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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Riginslinger Date: 05 Aug 07 - 01:26 PM '"It is done with the intent to control women" - and that is seen by the people involved as what is best for them and for society."' Wouldn't they agrue that they are simply trying to please goD? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: GUEST,sawnoff Date: 05 Aug 07 - 01:04 PM I got done later in life after a lovebite went bad. I had general anaesthetic for op but hellish pain for days followed by infection, bleeding, more pain and suffering. Perhaps it would've been better if done when small. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 05 Aug 07 - 01:01 PM "It is done with the intent to control women" - and that is seen by the people involved as what is best for them and for society. As the saying goes "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". I'm sure far more harm is done in this world by people who believe what they are doing is than by people who believe what they are doing is wrong. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try to do what is right - but just because it feels right or we've been told it's right, that doesn't mean that's the case. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Alice Date: 05 Aug 07 - 11:44 AM The World Health Organization is trying to educate people to eliminate FGM, Female Genital Mutilation or "female Circumcision". There is absolutely NO reason it should be done. It causes death, pain and suffering. Here is the WHO web site Click here W.H.O. fact sheet |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Bill D Date: 05 Aug 07 - 11:36 AM Exactly...as Alice says!!! 'Almost' all of the practice is done with the goal of reducing or eliminating pleasure in women, in hopes of ensuring fidelity. Sexual pleasure seems, in some cultures, to be restricted to men only. I flatly do not understand in ANY culture which professes belief in a God, how they can justify mutilating what God has given them.....but as we see, there's a lot of pain & sadness in this world 'justified' by humans 'interpreting' what God wishes to suit their own desires. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Alice Date: 05 Aug 07 - 11:26 AM Female circumcision is not done with the best of intentions. It is done with the intent to control women, when really it results in mutilation and many health problems such as hemorrhage, infection, urinary problems and septicaemia. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Emma B Date: 05 Aug 07 - 11:26 AM Is there anyone who can demonstrate "good intentions" here? female genital mutilation |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Emma B Date: 05 Aug 07 - 11:22 AM some discussion on the studies here |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Riginslinger Date: 05 Aug 07 - 11:17 AM Okay, but is there any truth to the news stories that have been circulating in the last week or so to indicate that circumcision can be used as a tool to stop the spread of HIV AIDS? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 05 Aug 07 - 11:03 AM I'm sure "female circumcision" is accompanied by the best of intenntions. That's not the point. Fortunately the forms of infant male circumcision carried out in most places are relatively benign, though I wouldn't fancy them for myself, or for any child I had responsibility for. There are some versions in some cultures that are pretty savage, more typically when they are carried out as part of a transition to adulthood. I'm just grateful my tradition substituted the ritual of pouring a few drops of water on the head of the baby instead. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: GUEST,ibo Date: 05 Aug 07 - 09:13 AM theres no end to the problem |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Georgiansilver Date: 05 Aug 07 - 03:56 AM Circumcision...A means to an end....or is it and end to a means ..........or is it just and end to an end? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: GUEST,Joeknowswatch Date: 05 Aug 07 - 02:50 AM .. oh and another final before I drag myself to bed and now I come to think of it BTW Joe.. "I know your IP" kinda intimidation tactics are surely a bit below your privileged power position here at mudchat..?? innit !!!??? ..well.. time to pull the hood over my head and go to sleep.. godnight..................zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Little Hawk Date: 04 Aug 07 - 11:37 PM All these silly things are done with the best of intentions. My tonsils were removed at an early age with the best of intentions. I've been missing them ever since. There were a bunch of dentists who wanted to relieve me of my wisdom teeth too, with the best of intentions, I'm sure...but they didn't, because I was old enough to say "no". And I still have them at age 58, and they've been no trouble at all to me. Some poor dentist lost several hundred or maybe 1,000 bucks on the basis of that decision of mine to leave well enough alone. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: GUEST,poncewatch Date: 04 Aug 07 - 11:29 PM if I don't die before I wake I pray the Lord no bad boogiemen with scissors will pop out from under the bed and my foreskin do take.. amen and goodnight |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Riginslinger Date: 04 Aug 07 - 11:22 PM "If you happen to have some evidence to show that male circumcision has been practiced in the western world with malicious intent," In most cases, I think most people would agree that it has been done with the best of intentions. They might have been wrong, but the jury is still out, I think most people would agree. A lot of it depends on where the child is born, but... Many of us might be curious, though, about "female circumcision." The western world seems to consider it to be barbaric in nature, but in some parts of the world, it seems to be conducted with the best of intentions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Little Hawk Date: 04 Aug 07 - 11:16 PM Oh, dear...! (chuckling to myself) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: GUEST,poncewatch Date: 04 Aug 07 - 11:15 PM btw.. I just googled 'malicious circumcision' and picking one out at random.. cant even be botherd reading it to see if its pro or anti.. http://www.fisheaters.com/circumcision.html just bemused to see what level of rationalising madness is accepted by society when discussing pure simple infant mutilation. and another btw.. mines intact.. my parents were not religious, and in Europe.. us blokes are allowed to avoid the cruel chop and keep ours by default.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Bill D Date: 04 Aug 07 - 11:04 PM A woman from the Midwest was visiting New York City for the first time. She was curious about Judaism (there being no Jews in the small town she called home) so she took a walk through a Jewish part of the city. Well, while she was there she noticed that her watch had broken. She looked around for a place to get it repaired. All of the signs were in Yiddish, but then she saw a store with a bunch of clocks and watches in the window, so she went in. She said to the distinguished old man behind the counter, "Could you fix my watch for me, please?" The man said "I don't fix watches. I'm a moile; I perform circumcisions." The lady said, "Then why do you have all of those clocks and watches in your store window?" The moile said, "So? what should I have in my window, then?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: GUEST,poncewatch Date: 04 Aug 07 - 10:58 PM well.. fair enough.. as long as you you don't let it get under your skin..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Joe Offer Date: 04 Aug 07 - 10:56 PM Yeah, "poncewatch," I suppose you're right. I dislike politically correct bigots even more than I dislike the traditional kind - perhaps because I think they've betrayed the sense of fairness and tolerance that liberals ought to have. If you happen to have some evidence to show that male circumcision has been practiced in the western world with malicious intent, then perhaps it might be worth listening to you. Otherwise, my guess is that you're just a damn troll. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: GUEST,old "poncewatch" Date: 04 Aug 07 - 10:42 PM hmmm... something touched a raw nerve end.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Little Hawk Date: 04 Aug 07 - 10:05 PM I wouldn't think so. I don't hate my parents for having done so. If I had a male child, and was faced with the question of what to do about that, it would be a tough one to answer. On the one hand, I don't see any real reason to have it done. On the other hand, in a society where most males customarily are circumsized, it could perhaps become a source of embarrassment for the boy at a later date. A bit of a puzzle for a parent... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Joe Offer Date: 04 Aug 07 - 09:58 PM Well, my ex and I followed the doctors' advice and had our boys circumcised when they were born in the 1970s. Would we do it now? Probably not. I don't think my sons hate us for having them circumcised. At least, I hope not. By the way, it should be noted that the most bigoted comments come from "poncewatch," who has never posted under that name and IP before. Makes a person think that old "poncewatch" may be trolling, hey? -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Little Hawk Date: 04 Aug 07 - 09:50 PM "This is yet another sterling example of the self-righteous bigotry that seems to be so fashionable these days. It sure seems that liberals can be every bit as bigoted as conservatives." Oh, you are so right, Joe. ;-) There's an epidemic of self-righteous bigotry of the very kind you describe. People are always looking around for something they can huff and puff about and express indignation about on behalf of a suffering humanity, and I enjoy pointing it out (the self-righteous bigotry) now and then too...although I do have a somewhat negative opinion of the practice of circumcision...if asked for one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Joe Offer Date: 04 Aug 07 - 09:27 PM You know, there has been a serious belief among many medical professionals that circumcision has a number of health benefits. That belief may be incorrect, but I have seen no evidence of any malice on the part of anyone who performs circumcision. Therefore, I question the good will of those who condemn people who perform circumcision as if they were monsters or something. Circumcison may or may not be unhealthful, but I think we're prejudiced if we automatically consider it to be malicious. This is yet another sterling example of the self-righteous bigotry that seems to be so fashionable these days. It sure seems that liberals can be every bit as bigoted as conservatives. Maybe it's time for moderation and tolerance. -Joe Offer, who was circumcised at birth and doesn't hate my parents or my doctor because of it- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Riginslinger Date: 04 Aug 07 - 09:18 PM The authorities are now telling us that circumcision can lower the HIV rate it Africa. Believe it or Not! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: GUEST,poncewatch Date: 04 Aug 07 - 09:11 PM ..and under the convenient sanctified pretext of health & hygene and religion............................ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: GUEST,poncewatch Date: 04 Aug 07 - 09:08 PM ..any excuse for some grown men to touch little boys peepees........ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 04 Aug 07 - 07:01 PM There used to be a fashion for routinely removing children's tonsils. Fortunately that never became part of any religious tradition, so the practice just stopped being fashionable, and faded away. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Sorcha Date: 04 Aug 07 - 01:04 AM Hey, it wasn't me. I asked for Close it Please.
If the thread continues on its vitriolic path, contact me by personal message and tell me which particular posts are objectionable, and why. Thanks. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Little Hawk Date: 04 Aug 07 - 01:02 AM "that ain't gonna happen because the dumb fuck enjoys discord" Yeah, it's the cheapest form of entertainment... Hey, Peace? Listen up, bro! Don't disunderempower me by misunderestimating me when I guesstimate, because at the end of the day I always give it 110 per cent, know what I mean? Can we run that one up the flagpole and see if anyone salutes? Do you capiche? Now I have to go spend some quality time with my significant other. Chill, brother. It's all good. (evil grin...) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Peace Date: 04 Aug 07 - 12:36 AM For my buddy, John: Check the 11:13 PM post by Little Hawk. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Peace Date: 04 Aug 07 - 12:33 AM I'll check with Dick and get back to you on that. (That's for my ol' bud, Greg. Cue cameras.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: John on the Sunset Coast Date: 04 Aug 07 - 12:17 AM Hey Peace, if you misunderestimate something are you really overestimating it? LOL ;) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Greg B Date: 04 Aug 07 - 12:06 AM "The first cut is the deepest, Baby I know — The first cut is the deepest..." (And I *do* know, for those of you who're curious) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Peace Date: 03 Aug 07 - 11:54 PM LOL Good one Greg. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Greg B Date: 03 Aug 07 - 11:51 PM Heh heh. Peace said 'member.' Heh heh. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Peace Date: 03 Aug 07 - 11:27 PM Listen up, Little Hawk, don't misunderestimate the poewr of a member posting as a guest to renew this here thread and start all kinds of shit. I'm waiting for the self-named guest to give permission on this thread for Joe to declare that he or she is 1) really a guest Dunno. -Joe- 2) really a member Dunno - but certainly not a "regular." "Just a troll" is probably the best description. -Joe- But that ain't gonna happen because the dumb fuck enjoys discord. These types of Guest things are the reason Guests should not be allowed to post to BS. Here we fuckin' go again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Little Hawk Date: 03 Aug 07 - 11:22 PM Who has time to read the whole fuckin' thread (again)??? Will I be better off if I do? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Peace Date: 03 Aug 07 - 11:10 PM Next, the usuals come into the thread to say which they prefer as though anyone really gives a shit about which they prefer. Read the fuckin' thread. It's all been said before. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Little Hawk Date: 03 Aug 07 - 11:03 PM Frued was crackers as far as I'm concerned. The man had serious problems. He should have had his head examined. ;-D The only people who experience penis envy, as far as I've ever seen, are men! They tend to worry that some other man is more gifted than themselves. Most women just aren't stupid enough to worry about something as dang silly as that...! And did it never occur to Freud that men might envy women their sexual abilites when it comes to things like multiple orgasms? Like I say, he must have been crackers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Sorcha Date: 03 Aug 07 - 11:02 PM Oh dear gods and goddesses. Close please? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Peace Date: 03 Aug 07 - 11:02 PM Collect them. When you have about a hundred or so, get a leather smith to make a wallet for you. A wallet you say? Yes, a wallet. But a special wallet. Rub it and it turns into a suitcase. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: GUEST,Mr Insecure Date: 03 Aug 07 - 10:59 PM can it be cut off and grafted under the tip of the helmet to give a bloke an extra milimetre or two..??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Ebbie Date: 03 Aug 07 - 10:57 PM What in the world!? A doglegged penis or a botched 7%!? What? A normal circumcision - and I don't believe for a moment that botched circumcisions amount to 7% - does not involve 'meat'. It takes off only the sheath that can be pulled forward over the organ. Freud had it SO wrong- I don't know any woman who has ever had 'penis envy'; observing most men's reactions to any perceived danger in the area my guess is that not one woman in a hundred would trade with any man. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Little Hawk Date: 03 Aug 07 - 10:40 PM OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That was a con. Doctors do it to helpless babies, but you notice that they don't let anyone else do something similar to them... Nor do vets like it one bit when an animal snips their balls off! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Becca72 Date: 03 Aug 07 - 06:54 PM "I saw a foreskin this evening" LOL Was it at the pub? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Bill D Date: 03 Aug 07 - 06:49 PM don't you wonder how folks stumble into these threads? "Here I am in folk music forum....I think I'll search and see if they debate circumcision." Maybe 'Pete' just wanted to be one lonely voice in the tide of those opposed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Peace Date: 03 Aug 07 - 05:50 PM So now we get the same shit all over again? "Here I sit so patiently Waiting to find out what price You have to pay to get out of Going through all these things twice." Gospel of Bob. |
