BS: Gettysburg Address

Subject: RE: BS: Gettysburg Address
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 12:46 PM

Well, Ron, at the outbreak of the War there had allready begun a vigorous abolitionist movement both in the North as well as the South... The attitudes towar slavery werew slowly but surely evolving and like everything else, things do take time... Given the bitterness after the War, especially by Southerners, after 1776 when the Union troops ended their occupation of the South, blacks suffered from a 8 decades of Jim Crow terrorism.

There are areas in the South even today where there is so much bottled up hatred of "Yankees" by white folks that they tend to continue to harass and hurt their black neighbors...

Now it is not a a better skilled Lincoln could have headed off the War and put used [political pressure to facilitate an atmosphere where more folks in the South would at least give some second thoughts to the slavery issue...

And also consider this, Ron. The South lost a good portion of their "educated" male population ihn the War and it was these people who would have been the folks in the best position to effect cultural and attitudinal changes...

This war should never have happened...

Peace

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Gettysburg Address
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 12:08 PM

the stinking rich have always been a repulsive lot. that's a bit of an irrelevancy.

Subject: RE: BS: Gettysburg Address
From: Ron Davies
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 10:18 AM

Fascism is a little strong. And the thread has to do with the Gettysburg Address. I'm still waiting for an answer--from anybody--on how Lincoln was to solve the curse of the birth of the US --slavery--without the Civil War.

Subject: RE: BS: Gettysburg Address
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 10:13 AM

We do not fail to see that. We can however see a re birth of fascism by people with immeasurable wealth.

Subject: RE: BS: Gettysburg Address
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 09:50 AM

The USA was the dream that the civil war was fought over. A nation devoted to the principle of freedom.

Its the sacrifice of the civil war dead which gave us the nation which freed men and women from Belsen to the Gulag. It has resisted German, Soviet and now Islamic extremist imperialism.

Two smaller weaker countries would not have had that moral clout.

I am English and can see that we were lucky to have such a nation as our ally in ww2.

As an American, how can you fail to see that?

Subject: RE: BS: Gettysburg Address
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 09:21 AM

Lets compare and contrast for a moment...

http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/bushlincoln1.jpg

Subject: RE: BS: Gettysburg Address
From: Ron Davies
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 08:36 AM

Bobert--

How would you have resolved the issue without a war? Let the South (with slavery) go its own way?

Subject: RE: BS: Gettysburg Address
From: Charlie Baum
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 12:36 AM

The Gettysburg address is an amazing text. It's very short, but manages to pack a lot into its few words. In saying that the land of the cemetery is consecrated by the blood of the soliders who died and not by later speeches of politicans and other dedicators, it stands as a document against spin doctoring, anda paean to the triumph of real actions and facts over mere rhetoric.

Subject: RE: BS: Gettysburg Address
From: Kaleea
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 12:24 AM

Golly, imagine having a President who can not only read, write & spell well, but also pronounce the words correctly.

That Gettysburg speech was a very important one in US history.

Subject: RE: BS: Gettysburg Address
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 12:16 AM

Hi, Bobert. Trying to kick a little life into a dull thread?
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Subject: RE: BS: Gettysburg Address
From: number 6
Date: 19 Nov 05 - 11:34 PM

ditto

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Gettysburg Address
From: Peace
Date: 19 Nov 05 - 11:32 PM

The man had a way with words.

Subject: RE: BS: Gettysburg Address
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Nov 05 - 11:29 PM

Screw Lincoln!!!

Next the current one he was prolly the worst president we ever had...

No, make that worst, Bush II included...

Lincoln pushed the South into a war that neither side needed to fight...


He pitted brothyer agasinst brother...

This war weren't about slavery... that's just revisionism... Heck, there were slaves during the War for Southern Independence being kept in Lincoln's Washinton, D.C.!!!! Like what was that all about???

Would have been better to have two countries....

I mean, just look at Anietum.... Some 30,000 dead in one day!!! And over what???

Yeah, better to have two countries....

Plus lets look at the supposed "reconstruction" and the some 70 years of Jim Crow afterwards!!!! Terrorism aginst black folks....

This weren't 'bout nuthin but politics...

yeah, Lincoln is no hero... He was a jerk of jerks....

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Gettysburg Address
From: Peace
Date: 19 Nov 05 - 04:20 PM

The man had a way with words.

Subject: RE: BS: Gettysburg Address
From: GUEST,zippy
Date: 19 Nov 05 - 04:15 PM

That, like most wars, was a war of convenience...

Subject: RE: BS: Gettysburg Address
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Nov 05 - 03:35 PM

Lincoln, in his first term in Congress, opposed the Mexican War, and disputed President Polk's word that the Mexicans had fired the first shot.

Not a parallel, of course, but it made me think of the argument over WMD and the Iraq war.

Subject: RE: BS: Gettysburg Address
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Nov 05 - 03:00 PM

Oh, you mean like GWB? *G* I'd like - or not - to read a speech that dubya wrote by himself.

Subject: RE: BS: Gettysburg Address
From: robomatic
Date: 19 Nov 05 - 02:59 PM

This just came up in the thread about who wrote Shakespeare's works. I posted the Gettysburg address as an example of someone without much by way of a formal education.

Subject: RE: BS: Gettysburg Address
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Nov 05 - 02:56 PM

Obviously, remembrance of the many who died on both sides of a terrible conflict that shaped the future of the United States.

Subject: RE: BS: Gettysburg Address
From: kendall
Date: 19 Nov 05 - 02:56 PM

He did NOT write it on the back of an envelope.

Subject: RE: BS: Gettysburg Address
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 19 Nov 05 - 02:51 PM

And your point is?

Subject: BS: Gettysburg Address
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Nov 05 - 02:50 PM

On November 19, 1863, Lincoln delivered the address at the dedication of the national cemetery at the site of the battle at Gettysburg.