BS: Iman shames the U.S military?

Subject: RE: BS: Iman shames the U.S military?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 07:32 PM

Here's a related story, Report: US soldiers 'unlawfully' shot Reuters cameraman in the Chrustian Science Monitor of April 12th:

US soldiers breached their own rules of engagement when they shot two members of an Iraqi camera crew working for Reuters last year, an independent private investigation has determined. Editor & Publisher reports that the investigation, which was commissioned by Reuters, also said that the shooting was "prima facie unlawful."

But I don't imagine there'll be too much in the media about this, any more than there is about the Haditha killings. It's the wrong people getting killed, I suppose, people with names like "Walid" and "Khaled".

Subject: RE: BS: Iman shames the U.S military?
From: GUEST, heric
Date: 13 Apr 06 - 08:01 PM

The article states, btw, that three officers in Haditha have been relieved of their duties while investigations continue.

Point for pedants: The articles quote "prima facie" (unlawful) to vaguely imply that means "plainly," when in fact the term means "on its face."

Subject: RE: BS: Iman shames the U.S military?
From: akenaton
Date: 27 May 06 - 06:30 PM

Update on US investigation.

Hope this will signal the end for Bush and Blair
Surely we in both invading nations have seen enough...Ake

Link

Subject: RE: BS: Iman shames the U.S military?
From: CarolC
Date: 27 May 06 - 07:00 PM

They try to make these things look like isolated incidents (when they even get mentioned at all... so far, I haven't seen these latest developments mentioned in any of the US media).

One of my friends who is a Marine and a Vietnam Vet, and who served in covert ops in Laos and Cambodia, said he he couldn't tell anyone about the things he did in those countries, but he hinted that they were terrible.

I asked him if it was one of those situations where he would have to kill me if he told me. He said, "No, if I told you, I would have to kill myself".

Subject: RE: BS: Iman shames the U.S military?
From: GUEST, heric
Date: 27 May 06 - 08:40 PM

Oh thanks for rejuvenating this ake. I wanted to early today but I couldn't find it. The Haditha matter now has major momentum - top of front page of today's newspaper signonsandiego.com

Subject: RE: BS: Iman shames the U.S military?
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 May 06 - 08:51 PM

I heard it. On NPR. That's what makes NPR "liberal media" and probably a bunch of traitors to boot. They actually give you the news that, as an informed American, you really should know.

Can't have that sort of thing going on, now can we?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Iman shames the U.S military?
From: heric
Date: 27 May 06 - 09:29 PM

No, Don. The San Diego paper is pretty far right. Lots of momentum on this.

Subject: RE: BS: Iman shames the U.S military?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 May 06 - 09:53 PM

Left or right shouldn't make any difference when it comes to dealing with apparent atrocities carried out by our own forces. And sometimes it actually does work that way.

Subject: RE: BS: Iman shames the U.S military?
From: heric
Date: 27 May 06 - 09:54 PM

This can't be denied.

Subject: RE: BS: Iman shames the U.S military?
From: CarolC
Date: 27 May 06 - 10:31 PM

Thanks for the heads up about the San Diego paper, heric. Here's a link to one of the articles (it might require giving some information to get in, but I just gave fake information)...

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20060527/news_1n27haditha.html

Subject: RE: BS: Iman shames the U.S military?
From: heric
Date: 27 May 06 - 11:06 PM

Yes, that's the one that was the lead story in today's paper.

Subject: RE: BS: Iman shames the U.S military?
From: CarolC
Date: 27 May 06 - 11:22 PM

I think on this particular Memorial Day, the only war dead I'm going to honor are the innocent civilians who have been killed in wars. Maybe next year I'll go back to honoring the people who fight and die.

Subject: RE: BS: Iman shames the U.S military?
From: akenaton
Date: 28 May 06 - 04:33 AM

Carol... you're right that these horrors are presented to us as isolated incidents committed by basically good people who have been pushed "over the edge".   Notice how even the Times article pointed out that this area was a "hotbed of terrorism", and that US troops had been killed there three months previously. A subtle way of trying to excuse shocking brutality.

What is most sad is that many do not realise that this sort of behaviour is a pattern in all wars and "terrorism" is endemic in all nations who make war.
A lot of people prefer to ignore this unpalatable side of war, I have already mentioned our Christian brothers, but now iI would like to include the Conservatives here who have been praised in other threads for their "grownupness".

"For he is an honourable man....So are they all...all honorurable men"

W S                         Ake.....

Subject: RE: BS: Iman shames the U.S military?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 28 May 06 - 06:55 AM

This story has also been highlighted this week-end in Irish newspapers,
the ugly murdering armies of occupation will always be with us.

Subject: RE: BS: Iman shames the U.S military?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 28 May 06 - 07:01 AM

I know what you mean, ar mhacha. As a Macedonian from Thessaloniki, a 2300 year old city established by the glorious Philip II, I detest it every time I have to use my passport which says "Greek Republic". Ha! If only Alexander the Great was still alive, those murdering Athenians & Peloponnesians would never have taken over.

Subject: RE: BS: Iman shames the U.S military?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 28 May 06 - 07:28 AM

Thinking with their feet,- I see on to-days BBC TV that 1000 soldiers have deserted the Britsh Army, this is triple the rate, good on them.

Subject: RE: BS: Iman shames the U.S military?
From: heric
Date: 28 May 06 - 12:28 PM

Strange these last two paragraphs about houses burned in the area, impliedly on the same day. They don't seem to match any of the three houses attacked by the marines who were road-bombed, as those three houses were (apparently) all being investigated the next day.


"Another point of dispute is whether some houses were destroyed by fire or by airstrikes. Some Iraqis reported that the Marines burned homes in the area of the attack, but two people familiar with the case, including Hackett, the lawyer, said warplanes conducted airstrikes, dropping 500-pound bombs on more than one house.

That is significant for any possible court-martial proceedings, because it would indicate that senior commanders, who must approve such strikes and who would also use aircraft to assess their effects, were paying attention to events in Haditha that day."

Subject: RE: BS: Iman shames the U.S military?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 May 06 - 08:30 PM

Noone is going to get tried for murder for dropping bombs on people, no matter how many non-combatants they kill. That's not how it works.

Unless of course you're a murderous dictator who has passed his sell-by-date as a useful ally.

Subject: RE: BS: Iman shames the U.S military?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 29 May 06 - 08:57 AM

You've heard of "Friendly Fire"? (Well, the British and Canadians have...)

This was "Angry Fire"!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Iman shames the U.S military?
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Dec 06 - 06:05 PM

8 Marines charged with the Haditha massacre.

What about the slimy bastards who started this war, and encouraged a policy of "terrorism against civilians".

Time for the American people to reclaim their great country.
The ballot box has proved an escape route for the politicians, but America's youth are still dying in Iraq and nobody knows for what they die....Ake