BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Jun 06 - 11:11 AM

Ron-

You're playing into this asshole's hands by answering him.

Same thing as "debating" a Holocaust denier- you're only legitimizing his vomit.

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Ron Davies
Date: 25 Jun 06 - 12:47 PM

I'm going to see if he can defend his position--without smearing those who disagree as traitors.

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: dianavan
Date: 26 Jun 06 - 12:16 PM

"Why do you care so much about what he thinks?" from Hubby.

If Bush had paid a little more attention to the way bin laden thinks, we wouldn't be in this mess. In fact, if the military strategists had paid any attention to the way people in the Middle East, think, he would never have invaded Iraq.

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 26 Jun 06 - 12:26 PM

Believe me dianavan,


The majority of the people in the middle east DO NOT think like bin Laden thinks.

That's where you're making your mistake.


Ron,

You have my answer. So force yourself to whatever conclusion you have to. It doesn't change the fact that you're wrong.


Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: GUEST,Woody
Date: 26 Jun 06 - 05:34 PM

Zawahiri Vows to Take Revenge for Zarqawi

Published: Sunday, June 25, 2006
zaman.com


Ayman al-Zawahiri, Osama bin Laden's top lieutenant, vowed revenge for Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who was killed as the as Iraqi leader of al-Qaeda.

Referring to Zarqawi as the 'Lord of Martyrs,' Zawahiri threatened George Bush, President of the United States, with revenge for the murder of Zarqawi, until the last al-Qaeda member left alive.

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Jun 06 - 06:30 PM

well there you go, Ron- I think we've both proved our points conclusively- not that they were ever in doubt.

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: DougR
Date: 26 Jun 06 - 08:14 PM

Ron Davies: do you still beat your wife? Your companion? Your children?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: dianavan
Date: 26 Jun 06 - 09:18 PM

Hubby - I did not say that bin laden and the people of the Middle East think the same way.

I stick by my statement.

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Ron Davies
Date: 26 Jun 06 - 10:07 PM

Well Doug, anytime you and Hubby feel the need for confession, you can always tell us if you are still beating your wives. But to be honest, I don't really think we have much interest in your domestic problems.

However, to return to the thread topic, if you Bushites would for once put your brains in gear, you would realize that nobody is trying to please Osama. But if you advocate attacking Moslem countries, you are pleasing him--and helping create more terrorism all over the globe. In fact, that is exactly what I, as a registered Republican, told the White House call-in line, just prior to Bush's unbelievably idiotic and falsely justified attack on Iraq.

Not having learned anything--you Bushites seem to not be the quickest studies-- you seem bound and determined to repeat your criminally stupid blunder by attacking Iran.

Just brilliant.

Sorry if I'm being too subtle for you.

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 27 Jun 06 - 04:53 PM

A few more questions:

The more leaders of Al Queda we kill- the better or worse for Ossama?

The more middle eastern countries that become democratic the better or worse for Ossama?

The more times Michael Moore, Gavin Newsome, John Kerry, Jerry springer, Randy Rhoads, Howard Dean, Dixie Chicks, Barbra Streisand, Sadaam Hussain speak- the better or worse for Republicans?

The more stories the Al Queda Tip Sheet (NY Times) prints- the better or worse for the rest of us?

The more weight Al Gore gains-the better or worse for global warming?

The more Ossamaites who put their hatred of Bush over the country- the more or less books Ann Coulter sells?

How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood-does that give us more or less renewable energy?

The answer my friends is blowing in the wind, the answer is blowing in the wind

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Jun 06 - 06:33 PM

Talk about the definition of nugatory....

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Ron Davies
Date: 27 Jun 06 - 08:33 PM

So, Larry K--you have no idea of the difference between the effect on Moslem terrorism of an attack on a Moslem country-- and the burning question of how much wood could a woodchuck....?

Based on the quality of your thought as revealed on Mudcat so far, I have to say I'm not really surprised.

That explains a lot of Bushite behavior. It's certainly true that Mr. Bush is far more capable of grappling with the second issue than the first.


If Mr. Bush and his supporters--like your good self?--had only been restricted to weighty issues involving woodchucks, the world would have been far better off.

Thanks so much for the insight.

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Jun 06 - 10:41 PM

Now wait just a durn minute! Are you tryin' to say that matters involving woodchucks aren't important ??

marmota monax would beg to differ!

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jun 06 - 10:55 AM

Greg F - definitely the rudist -
LR would be second
Ron a close third -

I'm new here but the sheer viciousness of the personal attacks from the above are surprising!

Is this normal for here?

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 28 Jun 06 - 01:00 PM

Wow, so someone besides DougR mis-spells "rudest" as "rudist?" Must be contagious...

And I'm far ruder than Greg. Way the fuck.

---Lepus Rex

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Jun 06 - 01:19 PM

Guest......You aint seen NUTHIN' yet...Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Jun 06 - 04:40 PM

A rudist is kinda like a nudist...with attitude.

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Ron Davies
Date: 28 Jun 06 - 11:18 PM

"sheer viciousnesss of the personal attacks"--well, I'd say that accusing somebody of support for brutal terrorists, enemies of the US,--something along the lines of "I know that Zarqawi was your hero", to pick a purely theoretical example-- qualifies as a personal attack--perhaps even of greater magnitude than an accusation of not using logic or not reading carefully.

But somehow I think all the participants in this discussion can survive the unpredecented horrendous attacks on them.

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 29 Jun 06 - 12:37 AM

How dare you mock someone's illiteracy, Ron? Especially someone as sensitive as Doug. You are truly the rudistest of all! And say "hi" to Osama, commie.

Anyways, good to see that the "War" continues to be over now that Zarqawi and his possible loin-spawn are dead. Knowing this, I can now sleep...

---Lepus Rex

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 29 Jun 06 - 08:44 AM

"I'd say that accusing somebody of support for brutal terrorists, enemies of the US"


Thank you, Ron. You have finally admitted that they are our enemies.

What do you do with your enemies? You fight them. You try to kill them.

Where?

Wherever you can find them.

Whenever you can find them.

So why do you keep on insisting that we "cut and run" and withdraw from Iraq?. Isn't that where the enemies are?


Why turn around and go in the other direction when we know where they are?

Can you answer THAT question?


Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Jun 06 - 08:59 AM

Read it again, Bubby, slowly, carefully, and this time for comprehension:

he's talking about accusing people who don't agree with your BuShite bullshit of being enemies of the U.S.

Got it?

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Big Mick
Date: 29 Jun 06 - 09:45 AM

Hubby, you seem to misunderstand a principle of war. Wars are always won by those most committed to winning. That is fundamental. Overwhelming force will always fail, eventually, against an enemy more committed to the priniciple they are fighting for. Examples: Vietnam, Afganistan against the Russians, Ireland, and I could go on and on. We can't ultimately win in Iraq, because the guy that started the war did so on bogus terms. There were no weapons of mass destruction, the guy had nothing to do with 9-11, he was not involved in the war on terrorism, he did not pose a threat to us. This President squandered the good will of the people of this country by going in for show, with an ill conceived plan, undermanned, and underbudgeted due to ill conceived tax cuts. He squandered the precious lives of our young warriors for a war with a false purpose. Now he is changing the predicate that he fights the war on. And the result of all this is that he has a country strongly divided. Which means that the committment necessary to "win" this war is not there. Sound familiar? Think "the 60's".

You can kill all the Zarqawi's you want, but the outcome will be the same. Another will step in..... and another ......... and another. Until we come up with some bogus reason for pulling out, just as we had for going in.

The real shame is that we had the good will of the world, and the determination of the people of this country, to attack and destroy the terrorists who were responsible for 9-11 and other attacks. Had we stayed the course and hunted Bin laden in Afganistan, this President would be in good shape. And the world would be safer and more united. This is why one must elect statesmen and not egomaniacal and misguided guys like this.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 29 Jun 06 - 10:43 AM

"Read it again, Bubby, slowly, carefully, and this time for comprehension:

he's talking about accusing people who don't agree with your BuShite bullshit of being enemies of the U.S.

Got it?"



No Greg,

You're wrong, as usual.

I see that your comprehension skills are no better than your debating skills.

So if I go by your standards then the "brutal terrorists" he mentioned in his post aren't enemies of the US?


They either are or they aren't.


If they are then why are you and Ron so against us killing them just because of what bin Laden thinks about it?

If they're not, then that says volumes about what you and Ron think about what happened on 9/11.


Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Jun 06 - 11:40 AM

Pointless. No neurons firing whatsoever.

Plus, things are rarely, if ever, completely black or white; life isn't that simplistic and/or made up of BuShite Sound Bites AKA "you're either with us or an enemy of the US.

Time for me to move on to something more productive, like pounding salt down a rathole. Engaging in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent gets old pretty fast.

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jun 06 - 12:02 PM

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA -

OK LR - You are not the rudest. And I am sure that the folks will survive the vicious attacks. Humans are a resilient group if nothing else.

I'll put my Dos Centavos here just for shits and giggles - Bush's failure is a genetic issue. His dad was worthless and there just is no arguing with poor genetics. And his second problem is that worthless sack of manure Rumsfeld. So in total I'd say this is the worst war administration in history.

I don't know if the war is right or wrong. I'm way to small a fish to even begin to comprehend why an oil magnate would want to fight in Iraq - or why the #2 guy has Haliburton Brown Root and Knudsen doing the contract work there. In Vietnam it was the same names doing the contract work. Wait do I detect a link?

Anyway - do you all have a spell checker? I am terrible without one - too frickin funny -

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Ron Davies
Date: 29 Jun 06 - 11:50 PM

In an effort to clarify-- the "brutal terrorists" are in fact enemies of the US. But, Hubby, your attitude--and Bush's attitude--are only creating more brutal terrorists. Bush needlessly and stupidly attacked Iraq. You supported this. That doesn't say much for your mental processes--or his.

It was obvious to me--just from reading the Wall St Journal coverage on Iraq before the invasion--that Bush had not proven his case--in fact he had no evidence to justify the invasion. And as I said earlier, I called the White House comment line to tell him exactly why it was a criminally stupid idea--mostly because of the terrorists who would be springing up due to the broadcast of pictures of dead Iraqi women and children.

Bushites are now threatening to attack Iran. If they do, there will be more terrorists. Neither you nor any other Bushite has come up with one shred of evidence to counter this assertion.

I'm still-with the patience of Job--waiting for you to do so.

You're a master at smearing as terrorist sympathizers those who disagree with you. Not very good at anything else.

As Mick points out, virtually the whole civilized world stood with the US directly after 9-11.   I supported the attack on Afghanistan and the hunt for Osama. Why, pray tell, is he now Osama Bin Forgotten? Bush has now squandered a great opportunity--and alienated most of the world in doing it.

And why any sentient being--which we hope includes you--supports him is beyond me.

Just start thinking--instead of regurgitating half-digested Limbaugh and Fox News drivel.

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: robomatic
Date: 30 Jun 06 - 12:19 PM

When Ron Davies smeared "Wait Wait Don't Tell Me" one of the funniest, best natured, and wittiest radio shows in the United States today, that didn't say much to his rudeness, just his sensitivity and ability to dicriminate.

Meanwhile, Osama has released a tape praising al-Zarqawi and beseeching the Americans to give his body back to his family. I wonder where his remains have been all this time and what stories will be made up about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Ron Davies
Date: 30 Jun 06 - 09:44 PM

Robo-

I think you know the word "smear" doesn't apply when discussing taste.

Also, do you know what YMMV stands for? I appended that to my verdict on "Wait Wait" and Jon Stewart, as you will see if you read carefully. I stand by my statement on "Wait Wait". You don't agree--fine. I never claimed it was anything but my opinion.

Actually, I'll have to throw myself on the mercy of the court and confess I'm not an unbiased observer in this. I have a hidden agenda here. I'm convinced "Wait Wait" displaced either "My Word" or "My Music"--or both-- on public radio in my area--and both programs are so superior to "Wait Wait" that the mind boggles. (Again, YMMV). It did not speak well for American taste to have "Wait Wait "drive out either of the others. To my mind, "My Music" is the best radio program ever made--I learned so much from it, the stories were so wonderful, the wit was absolutely delightful, it was so much fun--especially to try to guess the components of the medleys--I was usually a total disaster at trying to do it. John Amis, Frank Muir, Dennis Norden--I can't recall the last member of the panel--it's been too long--but they were all just perfect. I would have been happy to hear repeats of it every Sunday forever. Any program even possibly thought complicit in its disappearance will be forever a deep-dyed villain to me.



To return to topic--- Osama is now calling Mr. Z a "lion of jihad", as I recall. As the WSJ noted earlier, he's far more useful now to the insurgency as a martyr than as the loose cannon he had become.. Was he betrayed on purpose? Who knows? It still remains to be seen it his death will help the "war on terror" in any but an ephemeral way. So far, as per Shania (as I said earlier)--it don't impress me much.

Subject: RE: BS: Bye Bye Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 01 Jul 06 - 12:28 AM

Exactly, Ron. And bin Laden asks for the US and Jordan to return Zarqawi's body to his family for a proper burial, which, of course, he knows will never happen. He'll be dumped in some anonymous hole in the desert. So, besides being rid of the schmuck, and then getting to praise his fallen "lion" in the press, Osama gets to howl with indignation when the body is, effectively, desecrated. A stunning victory for al Qaeda, in every way.

---Lepus Rex