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Subject: BS: National Animal Identification System From: LilyFestre Date: 25 Mar 06 - 04:24 PM I am wondering how many of you are aware of the U.S. governments push towards a National Animal Identifcation System (NAIS)? Are you aware that all small farmers (read as anyone but large cooperate farms) will be required to have all their livestock implanted with microchips (cows, horses, chickens, ducks, pigs, turkeys, sheep, trout and so on...excluding only dogs and cats) at their own expense? This includes hobby farmers, families with rabbits or ponies for their children...all of it...no matter if you own one chicken or 200 sows. Not only that but the microchips will be connected to a GPS system so movement can be monitored...whether it be an escaped pig, a horse entered into a local parade to pull a buggy or transported cross country...it all has to be reported. Failure to have each animal registered carries a fine....$500.00 PER ANIMAL! Not reporting movement of livestock is also a fineable offense. Let's go beyond nuts, which this TOTALLY IS and enter into the ridiculous....you even have to register the manure!!~!!! You know, I could understand SOME of this in relation to mass marketing of livestock for consumption of the general population...but the huge farm corporate farms only have to register their facility, not each animal!!!!! I have lots more information on this, but I am wondering how many here have any kind of awareness of the NAIS? If everything goes smoothly (read no public outcry), things are to be put into effect very soon. "July 2006, that's when the national Animal Identification System is slated to slip past us all and begin to become the most destructive and misguided farm regulation in the entire history of farming." HOLY CHICKEN SHIT BATMAN...oh wait...that would have to be registered too!~!!!! Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: National Animal Identification System From: JohnInKansas Date: 25 Mar 06 - 04:35 PM Michelle - Source please? John |
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Subject: RE: BS: National Animal Identification System From: LilyFestre Date: 25 Mar 06 - 04:45 PM This is what the government has to say about it. Check out any small farming magazine to find out what small farmers have to say. The Small Farmer's Journal has extensive articles in the current issue. Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: National Animal Identification System From: LilyFestre Date: 25 Mar 06 - 04:47 PM Hmm...the links didn't work....so...check out: Small Farmer's Journal, PDF of the current editorial http://www.smallfarmersjournal.com/images/NAIS_editorial_Lynn_Miller.pdf And then there's the government site/explanation: http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/index.shtml Interesting spin....scary reading, truly. Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: National Animal Identification System From: LilyFestre Date: 25 Mar 06 - 04:53 PM I should add the only the large livestock will have to have the microchips but all others (fish included) will EACH have to be tagged. If you own horses, you will have to give a 24 hour advance notice that you plan to ride off your property. CRAZY CRAZY CRAZY!!!! Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: National Animal Identification System From: John O'L Date: 25 Mar 06 - 05:09 PM Small Farmers' Journal Article Department of Agriculture's spin |
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Subject: RE: BS: National Animal Identification System From: Bert Date: 25 Mar 06 - 05:16 PM Will Dubya have to have one? |
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Subject: RE: BS: National Animal Identification System From: Rapparee Date: 25 Mar 06 - 05:34 PM Info here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: National Animal Identification System From: artbrooks Date: 25 Mar 06 - 06:00 PM From the D.Ag. link: Although the draft strategic plan references mandatory requirements in 2008 and beyond, to date no actions have been initiated by USDA to develop regulations to require participation in NAIS. (my underlining) Sounds like a voluntary program to me, at least for a while anyway. I can't find "effective in July 2006" anywhere. |
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Subject: RE: BS: National Animal Identification System From: JohnInKansas Date: 25 Mar 06 - 06:10 PM Animal and Plant Inspection Service March 3, 2006, USDA-APHIS announces the implementation of the animal identification number (AIN) as the next phase of the voluntary National Animal Identification System (NAIS). APHIS is the Animal and Plant Health Information Service, which is a division of the US Department of Agriculture. Aphis Veterinary Services March 3, 2006 USDA Releases Guidelines for the Manufacture and Distribution of Official Identification Devices Under NAIS AnimalIdentTags_sa_vs_nais3-3-06.pdf The above document, Marc 3, 2006, appears to be the most recent action by the NAIS. It specifies only ear tags for cattle, which have been in use for many years for all cattle intended for food. Reference Documents at: Reference Documents provides links to three separate documents giving details of the current status of the plan. Draft Strategic Plan: NAIS_Draft_Strategic_Plan_42505.pdf Draft Program Standards: NAIS_Draft_Program_Standards_42505.pdf Technical Supplement: NAIS_Technical_Supplement_072605.pdf At the Reference Documents: http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/about/reference_docs.shtml [quote] Although the draft strategic plan references mandatory requirements in 2008 and beyond, to date no actions have been initiated by USDA to develop regulations to require participation in NAIS. APHIS will publish updates to the implementation plan as recommendations are received and evaluated by the NAIS Subcommittee and the Secretary's Advisory Committee on Foreign Animal and Poultry Diseases. NAIS is currently a voluntary program. To ensure the participation requirements of NAIS not only provide the results necessary to maintain the health of the national herd but also is a program that is practical for producers and all others involved in production, USDA has adopted a phased-in approach to implementation. The immediate priority is premises registration. Animal identification is slated for implementation in early 2006 with official tags becoming available for cattle. The interim phase of the integration of private and state databases will be initiated by April of this year. [endquote] Since this program has been ongoing for quite a few years (note that the Draft Strategic Plan was released 6 years ago) no one in the agricultural food production business should be surprised at it, or be unaware of its current status. The only "tracking" involved is that the tracking database must me notified of any movement, transfer, or other change in location, ownership, or other disposition of all registered animals included within the program. The only "remote tracking" capability I see is that the ear tags placed on individual cattle must be "readable at a distance of at least 30 inches." For animals in a herd, all of whom are from a common source, all of whom are kept together and separate from other herds, a "herd identification" is sufficient. If an individual animal is separated from the herd, the group information is simply entered into a separate record for that animal. There is no requirement now, or that I see any evidence being anticipated, that would require catfish growers (or small chicken growers) to tag individual animals unless they are mixing multi-year crops. If that's a problem for them, they may, I believe, still submit comments to the Strategic Plan to note what accommodation they believe is in the best interests of the food animal producing industry. Since the purpose of tracking (by pencil and paper, largely) is to be able to identify where a specific individual animal has been in contact with other like animals, specifically to identify where that animal may have been infected with a tracked infection and/or to identify other animals that animal may have infected, it is remotely possible that animals capable of cross-species infection might be targeted for tracking at some time in the future. At present the technological capability for doing that is less than adequate, especially for small animals. Thus far at least, the only ones affected are those producing animals for commercial processing for human consumption, at least so far as I can see. Anyone in that line of work should be in constant close contact with their local Ag agent and should be well informed on this project. John |
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Subject: RE: BS: National Animal Identification System From: LilyFestre Date: 25 Mar 06 - 09:02 PM Hmmm....well, from what I have read, there are MANY hidden agendas with this program and it WILL BE EFFECTIVE throughout the country in the near future (Jan. 2009). In a mid-western state, Wisconsin I think, people must register the coordinates of their homes/farms NOW by LAW. Animals must be registered as well or suffer a seriously hefty fine which can add up quickly if you have 20+ animals. Yes, I know the site says it is VOLUNTARY and certainly plays it up as being a safety issue...keep reading people. It's a sure fire way to get many small farmers to give it up....all the better for large corporate farms. The local farmer Joe can't afford to have all of his cattle microchipped nor can he afford the fines...what options are left? I have a teeny tiny farm and by no means is it my only source of income (it's not an income producing venture at all), but I fully, 100% support the small farms and the people who work them. Isn't it bad enough that with the way things are going, all people who have gardens will be forced to buy seeds from corporate giants who have altered the genetics of seeds in unimaginable ways, not to mention that you can't buy seeds and expect to save seeds from those plants to use next year....nope...you have to go buy new. There are seed saver groups and heirloom places out there....but they are the little guys.... How many of you are small farmers yourself or have a small group of livestock? Would the NAIS touch your lives? Even if you aren't a farmer or have a few chickens...you can bet it will alter the prices of milk and any veggies you buy at your local farmers market. I could rant on but you will have to do some research on your own...look beyond the government sites and into some ag sites, farming magazines, homesteading magazines....the information is out there. One other thing to consider, take the small farmer who supports his family with a small dairy herd. Chances are, it's been the family business for years. Chances are, they live in a rural community that is already pressed for jobs. If he can no longer support his family due to all the NAIS, where will he find employment? It's just a sad state of affairs and clearly designed to enhance big business. Just keep reading, talk to your local farmers......look past the gloss on the USDA sites... Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: National Animal Identification System From: Stilly River Sage Date: 25 Mar 06 - 10:41 PM My organic gardening guru, Howard Garrett (http://www.dirtdoctor.com) has been talking about this on his radio program for many weeks. He, and the callers who discuss it, are all opposed. I haven't heard a single statement in favor it. This includes the animals that move around in competitions (rodeo, for example) and those used by hundreds of thousands of children around the country in 4-H projects and all of the competition animals. If you don't report movements you're breaking the law, is one major complaint, as I understand it. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: National Animal Identification System From: Ebbie Date: 25 Mar 06 - 10:42 PM I agree that the potential for abuse is there. However this reminds me of nothing so much as some alarmists deciding what those abuses will/could/might be. (Who is Lynn Miller, by the way?) I've read the rationale and game plan of the USDA and the various proposals. I can see what they would like to do, and what they think they can do. The thought that pops into my head is the tremendous paperwork and staffs they would have to have in order to accomplish what they propose, never mind the fears of people like Lynn Miller. (Should take care of our unemployment huh!) Incidentally, the articles say that the period of public input ended in July of 2005. Where was everyone then? "State and federal animal health officials will be able to manage disease surveillance and control programs more effectively and efficiently as animal identification and location records are collected through NAIS. They will also be able to implement electronic intra- and interstate animal movement permitting rapid respond to potential disease outbreaks. "Eventually, the NAIS will allow animal health officials to identify all animals and premises that have had contact with a foreign or domestic animal disease of concern within 48 hours of an initial presumptive-positive diagnosis. As an information system that provides for rapid tracing of infected and exposed animals during an outbreak situation, the NAIS will help limit the scope of such outbreaks and ensure that they are contained as quickly as possible. "The NAIS is designed to encompass the tracking of all animal species that could directly or indirectly impact the animal health status of our nation's food animal system. Currently, species working groups have been established for beef and dairy cattle, bison, camelids, cervids, equine, goats, poultry, sheep and swine." More You are aware of the current micro-chipping of our pets, aren't you? Does that alarm you? Frankly, I am all for it. The place where I draw the line is in the potentiality of chipping human beings, in the guise of providing safety, quick identification and ease of financial transactions. On that one, I would take to the streets even if I were alone, an Army of One, so to speak. |
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Subject: RE: BS: National Animal Identification System From: GUEST,robomatic Date: 26 Mar 06 - 12:33 AM What's wrong with chipping of human beings? Put a real crimp in kidnapping, armed robbery, rape identification, abandoned families, vote tallies, and probably felonious mopery. It would carry enough information for critical health care, and would carry NO financial information. Software would be open source. It would apply to everybody, and it wouldn't be only available to the governement, it would be available to EVERYONE. High time says I |
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Subject: RE: BS: National Animal Identification System From: Ebbie Date: 26 Mar 06 - 12:36 AM Yep. Your argument is succinct, just what they will say. Even though I can see the benefits I do not agree. |
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Subject: RE: BS: National Animal Identification System From: GUEST,robomatic Date: 26 Mar 06 - 12:25 PM automatically open doors, avoid checking in at hospital emergency, pay tolls, you can get one that tells the time, talk to aliens, find your cholesterol level, locate your kids in the gigantomart, CHORUS Fie on goodness, fie Fie fie fie Eight years of kindness to your neighbor Making sure that the meek are treated well Eight years of philanthropic labor Derry down dell Damn, but it's hell Oh, fie on goodness, fie Fie, fie, fie It's been depressing all the way (derry down, derry down) And getting glummer every day (derry down, derry down) KNIGHT 1 Ah, but to burn a little town or slay a dozen men Anything to laugh again ALL Oh, fie on goodness, fie Fie, fie, fie KNIGHT 1 When I think of the rollicking pleasures that earlier filled my life Lolly lo, lolly lo Like the time I beheaded a man who was beating his naked wife ALL Lolly lo, lolly lo KNIGHT 1 I can still hear his widow say Never moving from where she lay "Tell me what can I do, I beg, sir, of you Your kindness to repay" ALL Fie on goodness, fie Fie fie fie KNIGHT 2 Lechery and vice have been arrested KNIGHT 3 Arrested! KNIGHT 2 Not a maiden is evermore in threat Virgins may wander unmolested KNIGHT 4 Unmolested! ALL Lolly lo let Gad, it's a sweat Oh, fie on goodness, fie Fie, fie, fie KNIGHT 5 How we roared and brawled in Scotland Not a law was e'er obeyed And when wooing called in Scotland We'd grab any passing maid Ah, my heart is still in Scotland Where the lasses woo the best On some bonny hill in Scotland Stroking someone's bonny... CHORUS Fie on Scotland, fie Fie on Scotland, fie No one repents for any sin now Every soul is immaculate and trim SOME KNIGHTS Immaculate! CHORUS No one is covered with chagrin now Lolly lo lim Gad, but it's grim Oh, fie on goodness, fie Fie, fie, fie There's not a folly to deplore Derry down, derry down Confession Sunday is a bore Derry down, derry down KNIGHT 1 Ah, but to spend a tortured evening staring at the floor Guilty and alive once more CHORUS Oh, fie on virtue, fie Fie on mercy, fie Fie on justice Fie on goodness Fie, fie, fie, fie, fie |
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Subject: RE: BS: National Animal Identification System From: Ebbie Date: 26 Mar 06 - 02:12 PM "And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six." Revelation 13:16-18 I grew up in a fundamentalist household. As I grew older I reasoned myself out of many of the beliefs and unsupported suppositions I had been taught or had imbibed with mothers milk. However, habits and ways of thinking die hard. This idea of the "mark" is one of those I have not gotten past. I don't pretend to understand this verse but the image of the mark is unsettling, to say the least. The reasons: #1: In those days, centuries past, they had no concept of a micro chip. How then did the writer come up with this image? #2: I can see the utility of having such a mark- but I can also see the tremendous abuses it could give birth to. #3: Little by litte and occasionally by leaps as the world's population increases it is inevitable, I think, that we will lose bits and pieces of liberty even under the most benign of governments. Long gone or not, I don't want to help that day arrive. |
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Subject: RE: BS: National Animal Identification System From: GUEST Date: 26 Mar 06 - 03:02 PM Small farmer here, my cat has had a chip implanted for several years and it does not seen to disturb her sleeping habits what so ever. Has run away one time, think it was a coyote that got after her, and was returned home due to the chip. Secondly, the chip system will probably be cheaper in the long run than the current ID devices being used. They get knocked off very easily, even the ear tags which many deem as inhumane treatment. I don't know who this writer is and I can not believe why that publication would print that piece of alarmist garbage to begin with, let alone repeat it. I don't consider it the number one publication and do not subscribe to it. I think LilyFestre is acting like the writer and yelling fire in the theatre. How she can see all the hidden agendas is beyond me other than fabrication in the mind. First of all, there are many, many more small farms in the US than 40 years ago, a USDA fact. Secondly, the main purpose of this identification project is to eventually protect the health of the citizens. Mad Cow disease, anyone? No, I didn't think so. |
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Subject: RE: BS: National Animal Identification System From: GUEST Date: 26 Mar 06 - 03:07 PM ...............and on that thought, you walking back to a store to retrieve your forgotten purse when you are struck by a speeding car. IF you too had a chip, then a simple pass with the wand by the EMT would tell him/her your health history, medications being taken and any allergies to meds. The same would work for children on their way to school. Think about it............... |
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Subject: RE: BS: National Animal Identification System From: JohnInKansas Date: 26 Mar 06 - 04:29 PM As described in the USDA postings on this project, for cattle at least the currently common "ear tag" will be used, but with a specified format for information. Optionally a microchip may be included in the tag. This is generically the same sort of "theft protection" tag that's in the bulk of merchandise packages sold by larger retailers. The "embedded chip in tag" was the preferred method recommended by several cattle breeder/processor organizations. It's possible that an implanted chip similar to those fairly commonly used for pets may follow for cattle, and a fair number of livestock producers have reportedly been using "unauthorized" implants for quite some time. The apocryphal practice of implanting a (silver) dime in livestock for identification if the brand is "run" dates back to cattle drive days in the 1800s. The current standard cattle/livestock ear tags are a couple of dollars (US) each at my local farm supply outlets. By standardizing the tags, the paperwork and record keeping required by farmers, handlers, vets, and processors should in fact be greatly simplified. Current ICC (and other) regulations require documentation and usually "tagging" of some sort for any livestock transported across state lines, and several states have had requirements for identification markings of various sorts even for livestock bred, raised, and processed within the state. There are some "allowed exceptions" in current ICC regs for those adjacent to state borders where a transport across state lines may be considered "local," but licensed ICC (commercial) transporters have faced very strick rules, large fines, and in some cases loss of license for transporting undocumented livestock. (Considerably more closely controlled than the transport of illegal [human] aliens.) John |
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Subject: RE: BS: National Animal Identification System From: GUEST,robomatic Date: 26 Mar 06 - 04:40 PM Ebbie: Regarding your points. It's no shame growing up in a fundy household, the shame of any household is being taught to believe simply because and that shame goes across the scale. Your points: 1) The ancients did not know of a microchip, which puts no mark on the hand or the head. The ancients knew of branding. (And not all brands are physical, ask Chuck Connors). 2) Agree with every word. 3) Valid fear, across the board. As long as their are governments instituted by and on men and women, this will be a point in contention. |
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Subject: RE: BS: National Animal Identification System From: GUEST Date: 26 Mar 06 - 08:30 PM John, very good post! What are your feelings on the implanted chip? "small farmer" 'guest' |
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Subject: RE: BS: National Animal Identification System From: LilyFestre Date: 26 Mar 06 - 08:42 PM Guest, I have a small farm and my neighbors are small farmers. We are not part of the large giant farms where the majority of the food purchased comes from. I think it is RIDICULOUS that MY laying hens would need to be tagged and registered. Those eggs are for my family's consumption or for a few friends. We don't sell them to anyone. Do you have a pond? Would you like to try to tag all your fish? What about when your pig gets out and you haven't given the required notice about livestock leaving your property? There are an endless number of combinations to show how this doesn't make sense. If you want to see it as alarmist, hey, that's your business. If this does come about, let's hope you aren't the first one in line bitching about how much it cost to tag your small flock of chickens or turkeys or about the larger cost of microchipping your cows or pigs. Microchipping your cat or dog is for identification purposes in case they get lost. It is a personal choice. NAIS won't be a choice nor will it be required of the large conglomerate farms that raise and sell their livestock to all the major slaughter houses. Tell me how THAT makes sense when inquiring about safety requirements. Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: National Animal Identification System From: JohnInKansas Date: 27 Mar 06 - 12:01 AM I think it is RIDICULOUS that MY laying hens would need to be tagged and registered Nothing in the plans thus far considered by the USDA/NAIS has said anything about tagging and registering your chickens. While it may sometime in the future be required you will have an opportunity to address that issue if and when, if ever, it becomes an issue. Would you like to try to tag all your fish? Nothing in the plans thus far considered by the USDA/NAIS has said anything about tagging and registering your fish. While it may sometime in the future be required you will have an opportunity to address that issue if and when, if ever, it becomes an issue. As of the most recent (March 5) proposal, on which you are free to comment, there has been NO DISCUSSION and NO MENTION of fines or other penalties for inadvertent or accidental wanderings of animals. There in fact has been no proposal for any enforcement procedures or any fines or other penalties for violations of the identification system. As an animal keeper, you are expected to exercise appropriate control of your animals, and the ability of others to identify your animals neither increases nor decreases your burden of being responsible for them. The enormous costs you forsee for tagging all your chickens simply is not realistic. Currently available cattle tags, including some with RF chips, are on the order of $1 - $2 per tag in small quantities at retail. Leg bands, the most likely marker for birds, should be no more than $.50 each in quantity, depending on how much "recording fee" is rolled into the price. IF YOU HAVE a pet tagged with an implant, you pay for veterinary services and for having the tag registered with a private (for profit) agent who promises to keep track of the person to whom each tag is issued, so the cost is not trivial. Agricultural tags should be quite cheaply applied, possibly without even vet fees IF AND WHEN any requirement for tagging other than commercial food market animals is at some time in the future ever proposed to be made a part of this system. nor will it be required of the large conglomerate farms that raise and sell their livestock to all the major slaughter houses. The large conglomerate farms and the major slaughter houses are the principal ones for whom this regulation is intended. It IS REQUIRED - ESPECIALLY FOR THEM. The proposals include methods to permit them to identify "herds" rather than individual animals, subject to rather stringent conditions on the sequestering of groups of animals so treated, but they have no exemption from the regulations. The real question not answered in the proposals is whether, or to what extent this proposed system will apply to anyone other than large conglomerate farms and major slaughter houses. I agree with your apparent assertion that requirements for non-food-indusry animals are not clear, and suggest you avail yourself of the opportunity to comment and request clarification as indicated in the news release linked above by Ebbie: 25 Mar 06 - 10:42 PM, (More), or that you contact your local/area Ag agent and get some accurate information on what the actual intention of the USDA may be with respect to animals of the kinds you have. Judging from the "information" that seems to be in wide circulation, your Ag agent is probably about as lonesome as the highly advertised Maytag repairman, and would love to hear from you. John |
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Subject: RE: BS: National Animal Identification System From: LilyFestre Date: 27 Mar 06 - 06:50 AM You know, I couldn't belive any of this when I first heard about it either. Yes, I DO know that everything RIGHT NOW is voluntary. I'm looking ahead to what requirements are GOING to be and along with others, are interested in stopping it from moving forward. Personally, as I've said before, I do not have a large amount of livestock, but my neighbors do. Neighbors all around me do. I'm interested and concerned for my homestead as well as that of my neighbors. It will be costly for some. It will also put some small farmers over the edge. You go ahead and live in your la-la land where this is something way off in the future not to be concerned with. Like I said, I didn't believe it either...sounded too far off the wall to make sense. I wish it was just some wacky far off idea that wasn't going to have real impact on hard working, very real people. Enough said. Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: National Animal Identification System From: GUEST,"small farmer" 'guest' Date: 27 Mar 06 - 07:34 AM Enough said? Too much said and I give up! Michelle, no offense intended but I suggest you read the 'Censure Bush' thread and the post dated 03/26 - 11:52 AM, paying attention to the definition shown at the end. |
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Subject: RE: BS: National Animal Identification System From: LilyFestre Date: 27 Mar 06 - 08:06 PM Kind of hard to be offended by a nobody. No name = no body Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: National Animal Identification System From: Stilly River Sage Date: 28 Mar 06 - 12:26 PM The various callers to the Dirt Doctor program (see the link above) last week, and the letters he read from regional political figures indicate that this thing is likely to pass, but they haven't taken into consideration things like the movement of animals for pleasure and small ventures like children's competitions. You'll have to file forms when you take your horse out of the pasture to ride off of your property, you'll have to file forms when you take your 4-H animals to competitions, you'll have lots of nuisance papers that will no doubt be ignored and amount to nothing but more bureaucracy. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: National Animal Identification System From: GUEST Date: 28 Mar 06 - 03:34 PM "No offense intended" |
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Subject: RE: BS: National Animal Identification System From: GUEST,Art Thieme Date: 28 Mar 06 - 09:43 PM Alas, I can discern a "cow chip" from a 'potato chip' any day. If you ask me it's overkill to the enth degree to have to put an electronic sign of any kind on cows or horses or chickens or sheeps or whatever. And I'm telling you this because my old uncle was actually killed in a pie eating contest. The cow sat on him. Bottom line: I know a pussy when I see one! Art Thieme |
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Subject: RE: BS: National Animal Identification System From: Peace Date: 28 Mar 06 - 10:06 PM "You know, I couldn't belive any of this when I first heard about it either. Yes, I DO know that everything RIGHT NOW is voluntary. I'm looking ahead to what requirements are GOING to be and along with others, are interested in stopping it from moving forward." Income tax was a temporary measure brought in in Canada to fund this country's participation in WWI. I guess the war ain't over yet. We had something similar with gun registration. "It will be self-funding in two years." RIGHT. I am with Michelle. You want it implemented, YOU come tag my livestock. You come do the paperwork. As to computer chips for humans, put them in wristbands, much like medic alerts. That way, when Big Brother who does all this stuff on my behalf with my best interests at heart doesn't need to know where I'm going for five hours can track my dog who has the wristband around his neck. |
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Subject: RE: BS: National Animal Identification System From: open mike Date: 28 Mar 06 - 10:09 PM HERE IS AN ARTICLE ABOUT THIS FROM COUNTRYSIDE SMALL STOCK JOURAL http://www.countrysidemag.com/issues/1_2006.htm#article4 IT IS BEING DISCUSSED AT LENGTH ON THE CHICKEN LIST I AM ON. |
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Subject: RE: BS: National Animal Identification System From: Peace Date: 28 Mar 06 - 10:13 PM Link to article referenced by OM. |
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Subject: RE: BS: National Animal Identification System From: LilyFestre Date: 29 Mar 06 - 06:28 PM Great article, great magazine. There have been a few articles in Countryside in the last few months regarding NAIS. Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: National Animal Identification System From: LilyFestre Date: 29 Mar 06 - 06:56 PM Hey Mike, Do you raise chickens? What kinds do ya have? For showing? Eggs? Meat? Just cuz you like the sound of the hens clucking and the rooster crowing...or the site of birds free-ranging around the place? I love chickens! :) Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: National Animal Identification System From: LilyFestre Date: 29 Mar 06 - 06:57 PM Um, make that sight...not site...sheesh...too much time on the computer!! Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: National Animal Identification System From: Peace Date: 29 Mar 06 - 08:04 PM Love 'em or not, upwind of a place that has 10,000 layin' hens is the better place to be--about two miles upwind. |
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Subject: RE: BS: National Animal Identification System From: LilyFestre Date: 29 Mar 06 - 08:09 PM I can see you point..WHEW WEEE...EW. Living with about 20 or so is just nice...love to watch them, love to hear them cluckin' about...they really are lovely animals. There's something neat about coming home with a hen nesting on a corner of the porch or a rooster calling out to say hello... Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: National Animal Identification System From: GUEST Date: 29 Mar 06 - 09:48 PM Kill 'em all. Bird flu. Mad Cow Disease. Whatever. Nip it in the bud. |
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Subject: RE: BS: National Animal Identification System From: wysiwyg Date: 29 Mar 06 - 11:15 PM I like when they roost for the night in the bushes around the edges of the house. They're so big, they look kinda funny all nestled in the evergreens! Way too big for Christmas ornaments. A-course the turkeys were funnier. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: National Animal Identification System From: LilyFestre Date: 30 Mar 06 - 07:03 AM A few years back we let all our chickens free range. They were especially wonderful to watch when the daffodils were blooming as they would gather there to look for insects and such. All the different colors, fluffy feathers....very pretty. Of course, we found out the hard way that having dogs that might get loose once a year, if that, and free ranging chickens aren't a good combination. We lost half our flock and the dogs just kill them, they don't even eat them. After that, it's always been a rooster or 2 that's allowed to wander the property. They've got enough spunk to fight off the dogs...in fact, it's the dogs that get chased! Michelle |
