BS: Rorty Solstice

Subject: BS: Rorty Solstice
From: GUEST,Bert
Date: 21 Dec 05 - 03:12 PM

To you and yours.

Subject: RE: BS: Rorty Solstice
From: mack/misophist
Date: 21 Dec 05 - 05:56 PM

Rorty?

Subject: RE: BS: Rorty Solstice
From: Amos
Date: 21 Dec 05 - 06:45 PM

Same to you, Bert, old china, and thanks for th' liberal use of your credit card and your steam-boat!!

A

Subject: RE: BS: Rorty Solstice
From: CapriUni
Date: 21 Dec 05 - 07:51 PM

That's what I was wondering, mack/masophist

Subject: RE: BS: Rorty Solstice
From: gnu
Date: 21 Dec 05 - 08:35 PM

Back at ya.... rev it up til she's red bye!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Rorty Solstice
From: bobad
Date: 21 Dec 05 - 09:12 PM

Uh, thanks I guess. Is a Rorty Solstice a good or bad thing ?

Subject: RE: BS: Rorty Solstice
From: wysiwyg
Date: 21 Dec 05 - 09:37 PM

Rorty..... it's--- boisterous and joyous and kinda earthy.... thick, rich, textured maroons and deep, fragrant, fertile greens..... not controlled but goes where it will.

Right, Bert?

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Rorty Solstice
From: Gurney
Date: 21 Dec 05 - 09:52 PM

Heavens, Susan, sounds like an after-match function.

Happy Birthday to my wife, Judy.
LONGEST day here in NZ.

Subject: RE: BS: Rorty Solstice
From: CapriUni
Date: 21 Dec 05 - 10:38 PM

Yes. That's the miracle: Where it's the start of summer in one place, it's the start of winter in another.

So: Glad Yule, Merry Midsummer (both of which are solstices) and a very happy Birthday!

Subject: RE: BS: Rorty Solstice
From: Paul Burke
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 03:53 AM

A rorty- torty slipdisk to you all. And a happy midsummer and Yule to all antipodeans too.

What do you do for the middle of winter? Time to start celebrating Ozmas, perhaps?

Subject: RE: BS: Rorty Solstice
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 04:33 AM

G'day Gurney,

Actually, your longest day is today, 22/12/2005. The solstice is 21-12-2005 18:30 UT ... and that's + 15 hours for New Zealand: 09.30 (9.30 AM, Thursday 22 December) in your time zone.

Regards,

Bob

Subject: RE: BS: Rorty Solstice
From: MBSLynne
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 06:22 AM

So where does rorty come from? Never heard of it before. Meanwhile...Happy Yule everyone!!

Love Lynne

Subject: RE: BS: Rorty Solstice
From: Dave Earl
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 06:33 AM

I've not come across it before either Lynne.

If I had to guess, I would say it may be of Romany origin.

Happy Chrismas, Yule or whatever.

Dave

Subject: RE: BS: Rorty Solstice
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 07:44 AM

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So there!
G.

Subject: RE: BS: Rorty Solstice
From: bobad
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 08:14 AM

Have a Cool Yule you all.

Subject: RE: BS: Rorty Solstice
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 09:32 AM

Richard Rorty, the philosopher?

Subject: RE: BS: Rorty Solstice
From: Snuffy
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 10:03 AM

Boney was a general,
Way hey yah
A rorty snorty general
John Franswah

Subject: RE: BS: Rorty Solstice
From: GUEST,Bert
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 02:57 PM

Rorty, Saxon word usually translated as merry but Susan is much closer to the real meaning.

Subject: RE: BS: Rorty Solstice
From: wysiwyg
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 03:19 PM

[smooching sounds]

That's my Bert!

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Rorty Solstice
From: Gurney
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 11:17 PM

Bob Bolton, I forgot that it would go on in Mudcat time. I actually posted in NZ time, 22 Dec. I was correct, but only from where I stand/slump/stagger.

Subject: RE: BS: Rorty Solstice
From: CapriUni
Date: 22 Dec 05 - 11:35 PM

Bert: Rorty, Saxon word usually translated as merry but Susan is much closer to the real meaning.

Yay!! I'll have to mark this down on my word-watcher's Life List for rare and endangered words.

Gurney: I was correct, but only from where I stand/slump/stagger.

That's the only vantage point that matters.

Subject: RE: BS: Rorty Solstice
From: MBSLynne
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 05:52 AM

Ok...here's to the revival of "Rorty". I shall use it whenever possible!

Love Lynne

Subject: RE: BS: Rorty Solstice
From: CapriUni
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 10:34 AM

Yup! Let's bring it back from the brink of extinction!

I'm already evisioning next year's greeting cards with the message: "Have a Rorty Yule" (or "Christmas", depending on who I'm sending it to). Maybe something with partying star men (elves) on the front...

I wonder if this shares a common root with "roar"... probably not.

Subject: RE: BS: Rorty Solstice
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 01:38 PM

I did a search in two pretty good thesauri, and found no 'rorty'. Them Saxons were a bit obscure...

Subject: RE: BS: Rorty Solstice
From: CapriUni
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 02:07 PM

That's what comes from being dead, I suppose.... Where did you find the word, Bert?

Subject: RE: BS: Rorty Solstice
From: Bert
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 04:56 PM

I first saw it as the name of a pub in Kent called The Rorty Crankle which they translated as The Happy Corner.

It also appears in folk songs as Snuffy noted above. I've seen much the same verse about Santiana.

It's kinda happy and merry with boistrous bawdy connotations. But still Susan said it best.

Subject: RE: BS: Rorty Solstice
From: wysiwyg
Date: 23 Dec 05 - 06:52 PM

And fragrant-- I can almost smell the odor myself, but it defies description. Attracting... not quite yummy, but powerfully attracting. Redolent. Possibly with butter and nutmeg and green things; with pepper for sure. You'll know it when you encounter it and exclaim, "Rorty!"

Bert, we can go into business-- perfume and cologne for men and women, "Eau du Rorte'e."

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Rorty Solstice
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 24 Dec 05 - 12:42 AM

G'day All,

Well, if you search for "rorty" in the DT, you should get Woolloomooloo Lair, a 'Sydney Larrikins' song with the chorus:

          Oh my name it is McCarty & I'm a rorty party
          I'm rough & tough as an old man kangaroo
          Some people say I'm crazy, I don't work because I'm lazy
          And I tag along in the boozing throng, the Push from Woolloomooloo.

Lots of late-18th and 19th century British Isles slang hung on in Australia ... as would be expected in any ex-colonial country founded ("invaded" ... ) in those years.

We also have "rort, noun or verb: Any act of fraud or sharp practice; "a lurk" and, in that sense, it survives in the legal world to describe any (just-)legal manoeuvre or avoidance.

Regards,

Bob

Subject: RE: BS: Rorty Solstice
From: Snuffy
Date: 24 Dec 05 - 07:32 PM

My Shorter Oxford Dictionary gives:
rorty, a. slang. Also raughty. 1864. [Of unkn. origin.] Fine, splendid, jolly.

So no visible connection to the Saxons there

Subject: RE: BS: Rorty Solstice
From: CapriUni
Date: 24 Dec 05 - 09:24 PM

So, do you think there is connection between "rorty" and "Rattlin'?" As in "Rattlin' Bog?"

Subject: RE: BS: Rorty Solstice
From: Bert
Date: 27 Dec 05 - 04:26 PM

Well Snuffy, I didn't get it from a dictionary. The owner of the pub told me it was Saxon. Perhaps he was stretching it a bit for publicity reasons.

Subject: RE: BS: Rorty Solstice
From: CapriUni
Date: 28 Dec 05 - 12:10 AM

And anyway, it's still a rare and endangered word that deserves to be brought back from the brink of extinction (as does the idea that Solstice/Yule/Christmas is 12 days long).

And that form of the word may date to 1864 (in print), but like most words, it's probably derived from some older word.

But yeah, publicity is a likely suspect, too...