BS: Murder of the directly linked terrorist

Subject: RE: BS: Murder of the directly linked terrorist
From: Metchosin
Date: 26 Jul 05 - 11:00 AM

Wolfgang, almost every post on this thread concerning this incident is hindight and speculation including yours. However, checking out a person of suspicion is done in this country all the time and is generally considered the logical action of a prudent police force.

Here such action is standard regarding the possession of drugs/alcohol/stolen property or surprize! even concealed weaponsand sometimes, unfortunately, as in the UK, conducted just as an excuse for harassment based upon the racial or ethnic prejudice of individual officers.

According to Mr.de Menezes' cousin, this practice is or was standard in Britain too. Mr. de Menezes had been checked out by police in the past for lesser concerns than possibly carrying a bomb. All police searches carry an element of risk to the officers involved, even for a pocket full of marijuana, but, it is their job, even when things get very tough indeed.   

A little game of I Spy and put a few bullets in his head if things get too dicey in a crowd? Get real Wolfgang, one expects competence from a professional police force, even more so during a time of crisis. This is not a computer game or movie fer gawds sake and the public has the right to expect the police not to deliberately put them in harms way.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder of the directly linked terrorist
From: GUEST,Tír Eoghain
Date: 26 Jul 05 - 11:31 AM

If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking... is freedom.

Dwight D. Eisenhower, U.S. general and 34th president (1890-1969)

Subject: RE: BS: Murder of the directly linked terrorist
From: Metchosin
Date: 26 Jul 05 - 11:46 AM

Dwight forgot to mention along with security, the expectation of being raped with impunity too. Then again, this was a man who also thought using the atom bomb to blast the St. Lawrence Seaway was a good idea. However, his warning regarding the military industrial complex was prudent, IMO.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder of the directly linked terrorist
From: GUEST,Tír Eoghain
Date: 26 Jul 05 - 11:50 AM

That probably gets covered under 'Freedom', Metchosin

Subject: RE: BS: Murder of the directly linked terrorist
From: Wolfgang
Date: 26 Jul 05 - 11:55 AM

Metchosin,

my only point was that your logical time to check him out was not so logical but just one possible guess.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Murder of the directly linked terrorist
From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill
Date: 26 Jul 05 - 12:16 PM

Today's Tony Blair Quotes:

"Al-Qaeda is not on the same par as the IRA.... It was invidious to make comparisons"
"IRA political demands could not be directly compared to fundamentalists who carried out the 9/11 US attacks."
"I don't think the IRA would ever have set about trying to kill 3,000 people,"
"I don't think you can compare the political demands of republicanism with the political demands of this terrorist ideology we're facing now."

Subject: RE: BS: Murder of the directly linked terrorist
From: Rumncoke
Date: 26 Jul 05 - 12:27 PM

More photos of Mr. Menezes show him as decidedly light skinned - he had dark curly hair, and to me he looks Welsh. A fair few Italians settled in Wales and although their olive skin shade has not survived the dark hair and eyes have. Not all skin colouring is determined genetically.

Tony Blair on the other hand is decidedly dark at the moment. Propaganda paint-on fake tan perhaps?

It seems some don't realise how cosmopolitan a place London is - if everyone even slightly dark skinned was a suspect to be detained then very little proper policing would get done.

Britain has never been a nation of uniformly pale skinned fair haired people. Racism here in the UK is based more an accent, dress and vulnerability than any truelly genetic component.

After all the reports since the event I still don't understand why someone would run into a London tube station when challenged by police. After the events of this month it does not make sense.

A newpaper seller outside the station is reported as having seen Mr Menezes running from police who were identifying themselves and telling him to stop.

Was there some reason for him to run?

Can anyone put forward a sensible reason why a person legally living and working in the UK, and going about his normal business should be terrified out of logical thought and behaviour by being told to stop by the police?

Anne

Subject: RE: BS: Murder of the directly linked terrorist
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Jul 05 - 12:45 PM

The flaw with that, Wolfgang is, if they actually suspected he's without doing something to make sure he wasn't. I suspect it probably was somethingrather like that - but if so, it involved police playing fast and loose with the lives of people travelling on public transport in an irresponsible way.

That's not hindsight, it's foresight.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder of the directly linked terrorist
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Jul 05 - 12:46 PM

The flaw with that, Wolfgang is, if they actually suspected he was carrying a bomb, they should never have let him on that bus without doing something to make sure he wasn't. I suspect it probably was rather like that - but if so, it involved police playing fast and loose with the lives of people travelling on public transport in an irresponsible way.

That's not hindsight, it's foresight.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder of the directly linked terrorist
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jul 05 - 08:33 PM

"Today's Tony Blair Quotes:"

Well he's a smart geezer innit

Subject: RE: BS: Murder of the directly linked terrorist
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jul 05 - 08:41 PM

you forgot the question mark....

Subject: RE: BS: Murder of the directly linked terrorist
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jul 05 - 07:21 AM

well maybe me is not so brainiest as yous but i know wot me would dig!

Subject: RE: BS: Murder of the directly linked terrorist
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jul 05 - 09:33 AM

Nice big ice lollipop?

Subject: RE: BS: Murder of the directly linked terrorist
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 17 Aug 05 - 07:21 AM

Suicide, Kendall? Maybe where you live. By UK standards this is looking increasingly like murder.

Inquiry documents leaked

Subject: RE: BS: Murder of the directly linked terrorist
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Aug 05 - 08:39 AM

The only people jumping barriers and running were police.

The victim walked onto the station, not wearing a heavy jacket(with no wires), picked up a newspaper, was held by one policeman while another one shot him. Looks like all he did wrong was to resemble (slightly) one of the suspects (narrow face and darkish skin).

Are we now going to get apologies from all the Catters who kept saying he had it coming to him for behaving suspiciously?

Subject: RE: BS: Murder of the directly linked terrorist
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 17 Aug 05 - 12:32 PM

I wouldn't hold your breath.

Subject: RE: BS: Murder of the directly linked terrorist
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Aug 05 - 01:12 PM

Especially Anne Rum'n coke!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Murder of the directly linked terrorist
From: CarolC
Date: 17 Aug 05 - 01:55 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: Murder of the directly linked terrorist
From: robomatic
Date: 17 Aug 05 - 10:50 PM

I posted early in this thread to critique Hakman for jumpin' at conclusions. Well, his jump was more accurate than my comment. This is a sad tragedy which has nothing to do with whether the young man was illegally working in the country or not or spoke good English or not. He clearly did not deserve what happened to him and nothing can bring him back.

Heard an English commentator say today (08/17/05)the latest version of the police story is that one policeman was watching the suspicious residence but was 'relieving himself' as the 'suspect' exited hence gave as his best guess whether they were dealing with a terrorist or not.

While in the Boston area, the city police killed an innocent bystander during the night of the public celebration for the big win of the Red Sox over the Yankees in late 'o4. The cops were using s'posedly non-lethal riot gear, but no one was rioting. They shot the young lady in the eye with it. One thing I'll give them, the new lady chief of police made no excuses and spun no story. However, they have soft pedaled the fact that other people were shot with this equipment without provocation.