BS: The Costs of War in Iraq

Subject: BS: The Costs of War in Iraq
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Jan 06 - 10:07 PM

War is an almost incalcuable tragedy, on many different levels. Lack of foresight contributes immeasureably.

It strikes me that the Japanese tradition of falling on one's sword has much to recommend it.

"Before the invasion, then-White House budget director Mitch Daniels predicted Iraq would be "an affordable endeavor" and rejected an estimate by then-White House economic adviser Lawrence Lindsey of total Iraq war costs at $100 billion to $200 billion as "very, very high."

Up - and Rising

Subject: RE: BS: The Costs of War in Iraq
From: Peace
Date: 09 Jan 06 - 10:11 PM

That cost likely gets higher when Halliburton and the mob get factored in. However, what's a few Trillion bucks, huh? That's just a bit under $6000 for every man, woman and child in the USA.

Subject: RE: BS: The Costs of War in Iraq
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Jan 06 - 10:17 PM

Freedom ain't cheap!!!

There, I took that away from the usual cast of brownshirts here in Mudville...

Sorry, boys, yer gonna have to get a little quicker...

But realy, this war is not only gonna cost our kids and their kids a bunch.... You know, buy a war now, pay later... Way later....

But its also gonna do what Vietnam did in keeping folks seperated and feuding with each other while Boss Hog rifles thru their pockets...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: The Costs of War in Iraq
From: Amos
Date: 09 Jan 06 - 10:24 PM

BOSTON (Reuters) - The cost of the Iraq war could top $2 trillion, far above the White House's pre-war projections, when long-term costs such as lifetime health care for thousands of wounded U.S. soldiers are included, a study said on Monday.


Columbia University economist Joseph E. Stiglitz and Harvard lecturer Linda Bilmes included in their study disability payments for the 16,000 wounded U.S. soldiers, about 20 percent of whom suffer serious brain or spinal injuries.

They said U.S. taxpayers will be burdened with costs that linger long after U.S. troops withdraw.

From Ebbie's link above.

This doesn't even begin to count the cost of the emotional ruination brought about in tthe families of lost and wounded men, on both sides of the line. The reduction in sanity, the expiration of hope, the multiplication of pain in the minds and souls and lives of all who are touched by the madness of it... the cost is incalculable if you try to assessess these secondary and tertiary rings of affect.

Broken hearts do not produce well. Shattered minds ruin the well-being of those they touch.

George had no fucking clue what he was doing, the airhead.

A

Subject: RE: BS: The Costs of War in Iraq
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jan 06 - 10:29 PM

official torture, jailed without counsel, countless dead and maimed, Depleted Uranium to poison and mutate for a thousand years...

are just peanuts...

Both pictures are unaltered.

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Subject: RE: BS: The Costs of War in Iraq
From: Amos
Date: 09 Jan 06 - 10:41 PM

The parallels to the Jungbunde are kinda unsettling, I concur... the pictures are amazingly similar! And, so are the Codes.


A

Subject: RE: BS: The Costs of War in Iraq
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Jan 06 - 10:45 PM

No child in kindergarden left unrecruited....

Subject: RE: BS: The Costs of War in Iraq
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Jan 06 - 05:04 PM

It is to weep.

Subject: RE: BS: The Costs of War in Iraq
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Jan 06 - 06:29 PM

Costs?

A decent program of health care for all U.S. citizens would be considerably cheaper.

So would a national living wage.

Its a matter of priorities- & the BuShites just don't give a fuck.

Subject: RE: BS: The Costs of War in Iraq
From: Barry Finn
Date: 10 Jan 06 - 07:03 PM

Who's paying, who's behind them paying & whose behind them the US Swift Boat Builders? Whose authorizing this & whose authorizing them & whose authorizing the use of the name & outfits? Who's covering the cost of office &/or field space in 46 states, the District of Columbia, and Germany, Japan and affiliates in a host of other countries? Who's on the board & whose flying them to world wide meetings? Is every cost being piggy-backed under military budget? Does the young military & ass.es fly free? The marines don't do bake sales, beneath them & bad for a youngster's bad boy marine image. Whose gonna stop them from abusing the Boy Scouts? Where's the SS when we need them? OH SHIT!
Barry

Subject: RE: BS: The Costs of War in Iraq
From: MickyMan
Date: 10 Jan 06 - 10:01 PM

I heard an interesting story on NPR during the last few days about this very subject ... just the $$$ costs, but they were staggering. Whoever was doing the research included current costs, interest on government loans, costs of longterm care of the wounded, rising oil costs, ... etc. and came to the unbelievable conclusion that over a trillion $$$ have been or will be spent as a direct result of the war, and that was just in the USA. I can only say that their research methods sounded credible to me in that short feature. There's a very good chance that the financial future of the next generation could be seriously comprimised by a mistaken reaction to "falty intelligence". Scary, huh?
Maybe somebody knows how to find a link to this data through the Morning Edition NPR site. That's beyond my technical abilities.