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Subject: Lyr Req: Lyrics for Paul Bradys The Creel From: Phil Hession Date: 24 May 05 - 03:56 PM I've been searching for the lyrics for Paul Bradys version of The Creel to be found on his album Welcome here Kind Stranger with no success. I've had a go at listening to the song and writing down what i think are the lyrics but I'm not positive I've got them right, if anyone has the correct lyrics I'd be grateful if you could fire them my way. Ta Phil |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lyrics for Paul Bradys The Creel From: GUEST,Allen Date: 24 May 05 - 06:25 PM Havent heard the song, but imagine it's a version of the Keach (or Ride) in the Creel, so do a search here. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lyrics for Paul Bradys The Creel From: Peace Date: 24 May 05 - 11:22 PM http://ingeb.org/songs/afairyou.html |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lyrics for Paul Bradys The Creel From: Peace Date: 24 May 05 - 11:23 PM I went to the DT with Keach in the Creel--but it shows a different song. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lyrics for Paul Bradys The Creel From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 24 May 05 - 11:37 PM A very popular song in its time; there are many versions. The Ingeb.org text is Scottish. Unfortunately the source is not acknowledged, though it shouldn't be particularly hard to identify. Brady is more likely to have recorded an Irish or American form. There are three examples in the DT, I think, but only one seems to be from a traditional source. Most of the numerous Forum threads concentrate on the version recorded by the Bothy Band: Triona's tendency to mumble has caused all sorts of difficulties for people who wanted to know exactly what she was singing. Phil: did Brady happen to mention in his sleeve notes where he got the song? That's the sort of thing people need to know if they're to help. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lyrics for Paul Bradys The Creel From: Peace Date: 25 May 05 - 12:04 AM Malcolm, There is a sound sample on this link. Maybe from that you can determine which song is in question. http://www.paulbrady.com/discog/liberty.asp I don't get sound bites here, but I also don't know enough to have the bit mean anything even if I did. I think you would, though. BM |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lyrics for Paul Bradys The Creel From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 25 May 05 - 12:50 AM The sound sample didn't seem to be accessible any longer, but I did find somebody's transcription of the Brady arrangement, as The Ride in the Creel, at http://www.ismargad.com/Creel.html Not having heard the recording (so far as I remember), I couldn't say how accurate it might be; it looks reasonable enough. From the wording, I'd guess it to be an Ulster form of the song, but could easily be wrong. Brady seems just to have described it as "trad arr", for which laziness I've always felt professional performers ought to be strangled. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lyrics for Paul Bradys The Creel From: GUEST,Allen Date: 25 May 05 - 12:56 AM Malcolm, the Ingeb text appears in MacColl's "Folk Songs and Ballads of Sctoland". He credits it to Jimmie MacBeath of Elgin. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lyrics for Paul Bradys The Creel From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 25 May 05 - 01:29 AM Thanks. Is it definitely the same? I have a recording of Jimmie McBeath (his name gets spelled both ways; don't know why) singing it to very different words, though that distinctive final verse is the same. I wonder if Ewan might have made a few wee modifications on the side? Perhaps Brady got the song from Packie Byrne? Packie's is the only example of the song listed in Roud at the moment that has that first line. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lyrics for Paul Bradys The Creel From: GUEST,Allen Date: 25 May 05 - 01:48 AM Well I haven't heard MacBeath, but the comment on that page is identical and so are the words to those in Ewan's book. I think I read somewhere that one of Paul Brady's influences was Packie Byrne, but don't quote me on that. |
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Subject: Lyr Add: THE CREEL (Paul Brady) From: Phil Hession Date: 25 May 05 - 11:55 AM Malcom: I don't have the original but rather a copy of Welcome Here Kind Stranger so unfortunately I'm not in possession of the sleeve notes. However I do have the Liberty Tapes (Paul Brady Live) again another copy, in which Andy Irvine describes what is happening in the song and tells the audience that Paul sings the Donegal version of The Creel. Paul goes on to tell the audience that he composed a piece of music which the band plays immediately after The Creel for which he had no title, he explains that Donal Lunny provided the title Out the Door and Over the Wall. Unfortunately thats all the info I have on Bradys version. Anyway here's what I came up with from listening to the song. It's the last verse that I'm a bit hazy about particularly the line "And every old woman that refuse or dabble". The Creel/Out the Door and Over the Wall As I roved out on a moonlit night excitement for to find I met on the way with a pretty little girl and I asked her to be mine With me Chorus: Too ray a fother riddle da Me too ray a ray fother riddle da tonight oh How can I get to your fathers house How can I get to your bed Oh me father locks the door at night and the keys lie under his head With me Chorus If you get a ladder thirty foot Thirty foot and three And place it up to the chimney top Come down in a creel to me With your Chorus So I got me a ladder thirty foot Thirty foot and three And I placed it up to the chimney top And down in a creel came me With me Chorus But the old one she being still awake Heard something that was said I'll lay me life says the silly old wife There's a man in your daughters bed. With me Chorus And the old man he got out of bed For to see if it was true But she's pushed me down with her lily white arms And under the cover let loo With me Chorus Where are you going father dear Where are you going so late You've disturbed me at me evening prayers And oh but they were sweet With me Chorus For the devil take you silly old wife An ill death may you die For your daughters lying with a book in her arms And she's praying for you and I With me Chorus But the old one she being still awake When something else was said You can say what you like you silly old fool There's a man in your daughters bed With me Chorus No rest or peace could the old one get Til she got up to see But her foot gave a shot to the chamber pot And into the creel fell she With me Chorus Well its Rise and help me husband dear Rise and help me now For the one that you have wished me to I fear he has me now With me Chorus For the hold he's got I hope he keeps And never lets it go For between yourself and your daughter dear Its time for the cock to crow With me Chorus Well I rocked her up and I rocked her down And I gave her a great old fall Til every rail in the old womans sides Played knick knack against the wall With me Chorus Oh the blue the bonny blue And may the blue do well And every old woman that refuse or dabble Go rock in the creel to hell With me Chorus |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lyrics for Paul Bradys The Creel From: Matthew Edwards Date: 25 May 05 - 12:08 PM In his notes to the original 1978 Mulligan LP, Paul Brady fully ackowledged Packie Byrne as his main source, besides giving the full lyrics of his own version. Paul Brady wrote: "This is another version of 'The Keach in the Creel' (Child 281). The tune and most of the words come from Packie Manus Byrne, a native of Corkermore, Killybegs, Co. Donegal, now living in England. I have fleshed out his basic story by adding verses from other versions in the Child Collection where I saw fit and in some cases by adding a line or two of my own. Packie learnt his version some forty years ago from a farm labourer in Corkermore who probably brought it back from Scotland where the song originates." |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lyrics for Paul Bradys The Creel From: Phil Hession Date: 25 May 05 - 12:17 PM Thanks for the info Matthew. Do you know if the lyrics I have written above are accurate? What does Brady mean when he talks of the "Child Collection"? |
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Subject: Lyr Add: THE CREEL (Paul Brady) From: Matthew Edwards Date: 25 May 05 - 12:39 PM Here is the version as printed in the notes to the 1978 album: The Creel As I roved out on a moonlit night, Excitement for to find, I met on the way with a pretty little girl, And I asked her to be mine, with me Tooria folderiddle da Me tooria right folderiddle - antin-ido. How can I get to your father's house How can I get to your bed? Oh, my father locks the door at night And the keys lie under his head, with me... If you get a ladder, thirty foot, Thirty foot and three, And place it up to the chimney top Come down in a creel to me, with your... So I got me a ladder thirty foot Thirty foot and three, And I placed it up to the chimney top And down in a creel came me, with me... But the ould one she bein' still awake, Heard something that was said, 'I'll lay me life' said the silly ould wife, 'There's a man in me daughters bed', with me... The ould man he got out of bed For to see if it was true, But she's pushed me down with her lilly-white arms In under the coverlet blue, with me... 'Where are you going father dear, Where are you going so late? You've disturbed me at me evening prayers And, oh, but they were sweet', with me... 'Well the devil take you, you silly ould wife And an ill death may you die For your daughter's lyin' with the Book in her arms And she's praying for you and I', with me... But the ould one, she being still awake When something else was said 'You can say what you like, you silly ould fool, There's a man in your daughter's bed', with me... No rest nor peace could the ould one get 'till she got up to see, But her foot gave a shot to the chamber pot And into the creel fell she, with me... 'Rise and help me, husband dear, Rise and help me now, For the one that you have wished me to I fear he has me now!' with me... 'Well the hoult he's got, I hope he keeps And never lets it go, For between yourself and your daughter dear Its time for the cock to crow', with me... Well I rocked her up and I rocked her down And I gave her a great downfall, Till every rib in the ould woman's side Played 'Nick-nack' against the wall, with me... And it's Oh, the Blue, the bonny blue, And may the blue do well, And every ould woman 'd refuse her daughter Be rocked in the creel to hell, with me... |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lyrics for Paul Bradys The Creel From: GUEST,Allen Date: 25 May 05 - 01:06 PM Proffessor Francis J. Child published a monumental work called "The English and Scottish Popular Ballads". It contains such songs as the Cruel Sister, the Elfin Knight, Lord Randal, Lady Isabel and the Elf-Knight, Twa Corbies, Edward, Tam Lin, Sir Patrick Spens, Dives and Lazarus, Willie O Winsbury, a slew of Robin Hood ballads, Border Ballads, and much more. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lyrics for Paul Bradys The Creel From: GUEST,Allen Date: 25 May 05 - 01:31 PM Oh, look. Eliza Carthy says she got it from Packie via Brady: http://www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/~zierke/martin.carthy/songs/therideinthecreel.html |
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Subject: Lyr Add: A SHAKE IN THE BASKET (Andrew Calhoun) From: Stewie Date: 25 May 05 - 09:18 PM There is also a recent recording of this tale by Andrew Calhoun on his 'Telfer's Cows: Folk Ballads from Scotland' album under the title 'A Shake in the Basket'. Although he uses the tune printed in Child Vol V, the lyrics are not close to any of the 4 texts in Child. It is probably a Calhoun reworking - good though! In his sleeve note to the album, he indicates his approach to the ballads:
A SHAKE IN THE BASKET A fair young maid went up the street Some sweetmeats for to buy; And a young clerk fell in love with her And followed her on the sly "O, where live ye, my bonnie lass? I pray ye tell to me; And though the night were never so dark I'd come and visit thee!" "My father locks the door at night And my mother keeps the key And though the night were ever so dark You couldn't get in to me." This clerk he had a true brother, And a good square-wright was he; And he has made a long ladder With thirty steps and three. He made a basket and a hook With a long rope and a pin; He's away to the chimney top To lower the young clerk in. The old wife, she lay wide awake Though late late was the hour "I'll lay my life, said the silly old wife, There's a man in our daughter's bower!" The old man he went down the stairs To see if it were true; She took the young clerk in her arms In under the coverlet blue. "O, what are you doing my daughter dear? O, what are you doing my doo?" "I'm prayin' on the bible here For my dear old mother and you." "O wife, O wife, you silly old wife, Cursed may you be! She's got the bible in her arms And she's praying for you and me." The old wife lying wide awake heard something that was said "I'll lay my life," said the silly old wife "There's a man in our daughter's bed" "Get up, get up, my good old man And see if it be true" "Get up yourself, you silly old woman And may the devil take you" The old wife she went down the stairs To see if it be true But she slipped on the rope and reeled about And into the basket she flew The man that was at the chimney-top Finding the basket full He wrapped the rope his shoulder round And swiftly he did pull "Get up, get up, my good old man O help me, husband do For you wished me to the devil And I fear he's got me now" "Oh if the foul fiend's got you now I hope he'll hold you fast For between you and your pious daughter I haven't had a wink of rest" The man at the top he gave a cry Then he let the basket fall While every rib in the old wife's side Went nick-nack on the wall Here's to all a fond farewell And a health to the lovers true And may every old wife that wakes in the night Get a shake in the basket too --Stewie. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lyrics for Paul Bradys The Creel From: GUEST,Allen Date: 26 May 05 - 01:59 AM These are the best lines from any of the texts: O whit are ye daein', my ain dochter, Whit are daein', my doo?" "I'm prayin' on the muckle buik For my silly auld mammie and you." "Pray on, pray on, my ain dochter, And see that you do it richt; For if ever a woman has tint her reason, Your mither has done this nicht." |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lyrics for Paul Bradys The Creel From: GUEST,Henry Date: 26 May 05 - 08:35 AM Phil Hession wrote re The Liberty Tapes; Paul goes on to tell the audience that he composed a piece of music which the band plays immediately after The Creel for which he had no title, he explains that Donal Lunny provided the title Out the Door and Over the Wall. That might have been what he was expecting. However, the piece that followed was one of Andy Irvine's Balkan tunes that Paul said he had never heard before! The Liberty Tapes captured a high point of Irish music. It's one of the essential albums. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Creel (Paul Brady) From: Dave Ruch Date: 02 Jun 06 - 03:45 PM Brady's singing on The Liberty Tapes recording (live in Philadelphia USA 1978) is absolutely superb. I've just been playing it over and over again in my car over the past month or so, and hence became interested in learning his version of The Creel. His version of Paddy's Green Shamrock Shore from this CD is great too. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Creel (Paul Brady) From: Declan Date: 03 Jun 06 - 05:03 AM The Liberty tapes are so called because they were recorded at a concert in Liberty Hall, Dublin, Ireland in 1978. The concert was part of the Dublin Folk Festival in July of that year. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Creel (Paul Brady) From: Dave Ruch Date: 03 Jun 06 - 08:40 AM Right you are, Declan. Not sure where I got Philadelphia USA from... |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Creel (Paul Brady) From: GUEST,paul Date: 18 Nov 08 - 02:57 PM "That might have been what he was expecting. However, the piece that followed was one of Andy Irvine's Balkan tunes that Paul said he had never heard before! " by Henry This is wrong. The tune which follows the creel is indeed a Paul Brady one, he explains this before they play it. What he says after it is 'we've never done that one before, anything could have happend' |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Creel (Paul Brady) From: Declan Date: 18 Nov 08 - 05:21 PM The piece that follows the Creel is a Paul Brady composition which also appears on the album "Welcome Here Kind Stranger" which if I recall correctly was launched on the nigth of the Liberty Hall Concert (which I attended). in the notes for the WHKS album Brady wrote: "The piece began almost as an excercise in compound time, but by the beginning of the second part it took on a life of its own and became a tune. It's no accident that it sounds vaguely Balkan as I used what I took to be harmonies, time signatures and chordal changes frequently employed in the music of the region. Beyond that it is entirely a work of the imagination and its musical structure does not conform to any existing one that I am aware of. THe tune breaks down into three distinct parts, each repeated once" He then goes on to give the time signatures of each bar of thwe tune which I won't bore you with and to say that the tune is played three times in all. Donal's title is based on his imagined reaction of the man in the song having been found by the mother in bed with her daughter. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: The Creel (Paul Brady) From: GUEST Date: 02 Sep 09 - 10:12 AM I love this song and am trying to play it simply on guitar. it sounds as if it is in b flat and the second chord is e flat but i can't quite figure out the rest. any ideas? |
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