BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: Beer
Date: 23 Oct 05 - 09:33 PM

Have to admit it. Watched my first hockey game last night. I don't know about this don't touch rule in front of the net! That's like writing a new job description for the defenceman. What's he gonna do now? Will certainly increase the goals while the stands there with his finger up his ass.

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: bobad
Date: 23 Oct 05 - 09:42 PM

What did they do back in the old days before the cross checking and general mugging that had been taking place prior to the rule changes this year?

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: Beer
Date: 23 Oct 05 - 09:54 PM

I agree with you 100%. They had to do something to clean it up. But Bobad! Have you watched a game yet? It's not that I'm against it. It is how will the defenceman adjust their game to it. And don't tell me that in the old days a rover in front of the net was there for very long. It was just as rough back then as it is now. The only difference was that in the old 6 team league, the players dropped their sticks and gloves.

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: bobad
Date: 23 Oct 05 - 10:07 PM

Well I'm not sure Beer, I think that, just as in basketball, the defender must employ a strategy of gaining positional advantage. This requires skills such as foot speed and anticipation and out-thinking your opponent, kind of like a chess match. I'd much rather watch this than the goonery which we've been exposed to since the mid sixties.

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: Beer
Date: 23 Oct 05 - 10:22 PM

I haven't read the rule but what I'm told is that the the defenceman is not permitted contact with the player who parks himself in front of the net waiting for a pass. If that is the rule. Or something close to it, then I'm against this rule change. I'm still with you on the goon thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Oct 05 - 09:50 AM

I don't think there is a rule change Beer. I think that they have decided to actually enforce the Cross checking and interference rules which have always existed. If you call interference (of the goalie) on the forward parked in front of the net then it kind of evens out. In youth hockey where I grew up it was like that. Please note that the rule changes are designed to make the game more exciting and that the change in the two line pass rule can make that guy parked in front of the opposing net, flatfooted, dead weight if the defenseman gets to the puck first.

I think in the long run it will make the game better. Once the coaches start building their teams around the new rules. They will really showcase the skilled goalies and the great skaters and smart players. Look for kids like Jason Spezza and Sidney Crosby to really shine.

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: ToulouseCruise
Date: 24 Oct 05 - 11:44 AM

To clarify a wee bit...

The change in what is now happening in front of the net is not due to a specific rule change, but the new enforcement of the old rule of obstruction/interference. In hockey, you are allowed to physically contact the puck carrier (aka "checking), but not players without the puck. In the past few years, players in open ice were being manhandled even though they did not have the puck, to slow down their process into the offensive zone, or to tie them up completely to avoid them receiving a pass. The new enforcement eliminates this "thuggery" as some are wont to call it.

As a side note, it has definitely changed the play in front of the goalie. In the past, the team on offence would have a player or two parked in front at his own risk, as he was constantly being slashed at and cross checked by the defencemen there, or at least tied up with him. Now, it is almost a complete hands-off rule, which makes the defensemen's job description the one needing the most change in the game. You will see young, mobile defensemen (think Ed Jovanovski from Vancouver) being must more effective than the old-style guard (think Scott Stevens of the Devils in his heyday).

Me... I love it :-)

Brian

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: Beer
Date: 24 Oct 05 - 12:00 PM

Thanks Brian, your clairfication explains the part that fogged my glasses (You are allowed to physically contact the puck carrier, but not the player without the puck).

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: Beer
Date: 24 Oct 05 - 09:59 PM

Well Jack, Bobad, it had to happen Hurricanes 3-Sens. 2 But I guess you know already. They had a great run though. Hay Peace! Hang in there, the Oilers can only go up. it will happen.
Beer

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: Peace
Date: 24 Oct 05 - 10:01 PM

Sounds like an advertisement for Otis Elevator.

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: ToulouseCruise
Date: 25 Oct 05 - 11:51 AM

Well, I am happy with the shootout win by the Leafs last night... nice to know they are capable of getting ONE that way....

Brian

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 25 Oct 05 - 10:23 PM

Nobody has the Penguins?!?!? That was a GREAT game on OLN tonight-- looks like several players have discovered how to strategize around the new "rules" and use them to their advantage.

I'll foster-fan them. What heart!

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 25 Oct 05 - 11:28 PM

Yep, the Leafs in a shoot out. Now they have it all figured out.

Go Leafs Go.

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 02:48 PM

Sometimes you just gotta strut. I'm strutting now cos I have a feeling this streak will be over Thurday in Colorado. Or maybe not ... ;o)

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 02:52 PM

The Canucks, btw (save you rushing off up the thread to see who I took)

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: GUEST,Pseudolus at work
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 02:08 PM

Here's the list, just to remind y'all of who has who.

Go Flyers!

Frank


ToulouseCruise - Leafs
Steve Latimer - Leafs
Mooh - Leafs
Aine - Stars
Jack the Sailor - Senators
Bobad - Senators
Beer - Red Wings
TheBigPinkLad - Canucks
Dianavan - Canucks
WYSIWYG - Blackhawks
WFDU - Ron Olesko - Devils
Bobert - Caps
Bardford - Flames
gnu - Flames
Peace - Oilers
Spaw - Blue Jackets
Pseudolus - Flyers
Mark Cohen - Flyers

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 02:30 PM

Frank, Hardi and I are foster-taking the Pittsburgh Penguins, too.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: ToulouseCruise
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 02:41 PM

you never know... Pittsburg may finally get a win tonite! only team without a win so far..

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 02:43 PM

Penguins & Hawks both playing tonight? Hard to choose!

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 04:15 PM

I'll put Hardi down for the Pens, no conflict of interest that way. hehehe


ToulouseCruise - Leafs
Steve Latimer - Leafs
Mooh - Leafs
Aine - Stars
Jack the Sailor - Senators
Bobad - Senators
Beer - Red Wings
TheBigPinkLad - Canucks
Dianavan - Canucks
WYSIWYG - Blackhawks
Hardi - Penguins
WFDU - Ron Olesko - Devils
Bobert - Caps
Bardford - Flames
gnu - Flames
Peace - Oilers
Spaw - Blue Jackets
Pseudolus - Flyers
Mark Cohen - Flyers

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: GUEST,Pseudolus at Work
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 04:16 PM

Oops, that last post was me...at work....

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 05:17 PM

NO!!!!!!!!!!! We are both died-in-the-wool Hawks fans, too!

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: GUEST,naf snes
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 05:39 PM

Hi i'm naf snes, and i am a sens fan..........GO OTTAWA SENATORS!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: leftydee
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 10:03 PM

Looks like Beer has a really good pick. The Wings went to 10 and 1 tonight. Red Wings 5   Blackhawks 2. Yserman got his first point of the season. Things are coming together.

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: Beer
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 10:09 PM

Hay Lefty! Join me . I will need some Red Wing support as the seasons goes on.
Beer

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: bobad
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 10:36 PM

Senators defeat Montreal tonite in OT on a dazziling goal by Jason Spezza.

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 11:38 PM

Red Wings found the Hawks' wide-open anal pore and rammed a good one up there.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 11:46 PM

that was one pretty goal.

That Kid can PLAY!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: Pseudolus
Date: 28 Oct 05 - 11:23 AM

Forsberg got his first goal last night with less than a minute to go in regulation tying the game. No one (especially Gagne) is complaining about his play so far however. He has been an assist machine and Gagne has been reaping the benefits...twice last night.

Go Flyers....

OK, WYSIWYG and Hardi are both Blackhawks fans, but they are "foster-fanning" the Penguins until someone can step up and take the reins. Someone needs to step up. It would be a shame when one or the other team is eliminated that they would have to berate themselves for being a fan of the eliminated team. Plus there must be some rule against having two teams in the pool. Of course it is the Pens and the Hawks...maybe it's ok... :)

Frank


ToulouseCruise - Leafs
Steve Latimer - Leafs
Mooh - Leafs
Aine - Stars
Jack the Sailor - Senators
Bobad - Senators
Beer - Red Wings
TheBigPinkLad - Canucks
Dianavan - Canucks
WYSIWYG - Blackhawks
Hardi - Blackhawks
WFDU - Ron Olesko - Devils
Bobert - Caps
Bardford - Flames
gnu - Flames
Peace - Oilers
Spaw - Blue Jackets
Pseudolus - Flyers
Mark Cohen - Flyers

WYSIWYG/Hardi - Pens

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 28 Oct 05 - 12:44 PM

LOL, Frank, I had that same thought! "Which teams do we want to hear lose tonight, while playing fairly well and trying real hard?"

No Pens connection, except we really liked their style on the TV game and decided they had heart. ANy team that goes well with beer is a team I can support!

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: Beer
Date: 28 Oct 05 - 01:30 PM

You mean me?? Beer.
I also agree. One team per mudcatter. As much as I like the Penguins and Ottawa Sens.
Beer

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: Pseudolus
Date: 28 Oct 05 - 01:41 PM

Ya know, Chili said something about being a Pens fan...so how about it Chili...can we put you down for the Penguins?

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 28 Oct 05 - 02:39 PM

Oh yeah, they oughtta have somebody-- we'se jes' keepin' a eye out.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: ToulouseCruise
Date: 28 Oct 05 - 02:42 PM

Penguins go well with beer? Hmmm, I thought pretzels would be preferred... then again, I could see penguin with a nice red wine might work better...

B

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: leftydee
Date: 28 Oct 05 - 03:39 PM

Beer,
I'm with you all the way with the Wings. I've lived and breathed Red Wings hockey since I was a sprout. It really does look like they may have something this year. Can't wait to see the octopi fly!

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 28 Oct 05 - 06:16 PM

Ouch. Still, I called it. Colorado 6 - 2 Canucks.

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: Beer
Date: 28 Oct 05 - 10:31 PM

All my Canadian fans here in Quebec told me that the wings were going down because of the salary cap. In fact I had two fellows say that they were going to be like the team when Ned Harkness was in charge. I didn't appreciate that dig.
   Thanks for comming on board Lefty.
Sign him in PSEUDOLUS.
Beer

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: leftydee
Date: 29 Oct 05 - 01:02 PM

Beer,
With the coaching change in Detroit the Wings are re-energized. They look like the hardest working team in hockey again. Too many years of the old system made them a bit complacent, I think. The salary cap made them cull some of the big salaries ( Hull, McCarty, etc) that were not what they once were. The team is starting to look like Team Sweden, but it's OK. The new rules seem to favour that kind of hockey. I thought Shanahan was about done 2 years ago but he looks great. Well.... that's it from Hockeytown. Enjoy the weekend

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: Peace
Date: 29 Oct 05 - 03:15 PM

The Oilers are making a comeback.

GO, OILERS.

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Oct 05 - 10:33 PM

Whoah Leafs!! Whoah...

What is that smell?

It ain't victory that's for sure!!

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: bobad
Date: 29 Oct 05 - 10:38 PM

Fall is in the air in this part of the world and the evocative and comforting smell of burning LEAFS is on the wind.

Go Sens!

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: Beer
Date: 29 Oct 05 - 10:49 PM

Wooh!! Bobad. That's good writing.
Listening to Detorit. Their having a tougher time tonight. However Yzerman is having a great game.

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: bobad
Date: 29 Oct 05 - 10:57 PM

Good luck with the Wings Beer. They used to be my team back in the early sixties, before I stopped following hockey for around 25 years. Back in the glory days of Gordie Howe, Ted Lindsay, Normie Ullman, Alex DelVecchio, Terri Sawchuck and all the other old time greats.

They're off to a great start this year, let's hope they keep it up.

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: Beer
Date: 29 Oct 05 - 10:58 PM

Lefty.

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: Beer
Date: 29 Oct 05 - 11:00 PM

Lefty,
Red Wings 4- Black Hawcks 2.

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: Beer
Date: 30 Oct 05 - 09:49 PM

Thanks Bobad.
First month just about over and we have 245 threads. At this rate by the end on May it should be around 1700.
Beer

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: Pseudolus
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 12:40 PM

New List....dont forget the rules, they're easy. Once you're team is eliminated you must post a message admitting the error of your ways to route for a team such as yours. Then, when there is one team left standing, another post supporting the virtues of those so intelligent as to follow a champion!

Go Flyers....


ToulouseCruise - Leafs
Steve Latimer - Leafs
Mooh - Leafs
Aine - Stars
Jack the Sailor - Senators
Bobad - Senators
Beer - Red Wings
LeftyDee - Red Wings
TheBigPinkLad - Canucks
Dianavan - Canucks
WYSIWYG - Blackhawks
Hardi - Blackhawks
WFDU - Ron Olesko - Devils
Bobert - Caps
Bardford - Flames
gnu - Flames
Peace - Oilers
Spaw - Blue Jackets
Pseudolus - Flyers
Mark Cohen - Flyers
Chili? - Pens

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: ToulouseCruise
Date: 01 Nov 05 - 03:24 PM

okay now, I dunno about the whole extolling the virtues thing.... (hmm, is that me doubting the abilities of the Toronto Maple Leafs? Yes, yes it is).


Brian

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 01 Nov 05 - 03:47 PM

Frank, "rules," LOL-- this IS Mudcat, you must know no one will fall for RULES!

The rules depend on one's team. In our case, for example, any Hawks' game must be watched/heard on radio with a good meal and a good beer or two handy, since the food will have to suffice as the main event! :~)

Anyway it will be nice to SEE, tonight, just what those wicked Wings have been doing to use the first two games of the series.

Go Hapless! :~)

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey's back...Are ya happy about it?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 01 Nov 05 - 05:57 PM

The Wings are looking strong.

The Sens are 8-2 if they stay at that pace I'll be happy.

I thought the bet was for bragging rights. Since it isn't we better brg while our teams are all still in it.