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BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer

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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Rapparee
Date: 08 Apr 06 - 11:10 AM

Its own dressing room? Could it be detached and everything?

LH, the political crowd would have killed Custer. He was vain and had an opinion of himself far greater than he was (read his books and those of his wife). He was basically a nasty, vain, little martinet -- in his court-martial that came out. He overstepped the bounds and offended Sheridan, his superior. No, he couldn't have been made President; if he had he would have been the first actor-president instead of Reagan.

Brave? Yes, to the point of fool-hardiness, and amply demonstrated in his Civil War career.

To send your reloads off to scout a different area, to ignore the advice of your scouts -- IF he had survived his men he would have been court-martialed and drummed out of the service in disgrace. His vanity would have been, and was, his downfall and he got his "gray horse troops" killed as well.

Like Douglas MacArthur, Custer was too vain and proud and his bubris brought him down.


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 08 Apr 06 - 09:57 AM

So still no insights into whether the moguls of Hollywod thought, that man's cock, it has star quality. Give it it's own dressing room. And he talks like high class limey while he's flashing, hey....that's a class act!

Must have been intentional on the studios part.....!


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: The Shambles
Date: 08 Apr 06 - 04:08 AM

The history of the Crazy Horse Monument must be seen in the context of the nearby and currently better known (if much smaller) Mount Rushmore monument.


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: The Shambles
Date: 08 Apr 06 - 02:52 AM

"My fellow chiefs and I would like the white man to know that the red man has great heroes, too."
-- Henry Standing Bear, 1939


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Apr 06 - 12:34 AM

Ah, but Rap, don't forget, there is a long and glorious tradition for electing total incompetents to the office of president of the USA...specially if they have good military credentials and have won a battle or two. That's electoral and box office dynamite. Very similar to Rome in the good old days. ;-)

I don't know if Benteen hurried or not, but I really don't think it would have made any difference that time. He would not have gotten there. Crazy Horse and the lads had the situation well in hand.

Custer may have sent Benteen way off to the side because he did not want him sharing in the glory when they took the Indian camp. Wouldn't that be very, very ironic?

All of Custer's other fights had amounted basically to a glorious cavalry charge which swept all before it, Errol Flynn-style. I suppose he expected to pull it off like that one more time, although his Indian scouts had clearly warned him that this time there were just too many Lakota to deal with. He ridiculed them and called them "women". In response, they turned away and prepared themselves ritually for death...and many of them found it that day. He seems to have had a habit of not listening to cautionary advice.


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Rapparee
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 11:34 PM

I really don't think Custer could have become President no matter what he did. Remember that he had to beg and plead to be allowed to go back to the 7th Cav before the LBH fight -- he was close to being court martialed again. Also, his permanent rank was Lieutenant Colonel -- he was brevetted to Brigadier General during the Civil War and reverted when the war was over to his permanent rank; to call him "General" was to apply a courtesy title.

He was a daring and brave person, but I think he lacked a lot of good sense. Most of his troopers disliked him, and Reno and Benteen REALLY didn't care for him or he for them. (Benteen, by the way, was sent off to scout around the LBH battle area carrying all the spare ammunition with him. Custer himself sent a note recalling him; Benteen may or may not have hurried in response.)

Custer was also a martinet (but many military leaders were at the time) and was big on nepotism -- Tom Custer rode with his brother at the LBH.

Recent archeology work at the Greasy Grass battlefield, especially involving the recovery and siting of spent bullets, give a fascinating picture of what happened.


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 11:32 PM

Well, Ebbie, the cult of the "noble savage" goes a long way back. There were always some white people who saw the Indians in that context, and in some cases they romanticized them out of all reason.

An interesting read is Ernest Thompson Seaton's "The Gospel of the Red Man". Seaton was convinced he had been an Indian in a previous life, and he greatly admired their culture and spoke in defence of it. I have always felt much the same as he did...Indians were my heroes from the earliest age. I suspect he was an Indian in another life, but I'm not gonna argue with anyone about it. ;-)

Most of the movies and TV shows I saw as a kid had the Indians there just to provide "bad guys" for the good guys to shoot at, but there were some exceptions. A few. The Errol Flynn movie in the 40's was one of the first to make some attempt to depict how corrupt politicians and businessmen had stolen Indian land and provoked Indian wars...but it totally whitewashed Custer's personal role in what happened.

Custer was an anachronism. He seemed to only really be in his full element when in battle or on the trail to martial glory (a bit like George Patton in a later era?), and I get the feeling from biographical material that he was about as regretful of the free and open days of the Plains Indians coming to an end as any white man was...because it meant an end to the adventurous life he craved. For him to die in that battle was just about perfect. The life he enjoyed living the most was almost over anyway. His wife Libby, however, missed him terribly, and she seems to have spent the rest of her days doing everything possible to lend lustre to his legend. She'd be very upset with the contemporary revisionist views of her darling now, I'm afraid. ;-)

I've read several of those books you mention, Stilly, back when I was in my 20's. I never did read the Mari Sandoz one, though, or the Vine Deloria one, though I was aware of them being around.

Another book about the Indians I enjoyed greatly was "Seven Arrows" by Hyemeyosts Storm, and there was another about Crazy Horse called "Great Upon the Mountain".


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 10:55 PM

It's a complicated story and isn't liable to get any easier as years pass. Indians are now writing their own stories, but many recognize that the filter--the language they are using to tell their stories--makes a big difference in who reads them. In their own languages stories are passed down to native speakers. To write in English is the way to reach a larger audience, but in using the "enemies language" provides some hurdles that various writers have approached in interesting ways.

Many people have read the heart-pounding Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee by Dee Brown and Black Elk Speaks (transcribed and interpreted by John Niehardt). If you look at this territory of the story of white/Indian battles and in particular Little Big Horn like a large circle and slice it into perspectives and read lots of stories, with each a slightly different take on the battle at the middle of the pie, then you begin to understand those perspectives. Read Mari Sandoz' Crazy Horse and Standing Bear's My People the Sioux then read Erdoe's Lame Deer Seeker of Visions and move forward to the late Vine Deloria's Custer Died for Your Sins. Shift locations a bit to the Black Hills and look at how others have viewed the Ghost Dance and Wounded Knee (first and second) and see how authors like Gerald Vizenor and Gordon Henry and Louise Erdrich and many others view their past and their present.

What an oddly serious discussion to evolve out of speculation about Errol Flynn's dick. But the tricksters among the Indians writers could turn this into a witty and biting essay, I'm sure of it. I know a few who've written similar things about the movies and how they reflect [not] Indian life and history.

SRS (English Major, MA 1999, emphasis Am. Indian Lit--can you tell?)


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 10:22 PM

Little Hawk, it seems to me that those shoot 'em up movies you saw in the 50s and early 60s must have been made a good deal earlier. Long before that, there was a cult developing about the "noble savage". As long as he wasn't a "half breed". You just couldn't trust one of them if he was half white. (Wonder who ever came up with some of those ridiculous notions that many people unquestioningly accepted.)

When I was a kid in the 40s and I and my brothers played 'Cowboys and Indians', the Indians usually won. And some very popular books were out there that fed into our fantasies.

There were also many songs about Indians in that genre at that time and earlier. Remember 'Red Wing'? 'Snow Deer'? 'Running Bear'?


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 09:47 PM

No, of course it's shameful. However, Custer would have gotten a medal and maybe a chance at the presidency someday if he had managed such a massacre of the encamped Indians at Little Big Horn...and the nasty details would have been overlooked by a delighted and grateful nation. ;-)

In the eyes of most of the Indian fighters back then, no Indian was a "civilian". Read the accounts of the time, and that is plain.

To put it in General Sherman's immortal words to an Indian at one of the negotiations he did with the embattled tribes of the West: "The only good Indians I ever saw were dead." This later got changed a little in the common vernacular to the much-repeated saying: "The only good Indian is a dead Indian."

That's very politically incorrect now. In 1876 it was American gospel. The USA was built upon the deliberate genocide of most of its original inhabitants. When I was a kid in the 50's and early 60's, those inhabitants were routinely shown at the movies as simply murderous, screeching savages, gun fodder for another generation of American heroes to blast into eternity..."Another Injun bites the dust! Yee-Haw!"

That facade began to crack in the mid-60's...along with the whole general facade of Eisenhower's suburban Ozzie and Harriett American dream where the good guys all wear white hats, shoot straight, and salute Old Glory at 7 AM every day when they recite the Pledge of Allegiance.


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 09:39 PM

lol, Bill. Those poor guys! Remind me mightily of oosiks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: John O'L
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 09:30 PM

Oh, and as for the pre-dawn slaughter of civilians - regarding it as a legitimate military tactic does not make it any less shameful.


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 09:29 PM

Yup.


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: John O'L
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 09:13 PM

It would seem that humanity is humanity all over, eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 08:54 PM

There are many conflicting opinions about that, John. Some sources say the whites introduced the practice first in various places, but I don't think anyone has definitive proof of that. While the whites made scalping into a lucrative business (paying a cash bounty for scalps of men $$$, women $$, and even children $) the Indians did it for prestige purposes. Doing it for money certainly strikes me as more despicable on the whole. There were cases aplenty of white scalpers killing other whites, specially Mexicans, as long as they could get some black hair that just looked like it came from an Indian and get paid for it!

Anyway, if the whites originated the practice it caught on mighty fast, and it must have spread rapidly, because many Indians out west were known to do it even before they encountered any whites. (they were killing other Indians in tribal warfare and scalping them)

What the Indians were very well known for was hideously torturing and abusing their captives...or on some other occasions adopting them into the family and treating them well. On still other occasions...turning them into slaves.

Seems like there was all manner of behaviour, good and bad. Which aspect people focus most on is usually indicative of what cross they most prefer to bear or which drum they best like to beat, if you know what I mean... ;-)

I am very pro-Indian by nature, but I'm not about to turn a blind eye to the Indian atrocities committed in war either, and those were pretty common. Atrocities seem to have been the rule of the day on either side, sad to say.


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: John O'L
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 08:39 PM

I have read that the Indians learned scalping from the Spanish, and I'm wondering how many other of the abovementioned 'military' tactics were learned from Europeans, and how many they actually practiced before first contact.

(Don't get me wrong. I'm not blindly trying to defend their savage nobility. I really am wondering.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 07:53 PM

I can't stand Sheridan, but that's because I'm a southern sympathizer and an Indian-lover. ;-)

I have to admit he was a very effective general. Too damned effective, in fact.


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: catspaw49
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 07:42 PM

Custer has a memorial statue in his hometown but its kind of a pissant little thing...as it should be!

Little Phil Sheridan has a lot nicer monument as he should in his hometown of Somerset ......just about 8 miles from where I live now......As it should be because Sheridan was about 50 times the General that Custer was. BTW, 8 miles in the other direction is the hometown of W.T.Sherman.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 07:36 PM

Wow. If you watch for 15 minutes or so, you can see that the shadows on the small statue have moved a fraction of an inch. I bet this gets really exciting around sunset, eh? ;-D

Oh, look...there's a bird.


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: catspaw49
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 07:23 PM

Hey Sham......You noted that Peter O'Toole played the role in the movie. Did you ever notice that Peter O'Toole has a double phallic name? Very appropriate!!!

BTW......Custer was born just a few miles from my hometown of Dennison in even tinier New Rumley, not far from Cadiz where Clark Gable was born. I dunno' what the hell particular relevance that has to do with anything.........I guess that at least three handsome devils came from the area.

Also Sham.....Here is the Crazy Horse Carving website with photos CHECK IT OUT ......If I were related to Crazy Horse I might object to the nose......geez, what a blower!!! I was there in '96 myself. It really hasn't changed much. They also have on their site A LIVE WEBCAM!!!!! .......WOW!!!!! Considering this thing has been in progress (I use the word loosely) for almost 60 years now, the irony of a live webcam is, well, uh.....ironic....................Anyway if you're really bored it is THE PLACE TO BE ON THE WEB!!!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 06:49 PM

Crazy Horse deserves as big a memorial as he can get, in my opinion, but I think carving up mountains is a kind of strange idea. I'd be more inclined to build a statue.

Here are some other famous attacks that occurred at dawn in or the pre-dawn hours:

the final Mexican assault on the Alamo

the German assault on France and the Low Countries

the German assault on Russia

attack on Pearl Harbour (just before 8 AM, Hawaiian time)

D-Day seaborne landings (began at 6:30 AM)

Hell, make that EVERY significant German assault in WWII, and most of the significant Allied assaults as well. Dawn IS the natural time to attack if you want to attack with maximum effectiveness and make maximum use of the available hours of daylight.

Custer was vain. He was a braggart. He was an arrogant martinet. He lied to the Indians and assisted in the breaking of signed treaties. He was ruthless and merciless to their encampments. He was over-ambitious and reckless to a fault. He was a glory-seeker. But he sure as hell was no coward.

His one other good point, seemingly, was that he loved his very loyal wife Libby dearly, but...he was rumored to have had a significant affair with a Lakota Indian woman in any case.


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 06:39 PM

if yer gonna have a tight uniform, there's not a lot you can do

Size matters

and size betrays

you note they all won prizes!


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: The Shambles
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 06:08 PM

I once spent the nght in Custer. I remember it well as I had terrble case of the shits - after eating buffalo.

I wonder how the shaping of an entire mountain into the Crazy Horse Monument getting on?

As Custer has not a whole mountain shaped to his image (but only a rather unremarkable town named after him) I am sure this memorial would really piss Custer off.................

Perhaps this is a good enough reason alone to carve this memorial to Crazy Horse?


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Rapparee
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 05:06 PM

White forces tried to use early-morning attacks whenever possible, just as is considered good military tactics today. For instance, The Dull Knife Band was attacked at daylight on November 25, 1876; the battle of Palo Duro Canyon began at sunrise on September 28, 1974, and the battle at Steen Mountain (Silver Creek) began around 8:00 a.m. on June 23, 1878. Dawn is a traditional time for an attack no matter who you are attacking -- the defenders are generally less observant and tired, possibly hungry. And if you can attack East to West, with your back to the sun, it's even better.


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 04:42 PM

You misunderstand my meaning entirely, guys. I share your sense of outrage. I'm 100% pro-Idian in this. I hate the scum-sucking bastards in the cavalry! I detest what they did. However, I am under no illusions whatsoever that Custer was a coward. The man was ridiculously courageous in battle...not just sometimes...always. Read the Civil War histories about him if you don't believe it.

Indians, by the way, normally attacked by stealth and surprise too, whenever possible. That was the smart thing to do. They did not announce themselves, saying "On Thursday we will attack your settlement. Come out and make it a good fight." And they massacred sleeping families. They did it to other Indian tribes too, frequently. They were equally bloody and ruthless as the whites, even more cruel sometimes when it came to torture...but...here's what does it for me...it was their land, and they weren't doing it for the money. They weren't doing it on behalf of rich powerbrokers and politicians in Washington. That's why I sympathize with them a whole lot more with them than I do with Custer and his lot. Their cause was more honorable. Honor is something I admire.


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: John O'L
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 04:28 PM

Just because it worked doesn't mean it wasn't cowardly too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 03:33 PM

He didn't do that because he was a coward, by the way, he did it because it worked.

And the fact that he was slaughtering civilian populations by using this stealth? It was cowardly to creep up on a sleeping village and slaughter the entire population including children and the elderly and non-warrior adults in order to avoid as much engagement with the warriors as possible. (I won't give the usual "women and children" list because there were some remarkable Indian women warriors over the years).

I posted a link to a nude photo of Flynn earlier in this thread. You can decide for yourselves. I'd say he looks to be fairly typically endowed. Enough to do the job!


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 03:24 PM

As a strong sympathizer with Crazy Horse, I have mixed reactions to the 7th Cavalry.


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: gnu
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 03:21 PM

Sorry about this, but... odd (ominous?) that the 7th led the Yanks into Iraq, into the "main camp", and have now been surrounded. I hope and pray not.


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 03:20 PM

Yeah, it's a great book. There was a good TV movie made from it too, about a 4-hour epic.


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: fat B****rd
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 03:14 PM

Re Custer, the book "Son Of The Morning Star" by Evan S. Connell is a detailed and fascinating read. I don't know wether Flynn really had such a huge **** but I once read that he loved people to think so ATB from average but enthusiastic fB.


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 03:00 PM

Custer instructed the troopers to leave their sabers behind (highly unusual!) because he wanted stealth...he felt that the sabers might clank while on the ride, make noise, and alert the Indians to the column's approach. They would have been helped out some in that fight if they had had the sabers...a weapon which the Indians did not relish fighting against in close combat.

Custer specialized in surprise attacks on sleeping villages, generally launched in the pre-dawn hours or just at dawn. He didn't do that because he was a coward, by the way, he did it because it worked. It had worked very well in the past at the Washita, for instance. Because of these sudden, vicious dawn attacks one tribe named him "Son of the Morning Star". Another named him "Creeping Panther Who Attacks at Dawn". I trust the names did not contain as many syllables in the Native tongues! ;-D

He had hoped to creep up on the Lakotas in a similar manner, but it didn't work out that way. If it had, he might well have won the ensuing battle...but that's a matter of pure speculation.

In any case, when they did find the village they were not close enough to launch an attack until around midday. Custer further made the error of dividing a force which was only barely adequate for the task into three separate groups which could not support each other. This was his truly fatal error. The first column, under Major (?) Reno, did hit the camp by surprise, but given the fact that hundreds of warriors were in the vicinity, fully awake and ready to fight at a moment's notice, Reno was first stopped in his tracks and then driven back in total confusion by the Indian counterattack, which was mostly on foot. Reno's column was lucky to survive at all, and took heavy losses. They dug in in a wooded area and hung on. Benteen, meanwhile had been sent on a fruitless reconaissance way off to one side, and did not join the fighting until some time later. They too were forced to dig in to save themselves.

Custer led the third column in an assault on the center of the camp. The fight with Reno had already erupted before Custer's column reached the river, and this had alerted several thousand veteran warriors to the presence of white troopers. Custer's attempt to cross the river was repulsed...some (disputed) sources suggest that Custer himself fell to a shot at the edge of the river, and that this stopped the charge in its tracks. If so, he was gravely wounded, but not yet dead. Crazy Horse and Gall led Native horsemen in a counterattack that enveloped Custer's column from in front and from both sides and drove it up the hills to the "last stand" area. In that place Custer's entire column were surrounded and wiped out to the last man.

Reno's and Benteen's troops held out under siege in their dug-in positions for the next 24 hours, and the Lakota then packed up their stuff, struck the camp, and moved out. They had exterminated Mr Custer and about half his troopers, but they had won a pyrrhic victory in so doing, because it made the entire American white society determined to crush them once and for all in vengeance for Custer's death and the presumption of mere "savages" who would dare to wipe out an army column. That was accomplished in its inevitable fashion in the next couple of years. The free days of the Lakota were over and done after that.

Custer was a bold, reckless, flamboyant man...rather like the character that Flynn depicted in the movie, and he went out in the fashion that suited his nature perfectly. It was just the way an Indian warrior would have wanted to go. They were flamboyant and reckless too.

Custer had remarked before the mission that he was on his way to "a brevet (promotion) or a coffin". He seems to have had a fatalistic streak, and he may have had a presentiment that he was not going to survive the battle.


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: gnu
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 02:58 PM

Linn... "... many renditions of "Garyowen"." Oh? Different arrangements, I assume? And, I like the parody verse.

w.l.drummer... I would appreciate that greatly as long as it's not too much trouble.

In the meantime, what is the name of the movie? I might be able to find it locally and save you the bother.


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: gnu
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 02:46 PM

Crack cocaine?


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Cluin
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 02:12 PM

Apparently Flynn was famously endowed, both in proportion and endurance, if the testimony of one of the witnesses at his famous statutory rape trial is to be believed. There was also a rumour he used cocaine on his dick to prolong an erection.


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Rapparee
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 02:04 PM

His troopers also left their sabers behind, not that they would have done much good anyway.

Lots of troopers survived the Little Big Horn fight, you know.


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 01:57 PM

Yes, he made a grave error (no pun intended)


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: GUEST,buspassed
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 12:31 PM

Didn't Custer decline to wait for the Gatling guns which were on the way before he left for the Little Big Horn away game as they would only slow him down!


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 09:45 AM

I enjoyed the movie. Errol Flynn's role as Custer was spoiled by the usual historical blunders by Hollywood. His fighting equipment at the Big Horn were two presentation grade 1876 RIC Webley Revolvers and RIC holsters, with is trusty Remington No. 1 50/70 Sporting Rifle.

Yours, Aye. Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Rapparee
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 08:54 AM

If it's a foot, doesn't it make you walk funny?


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Michael
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 08:06 AM

So what? Mine is 12", infact it's a foot.
Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 08:05 AM

Back in the mists of time (early 1970s) after watching a LOT of Errol Flynn on late night TV (back when I watched TV) and, of course, many viewings of "They Died With Their Boots On"), I wrote a parody of "Garyowen" --

"Instead of water we'll drink ale
And watch Errol Flynn and Alan Hale
And never til the cable fail
Will we get to bed before morning."

I also made an audio tape (Channel 6 could be gotten of radio) of the film -- mostly for the many renditions of "Garyowen".

If that tape is still in existance, my ex-husband has it.

Linn


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: The Shambles
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 05:29 AM

The movie My Favourite Year is based on the life of a Hollywood 'hellraiser' and most probably Mr Flynn.

In this - the part was played by Peter O Toole.

My favourite scene is set in a TV studio when the character is holding the said part in his hand as he rushes to enter the ladies powder room to have a leak. A lady coming out, tells him that it is for ladies.

To which he replies - 'and so madam - is this. I just have to pass some water through it first'..........................


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: The Shambles
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 05:20 AM

Sounds like he used it as a battering ram.


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 12:22 AM

Errol's was 12 inches long.
But he didn't use it as a rule.


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 12:12 AM

It's called "My Wicked, Wicked Ways", is it not?


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Alice
Date: 07 Apr 06 - 12:05 AM

Read his autobiography. Wild story.

Alice Flynn


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Apr 06 - 11:21 PM

Yeah, that may just be the most unusual website ever, Stilly. Remarkable.


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Apr 06 - 11:14 PM

In uniform

Willie or won't he?

The oddest fan(?) site I've seen, including any Shatner sites. Whew!

A quote about the source of "In Like Flynn" from a family web site here.

    The phrase "In like Flynn" originated as a coarse reference to Errol Flynn's powers as a seducer. In November, 1942, Flynn was charged with statutory rape, arrested and brought to trial, then acquitted. He was charged with having sexual intercourse with two girls under the age of 18. (He was 33 at the time). It was Flynn's belief that the Los Angeles district attorney had made him a scapegoat for Hollywood in order to discipline the film community. Jerry Giesler (Flynn's ace lawyer) considered Flynn an excellent witness and thought that his "gentlemanly demeanor throughout the trial had been an important factor". A new phrase was added to the English language: "In like Flynn".


And finally, here's a quote from Walter Cronkite's wife:
"Errol Flynn died on a 70-foot boat with a 17-year-old girl. Walter has always wanted to go that way, but he's going to settle for a 17-footer with a 70-year-old." -- Betsy Maxwell Cronkite

I guess this is enough Errol Flynn trivia.*

SRS
*Bonus: I came across a site for Photos of the Day that included Jayne Mansfield in Paris. What's interesting about this is that the woman photographer is equally as interesting as Jayne.


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Subject: RE: BS: Errol Flynn's willy and General Custer
From: Rapparee
Date: 06 Apr 06 - 10:55 PM

The fillm is probably "They Died With Their Boots On" since this was apparently the only film in which Flynn played Custer. Info and some pictures here.


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