Buddy) Tabor © 2005
Album: Hope "Hope is the First Step toward Disillusionment"

Oh the soldier sleeps in a flag-draped grave
You hid your lies behind the life he gave
He obeyed your will but you lied to him
Now the tears like water stain the faces of his next of kin

When we rose up to say you were wrong
Like Saul you gnashed your teeth with propaganda's song
You wanted power, to gain control
And yes, it seems that you have lost your very soul

Oh the vine is green and the wine is red
And the word was made flesh and you know that flesh has bled
There'll come a time but I don't know when
All I know is that spark of hope still burns within

Isaiah's dream is coming 'round
And the sword hammered into the plow on fertile ground
Oh the thorns are sharp but peace will come
One day all of us will dance to a different drum

Oh the vine is green and the wine is red
And the word made flesh and you know that flesh has bled
The time will come but I don't know when
All I know is that spark of hope still burns within

Yes there'll come a day when there'll be no more war
And it won't be taught to the nations of the world any more
Yes that day will come but I don't know when
All I know is that spark of hope still burns within
All I know is that spark of hope still burns within

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 May 05 - 04:58 PM

Yeah, yeah. And I, a veteran of the Infantry of the Vietnam time, also know

Talking Vietnam Blues
I got a letter from LBJ
Sergeant, I'm a draftee
Draft dodger rag
Universal Soldier
Galveston

and a slew of others.

We sang 'em on patrol.

Deal with it, Preacher.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: Peace
Date: 01 May 05 - 05:18 PM

Loved the song "Galveston" by Campbell.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: Peace
Date: 01 May 05 - 05:20 PM



The hits just keep on rollin'.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 May 05 - 07:48 PM

Civilization, a historian wrote, is a magnificent city situated next to a river down the middle of which constantly flows a trickle of blood. Sometimes, the river overflows its banks.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: Peace
Date: 01 May 05 - 07:59 PM

Too true, Rapaire. With a quick count I was up to about fifty million, and I don't think that included the World Wars.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 05 - 08:22 PM

So if I'm catching you gents' drift, millions of innocent human beings are slaughtered, butchered, murdered--millions more in the 20th century than throughout all the rest of human history combined...but it's nobody's fault? C'est la vie? No need to worry, it's just "human nature"?

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST,Don Firth
Date: 01 May 05 - 08:28 PM

Sometimes I despair of my species.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: Peace
Date: 01 May 05 - 08:33 PM

"So if I'm catching you gents' drift, millions of innocent human beings are slaughtered, butchered, murdered--millions more in the 20th century than throughout all the rest of human history combined...but it's nobody's fault? C'est la vie? No need to worry, it's just "human nature"?"

You are catching THIS gent's drift wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 May 05 - 08:35 PM

Likewise.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 05 - 09:57 PM

The Ballad of the Green Beret
~Sgt. Barry Sadler and Robin Moore Fighting


Fighting soldiers from the sky,
Fearless men who jump and die.
Men who mean just what they say,
The brave men of the Green Beret.


Silver wings upon their chests,
These are men, America's best,
One hundred men we'll test today,
But only three win The Green Beret.


Trained to live off nature's land,
Trained to combat, hand to hand.
Men who fight by night and day,
Courage take from The Green Beret.


Silver wings upon their chests,
These are men, America's best,
One hundred men we'll test today,
But only three win The Green Beret.


Back at home a young wife waits,
Her Green Beret has met his fate.
He has died for those oppressed,
Leaving her this last request.


Put silver wings on my son's chest,
Make him one of America's best,
He'll be a man they'll test one day,
Have him win The Green Beret.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 05 - 10:02 PM

(Warren Zevon)
Lear jet S.W.A.T. team
On a midnight run
With the M16
And the Ingram gun
We parachute in
We parachute out
"Death from above"
We're screaming now
Where the pay is good
And the risk is high
It's understood
We'll do or die
Sten gun in hand
Where the gun is law
From Ovamboland
To Nicaragua
Strength and muscle and jungle work
Three young men
In a Russian truck
With a little Mac10
Sent 'em running to the huts
A few young men
The few who dare
To battle in hell
Le Mercenaire!
Strength and muscle and jungle work

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 05 - 10:04 PM

Roland was a warrior from the Land of the Midnight Sun
With a Thompson gun for hire, fighting to be done
The deal was made in Denmark on a dark and stormy day
So he set out for Biafra to join the bloody fray

Through sixty-six and seven they fought the Congo war
Fingers on their triggers, knee-deep in gore
For days and nights they battled the Bantu to their knees
They killed to earn their living and to help out the Congolese

Roland the Thompson gunner...

His comrades fought beside him - Van Owen and the rest
But of all the Thompson gunners Roland was the best
So the CIA decided they wanted Roland dead
That son-of-a-bitch Van Owen blew off Roland's head

Roland the headless Thompson gunner (Time, time, time
For another peaceful war
Norway's bravest son But time stands still for Roland
'Til he evens up the score)
They can still see his headless body stalking through the night
In the muzzle flash of Roland's Thompson gun
In the muzzle flash of Roland's Thompson gun

Roland searched the continent for the man who'd done him in
He found him in Mombassa in a barroom drinking gin
Roland aimed his Thompson gun - he didn't say a word
But he blew Van Owen's body from there to Johannesburg

Roland the headless Thompson gunner...

The eternal Thompson gunner, still wandering through the night
Now it's ten years later but he still keeps up the fight
In Ireland, in Lebanon, in Palestine and Berkeley
Patty Hearst heard the burst of Roland's Thompson gun
And bought it

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: Peace
Date: 01 May 05 - 10:06 PM

"Fighting soldiers from the sky,
Fearless men who jump and die."

That was always a bad song. Sorry to all who like it, but the first two lines really need re-write.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 05 - 10:10 PM

too bad brucie:
gordon fuckin' lightfoot couldn't touch that lyric by reachin' up and jumpin' here's more:
Trey Parker: America, Fuck Yeah

America...
America...
America, FUCK YEAH!
Coming again, to save the mother fucking day yeah,
America, FUCK YEAH!
Freedom is the only way yeah,
Terrorist your game is through cause now you have to answer too,
America, FUCK YEAH!
So lick my butt, and suck on my balls,
America, FUCK YEAH!
What you going to do when we come for you now,
it's the dream that we all share; it's the hope for tomorrow

FUCK YEAH!

McDonalds, FUCK YEAH!
Wal-Mart, FUCK YEAH!
The Gap, FUCK YEAH!
Baseball, FUCK YEAH!
NFL, FUCK, YEAH!
Rock and roll, FUCK YEAH!
The Internet, FUCK YEAH!
Slavery, FUCK YEAH!

FUCK YEAH!

Starbucks, FUCK YEAH!
Disney world, FUCK YEAH!
Porno, FUCK YEAH!
Valium, FUCK YEAH!
Reeboks, FUCK YEAH!
Fake Tits, FUCK YEAH!
Sushi, FUCK YEAH!
Taco Bell, FUCK YEAH!
Rodeos, FUCK YEAH!
Bed bath and beyond (Fuck yeah, Fuck yeah)

Liberty, FUCK YEAH!
White Slips, FUCK YEAH!
The Alamo, FUCK YEAH!
Band-aids, FUCK YEAH!
Las Vegas, FUCK YEAH!
Christmas, FUCK YEAH!
Immigrants, FUCK YEAH!
Popeye, FUCK YEAH!
Demarcates, FUCK YEAH!
Republicans (republicans)
(fuck yeah, fuck yeah)
Sportsmanship
Books

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 May 05 - 10:16 PM

It was a lousy song, full of pathos and jingoism. That's why we parodied it:

Fighting fuckups of the land
Fearless men who come by hand....

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 May 05 - 10:59 PM

My (activated) National Guard unit used to bust up bars at Chu Lai, fighting (and winning) with Special Forces:

SPECIAL FORCES SONG

Bird shit falling from the sky,
These are men who jump and cry.
One hundred men will shit today,
And wipe their ass with a green beret.

Sixth Regiment, you know the name,
Throughout Vietnam, you've heard our claim
When it comes to pride and fame,
Who needs that silly green beret?

Silver wings upon my chest?
I ride in choppers above the rest.
Although I get less dough this way,
Who needs that silly green beret?

At Ha Tahn or at Tra Bong,
I dare you, cunt, to say I'm wrong,
A dozen men we saved today,
And every one was a green beret.

In your compounds, there you sit.
The folks back home believe you, shit.
If they knew, they'd change their tone,
And pack your bags and send you home.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: Bobert
Date: 01 May 05 - 11:01 PM

Ahhhhh, sorry to be late to the song-writtin' contest but don't matter...

Yeah, the US has taken over where Hitler left off as the world's assasins.... And they have performed, and continue to perform, well in this role...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST
Date: 02 May 05 - 08:50 AM

Just like some of the proud men posting here Bobert. They love being little Hitlers and butchering the innocent.

There is nothing special about the US "Special Forces" except their barbarity.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 May 05 - 09:08 AM

Yes, sir, Preacher. That Quartermaster Unit I was with in NG sure were paid killer drug-crazed assassins. Why, when that convoy of JP-4 was ambushed on Highway 1 and the driver of the lead truck was hit bad and he told his Assistant Driver to jump so he could drive the truck off a 50 foot embankment and let the rest of the convoy get clear of killing zone, why I'll betcha he was just buckin' for a medal! (Good thing the Army never gave him one, huh? If he'd lived he mighta gotten a swelled head.)

And my late friend Bob, who used to go into villages on MEDCAP and take care of the kids and the old folks, he only did it so that later he could call in napalm strikes and listen to the bodies sizzle.

You pompous, worthless, sorry gas bag, sitting in your pile of self-righteous manure, parroting back what far better women and men originally said forty years ago, knowing nothing beyond what you learn in the media and on the Internet, doing nothing but mocking your betters and vampire-like living off their responses while hiding behind anonymity! I hereby challenge you to do something to prove what you say are your beliefs! I challenge you to actively participate in the work of "Clear Path" -- as former Vietnam Vets have -- and help Cambodia and Vietnam get rid of unexploded landmines and other explosives (not all of which were of US origin). Come on, Preacher -- put you life where your mouth is.

Never mind -- I shan't be back to see if you do.

Loudmouthed coward.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST
Date: 02 May 05 - 10:39 AM

Why shouldn't US soldiers/vets who are ordered to kill innocent people and then do it, expect to be attacked, captured, tortured, killed?

That's the game. Don't like your prospects for survival when you are part of a military force invading and conquering other peoples' countries, especially countries where you are killing millions of civilians--don't go.

You don't get any sympathy or honor points from me for "serving" the US murder machine.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: Peace
Date: 02 May 05 - 11:50 AM

GUEST,

Despite my admiration of your anti-war position, I think you should know that the man you are addressing is both honourable and honest. You may think that your rhetoric is motivated by a desire for world peace, but then your words indicate something that is quite the opposite.

PS Don't bother ranting at me. I've probably spent more days in custody for anti-war demonstrations than you ever have. YOU go put your body on the line. Right now, it just seems to be your mouth. Walk the walk then come tell us all about it. Then, I will listen to you.

PPS I seem to share more in common with Rapaire than I ever will with you. And maybe you should be aware, I know that man well enough to assert that he hates war much more than you do. Think about that the next time you decide to shoot your mouth of at him. He's better than that; you should try to be.

BM

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST
Date: 02 May 05 - 01:42 PM

Honorable and honest men don't slaughter innocent civilians.

End of discussion for me.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: Peace
Date: 02 May 05 - 02:03 PM

OK. Goodbye then.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 May 05 - 02:05 PM

Why GUEST, you've found me out. My fondest memories are of cutting the throat of a young girl we'd just finished raping and then swinging her little brother by the legs and smashing his head against a tree. Then we took the village teacher and tied her spread-eagle between two trees -- it was much more efficient to disembowel her that way. And as for the headman of the village, why, he sure did squirm when we shoved that bamboo pole up his ass!

Oh, wait. Sorry. Wrong atrocities. These were done by Charlie. Oops. My bad.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST
Date: 02 May 05 - 02:10 PM

Nice try Rapaire, but the entire world (except for the apologists for the US troops) knows that it wasn't just "Charlie" committing atrocities and slaughtering innocent civilians in Vietnam.

For one thing, "Charlie" didn't own any B-52s.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: sixtieschick
Date: 02 May 05 - 02:58 PM

I usually avoid getting involved in these mud-slinging fests on political threads, but I feel compelled to jump into this one. I too have more anti-Vietnam war protests and lungs-full of tear gas in my past than most.

However, Guest, if you consider yourself a proponent of nonviolence, I invite you to look at the arrows you are slinging on this thread. The greatest proponents of nonviolence in our time, from Mohandas Gandhi and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. to legions of unnamed conscientious objectors and peace workers ALL advocate examining the violence in one's own heart as a necessary precursor to taking nonviolent action. Action includes speech.

Some of the finest men I know have gone to war or otherwise served in the military. They had their reasons. Those who went to Vietnam had a bad time over there and sometimes even a worse time when they returned home. Why continue to attempt to wound them?

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST
Date: 02 May 05 - 03:16 PM

That's a pretty outrageous attempt to equate being curt and strident to other posters, to being violent.

Nice try, buy homey don't play that tune. I'm very clear, in both my convictions and my actions. Of course there are people taken aback by such plain, direct, and forthright stridency. But what I am doing isn't violence--not by any stretch of the imagination. I am not behaving any differently here than I would with my own family members who are former military who did active combat duty--and I have one brother-in-law--a Korean War vet--whom I go round with on a regular basis on this issue.

Actually, the men and women I've known who have served in the US military don't impress me one way or the other just because of military service. I don't buy that propaganda line. Nor do I feel I "owe" Vietnam vets or the post-Vietnam soldiers and vets who did active combat duty, any thanks--quite the opposite. They didn't murder in MY name, regardless of what the propaganda tells you.

And the current active duty soldiers engaged in the slaughter of innocent civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan are butchers too.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST
Date: 02 May 05 - 03:17 PM

BTW, I'm not claiming to be a proponent of non-violence. I AM opposed to the slaughter of innocent civilians around the world by the US military in the name of "national security" or "freedom" or "democracy".

Butchery by armed thugs is still butchery, even when my fellow country men are the ones engaging in it.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 May 05 - 03:19 PM

Goodbye, Preacher. I leave you with these thoughts:

...In 1953 the Communist Viet Minh (as they were then known) launched two of their murderous "land reform" programs in North Vietnam, the so-called "sky-splitting and earth-shaking" mass campaigns. "A particularly shocking device of these two savage campaigns," notes Professor Rummel, "was murder by quota."(31) The Communist Party Politburo ordered that "5 percent of the folk in each village and hamlet had to be eliminated: five in a village of 100, twenty-five in a village of 500 and fifty in a village of 1,000." Rummel cites estimates of the murder toll for these campaigns alone as somewhere between 15,000 to 500,000.(32) All told, says Rummel, between 1953 and 1956 the Communists likely killed 195,000 to 865,000 North Vietnamese. These were noncombatant men, women and children. That can hardly be considered winning by occupying the "moral high ground."

In 1956, high Communist official Nguyen Manh Tuong admitted that "while destroying the landowning class, we condemned numberless old people and children to a horrible death."

This same genocidal pattern became the Communists' standard operating procedure in the South also. This was unequivocally demonstrated by the Hue Massacre. In addition to reporting the exact reverse of the actual military outcome of the Tet Offensive, the liberal media covered up another very important part of the story: the massive atrocities committed by the Communists in the city of Hue during Tet.

When they were driven out of Hue 26 days later, thousands of people were missing. A series of mass graves was discovered containing the bodies of 2,750 missing civilians who had been shot, clubbed to death, or buried alive. An equal number remained missing, presumed to be abducted or executed. According to the 1972 U.S. Senate Internal Security Subcommittee report entitled The Human Cost of Communism in Vietnam, "the killings were in no sense random, but were carried out on the basis of explicit directives and from prepared lists of names, the Communists moving through the streets methodically with their clipboards and pulling the victims from their houses."

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST
Date: 02 May 05 - 04:02 PM

There are innocent civilians being butchered by their own governments or paramilitaries around the world everyday--like in Darfur, where the US has done nothing to stop it. Just like we did nothing to stop Saddam from butchering his country's civilians when he was our bastard.

So don't try getting holier than thou like the US military was in Vietnam on a humanitarian mission, Rapaire. NOBODY is gonna buy that crap.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST
Date: 02 May 05 - 04:13 PM

In fact, anyone who dies by not being killed by an evil American bastard just broadens the massive guilt of all Americans for not defending that person from death. Everyone who dies by death from Americans going back in time to the Magma Charter is also innocent compared to those vicious American bastards. I'm thinking of brining Britain in on this because without them there would have been no evil American bastards.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST
Date: 02 May 05 - 04:17 PM

Americans are guilty of supporting the slaughter our troops engage in, pure and simple. We are a democratic republic, and when our leaders are engaging in this sort of imperial militarism, we are the ones who are responsible for getting rid of them and stopping the slaughter. You do nothing--you are culpable.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: Peace
Date: 02 May 05 - 04:22 PM

"Magma Charter"

Typo or the document of 1215?

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST,Mimi
Date: 02 May 05 - 04:54 PM

Magma Charter = a Freudian slip involving an erupting volcano, IMO.

Also, I never knew that Americans were busy killing everybody back then, except for natives killing other natives, and perhaps a Norseman or two who strayed Westward Ho. Amazing, the stuff you can learn on the 'cat.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST,Guy Who Thinks
Date: 03 May 05 - 11:07 AM

Rapaire has it right except for the part about the "liberal media" not reporting the Hue massacre. It was widely reported almost immediately. The Communist propaganda story was that the U.S. and South Vietnamese were responsible. That way Hanoi could have its cake and eat it too.

Ownership of virtually any land in the "Democratic" Republic of Vietnam in the '50s - even half an acre - qualified you for execution as an "enemy of the people."

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: mg
Date: 03 May 05 - 12:46 PM

We can't go save them in Darfur and these other places because then Guest wouldn't like what we would have to do in order to accomplish that. Bad enough we tried to save them in other places but now we know much better. Soon we will totally see the light and lay down all our arms. The same bright light will shine over any potential enemies who will simultaneously lay down theirs and not even think of taking advantage of a world of innocent lambs. Which they could then do with a few rocks and bamboo sticks but don't tell them that. mg

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: Kim C
Date: 03 May 05 - 12:50 PM

In the interest of equal time - how many Australian Aboriginals did the English slaughter?

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST
Date: 03 May 05 - 01:44 PM

Equal time for whom?

Wouldn't the more relevant question be, how many native people in the US were slaughtered by the US military? We are, after all, talking about the US empire here, not the British (though they've plenty of blood on their hands as well, I do believe the US may have even surpassed the British in terms of genocide, war crimes, civilian slaughters, etc).

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: Kim C
Date: 03 May 05 - 02:02 PM

Equal time for everyone. The US doesn't have the corner on the slaughter market.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 03 May 05 - 02:19 PM

Yes. Equal time. Please to note that all the evil US military is not composed only of men.   mg

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST
Date: 03 May 05 - 03:36 PM

The number of native people killed by the U.S. army long ago probably isn't knowable for certain. 50,000 between 1776 and 1890 may be a reasonable estimate based on population density and frequency of conflict. It even could be on the high side.

Most of the Indian Wars resulted from land-hungry settlers violating treaties and then demanding protection from the government when the Indians understandably replied in kind.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: Gervase
Date: 04 May 05 - 04:38 AM

You're not going to change the opinions of some little jerk who's trying to yank your chain for the anonymous, safe thrill of it. Confront it with decently held opinions and it squeals louder and sprays yet more accusations for heaven's sake.
The poor little thing hasn't got into joined-up thinking yet and is propably laundering some major guilt by whacking off at veterans. OK, maybe you're helping in the process of catharsis for some fucked-up little saddo, but you're not going to make it think like a grown-up.
I used to see the type on demonstrations - hyped up with visceral outrage and shouting louder than anyone, but they never actually did anything. More to be pitied than scorned, really...

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST
Date: 04 May 05 - 08:05 AM

Ad hominem attacks don't become you Gervase.

I notice no one here is disputing the original facts. That the US is responsible for the slaughter of 3 million innocent Vietnamese, 600,000 Cambodians, over 100,000 Iraqis--but hell, the US has become such an efficient death machine, we don't even count the Iraqi civilian casualties because in our world they don't count for shit.

Just our boys. Just our vets.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: mg
Date: 04 May 05 - 11:02 AM

and girls remember. mg

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: Gervase
Date: 04 May 05 - 12:33 PM

Guest, if you're into pointing up logical fallacies, I'd refer you to your own posts attacking Rapaire and robomatic.
But what is your point?

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 May 05 - 01:53 PM

I echo Gervase's question: What is your point? Let's say that we agree with you, (which I don't) that the US has unthinkingly, unblinkingly slaughtered untold thousands of innocents- what do you want us to do about it? What's past is past- the future is where we must bend our efforts. So let's hear some plans, some methods for reaching and re-educating millions of Americans and their government.

??

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST
Date: 04 May 05 - 02:38 PM

Correction, millions of innocents, not thousands.

The point of the thread--the 30th anniversary of the fall of Saigon.

What do I want you to do? Know your history, and act to prevent the repetition of it.

As to the "who started it" crap--scroll up. I posted the first post, and I was attacked for it in the second post from robomatic.

But at least we know who the people are who don't bother reading from the beginning of the thread before they post...

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: Claymore
Date: 04 May 05 - 06:14 PM

First of all I quarrel with the incredibley stupid statement "Innocent Vietnamese". All the ones I shot or called air or arty on, were wearing uniforms and shooting at me. Since I was up in the DMZ, there were no villages anywhere around. And when I left in '69, we were winning.

The way I look at it, I shot enough of them to get me home...

As for history, we learned enough about guerilla warfare to arm the Afghans, bleed the Russian Army dry, and win the Cold war without firing a shot. Remember, it is Communism that is on the ash heap of history... And soon the radical Muslims will join them...

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: Peace
Date: 04 May 05 - 10:35 PM

But, Claymore, you too are finding out that the Afghanis are tough. Let's also hope that Iraq does not become another Vietnam. The US was supposed to be out of Iraq already.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST,MarkS
Date: 04 May 05 - 11:28 PM

Hey Rapaire and Claymore-

Guest would not know a Medcap from a Mudcat, and by leaving out small details like the boat people, the reeducation camps, and the now admitted irredentist role of the North in triggering the "homegrown" revolution in the south, he displays a brain dead tendentiousness which invalidates the very arguments he makes.

Mark(war zone C in '69)S

ps - Weren't there other ideological motors at the time? Hard to remember. The "USSR" or "Mao", or something?

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST
Date: 05 May 05 - 07:45 AM

No ones forgetting the boat people, Ho Chi Minh or the war crimes committed by the Vietnamese. But that still doesn't change this fact: the US is responsible for the deaths of 3 million Vietnamese people.

Claymore: may I ask WHY you were in THEIR country shooting at THEM to begin with, hmmmmmm???

Doesn't matter if you thought you were "winning" (though I question in what sense--the body count? territory held?) when you left Vietnam. The losers were the civilians of Vietnam and Cambodia.

And aren't you vets forgetting to mention Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge too? We didn't do jack about them, now did we or great and mighty cold warrior vets?

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST,X the unknown
Date: 05 May 05 - 08:16 AM

So what's your point, mad Preacher Guest?

If America had sent troops to destroy Pol Pot, you'd rant and rave about that too, wouldn't you? Wouldn't you?

You say you're not an advocate of nonviolence. What sort of violence DO you advocate?

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST
Date: 05 May 05 - 02:50 PM

I agree with sixties chick. It's time to stop fighting the Vietnam war.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: mg
Date: 05 May 05 - 03:21 PM

True enough about Pol Pot. Remember the domino theory? He was it. And of course Laos had terrible times too. But the line somehow held in other places, for which we can be thankful.

I caught the tale end of a show on diaries that young women had written during the Holocost..from Ukraine, Poland etc...I was stunned bhy how similar they were to the writings of young Cambodian teens I had worked with, and who survived when so many did not. If anyone is in touch with the hereafter, tell them we tried. mg

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST
Date: 06 May 05 - 07:57 AM

I support peacekeeping and humanitarian missions only, not imperial wars like Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Chile, Haiti, Palestine, Afghanistan, Iraq...

That is it. That is all I think the US military should be used for--to defend against tyranny, not create it.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST
Date: 06 May 05 - 09:35 AM

I support peacekeeping and humanitarian missions only, like Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Chile, Haiti, Palestine, Afghanistan, Iraq...

-to defend against tyranny, not create it.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: Raedwulf
Date: 06 May 05 - 04:12 PM

But apparently you don't support giving yourself a name, so that all those you're busy attacking can be sure that they're replying to the same person.

Of course, that's just like Vietnam, ain't it? Where the poor bloody bastard on the ground never knew who was shooting at him or where it was coming from? So he had to spray around indiscriminately (I believe "suppressing fire", or something like it, is the military terminology) in the hope that he might save the lives of some of the blokes he actually knew.

Funnily enough, your life isn't in danger, is it Guest? This is only an internet chat forum. You might get flamed, but it ain't napalm. Yet you still don't have the courage of your... opinions (I won't call them convictions, not unless you care to show me the criminal record...). But we all know Rapaire. We know who he is, we know what he's done (we know where you live, Rap... ;-) ).

And I respect his opinion even when I don't agree with it, because I know Rap, via Mudcat, to have an opinion worth respecting & worth taking time to consider.

You, Guest? You're an anonymous puff of verbiage. Who in this thread supports you? Ever wondered whether you could make your point in a better fashion? As far as I can see you have no support for your point of view here. That doesn't mean you're wrong. But if it doesn't make you stop & think, I promise you that you will spend a very large part of your life railing against the stupidity of a world incapable of realising how wise & wonderful you are...

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST
Date: 06 May 05 - 04:37 PM

And that ridiculous last post comparing an anon guest poster to the vietnamese, means guest you have won the argument hands down and made your point. The war mongers have no weapon of reason.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: Raedwulf
Date: 06 May 05 - 04:56 PM

And that ridiculous last post... By whom exactly? Because at no point did I compare Guest (oooh look, another passing clod, I mean, cloud, we can't identify) to the Vietnamese.

I was merely pointing out that "Yet another do we care who the f*** they are" Guest's arguments weren't likely to make much of an impression. Lo & behold! Up pops another passing loosely packed blob of water vapour...

I am both fortunate & glad to be able to say that neither I nor (almost any) of my immediate family (my maternal grandfather woke up screaming in the night after his experiences in WWI, that's it...) have any direct experience of war. Lucky me. My knowledge of war is almost entirely based on my knowledge of history.

Now, who are you, Guest, & why (& how) the fuck do you presume to label me as a warmonger?

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: Peace
Date: 06 May 05 - 06:39 PM

Raedwulf,

Just a while back you gave me shit for getting all pissed at a guest, and here YOU are doing it. I don't suppose you want me to quote you now, do you?

BM

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST,Wise and Wonderful
Date: 06 May 05 - 07:34 PM

When you can't discuss the facts, you resort to attacking the messenger.

Sure, and aren't I Charlie in the Mudcat bush?

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: Bobert
Date: 06 May 05 - 09:51 PM

Well, all I can say is, like Iarq, Vietnam was a war of imperialiam and colonialism... Them is some dumbass reasons to get into a war and most of the time when countries enter into wars based on those factors, they end up on the loosin' side, just as the US/UK situation in Iraq...

The "Domino Theory" was nuthin' but a PR stunt by the colonialists. Same with the supposed Gulf of Tonkin crap... (Think WMD here...)

Nothin has really changed here... The US is the world bully and loves to go mess with folks... It has a thirst for others folks blood... Be it the Native Americans who inhabited what is not the US, the Hispanics in the Spainish American War, the Mexicans in the Polk's Mexican War....

Don't much matter, the US takes what it wants and comes up with all kinds of rationalizations for doing so...

Whereas I love and respect my brothers who fought and died in Nam, the US had no business in sending them there and I am glad that the Vietnamese people won their own friggin' country...

Imperilaism and colonialism is wrong, no matter who's doing it...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: mg
Date: 07 May 05 - 12:23 AM

The domino theory was a bit more than a publicity stunt. Try this. If you wanted water, you had to lick it off the boots of your sadistic guard. If you wanted to eat, you ate mice. If you escaped, you had to leave crying babies on the trail, perhaps to be eaten by tigers. Perhaps worse. Not a publicity stunt. mg

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: Bobert
Date: 07 May 05 - 07:41 AM

And just how does this picture of cruelty dovetail in supportin' the domino theory???... Please elaborate...

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST,Wise and Wonderful
Date: 07 May 05 - 09:23 AM

Especially the babies being eaten by the tigers. I love that one! Sounds like something the Ingrid Bergman charachter would say in "Murder on the Orient Express".

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST,Guy Who Thinks
Date: 07 May 05 - 09:40 AM

Ever notice that the Marxist posters around here never regard the Vietnamese who opposed Communism as being "Vietnamese"?

Their country was the Republic of Vietnam, and after its destruction they paid a heavy price.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST,Guy Who Thinks
Date: 07 May 05 - 09:41 AM

And before its destruction as well.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST,Wise and Wonderful
Date: 07 May 05 - 09:45 AM

Guy Who Claims to Think (not to mention put words in the mouths of others)--just where in this thread, or any other for that matter, has anyone "never regard(ed) the Vietnamese who opposed Communism as being "Vietnamese"?

I just love the way people like the Big Guy Who Thinks read their own prejudices into what a person doesn't say.

That claim makes as much sense as the babies being eaten by tigers claim does...

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: mg
Date: 07 May 05 - 11:03 AM

I fail to see the humor in babies being eaten by tigers, or left to die of starvation and exposure, and can not understand how someone would find it amusing.    mg

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST,Wise and Wonderful
Date: 07 May 05 - 11:09 AM

A dingo ate my baybay!

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: mg
Date: 07 May 05 - 12:03 PM

And is that funny either? mg

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST,Guy Who Thinks
Date: 07 May 05 - 02:01 PM

Well, the title you chose for this thread is "American Slaughter of Vietnamese."

Not, for example, "To Mourn All Victims of Indochina War," which IMO would be more realistic and appropriate.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: mg
Date: 07 May 05 - 03:25 PM

not my title. mg

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST,Guy who thinks as well as you, guy who think
Date: 07 May 05 - 03:32 PM

His picture's here.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 May 05 - 03:34 PM

Mary G, where do you find this information? I would appreciate a link.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: mg
Date: 07 May 05 - 03:50 PM

not all the world is composed of links. What do you need to know? That there are tigers in Cambodia? Google shows 400,000 hits. That babies were left on trails? I assume that is common knowledge. Put the two together. I don't know if a specific link exists. I have writings of Cambodian girls talking about fearing, and perhaps encountering, but I don't recall, tigers when they escaped. mg

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST,Guy Who Thinks
Date: 07 May 05 - 09:52 PM

Not responding to you, mary garvey, but to initiating Guest.

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST,Guy Who Drinks
Date: 08 May 05 - 04:17 PM

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: GUEST
Date: 08 May 05 - 04:41 PM

"I assume that is common knowledge."

this translates to: i don't know a damn thing about this subject but that doesn't stop me from shooting off my mouth about it"

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: mg
Date: 09 May 05 - 03:00 PM

Do you not know what happened there? Here is a link to some oral histories etc. Warning, even the first picture is pretty horrifying.

http://www.cybercambodia.com/dachs/killing.html

There are oral histories etc. on the web. I think it is up to people who want to educate themselves to seek them out. mg

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: Peace
Date: 09 May 05 - 03:02 PM

http://www.cybercambodia.com/dachs/killing.html

Subject: RE: BS: American Slaughter of Vietnamese
From: mg
Date: 09 May 05 - 04:50 PM

here is an interesting story. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?c_id=2&ObjectID=9002535