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Subject: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 25 Jun 06 - 10:07 AM Right then my luvvers! Sun's Out....Surf's Up...The Anchor's been decorated inside, in your honour....The Volunteer is ALREADY doing Folk Sessions....the Artists are all booked...the flowers are all bedded in...the lawns are all cut......the ice-creams are dripping....the waves are in toe-tickling mood... Only *one* thing missing! http://www.myspace.com/sidmouthfolkweek http://www.sidmouthfolkweek.co.uk/index.html HURRY UP! Lizzie :0) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Herga Kitty Date: 25 Jun 06 - 10:27 AM Looking forward to it, Lizzie! (I'll be running singarounds in the Theatre Bar at the Manor Pavilion) Kitty |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 25 Jun 06 - 10:32 AM And me and all my mates will be in the Middle Bar of the Anchor during the first week in August. What are these sessions in the Volly Lizzie? Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Herga Kitty Date: 25 Jun 06 - 11:57 AM I'll be in the Middle Bar too, on Thursday and Friday, before the Theatre Bar starts! Kitty |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Cats Date: 25 Jun 06 - 02:13 PM Jon and I will be down and I should be doing the ghost stories session on Sunday night. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: MBSLynne Date: 25 Jun 06 - 04:49 PM I too will be in the Middle Bar, but also running the Ashby de la Zouch Folk Club in the Volunteer garden on the first Friday night. See you all soon!! Love Lynne |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: the lemonade lady Date: 25 Jun 06 - 04:58 PM I'll be in the Blackmore Gardens selling my wares, with the Craft Marquee and the entertainment for children (phew, that got me out of the puzzle of where to put the apostrophie!) Steve can't come this year. Bobbin on the briney and all that, boo hoo! Sal |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Bonecruncher Date: 25 Jun 06 - 09:59 PM I'll see you all there, probably in the Middle Bars or the Dove R & R quiet room. Remember, anyone needing osteopathic treatment see me on the Camp Site. Fees equivalent to a few pints! Colyn. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,ifor Date: 26 Jun 06 - 02:34 AM and i will be there in the nearest thing to folk heaven! ifor |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 26 Jun 06 - 07:56 AM I'll be there too, as always, and hopefully get the tune to "They're Only Kids" (grins) Don T. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Splott Man Date: 26 Jun 06 - 08:02 AM Me and that spoons woman will be around on the first Sat & Sun. This'll be my first Sidmouth!!!! |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,Phot at work Date: 26 Jun 06 - 08:18 AM Well for the first time since 1976 I won't be there. Yep, the RN has done it again! And just guess where I'm going............................................Again! Roll on Civvie Street in two years time! Wassail!! Chris. (Just a bit pi**ed off!!) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 26 Jun 06 - 08:27 AM So Phot the Middle Bar Active Service unit will strike again!! Sorry you can't be there we'll still do what we can to keep up the record on Sea Songs and Shanties Night. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Cats at Work Date: 26 Jun 06 - 08:50 AM Phot - we can always phone you and sing down the phone so you won't miss it all... it's been done before.... |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Steve Benbows protege Date: 26 Jun 06 - 09:18 AM I am looking forwards to going this year. I missed the festival last year as i was busy getting married. Guys, Can i do a blatant plug of the Lulo Reinhardt gig. The guy is a direct descendent of Django and is one of the best alternative acts billed. Lulo plays jazz gitan and Flamenco with a great passion only displayed by the Roma. If you are at a loose end and want to experience somthing a little different - this would be my one recomendation. Hopefully i will be getting round a bit between the Bedford, Leadfingers' session and any other i stumble across. It will be lovely to finally meet some of the names here on the cat who i consider to be good friends. Looking forwards to my only holiday this year before i become a dad! Peter. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Tootler Date: 26 Jun 06 - 01:07 PM And I shall be in Durham for Folkworks Summer School that week. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Barden of England Date: 27 Jun 06 - 04:43 AM Look forward to seeing you in the Bedford, Steve Benbows protege - by the way Lulo was there last year - Brilliant! and glad to see he's there again. John Barden |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: rhyzla Date: 27 Jun 06 - 04:55 AM I shall be there on the last 3 days - hope to play a spot in Dukes with my daughter, and on the seafront! Hope to meet some old and new friends. Barry |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: MBSLynne Date: 27 Jun 06 - 05:23 AM Oooops! Sorry Don! Forgot...again. life's been busy...... Oh what a pain Phot!! We will sing extra loud for you but I don't suppose that's any consolation. We will be there the week before, so i hope we get some good company then too! Love Lynne |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 27 Jun 06 - 05:44 AM Yes Lynne, I am coming down on the Tuesday before to assist Grandad with stewarding. See you there Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 27 Jun 06 - 06:12 AM From Dave: "What are these sessions in the Volly Lizzie?" Got my dates muddled Dave, they start on July 12th from 8.00pm and will be taking place every month from July onwards, just checked with the Volly themselves. He's actually got lots of other 'live music' going on nowadays too, but then, so have many of the other pubs in Siddy, on a fairly regular basis now, although The Volunteer is the only one brave enough to put the 'F' word on their blackboard! ;0) So, hopefully things are starting to look up...and if the other pubs work out that having 'Folk' sessions proves popular, they may all start to follow! It was The Acoustic Cafe down in Dukes that started the 'live music' ball rolling in the pubs round here, and now, they all nip round to each other's pubs, to see what the 'opposition' are up to! ;0) Who knows, soon Sidmouth may have a reputation for great music *all year round* and not just for the First Week In August! Lizzie :0) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Steve Benbows protege Date: 27 Jun 06 - 08:59 AM John, Looking forwards to meeting up with your good self again. Ah, it's not long to go!!!! |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 27 Jun 06 - 05:36 PM Lizzie, If it's all open-mike type stuff they'll be very like the pubs in my part of the world. Every night of the week if you want it. Personally I don't. I've tried it down here in Sussex and i'm afraid most of it is rubbish. However if Sidders is better all well and good. See you in August. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST Date: 28 Jun 06 - 10:40 AM The Acoustic Cafe Dukes is one of those god awful Pay To Play venues where the organisers kick off the night with a bit of Neil Diamond or Eric Clapton, then all the local teens come on and do Greenday covers to an audience of their friends and parents. If this is the future of Sidmouths sessions we better all start learning Wonderwall. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 28 Jun 06 - 02:14 PM No mention of pay to play on the "play at the Acoustic Cafe" page, guest, but the list of instruments at the bottom suggests a more varied menu than you seem to, including, as it does, Acapella, bodrhan, melodion,etc. Certainly during Sidmouth 2005 it was very folk oriented, and I played several spots, as did a number of the professionals appearing at the main venues. I think the future of Sidmouth sessions, is less endangered by Dukes than it is by uninformed negative comment. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 28 Jun 06 - 03:08 PM Don, I think you'll find that our mischievious 'Guest' is actually Diane, or er...Countess Richard as she's known here. Being married to one of the sound engineers for the Acoustic Cafe (yes..it's all coming out now isn't it!) ;0).....I can assure you that NO-ONE HAS TO PAY AT ALL! It is completely free, as Diane has heard me say over and over. You merely turn up, put your name on the list, come back later or better still, sit down with the rest of us at the tables, or else stand beside all the masses of people on the pavement, right beside Dukes....and watch some darn talented people perform songs of all genres, covering everything from folk, acoustic, blues, a'capella, a bit of rock, cajun etc. etc.....Or basically, as I like to think of it, just GREAT MUSIC! People of all ages, all backgrounds, all abilities. Oh...and Barry and his lovely daughter Chloe are coming again this year, as he's stated earlier. YAY!! Last year, as Diane mentioned above, they gave us a GREAT version of Greenday's 'Boulevard of Broken Dreams' and they sent the place wild with delight...particularly all the youngsters who were queuing up on the pavements to watch them!! Then of course, there was Barry's band, Rhyzome's evening gig, when the waitresses threw caution to the wind, abandoned collecting glasses, took off their shoes and shimmied along with the rest of the audience as Barry and his band, folk rocked the night away! AND they sang us some great folk songs too.... You can hear Barry right here, and see Chloe too, can't wait to see them all again: http://www.myspace.com/barryhunt AND we had Duncan McFarlane and Steve Fairholme in the afternoon as well and Duncan sang us his great 'Not PC' song and had us falling around, doubled up with laughter! Such a clever song that one.....and then he and Steve gave us some brilliant traditional songs too! Duncan and his entire band are going to be up at The Bulverton on Thursday evening, which I'm really looking forward to, as last year in The Ham, we couldn't dance to their music..(well, *one or two* may have done...Whistling Smiley!) ;0)....but this year we can all copy those waitresses and get some Serious Shimmying going to Benajmin Bowmaneer et al!! ;0) And Duncan you can hear right here too: http://www.myspace.com/theduncanmcfarlaneband AND....having just been over to Barry's page myself, I see he's got my very favourite song 'Children Of The Sun' on there now....which tells the story of what happened to the Native American People....and as I now have many Native American artist's sites on my page, Barry is up there with them, right where he belongs!! So...his song will be playing on my page for the next few days....(I change the music/artists regularly) And if you go over there, check out the brilliant John Trudell, Mary Youngblood and Vinnie James, all of whom are from Native American backgrounds....and listen to Barry's song as you're reading all about them....then hang your heads in sorrow for how they were treated! http://www.myspace.com/lizziecornish Oh Diane....THANK YOU!!! I'd forgotten just how wonderful a time I had down there last year! And one day all the Mudcatters walked past us, with their Yellow Lilo...and I followed them....and they ended up in the ocean, in a big circle, singing 'We're bound for South Australia' at the top of their voices! Absolute magic!! Great to be reminded of all that FUN! Roll on Sidmouth!! Lizzie :0) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 28 Jun 06 - 03:28 PM Let's be quite clear about this; I wasn't in Sidmouth last August, I have never seen Barry Hunt play live, I have never been to Dukes and would never go anywhere near it, whether to listen to him or anyone else. 'Pay To Play' is a disgrace, contravening as it does all MU principles. If a performer isn't good enough to get paid gigs they should stay in their bedrooms practising until, if ever, they are. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Cllr Date: 28 Jun 06 - 04:01 PM Be fair Lizzie, Countess richard did not say she was the guest who made the ill informed comments about dukes and she has said she has not been to dukes,the marlborough as was, so she couldnt have been talking about it. I remember Leadfinger being invited on to the stageat dukes during folkweek and doing his brilliant penny whistle stuff with whichever band it was. Superb. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 28 Jun 06 - 04:10 PM Er...this is a thread about Sidmouth Folk Week. If you'd like to talk about Pay To Play, Diane...perhaps you need to start a new thread, because there is NO pay to play at The Acoustic Cafe or at The Acoustic Stage in Sidmouth, during Sidmouth Folk Week, after Sidmouth Folk Week, or at *any other time* If you'd like a translation of that, as I may have typed it in the wrong accent for you....please ask.... Thank you Sweetums! Lizzie :0) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 28 Jun 06 - 04:12 PM Hello Cllr! Am I in line for another hug in August then? I enjoyed my last one! ;0) xx |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 28 Jun 06 - 04:20 PM Ah, the Marlborough, that's where you mean. It's certainly come down in the world if it's running open mics for teenagers. Pay To Play is a no-no, wherever and whenever people are stupid enough to go along with it. I've no idea if it happens at 'Dukes'. I've never been, nor as I said, am I likely to. What is certain is that it would never have happened at the Sidmouth International Festival we used to know and love. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 28 Jun 06 - 04:40 PM From Diane (countess fred)>>>>Pay To Play is a no-no, wherever and whenever people are stupid enough to go along with it. I've no idea if it happens at 'Dukes'<<<<< I VILL SAY ZIS ONLY VONCE!!!! ZER IS *NO* PAY TO PLAY AT DUKE'S ACOUSTIC CAFE OR AT ZE 'ACOUSTIC STAGE' AT DUKE'S DURING ZE FOLK VEEK! Sweetums is there nothing on the telly for you to watch tonight then? Are you so bored that you've got your Meddling Finger on again????? >>>>What is certain is that it would never have happened at the Sidmouth International Festival we used to know and love.<<<< Well, all I've got to say to that is that *Thank Heavens* that Sidmouth Folk Week is so much more open and accepting than that narrow minded attitude above...for without opening things up, broadening horizons and encouraging young people as well, there may well be NO folk only festivals left *anywhere* in the country in a decade or so....... I should suggest that if you are narrow minded, bigoted, stirring or simply a pure pain in the whatsit....then perhaps you'd be better off going somewhere else instead...for the entire week. I've heard Siberia is very pleasant during The First Week in August! That way, we can all get on with enjoying ourselves tremendously and whooping it up all around town without Moaning Minnies R Us spoililng all the great fun! Thank you! Lizzie :0) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 28 Jun 06 - 04:43 PM Spoililng?????? Yes, even that too! I do hope that sweet chap in the pixie hat, with the mandolin turns up again..he was GREAT! |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Declan Date: 28 Jun 06 - 04:49 PM I should have known that any thread about Sidmouth would end up in the ususal tedious sparring match between the terrible twins. I ran away from the BBC F& A Boards to avoid them, but now they're at it over here. I'll be in Sidmouth too, doing my best to avoid this sort of nonsense! |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 28 Jun 06 - 04:57 PM Declan...GREAT news! (As if The First Week in August only being THIRTY SEVEN DAYS AWAY wasn't *good* enough!) You can go back to the F&A board now! You *can* Neither of us are over there anymore! I've left...in total disgust....and Sweetums is so upset about it, that she left too!!!!! I know! I know!! She can't bear to be without me! ;0) She'd better not steal my hug from Cllr though, else she'll br drummed out of town! Lizzie :0) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 28 Jun 06 - 05:08 PM Telly? Nah, there's no football on. Bored? Never. I'm listening back to sessions from Bazar Blä and Väsen recorded last night, and learning a Johan Hedin nyckelharpa tune on my violin. Y'know (oh, no you wouldn't) the sort of stuff that happens at a real music festival. You really shouldn't use 'open and accepting' as a synonym for tolerance of twee pop. An unsuspecting real musician who might show up in the hope of doing something interesting with other real musicians is going to be desperately disappointed. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 28 Jun 06 - 05:29 PM Strangely enough Diane....we didn't miss you at Siddy last year....and honestly...if you want to go somewhere else this year...we...er...still won't miss you. And you've no idea who turned up or what was being sung last year, as you were so busy trying to damage Siddy...that you forgot to turn up! I tell you what though...you could bring your violin down and play us all a 'John Hedin nyckelharpa tune' on it!! Now *that* would be entertaining wouldn't it? Er..... |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 28 Jun 06 - 05:56 PM I know a great deal from some of those who turned up last year for just one gig cos it was all they were booked for and thus got accommodation for only one night. Says not a lot for what used to be a cohesive, week-long musical experience in LC's recently adopted home town. I did actually almost turn up in Sid for one day only myself but got off the train at Reading and went to WOMAD instead. Good move. I've heard that at the LNE that night, peeps were charged £10 entrance to the dance tent (there being no season ticket) and chucked out after about three dances because of (surprise, surprise) low attendance. Perhaps me and my fiddle will be there, who knows? I don't need an invitation from LC, for fuck's sake. But you won't catch sight of me while peering through whatever window at the Bedford, even though that Barden chap has offered to clear me enough room to get the case open. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Cllr Date: 28 Jun 06 - 06:08 PM Hang on, I start defending you -countess richard- only to find that are actually implying what goes on at Dukes without ever being there by your own admission/posting. I think your dislike of other posters and pay to play is over coming your common sense. You raised the issue of pay to play (which incidently i dislilke hugely for reasons i won't go in to on this thread) which has nothing to do with sidmouth festival or dukes. Either you are trolling (which i hope you are not or you dont understand what has previously said in this thread or most likely you are mistakenly bring an issue which you care about into this forum which may well be worthy of a thread of its own, i hope it is the later and I will certainly contribute to it. As i have said a)the music is very good during folk week IMHO. b)it is good during the rest of the year and I understand thaT C)(not from lizzie but other sources) that it is not pay to play See you that want to be there in a few weeks time Cllr |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Cllr Date: 28 Jun 06 - 06:14 PM only just read your last post CR. People being booked for one gig and only getting one nigt accomadation has been the norm at sidmouth for years. i know this for fact as people have opted to stay at my flat in sidmouth for a week rather than take the offer of a one or a couple of nights accomadation. There was no change to the policy as far as that goes. you might be right about the LNE I can only speak from personal experience. I loved the lNE last year as there was more room to dance. I didnt get chucked out on the nights that i attended and I didnt here of it while I attended the festival. cllr |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 28 Jun 06 - 06:25 PM Hello Mike, yes thank you for what you said. But I've no idea what goes on in 'Dukes' and care not (as far as music is concerned). I didn't raise the issue of 'Pay To Play'. Someone else did, who may or may not be right about whether what used to be the Marlborough operates such a policy. I oppose it wherever and I'm glad you do too. I do however object very strongly to LC (who hasn't the faintest idea of what used to happen in instrument and dance workshops and sessions) dismissing these totally and suggesting that the future of Sidmouth (if there is one) lies in her variety of 'acoustic pop'. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 28 Jun 06 - 06:49 PM Oh, and re: accommodation. Yes, I know that during the latter years of the Heap regime there was an increase in 'bus-in-bus-out' headline acts. But what I am drawing attention to is how many of those who in the past would have stayed for the duration and done workshops (whether instrument tuition or playing for dancing) did not last year because they were offered neither the workshops nor anywhere to stay. I know that it is not only at Sidmouth that this is now occurring. But I am scarcely alone in regretting that a festival that was once unique is now nothing more than a watered down, bog standard festival with nothing to distinguish it from a dozen others. Sidmouth was special . . . once. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 28 Jun 06 - 06:49 PM It's OK Cllr....Diane and I are er....very well acquainted from the R2 board. She'll go out of her way to deliberately misinform, insult, accuse or abuse anything to do with Siddy Folk Week and anyone who has a hand in helping with it....whilst of course, coming to the town and participating in it. Luckily I've constructed my Trusty Trebuchet, down on the beach, between the rock islands. It's all ready and waiting for her arrival and we are, at this very minute...deciding whether to fire her off into the darker reaches of Budleigh Salterton or far beyond the safety of The Cobb at Lyme Regis. I think I prefer the latter really, as I don't think the former is really fair to the poor, unsuspecting residents of Budleigh Salterton...who've done nothing to warrant such an unfortunate happening as a Flying Countess dropping upon their heads, other than erect signs saying that people will be find £1,000 if they dare to remove the pebbles from their beach! Besides....beyond The Cobb there may now dwell Sharpy Toothed Sharks.... Yes!...Even gobal warming has a silver lining! The Cobb it is then!! ;0) Lizzie :0) PS...Countess..you'd better bloomin' not be coming to see Coope Boyes & Simpson. else all hell may break loose! Because YOU are not going to be allowed anywhere near MY Boysies! |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 28 Jun 06 - 06:56 PM Diane and I are er....very well acquainted No we're not. I've never (to my knowledge) clapped eyes on this person in my life, In fact, I don't believe she exists but is actually a random spam generator. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 28 Jun 06 - 07:03 PM >>>>But I am scarcely alone in regretting that a festival that was once unique is now nothing more than a watered down, bog standard festival with nothing to distinguish it from a dozen others. Sidmouth was special . . . once.<<<<< Did you know that Sidmouth was on the main news today? And in the main papers? Seagull problems you know! Not *just* Siddy but all over the country...and not just seaside towns either..in land too... HOWEVER.....it has given rise to a thought! I have...A Cunning Plan!! Not only am I going to catapault 'the countess' far out to sea, miles beyond The Cobb....but....I'm going to first dress her up as a seagull, this will ensure that if the sharks don't get her...the men from 'The Ministry of Seagulls' WILL!!! Oh...'tis a *brilliant* plan! And it's *sure* not to fail for the disguise will fool them all!! LOOK!!!!! http://www.hauntedventures.com/MascotCostumes/Birds/Seagull.jpg It surpasses anything I'd ever thought of for Stevie Scarlett! |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Chris Cole Date: 28 Jun 06 - 07:04 PM That would be a sight.. Diane grappling with your boysies. Oh go on Lizzie... just for the hell of it, let her.. please. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Hanson Date: 29 Jun 06 - 02:13 AM We'll send her down into some dark hole, Where the sharks will have her body, And the devil have her soul. eric |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Barden of England Date: 29 Jun 06 - 03:06 AM Oh how I wish this squabling would stop. Whilst sometimes I agree with Diane and sometimes with Lizzie I just wish we could keep focused on the idea of the thread. The 'Pay and Play' thing was put in there as a spoiler by the usual annonymous 'GUEST'. Suffice to say that the 'Acoustic Cafe' at Dukes was not 'Pay and Play', neither is it, nor will it be the future of Sidmouth, that's down to the people who go, and also to those who don't of course, by which I mean if not enough people go then it loses money and it won't happen. I've said it before and I'll say it again , Sidders has changed as everything does - it suits some and not others, but harping on about the way it was is not going to change that, and baiting people is only going to make this board boring. Please, please can we stop the baiting - we should be debating! John Barden |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 29 Jun 06 - 03:11 AM I only came on this thread to counter madlizzie's claims that I was in Sidmouth at all last year (I wasn't), still less at a kiddie's wannabe singaround at the Marlborough. However, to be parachuted by whatever means into Lyme would be OK, especially if there was a chance of meeting Jeremy Irons on the Cobb but purleese, not those boring old CBS blokes. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST, Topsie Date: 29 Jun 06 - 03:47 AM I was wondering whether to go to Sidmouth this year - after reading this thread I have reluctantly decided against it. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 29 Jun 06 - 03:59 AM LC has, of course, quite a history of pretending that people she doesn't know and therefore wouldn't recognise were in Sidmouth last year when they weren't. She publicly accused Ian Anderson of lurking in the Connaught Gardens when he and I (+ 100s of other people) know that we were both at WOMAD. There are doubtless photogaphs that would confirm this, for anyone who could be arsed to look. LC harps on about her fantasies about those (meaning I think friends of fRoots who are an inexplicable red rag to a bull to her) who are 'plotting to wreck Sidmouth'. The truth is (speaking for myself and I think Ian as he has said as much publicly), there is no ill will whatsoever and indeed a lot of admiration for the various motley committees who struggled to pull something off and did produce some sort of festival last year. But it wasn't 'Sidmouth'. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 29 Jun 06 - 06:09 AM Don't worry John....I'll give you an extra big hug to make up for all this! ;0) Nooooo! Ian Anderson wasn't in Blackmore Gardens. BUT....that 6ft Elf down on the sea front, with Size 12 feet looked *awfully* familiar! ;0) Right! That's it!! Forget Lyme Regis! Forget Jeremy Irons! Forget Death By Sharks and Seagulls! That is all *way too good* a way for you to end your days!! ....YOU are now going into Room 101, otherwise known as CARINA'S NIGHTCLUB! Yes! I thought that would have you shivering in your shoes! .....AND it gets worse (or better depending on which side of the trebuchet you're on!)...because not ONLY are you going to be spending the ENTIRE first week of August in there....BUT you have to be in there, chained to The Grumpy Elf himself! Yes!! I KNEW that would get to you!! AND....it gets even worse/better than that!....because I've chosen the music for you both to dance to....and it will be played non-stop 24 hours...round and round and round.....incessantly! So...THIS is now YOUR 'Musical Soundtrack' for the First Week In August! 1. The Birdie Song - The Tweets 2. Teletubbies Say Eh-Oh - The Teletubbies 3. Barbie Girl - Aqua 4. Agadoo - Black Lace 5. I Should Be So Lucky - Kylie Minogue 6. We're Going To Ibiza - Vengaboys 7. Grandma We Love You - St Winifred's School Choir 8. Shaddap Your Face - Joe Dolce 9. Achy Breaky Heart - Billy Ray Cyrus 10. Lady In Red - Chris De Burgh Because no-one....NO-ONE (!!!) gets away with referring to my Three Gallant Musketeers as "those boring old CBS blokes" !!!!!!!!!!! Meanwhile....*I* shall be locked away in The Ham Marquee with Porthos, Aramis and Athos......(Heavenly Sighs Smiley!);0) "One for all..and all for one" Altogether now.... "She's like a swallow that flies so high. She's like a river that never runs dry. She's like the sunshine on the lee shore. She's lost her love and she'll love no more...." Ohhhh! Right...I'm just off to turn The Trusty Trebuchet around now. Oh! And as you can see below, it's creating HUGE local interest..and when I explained why I was building it, *so many* volunteers came forward! http://home.actlab.utexas.edu/~dnazar/trebuchet.jpg Lizzie :0) PS MAX!! We SO need Smilies on this board!!! Oh please Max..PLEASE!! (Desperate Girlie Smilie!) ;0) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 29 Jun 06 - 06:13 AM And....I'd just like to mention that we're seeing D'Artagnan at Otterton Mill on July 6th! ;0) SO....we get to see all four of those Magical Musketeers shortly....right...back to the Trebuchet Turning! |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,wage slave Date: 29 Jun 06 - 06:16 AM What is the point of this thread please? It doesn't seem to have anything to do with the festival so should it be in this section? |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 29 Jun 06 - 06:29 AM Well....we're all talking about Siddy, from all sorts of different angles....seems the only one NOT mentioning it is er...you 'wage slave' Please feel free to actually put down your thoughts about Sidmouth though, rather than having a moan. ;0) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,Rob P Date: 29 Jun 06 - 06:44 AM Can we find out which internet provider Lizzie is with and get her connection cut off. She's doing exactly the same thing on here as she did on the BBC!!! I shall be at Sidmouth and would be interested to meet her, can she be as irritating in real life? I hope not. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 29 Jun 06 - 07:26 AM Ahh! But Rob...the question is not that at all. The question is: "Can the 'usual suspects' BBC Radio 2 posters REALLY be as incredibly boring, narrow minded, pompous, uncaring and utterly humourless as we think they all are?" And the answer is... YES!!!!!!! That's why I shall be keeping a very long distance away from all of them, apart from the truly lovely people from over there, who I've made friends with....some of whom I'll be romping around Siddy with! And we shall be having a glorious time in my sun-kissed town! Now then, let me see....I'm just running my eye down my list of 'People To Hug At Siddy 2006'......L,M,N,O,P,Q....*R*..... Aha! Here we are...*R*.....Ralph, Richard, Rick.... Nope! Not a *Rob* in sight I'm afraid.... Hey ho! Lizzie ;0) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,Rob P Date: 29 Jun 06 - 08:21 AM Phew!! :) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,Ralph Date: 29 Jun 06 - 08:26 AM Don't include me |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John MacKenzie Date: 29 Jun 06 - 08:28 AM To quote your own quote Lizzie, you certainly are like a river that never runs dry. STOP BABBLING you're not a brook! Giok |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 29 Jun 06 - 08:31 AM Er....no....Ralph is definitely NOT Ralphie....in case you were panicking there. Have no fear! ;0) John...please see the Abbotsbury thread for my reply to your last rude comment to me. Thanks! And now....back to Sparkling Sidmouth....Hey Puddy...are you 'out there'....I think we could do with a darn site more Sparklers in this thread! :0) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Steve in Sidmouth Date: 29 Jun 06 - 09:41 AM "It surpasses anything I'd ever thought of for Stevie Scarlett!" So what did you have in mind Lizzie? Did I see you at Bicton recently during the open-day, or was that delicate ethereal image a mirage? |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 29 Jun 06 - 11:00 AM (((((!!STEVIE SCARLETT))))) I was wondering when you'd come to add some of your er...Sparkle! You *ARE* going to Sparkle...aren't you Stevie???? You should be living down nearer town you know....I can see the sun sparkling on the water from my windows! 'Tis luvverly! Lizzie ;0) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,Guest Date: 29 Jun 06 - 12:22 PM Ok ... Countess Richard ... whoever you are!! I have only just picked this thread up so bear with me! Why so many festivals are now having to 'bus in - bus out' musicians is in some way caused by the MU. Many so called headline acts are now imposing such hugh fees that often they can longer be sustained for longer than a single gig or 2 at best. Acts are costing rediculous sums of money (including massive agency fees of course) eg £2,500 for a 45 mins spot and also imposing other clauses such as minimum hotel standards, the type of flowers they want in their dressing rooms, the right 'type' of water, free meals, transport etc. You wouldn't believe what certain solo acts charge for fees. Sidmouth and others have had to move on from the 'village fair' approach when acts used to want to spend the week contributing to other elements of the festival. The argument that you use for slagging off the Acoustic Cafe ... professsional MU standards etc etc is the very same argument that has turned so called 'stars' into mercenaries. Many top names just don't want to make a contribution anymore for the fun of it. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 29 Jun 06 - 12:42 PM Dear Guest above. Countess Richard is 'Diane Easby' from the Radio 2 Folk & Acoustic board. There is NO argument over the Acoustic Cafe, as it's merely a 'once a month, book in and play, free session' which takes place within Dukes Hotel in Sidmouth. The public isn't charged, the performers aren't charged and don't charge. It is ALL entirely free and done purely to encourage young people, and older ones too, to 'have a go'. I KNOW because as I stated above, my husband is one of the sound engineers. Diane and I have been er...disagreeing for a very long time elsewhere and this was purely done to wind me up and take yet another swipe at Sidmouth and it's Folk Week, to which she IS coming, whilst trying to, as always, undermine or 'slag' it and everything else off at every turn. Just felt I should explain that bit to you at least...I'll leave you to 'discuss' the other parts with her....but I warn you...you'll not get far! Lizzie :0) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 29 Jun 06 - 01:01 PM OK . . . GUEST.Guest Festival Organiser . . . whoever you are (you're not the one who wanted to book some African artists and pay them as little as possible, are you?) Yes I know what fee some 'so-called' headline acts ask for and as often as not don't get. I also recognise, as you clearly don't, that their one-off performance usually involves driving from crack of dawn and often back the same night, a 16-20 hour day which works out at an hourly rate often well below the minumum wage when petrol and food are taken into account. Performers are professionals who deserve a living wage and some respect for their art and for themselves as people. That is why the MU exists: to uphold standards and protect musicians from those who would treat them as commodities. Who's the mercenary? |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,South Devon Music Maid Date: 29 Jun 06 - 01:02 PM Regarding how much acts are paid They are only paid that much because people are daft enough to pay that much. If venues and promoters refused to then perhaps artists would reconsider. SDMM |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 29 Jun 06 - 01:20 PM SDMM You go to work I suppose? What if your employer announced that henceforth your salary was halved or quartered or you weren't going to be paid at all? I think you'd be reconsidering where you wanted to sell your labour, wouldn't you? Performers are treated like shit by many (though not all) UK organisers and promoters. Ever stopped to wonder why so many artists are touring mainland Europe instead? LC I'm asking you kindly to shut the fuck up. Why should anyone care what your husband does? I have an ex who is a UN interpreter. That's not going to make me diplomatic where exploitation of artists is concerned. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 29 Jun 06 - 01:33 PM Diane....YOU accused the Acoustic Cafe, of charging. You were completely and utterly wrong. As I know the exact details because of my husband, I am free to put your twisted record straight. Now, I realise that the prospect of a whole week of dancing with Grumpy Ed, in Carina's to The Birdie Song is probably upsetting you somewhat.... However, I think it would be better for all concerned if you were able to control your er....sweet personality a little more. Irritating isn't it Sweetums!! Me being over where I've the freedom to answer you back! I'd also like to congratulate your UN Interpreter husband for becoming an 'Ex'.....what a wise man!!! ;0) Oh....and haven't you always said that people should sing purely for the honour of it! Haven't you slagged off more artists than ex-husbands for 'exploiting' the sacred tradition? Haven't I started threads over on the Radio 2 board, stating that musicians shouldn't be made to feel guilty over being paid decent money by er...people like you and your little gang? Funny how you accuse some artists of commercial exploitation, whilst champion others! I'd look up the word HYPOCRITE in the dictionary if I were you Sweetums....you may learn a lot... But..then again...... :0) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 29 Jun 06 - 01:37 PM . . . oh, and whaddya mean, LC, announcing to the world that I'll be in Sidmouth this year? You're not my agent. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 29 Jun 06 - 01:48 PM YOU accused the Acoustic Cafe, of charging No I didn't. Some Guest 28 Jun 06 - 10:40 AM said that. I've only just found out that this dubious venue is at the Marlborough and I haven't a clue what they're up to. Never been and never will. Haven't I started threads over on the Radio 2 board, stating that musicians shouldn't be made to feel guilty over being paid decent money by er...people like you and your little gang? I'll probably regret asking this, but just who do you imagine 'me and my little gang' are? |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 29 Jun 06 - 02:09 PM I'm looking fowards to seeing Lunasa, as well as CB&S and the DMcF Band, but then...there's Flook, the Warsaw Village Band, George Papavgeris...Roy Bailey....Blue Murder...Witches of Elswick...Les Barker..Dulaman, Nancy Kerr & James Fagan...Julie Fowlis..... Blimey!! WHO *do* you choose? Oh...decisions...decisions! And in between all that there's the Middle Bar Singers and all the dancers, the jugglers, the fire-eaters, the story-tellers....Chumbawamba, John Kirkpatrick....Oh...and I hope the Shropshire Bedlams are going to be on the seafront again.... Heck! It's enough to send you batty! ;0) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST Date: 29 Jun 06 - 02:10 PM I AM an agent and promoter, I KNOW what i am talking about Diane, shame you dont. SDMM |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John MacKenzie Date: 29 Jun 06 - 02:22 PM This is getting a bit too personal even for me. All I can say about the calculations about hourly rates for expensive folk acts is.... If they are having to travel all those miles for 1 gig then their agent is not doing his job, an old friend of mine, an agent for some big names in his day, and now alas dead: said..... "The secret is not to book then into Newcastle one night and The Troubador in London the next, followed by a gig in Scotland." If you choose the highest paying gigs without regard to their geographical location you are an eedjit! Giok |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 29 Jun 06 - 02:25 PM Oh I know what I'm talking about, SDMM. I'm just very unlikely ever to see it from your grasping, exploitative point of view. You really ought to say who you are so that artists could avoid being stuffed. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: BB Date: 29 Jun 06 - 02:26 PM I think it unfair to blame the MU - members' minimum fees are way below what many 'top acts' are charging festivals - and the additional requirements are certainly nothing to do with the MU! |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST Date: 29 Jun 06 - 03:04 PM I dont stuff my artists, they have plenty of gigs as they are not greedy and are very well known. They agree with me. Also if the public refused to buy the tickets then it would all resolve itself. I also dont like the way you have a go at Lizzie, on this board, as you did on the other. You are a bully. I dont need to prove myself as already have done so "Countess Richard" |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Chris Cole Date: 29 Jun 06 - 03:32 PM Well said Guest. Why can't the bullies let Lizzie have her Sidmouth wallow? Why can she not have one thread SOMEWHERE to wax lyrical and paint the Sidmouth picture for us all? The like minded can join in and the usual suspects can let us all get on with it. The thread started so upbeat and has, as usual, descended into the usual bun fight. I admire Lizzie's determined spirit and I don't give a hoot if Diane and her gang ignore or insult me. Sidmouth is a joy and a treasure. Let's look forward without mud slinging and naval gazing. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 29 Jun 06 - 03:41 PM SDMM Guest So, you refuse to reveal who you are, other than being a 'friend' of LC the random spam generator who is allied in some way with some open mic knob twiddler. This is not even faintly related to the price of cheese (or even more pertinently, to what performers need to earn to cover their basic day-to-day basic living expenses, not to mention some profit to put towards the day when they can no longer tour). As Barbara Brown indicates, MU minimum rates are very far from excessive, yet you are begrudging artists even that. I find this shameful. Giok I wasn't actually taking about the geographically-challenged tour 'organiser' who dreams up this sort of punishing schedule as a result of never having passed 'O'-level geography but the festival booker who summons a 5-piece (at least) band from all corners of the universe for a one-off @ 3/6d, no expenses. no accommodation, just piss off and we'll see you next year and be grateful we remember you. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 29 Jun 06 - 03:49 PM Oh, so who is this pudperson anyway? I've no idea so will ignore it/him/her. Most people know who I am and know that I'm notoriously gangless. And that my appreciation of Sidmouth as a 'joy and a treasure' predates that of most around here. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Chris Cole Date: 29 Jun 06 - 05:01 PM Who do I have to be? Why is it relevant? Why can I not join in? who makes the rules? |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Cllr Date: 29 Jun 06 - 05:25 PM I like lizzies comments i enjoy reading them and sharing the enthusiasm for well everything really (mainly for SoH who i think are brillaint) I like countess richard. we have had intelligent discussions and i'm always happy to have a debate with her. I love sidmouth festival, I havn't missed one for over twenty years so im biased. I do not care what guest, feckless, clueless and nameless says as I believe they are trolling and add nothing to the conversation. Note that guest in one form or another has attacked both CR and LC and Whatever one may think of them, LC or CR do not post annony annam anams err umm at least we know who they are. I personally would be happy to buy either lC or CR a drink and discuss or views on music and hopefully will but guest can kiss my virtual shiny behind. Cllr |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,Guest Date: 29 Jun 06 - 10:20 PM Countess Dick! In answer to your earlier reply re: MU rates and mercenaries. Well, I am a performer too and tax registered and have spent my time driving 500 mile round trips for 1 gig or driving home 200 miles after a late night gig cos the organiser has 'forgotten' to arrange something. I've been stuffed with filthy accommodation from festival organisers, unmanageable performance schedules and low fees so I appreciate both points of view based on experience. But, all that taken into consideration, one £500 gig per week is equivalent to a gross annual income of £26,000 which aint bad for a part-time worker even if you add travel time (for one gig remember) and rehearsal time. Most people have to travel to work everyday of their working lives! |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,Liam Date: 30 Jun 06 - 03:05 AM >>Acts are costing rediculous sums of money (including massive agency fees of course) eg £2,500 for a 45 mins spot and also imposing other clauses such as minimum hotel standards, the type of flowers they want in their dressing rooms, the right 'type' of water, free meals, transport etc. Apparently Dave Allen did a tour in the late 80s and was perplexed why so many of the principal dressing rooms at the theatres he was playing were freshly painted pink. It turned out that Shirley Bassey had played most of the same circuit of theatres just before, and her contract stipulated that the Great Diva a pink dressing room. I have yet to see a folk perfomer's contract rider stipulating the colour of their dressing room, or indeed demanding flowers (white lillies for Mick Jagger I'm told) but I have seen some other clauses that have made me shake my head in wonder. There are several performers out there that have been merrily shoving their prices up while dramatically shortening the time they play for. Those are the sort of performers that need to see rather less bums on seats at their gigs, in my view. As to the great debate about whether "New Sidmouth" is better or worse than "Old Sidmouth", I think the only way to really know is to come and experience it. It is after all a rather nice place anyway, even without the music. What I do know is that the economics of Sidmouth in its old form had become unsustainable. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 30 Jun 06 - 03:10 AM Maybe all this stuff about Artists pay etc should be in another thread! I work in a Concert Hall and could tell you a few stories - but I wont here cos that's not what the thread started for!! Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 30 Jun 06 - 03:55 AM If Ian Anderson and I have to spend a week in a virtual Carina's, we'll have the rest of Tiger Moth there and a copy of Stepping Up. Who would you spend the week with and what music would you have? |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Hanson Date: 30 Jun 06 - 04:29 AM Kathryn Tickell and Karen Tweed, sod the music. eric |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Blowzabella Date: 30 Jun 06 - 04:49 AM I'd quite like to spend a week with Jim Eldon and his collection of hats. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: IanC Date: 30 Jun 06 - 04:52 AM Er ... I've got a nice collection of hats, and I think we're performing at Sidmouth next year. ;-) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Blowzabella Date: 30 Jun 06 - 04:54 AM But do you have Jim's quintessential 'Jimness' ??? (Heaven help you if you do!) *g* |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: IanC Date: 30 Jun 06 - 04:58 AM More of an IanNess with me, actually, though I do do a One Man Mummers with the hyats. :-) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 30 Jun 06 - 05:10 AM Jims (as well as Eldon) I'd happily spend the week with: Causley Moray Delarre Raynard DEAD LIST Hendrix Morrison RESERVE LIST Younger Patterson Taylor (and any other old bloke Jims I've forgotten about) NO-NOs Boyes Blunt |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Folkiedave Date: 30 Jun 06 - 05:24 AM actually, though I do do a One Man Mummers with the hyats. What about this for a link(!!) The first person I ever saw do a one man mummers play - and using hats for the characters - was Steve Heap. About 1966/1967 |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,Liam Date: 30 Jun 06 - 05:25 AM Jim Morrison will sadly have been dead 35 years this Monday coming. That is unless the rumours are true and he is going to come and surprise us at Sidmouth... |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 30 Jun 06 - 05:36 AM Well. I did put Jim Morrison on the Dead List . . . Sidmouth could relocate to Père Lachaise. Meanwhile, let's have THE OLD HAT CONCERT PARTY (for when Tiger Moth needs a break). As for Steve Heap, does he feature on anybody's list of 'Steves To Spend The Week With'? (I'm having Stefans Grossman and Sobell . . .) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,Jon Date: 30 Jun 06 - 05:42 AM Looks like I'd just end up spending the week squabbling with Eric The Red ;-) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Barden of England Date: 30 Jun 06 - 05:42 AM 'Steves To Spend The Week With' Nicks - but I'm still too old for her!! |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John MacKenzie Date: 30 Jun 06 - 05:46 AM May as well confess to a hankering for a bit of time spent with Karine Polwart, if we're talking music that is. If it were to be anybody in the world, then it would have to be Goldie Hawn of course. Giok |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John MacKenzie Date: 30 Jun 06 - 05:47 AM Where are you.................... |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John MacKenzie Date: 30 Jun 06 - 05:48 AM Terry? |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 30 Jun 06 - 07:44 AM You got the 100 Giok Terry (Leadfingers)must be asleep or out of the country. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Cllr Date: 30 Jun 06 - 08:46 AM I used to play Tigermoth on my student radio show in the ninties and more recently I had dear maggie holland playing solo at my club before Tigermoth were playing at sidmouth festival ah happy days Cllr |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: George Papavgeris Date: 30 Jun 06 - 02:45 PM With you about Karine, Giok. But time spent with Nancy Kerr or Nicole Murray is also rewarding musically - and I mean with James Fagan and John Thompson respectively also in company! Indeed, may of my favourite female performers are parts of duos or trios - did I mention Vicki Swan and Jonny Dyer? And there is also the While-Matthews harmony powerhouse of course. Or the Threllfalls, the Tabbush sisters, and a recent find, Ember. Beyond music, I have to confess to an early hankering after Doris Day! I did eventually grow out of it (we are talking 10 yr-old), helped on the way by Janet Fonda... But I was wasting time, and by the time I saw Felicity Kendall it was too late - I was already in a steady relationship. Felicity's loss, I fear... |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: George Papavgeris Date: 30 Jun 06 - 02:53 PM Ah - Sidmouth. I'll be there, and no, I am not paid £500. Not even 1/xth of that. Come along on Saturday for "teatime with me" (honest, that's how it's billed!) and we'll do it for the fun of it. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John MacKenzie Date: 30 Jun 06 - 02:57 PM I'll be there without fail George G. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Chris Cole Date: 30 Jun 06 - 03:46 PM I hope to be there too George. From my younger days, can I add Jim Croce - one of the first people to make me stop and listen to lyrics. Saw one of his CDs in the library the other day and it reminded me how much I enjoyed his music (within the contect of growing up with Suzie Quatro and Gary Glitter etc riding high in the charts). |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 30 Jun 06 - 04:08 PM Suzi Quatro, Chrissie Hynde and Stevie Nicks, great women's voices of the 80s. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Steve in Sidmouth Date: 30 Jun 06 - 05:57 PM I'll settle for Kate Rusby any day - either all to myself or maybe singing in the Arena before 4000 people. Now that really would be Sidmouth - Underneath the Stars - on a warm summer night. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 30 Jun 06 - 06:20 PM Good Lordy Stevie....you weren't that chappie who fell asleep on my shoulder during Kate's Siddy Gig were you????? It was the lager that did it Stevie! And Kate's lovely voice too of course! Have they stopped stoning her over on the R2 board yet....or are they still droning on and on about poor Kate? And...I didn't have the heart to move him....and it was you all along!! ;0) Tell you what though Stevie.... "Anything you can do, I can do better....." ;0) Press Song Number 2 and...... http://www.myspace.com/katerusby ....come on over here, that's it.....now then....put your head back on my shoulder, get cosy....and be transported right back to The Arena that night.....and as Kate began to sing Underneath The Stars....there was a hush that fell over that audience, that you could literally touch....practically the last song she sang....and up in the heavens...the stars twinkled gently....right above us...... Stevie? Stevie???????? "Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....." Awwwwwww...Bless! ;0) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Hanson Date: 01 Jul 06 - 03:02 AM They are still crucifying Kate on the BBC radio 2 board, but it's Mike Hardings fault. eric |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John MacKenzie Date: 01 Jul 06 - 04:30 AM Everything to do with folk on radio is Mike Harding's fault. Apparently!! Giok |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: George Papavgeris Date: 01 Jul 06 - 05:11 AM Including bad reception |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 01 Jul 06 - 05:27 AM Radio 4 FM has gone from my steam-driven wireless, more or less anyway. The signal sounds as though it's coming via the rear end of a pantomime horse, thus I really ought to have known it was Mike Harding's fault. (Explanation to those who don't remember/never knew on the first place: MH performed this role on the cover of Lea Nicholson's Horse Music). |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 01 Jul 06 - 06:20 AM Surely it's Kate Rusby's fault? Poor Kate! |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST Date: 01 Jul 06 - 06:41 AM No the fault is with those who keep dragging her in "dicussions", BBC or anywhere INCLUDING THIS THREAD (Cllr's light hearted comment excepted - he could not have known Lizzie would attempt to use it and "Poor Kate" as an excuse for another "what they say on the BBC" festival). |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 01 Jul 06 - 06:55 AM From George: "Ah - Sidmouth. I'll be there, and no, I am not paid £500. Not even 1/xth of that. Come along on Saturday for "teatime with me" (honest, that's how it's billed!) and we'll do it for the fun of it." Are you doing a full cream tea George? I'll bet it'll even beat the cream teas in Fields or The Clock Tower Restaurant! And....talking of The Clock Tower...here it is....the cakes in there are what Meg Ryan was eating in When Harry Met Sally..MMMMmmmmmmMMMMMMOOOOOHHH! Oh! ;0) http://www.woodlands-hotel.com/PICT0023.jpg And here to whet your appetites even more is: http://images.google.co.uk/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&safe=off&q=Sidmouth&btnG=Search And LOOK!!! It's all those people 'not dancing in the ford!' Press the middle photo: http://www.vrsidmouth.co.uk/ Right....I'm away to the beach! (sorry guys, that's a bit mean of me isn't it!) ;0) Lizzie :0) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John MacKenzie Date: 01 Jul 06 - 07:01 AM The mean bit is that you'll be coming back to gush all over the Mudcat again. No, in common with many people I haven't seen when Harry Met Sally, but then again you always assume that other people share things with you that they don't. I never saw Jaws either, but as you're going to the beach I can only keep my fingers crossed! Giok |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 01 Jul 06 - 07:16 AM I saw Jaws in France where it was called Les Dents De La Mer. I haven't seen The Mouth Of The Sid . . . but I've heard it. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 01 Jul 06 - 07:18 AM I thought the Tea with George was in the War Memorial Club so I'm not sure if they do "cream teas". I do know that they have a bar though. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 01 Jul 06 - 07:19 AM Ooh! I've not gone yet John. You sound a *such* lovely man! I think I may even put you in my Swoon Book!! You *haven't* seen When Harry Met Sally??????? Ah well....that'll be what the trouble is then John! ;0) Have a lovely weekend, you cosy, gorgeous, charming little chappie! Oh...and the sharks are already under orders to hunt for Sweetums I'm afraid, you should have booked them earlier! They're nearly as popular as Show of Hands you know....Book Early! Book Early!! ;0) Do you know John....you sound just like Folky Grim from the Radio 2 board....another of my 'heroes'!! Ah Me...Ah My....How lucky can a girlie get! TWO Beautiful Spirit Boysies! And now....I really AM going down to the sparkling waves....so I'll leave you to........... Lizzie :0) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,NicP Date: 01 Jul 06 - 07:21 AM People keep asking me why I rarely post to message fora. See Above! |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John MacKenzie Date: 01 Jul 06 - 10:04 AM I do hope that any shark that might consume LC, is not a diabetic shark! G |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 01 Jul 06 - 10:11 AM 'Tis OK Johnnie Boy.....I'm the diabetic (truly!)....so the shark will be quite safe, for although my words may be too sweet for you...I survive on a diet of sugar-free wholemeal scones, thus balancing everything out! Although if you're really that worried, perhaps you should start an SOS appeal...Save Our Sharks! Actually, I was reading the other day that with all this global warming they are actually starting to head this way..... Fancy a swim Johnnie? ;0) Anyway, I've decided, after you comment a bit earlier..to put you in my Swoon Book under 'M'.....now then....let me see....Ah Yes! Here you are!! Miserable Maggot MacKenzie Yes....that should make you nice and easy to find when I next need to blow you a few kisses. Lizzie ;0) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 01 Jul 06 - 07:39 PM Giok, Just a whisper for your benefit - Marty's back - but he's wearing a dress! Gald to see you getting on so well this turn of the Merrygoround... ;-) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,Jon Date: 01 Jul 06 - 08:17 PM There have been occasions lately where I sort of thought I'd seen a ghost but not that of Marty. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Cat in Plymouth Date: 02 Jul 06 - 03:30 PM hi again guys! long time no speak, i know... i will be at SFW again this year - wooo! was most disappointed, however, to see that SoH weren't on the bill, and in speaking to them to find out that they weren't even asked?!? *sob* still, i'm going to be stalking the wonder that is Eliza Carthy for most of the week (did i say stalking - i meant "enjoying the concerts of") soooo excited!! mwah! Cat x |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 02 Jul 06 - 03:48 PM Cat....crossed wires somewhere I think. SoH were asked, but sadly they couldn't make it this year. I'm sure they'll be asked again next year though, so fingers crossed! And...as you say....there are so many *great* people to see this year, as indeed there were last year too. Great to see you getting so excited, getting near 'countdown' time now, not much longer! Hope you have a lovely time..although somehow, I just KNOW that you will! ;0) Lizzie :0) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Chris Cole Date: 02 Jul 06 - 06:31 PM And lost in the earlier bickering..... Hooray for the lemon lady. Her lemonade was fantastic last year and we'll be back for more this year. Honestly... my mouth is watering at the thought. Will you be in the same place this year (near the kid's stuff and crafts)? |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Cat in Plymouth Date: 02 Jul 06 - 09:11 PM Hope you have a lovely time..although somehow, I just KNOW that you will! ;0) Lizzie :0) ---------------------------------- Thanks, Lizzie :D I'll be arriving in Sidmouth all fired up from having been to Cambridge so i'll probably be one of two things a) exhausted and falling asleep in the sun or b) bouncing up and down the esplanade like a loony - if it's 'b' come and say hi - lol mwah! Cat x http://www.myspace.com/TGA_Cat |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 03 Jul 06 - 06:34 AM Oh Puddy! I think, in this heat, the Lemonade Lady could sell out in an hour! PHEW!! My mouth's watering now as well..... And Cat, will certainly do that. Been over to your site....lovely 'friends' you have over there! ;0) Great to see SoH and Siddy Folk Week in Myspace at long last isn't it! You come and say hello too, if it's still this hot I'll be tucked deep into a bush somewhere....I've come to the conclusion that my cats have the right answer to keep cool....although those chappies who had their deck-chairs sat in the sea yesterday, whilst swigging their beer from their ice-packs, looked VERY cool! Perhaps that's where The Lemonade Lady should be this year....in the sea...then we'd just have to stagger over to her from our Mermaid Chairs. Lizzie :0) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Steve in Sidmouth Date: 11 Jul 06 - 12:43 PM Rather too late to advertise it this year - but if anyone fancies a basic caravan instead of their tent, this link may help - also if anyone wants to pitch their caravan or motorcamper within a minute's walk of the Sidford village hall used for some of the social dances, then see the other link. Memo to Lizzie: I know it's going to be good weather Lizzie, so I guess there is no need for a waterproof caravan... hire of small caravan caravan or motorcamper space at Sidford |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,blether Date: 11 Jul 06 - 06:46 PM I can't wait for my annual injection of joy from the man with the very large trousers and several dozen morris sides - it all whizzes by in a blur of hanging baskets and suppers in the White Horse Cafe. Oh for a crab sarnie, a distant fiddle tune and an afternoon nap in Blackmore Gardens. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,Rumncoke Date: 12 Jul 06 - 11:14 AM It is strange to read some of the comments - although I was in Sidmouth for the whole week in 05 I was rushing from one place to another and having the best time ever, and did not have to pay to get in anywhere. I supose everyone has their own folk week and they are all different. This time it seems I have to try to fit in making Border Morris tatters and getting a kilt finished in my spare time. (I have spare time? Thats news to me.) At least the man I spoke to at the Rugby club offered to let me plug my CPAP machine into their mains at the club house this year. Maybe they were worried about finding I had expired during the week - I have sleep apnoea and the machine keeps an airway open for me. I can use an inverter and car battery for a weekend, but a week is pushing it. One less thing to worry about. Missing Sidmouth due to untimely death is not on my list of things to do. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 12 Jul 06 - 11:24 AM Eh oop people tis only three and a bit weeks to go!! I'll just have to contain my excitement till I get there won't I. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Herga Kitty Date: 12 Jul 06 - 03:45 PM Breton Cap (Dave) I expect to be singing in Sidmouth on 3 August.... MBS Kitty |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 12 Jul 06 - 03:48 PM Thats the the Thursday Kitty and I shall be there too. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Tattie Bogle Date: 12 Jul 06 - 08:23 PM Dave, Kitty, John B - I'll be there by Friday night: looking forward to it too - Middle Bar, Bedford, Concerts, workshops,the lot! - but most of all seeing old friends again! |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Barden of England Date: 13 Jul 06 - 02:46 AM I'll be there on Friday 4th. Really looking forward to it as always. John Barden |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Mrs_Annie Date: 14 Jul 06 - 03:39 AM I just looked on the calendar and it's only 3 weeks away. Time to start getting excited I think. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John MacKenzie Date: 14 Jul 06 - 04:45 AM I shall be there on Friday too. I'm doing the whole week this year, no Broadstairs (too hilly) Will be in Kingsdown Tail campsite again. Giok |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,Tom Bliss Date: 14 Jul 06 - 05:57 AM War Memorial Club Tues (I think) Manor Pavillion Wed - also Nancy and James and Emily and Hazel Bedford Thur - full band (inc Taffinder and Parky) - also John Dipper and Hector Christie. Think I'm doing one of those interviews with Lester Simpson, at some point too. then on to Dartmoor. Hope to meet some of you. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Magic Gillian Date: 14 Jul 06 - 06:11 AM I'm looking forward to Sidmouth lots. I was going to be there all week with one of our rapper teams, but we're not doing it anymore so that means I can have three days of holiday before Broadstairs. I hope you're right about the weather, Steve in Sidmouth. The last year that I was there I had lost my voice and it was so hot that we were all crawling out of our tents and under cars for shade. No complaints you take the sun where you can get it when you live in Newcastle! |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Essex Girl Date: 14 Jul 06 - 09:45 AM I'll be there on Thursday too!!! See you all there, Linda |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,folkfreak Date: 14 Jul 06 - 10:35 AM Just had a short holiday locally and heard that the Sidmouth Folk Week is very short of stewards, if they don't find more helpers before the start of the folk week, some events are in danger of being cancelled. Insurance cover will be invalid if adequate staffing can't be provided. See the website for details. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST Date: 14 Jul 06 - 05:56 PM If I could just correct the slightly misleading statement above. Sidmouth is not "very short" of stewards. They are merely ensuring they have plenty of reserves with a wide range of skills and that in the case of some stewards not turning up, for whatever reason (as happens with all festivals) that there are more than enough people on hand to cover. Anyone wanting to be a steward will be welcome, as the more willing and helpful hands there are to share the load, the better for everyone. You can also have your name added to the database for future years, should you want to. So, many thanks for your concern 'Guest folkfreak' but I thought it better to let you know the situation, there's no need to panic, but help will be much appreciated for the reasons stated above. Here's the site with all details on. http://www.sidmouthfolkweek.co.uk/index.html |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Steve in Sidmouth Date: 15 Jul 06 - 07:41 AM I've had quite a few complaints that the organisers don't answer emails especially about stewarding and campsite arrangements but it is all now being sorted out - just too much to do at once I guess. New laws apparently mean that stewards need qualifications (a working brain and some common sense?). Offered to help but told they have everything covered. Weather at present is HOT and getting HOTTER. Wall to wall sunshine and sparkles for Lizzie. If this keeps up, bring your desert survival kit. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Steve in Sidmouth Date: 15 Jul 06 - 07:47 AM And an umbrella, just in case. GUEST cannot be right that anyone and everyone can be a steward - stewards mean free season tickets, and free tickets mean lost revenue. Some festivals pick and choose from too many applicants. Others always need more. Strange. Sidmouth would welcome, I am sure, offers of help ad-hoc from people who have bought a ticket. That is what I have done - give the festival the cash they need and offer to help out as well. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Steve in Sidmouth Date: 15 Jul 06 - 08:22 AM Read all about it Read all about it - and does it make a difference from the usual 'cat lost up tree' headline in the now hugely expensive (40p) Toytown News!! allow time to load on a 56k modem |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Tattie Bogle Date: 15 Jul 06 - 04:00 PM Steve, The appeals for more stewards have reached as far as Edinburgh! I have bought a season ticket and CAN'T commit to the stated requirement of 4-5 hours a day as I am staying with elderly in-laws. Like you, I'm happy to do what I can, and have rattled collecting tins in the past (although I was told rattling is illegal!!) TB |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John MacKenzie Date: 15 Jul 06 - 04:45 PM Well I can help as long it's admin, but I'm not going through all the photo providing and form filling palaver. G |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Steve in Sidmouth Date: 15 Jul 06 - 07:40 PM Rattling a collection tin is certainly illegal - and that goes for buckets too. All that is allowed is to stand quietly, looking meek and deserving. You can be arrested for any display of enthusiasm for a cause. After all, this is England, Land of the Free. Heaven knows what happens nowadays to people who try to take out a library book using the wrong ticket. Never seen again I guess. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST Date: 16 Jul 06 - 04:48 AM Heaven knows what happens to people who try to just take out a library book, full stop. Books? Deeply dangerous things books, confiscate them all. As for enthusiasm, well, you can be hanged, drawn and quatered for showing a mere ounce of that in the folk world, let's face it! |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John MacKenzie Date: 16 Jul 06 - 05:46 AM Well I wonder to whom that Guest was referring? G. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,Jon Date: 16 Jul 06 - 05:47 AM As for enthusiasm, well, you can be hanged, drawn and quatered for showing a mere ounce of that in the folk world, let's face it! Bollocks, most of what happens in the folk world is driven by nothing but enthusiasm and love for the music. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Tattie Bogle Date: 16 Jul 06 - 02:26 PM Quatered? As in Quatermass and the Pit? (You have to be of a certain age to know about this - I was too young, but tried to watch it between the banisters when no-one was looking!) I thought Rattling was for snakes, bogs, Roaring Robin, gold jewellery, etc. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST, folkfreak Date: 18 Jul 06 - 08:49 AM As you can see from the newspaper article in the connection above, the folk festival is short of stewards and they need all the help they can get. I have checked back with my friend and he has confirmed this. He also said the person saying they have enough already is probably mischief making, though why they would want to do that is beyond me. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Steve in Sidmouth Date: 18 Jul 06 - 08:51 AM Latest internet newsletter states STEWARDS STILL WANTED (large RED letters too) but who knows what the truth is? Following the article in last week's local paper, the organisers have been innundated with offers of local accommodation for artistes - maybe the mention of £35 per night (above the going rate for B&B) had something to do with it? Finally, what a disappointment that the Sidholme hotel music room is not included as a venue for the social dancing - the venues in the working programme are now the same as last year, including the dreary youth centre at Manstone. All three venues are therefore a long way out of town - once again giving the feeling of 'two festivals' that was a prominent criticism of last year. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Steve in Sidmouth Date: 18 Jul 06 - 09:05 AM Here is the text from an email of about a week ago as sent by one of the senior organisers. Interpret it as you will!! I only offered to help before the festival so maybe the need is for more stewards during the festival. But what sort of stewards??? Hi Stephen Because of changes to the law and new codes of practice on venue security we're going to have to have different sorts of stewards this year. We've be in touch with most applicants now and anyone left will hear from us very soon. Thanks for your offer. I hope we've got everything covered now, but if not I know who to ask! |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST Date: 18 Jul 06 - 05:38 PM The sidholme was originally going to be part of the festival but the 'trustees' of the hotel decided not to move forwards due to probably licensing problems. The working programme will flag up 2 new evening concert venues for people .... please read before slagging off! |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: melodeonboy Date: 18 Jul 06 - 06:57 PM I shall also be at Sidmouth (for the first few days at least). John Barden tells me that the singarounds in the Bedford are excellent so I shall no doubt end up there, although I have to admit to being a little wary of singing inside a lorry! |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Barden of England Date: 19 Jul 06 - 02:07 AM If it was a lorry it would now be called 'The Vauxhaul'. You don't need a premises licence with permission for music on a moving lorry mind you. Still - hope you like late nights Kevin, Bedford sessions are like that. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John MacKenzie Date: 19 Jul 06 - 05:06 AM You could always sing Bonnie Army Lorry! G. I'll get me tarpaulin! |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Cllr Date: 19 Jul 06 - 08:24 AM Its certainly cramped for the ceilidh in the ford as well. Cllr |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: MBSGeorge Date: 19 Jul 06 - 09:26 AM From: GUEST,Guest - PM Date: 29 Jun 06 - 10:20 PM Countess Dick! I am digusted by this comment from "GUEST,Guest". If anyone does know who this is I suggest they give this person a good talking to there is no need to be so agressive on a thread about a folk festival. All the back and forth arguments further up this therad are unnecessary and if people want to swear at other please be vaguely polite and use *****. It is not pleasant! Now I've had my moan............. I will unfortunately not be able to attend the whole thing this year although wild horses wouldn't stop me from making it for the singing in the sea on Thursday with Teddy in tow. I look forward to seeing you all there. (apart from GUEST,Guest) Love to all George |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 19 Jul 06 - 06:44 PM Arriving in Sidmouth on Thursday afternoon, and camping on the main field at Kingsdown Tail. I usually get into the Bedford for an impromptu session on Thursday evening. Colin, the landlord, is quite keen on having a little get together as a rule. So if anyone wants to join in, do come along. I'll be there on Friday too, from 11am, meeting and greeting. Not long now. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 22 Jul 06 - 03:47 PM Don When you'm in t'Bedford on the Tursday some of us will miss you cos us be zinging in t'Anchor Middle Bar. Enjoy anyway! I may look in to the Bedford sometime during Folkweek but it will mean choosing between The Swan, The Dove and being sober enough after the Middle Bar session. Never the less I'll see thee about I hope. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST Date: 22 Jul 06 - 04:28 PM this festival sucks between sober and legless,glad i will not be going and my family too. ex patriot of sidmouth. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John MacKenzie Date: 22 Jul 06 - 05:00 PM We'll miss you as much as you miss us Guest! Giok |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 22 Jul 06 - 05:01 PM Guest, Are we not allowed to be jocular with people we know? If you have a point to make sign up (or log in) and be up front about about it!!! Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST Date: 22 Jul 06 - 06:01 PM Where is your sterwards??????.I expect they have gone to Whitby,lol. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John MacKenzie Date: 22 Jul 06 - 06:13 PM Oh dear, somedody hold me handbag while I laugh at our guest's sparkling wit! G. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST Date: 22 Jul 06 - 06:25 PM you dont realise john but i know you well. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Barden of England Date: 23 Jul 06 - 05:00 AM What's a'sterward' when it's out of bed I wonder? Perhaps the GUEST who seems to know people meant 'Stir Word' - which seems so much more appropriate. John Barden |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John MacKenzie Date: 23 Jul 06 - 05:42 AM Not in the biblical sense I hope Guest! G |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 27 Jul 06 - 06:20 AM Refresh And to remind those who have forgotten that it starts on Friday Aug 4th but some of us will be there earlier than that. In fact I believe that the Task Force start work this coming weekend Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 27 Jul 06 - 06:29 AM They do Dave! Any minute now....my town starts to get exciting! Will you all sing 'Shallow Brown' again? I LOVED hearing that song last year! Bring your sun cream....and your swimming cozzies...and your wellies...just in case...and your Show Of Hands Brollies! ;0) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 27 Jul 06 - 06:36 AM Lizzie Must remember Sun Cream. Don't want to swim so won't need me cozzie.And Middlebar people swim and sing in their yellow T shirts anyway. If it is wet enough for wellies and brollies I'll stay in the pub I'll be there from Tuesday (working on the campsite or somewhere) Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 27 Jul 06 - 06:43 AM How could I have forgotten the yellow lilo and T Shirts from last year...WOOPS! Ooh...if it's wet enough for wellies and brollies...I'm dancing in the rain Dave! PHEW!! IT'S TOOO DARN HOT!! Cue song.... ;0) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: George Papavgeris Date: 27 Jul 06 - 06:57 AM There are some changes to the programme (all positive, as far as I can tell). Now I have a Sunday concert (sharing bill with Devil's Interval, great!), and the Saturday "Teatime with..." is moved to Monday, plus 1 hour with Lester Simpson and the Songwriters' concert on Monday. But I'll be there from Saturday,and sticking my nose wherever I can. Also, checking the programme for the three days I'll be there, it looks like I'll be running like a headless chicken from venue to venue trying to catch so many wonderful acts. I am a Sidmouth virgin, and particularly glad to hear it isn't as hilly as Whitby (not many places are, I guess). What's the water like, Lizzie? Sandy underfoot, rocky or pebbly? Shall I bring my trunks and raise the sea level, or will I come out full of sea urchins and seaweed? |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 27 Jul 06 - 07:06 AM Hi George I clocked your spots in my prog and will probably look in to the War memeorial Club for a Tea with. Plenty of places you will enjoy. Look in to the Theatre Bar for Kittys session. And you will have heard of the Middle Bar and maybe the New Tavern (Newt). The Swan (garden)and/or The Dove between sessions in the afternoons. You will be spoilt for choice. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 27 Jul 06 - 07:11 AM Ooh George....I'm just off to phone the Sidmouth Herald....we don't have many virgins in Siddy these days...Government Policy I'm afraid! ;0) OK...We've pebbles George, sorry...unless it's low tide, in which case there quite a bit of sand on the main beach, mostly inbetweenn the Rock Islands (someone cue Lonnie)and the waves come in at right angles to each other...and they literally do a Mexican Wave..love that bit......or far more sand at low tide, up at Jacob's Ladder beach around the corner... We've no sea urchines, but there was a weaver fish or two apparently reported the other day, so bring your slippers....and we have mermaids! Up in the Clock Tower Restaurant, which has the biggest cream cakes in the world! You can work off the calories by climbing Jacob's Ladder to get up there George, no worries ;0) All the town is in the flat part. The water's freezing George....I think the polar caps are melting this way! If you see a man with a yellow lilo, singing "We're bound for South Australia" walking nonchalantly down the road, being followed by loads of other Yellow Robed Recruits....don't panic...it's all perfectly normal in Siddy! ;0) Oh...and watch out for that Jim Causley! ;0) And Dave....The Lighthouse Song....I loved that one too...you sang that with such passion, can I put in a request for that one as well... Don't mention the passion word though...Mackenzie's after me for being too noisy this morning! Shhhhhh! Don't tell him I was here....you know nothing! ;0) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 27 Jul 06 - 07:18 AM I will probably sing "Light from the Lighthouse" at some point Lizzie. The last time I sang it in this part of the world someone turned the lights out and I sang it by torchlight.(I can take a wind-up) Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: George Papavgeris Date: 27 Jul 06 - 07:27 AM Bagsy the bass counterpoint part... |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 27 Jul 06 - 07:31 AM You and the more butch Middlebar types George!! Probably Sunday lunchtime in the Anchor unless I am minded to do Blessed Quietness (My other Sunday song) Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 27 Jul 06 - 02:03 PM Hi George, Do try to make it to the Bedford, at some point in your full schedule. It's right up your street and we'd love to hear you. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: BB Date: 27 Jul 06 - 02:13 PM According to the local weather man, the sea temperature is actually at an abnormally high 18° - hardly freezing! Oh, and by the weekend, we shall have seen the last of the really high temperatures, he says. Barbara |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 27 Jul 06 - 02:39 PM Well, I don't know about that Barbara....but my friend Kati was fair freezing when she came out of the sea this afternoon...she's not a mermaid I hasten to add.... Deeply refreshing though! And I sat on the beach with my Show Of Hands Brolly up! Yes....the most perfect parasol! ;0) Great Dave...I'll look forward to that....and do you Middle Bar Singers ever record your song sessions, because you should you know. Oh yes! George singing as well....book me a seat! This could leave The Ham empty the rate we're going! ;0) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: George Papavgeris Date: 27 Jul 06 - 02:48 PM Thanks Don, I'll certainly pop into the Beford, Theatre Bar (on Sunday), and the Middle Bar, properly unstrung for the last one, i.e. sans douze-cordes (what a showoff). I hope your weatherman is right, Barbara. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 27 Jul 06 - 06:45 PM The beach is naturally pretty pebbly, but there's some sandy beach. I think that's probably sand trucked in by the council from time to time. The same goes for many of the rocks people clamber on. ........................... It's a great festival though. And this year with the season tickets back it'll be more the way it shouod be. I'll still miss the foreign dance sides though. I hope that in time that side of the festival will come back - perhaps with a different basis, relying more on the communities with different traditions from all over the world who are living in this country, rather than just on visiting groups from abroad. Only a week to go. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Herga Kitty Date: 27 Jul 06 - 07:00 PM George P - I'd be surprised if you didn't get a new song out of Sidmouth, red cliffs, shingle and all. (The beach is part of the Jurassic Coast.) The first person I heard sing "Light from the Lighthouse" was Maglan, in the Theatre Bar. I've heard she's over from St Helena on a visit, so hope to see/hear her in the Theatre Bar this year. Kitty |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST Date: 28 Jul 06 - 12:48 PM is it true the local paper says the council havent given entertainments licences to the marqees yet, and there are objections from locals? |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 28 Jul 06 - 01:11 PM Oh and I've just thought of another song....That lassie who sang the one with all the MMMM's in...Oh...what was it called...Marry Merry Mary Moggy...(!!!) ;0) I can't remember, but I remember my mouth was open in admiration for her when she sang it....it was wonderful! Hope she sings it again...apologies for not remembering her name, but then I can barely remember mine these days! All our own sand in Sidmouth by the way....The rocks arrived by JCB though. ;0) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Zany Mouse Date: 28 Jul 06 - 02:01 PM Lizzie: I think you're probably thinking of MGAS who has one of the best voices on the folk scene. She sings Mary Mack which has a load of Ms in it: "Mary Mac's mother's making Mary Mack marry me ..." You can't miss her - she is the one with very long curly hair. Rhiannon |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: George Papavgeris Date: 28 Jul 06 - 02:01 PM I don't know, GUEST 28 Jul 06 - 12:48 PM, is it true? Do you think I should cancel going, just in case? Thanks for the warning, I am glad you're there to mind our interests. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: BB Date: 28 Jul 06 - 02:35 PM George, it's good to find someone else who hates high temperatures - although I would have thought your background would have made you more tolerant than some of us. See you there, rain or shine. Barbara |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 28 Jul 06 - 03:04 PM Mary Mack! That was it! Thanks Rhiannon..... xx I've had every M word in the universe going round my head... From Muppets to Millionaires.... |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John MacKenzie Date: 28 Jul 06 - 03:44 PM Muppet! Hmm |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 28 Jul 06 - 04:20 PM Why of course....Muppet MacKenzie........MacKenzie! ;0) Now listen you.....I'm going to sneak into your Sidmouth tent one night and let your air bed down! Then....I may sprinkle you with itching powder....or pepper, depending on how much I'm chuckling at the time! And....you leave those Muppets alone! This world was a better place when Kermit and Miss Piggy were in charge! Hiiiiii YA! Oh! You are SO not going to believe THIS MacKenzie! I'm not sure WHY I'm so good to you after all that you say....but...here you are.....to get you in the mood for Siddy! ;0) http://www.myspace.com/kermit_the_frog1955 |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John MacKenzie Date: 28 Jul 06 - 04:30 PM Sorry Lizzy you won't find me in a tent, not at any price. G. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Herga Kitty Date: 28 Jul 06 - 04:51 PM I'm all in favour of recycling, but not when guests post tired messages from last year. If I've understood correctly, the licences for the marquees are issued when they're put up, and have been checked in situ. The Sidmouth Herald will have been published yesterday, so can a local tell us what this week's big story is (Lizzie)? Mc Grath - when you say "perhaps with a different basis, relying more on the communities with different traditions from all over the world who are living in this country" - I take it you remember the Polish dancers from Southampton, the Irish dancers from Yetminster, the Russian (Orlyk) dancers from Manchester, and the Punjabi dancers from Wolverhampton? Kitty |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: George Papavgeris Date: 28 Jul 06 - 05:41 PM Two hu... oh bugger |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John MacKenzie Date: 28 Jul 06 - 06:11 PM Oxi Giorgio. G. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 29 Jul 06 - 04:23 AM >>Sorry Lizzy you won't find me in a tent, not at any price.<< Ha! I'll find you MacKenzie! ;0) ...And when I do...I shall fill your sporran with giant ice cubes! I know how to 'get my own back' on a Scotsman! ;0) Lizzie (Rolling On The Floor With Giggles Smiley!) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 29 Jul 06 - 04:32 AM Kitty, this is from Page 2 of this week's Sidmouth Herald: "SPECTACULAR CLOSE TO FOLK WEEK 2006 Sidmouth Folk Festival is set to close this year with one of the town's biggest-ever firework displays, writes Kingsley Squire. Financed by local businesses and traders, who have joined forces in a united front of community support, it will take place on the last night, Friday August 11th. Colin Pyne, joint proprietor of The Bedford Hotel, who has been collating donations, believes the willingness of traders to contribute underlines an upsurge in the goodwill generated by the festival since its re-launch two years ago. "Sidmouth, in a sense, has now got its festival back," he said this week. "Instead of being focused on The Knowle, it is now right here in the town, much to the benefit of local businesses. Without local sponsorship and support, which is the lifeblood of the festival, it might not be able to carry on. So we are more than pleased to play our part and put something back. The organisers have spent a vast amount of unpaid time in putting the whole thing together. Without their dedication it wouldn't happen. They certainly deserve our support." The business initiative in raising £2,000 for the fireworks display was welcomed by festival co-director Barry Lister. "Wonderful," he said. "It's a tremendous effort, which reflects the support we are getting from the community. It is especially nice this year to see how many concerts are sponsored by local businesses. There are always one or two disappointments when it comes to sponsorship. We still have some way to go. But overall, we are very pleased." Businesses contributing to the last night firework display are The Bedford Hotel, Anchor Inn, Black Horse, The Bowd, The Ship Inn, The Marine, Potburys, Devoran Hotel, Radway Inn, The Swan, Stags, Ian Winchester & Son, Glyn Hewitt, Bedford Car Park, Sue's Pantry, Tudor Rose, Shaul's Bakery, Home and Hardware, Haymans, Royal York & Faulkener Hotel, Upper Crust, Dukes, Delderfields, Elizabeth and Kingswood Hotels, Prospect and Mocha Cafes, Salcombe Regis Caravana and Camping." MUSIC, DANCE AND SONG -WORKSHOPS FOR ALL Sidmouth Folk Week, August 4/11 has enough this year to keep even the keenest student busy, with nearly 250 workshops providing almost 350 hours of opportunity, taught by some of the leading artists in the music scene. There are workshops in dance, music and song for beginnners and experienced performers, and from toddlers to grown-ups. In short, something for everyone! For musicians there is the ever-popular Festival Big Concert Band with John Kirkpatrick, and the Festival Big Ceilidh Band with Nick and Mary Barber, plus you can hone your skills in workshops covering everything from Concertina For Beginners with John Dipper, to Band Arrangements with Cross Current, and all points in between. Brand new musicians and more experienced performers will all find something to keep the busy, with workshops for melodeon, cello, fiddle, bodhran, guitar, mandolin, banjo and much more. For singers, Sandra Kerr will be leading the Festival Choir, plus there'll be workshops on harmony singing, including one especially for new and aspiring unaccompanied singers from Graham O'Callaghan. What's more, there is an extra special one-off workshop for snorers from Alise Ojay, who has developed an effective treatment technique involving singing! For dancers of all ages, the exciting and vibrant Morris Offspring will be running a series of workshops. EthnoEngland are offering plenty of activities all week for teens and early twenties, including a workshop with Jaswinder Singh exploring Bhangra music and dance. There are more workshops in everything from American Appalachian and Cajun dance all the way to Eastern Europe. As if that weren't enough, there are story-telling workshops from some of the country's leading story-tellers, craft workshops, workshops especially for younger ages, and a special workshops for musicians, singers and dancers to come together in Maypoles And Mistletoe, to produce a fantastic folk musical." Heck! That sounds SO good I might just go!! MacKenzie...I've booked you in for the Snorers Sessions (I'm merciless aren't I! Chuckle!!) ;0) And I'll also be watching out for Secret Snogging during the Mistletoe and Maypoles Sessions too....after all, this IS Sidmouth and we don't want any of that Hanky Panky going on, under the guise of Folk Music! Strictly forbidden in Siddy you know! ALL THAT..................AND.........COOPE BOYES & SIMPSON AS WELL! Ohhhhhhhhh!! ;0) How LUCKY can a town get? Lizzie :0) PS...I'm just off to try and find where they're hiding the mistletoe 'cos I've had a GREAT idea......... |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 29 Jul 06 - 05:23 AM Lizzie, No Hanky Panky?? You are too late dear girl its been going on for years and there are some people around here whose long term relationships and marriages started at Sidmouth!! Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST Date: 29 Jul 06 - 05:26 AM And let's face it - some have ended there as well. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 29 Jul 06 - 05:31 AM There's that Guest again!! Positive as ever! |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 29 Jul 06 - 05:58 AM Gadzooks Dave! Do you mean to tell me that The First Week In August is actually Hanky Panky Week? |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 29 Jul 06 - 06:02 AM No Lizzie it's Folk Week. But when they are not singing, playing, dancing or going to C B S concerts they have to find something to do with their time :-) Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Cllr Date: 29 Jul 06 - 06:21 AM well its raining here in sparkling sidmouth and my brother is just on his way down to visit. Ho ho ho Gearge I hope you will come and visit Cllr |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 29 Jul 06 - 06:29 AM Cllr Are you down there already Mike? There's keen for you. I'll be down on Tueday. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 29 Jul 06 - 09:54 AM I take it you remember the Polish dancers from Southampton, the Irish dancers from Yetminster, the Russian (Orlyk) dancers from Manchester, and the Punjabi dancers from Wolverhampton? That's precisely what I was remembering, Kitty, and I'd like to see that Sidmouth tradition extended and expanded. I'd like to see the whole range of living folk traditions in these islands feeding in to the festival. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,Rumncoke Date: 29 Jul 06 - 10:01 AM So how do we find out about what is going on in Sidmouth Folk Week? I downloaded and printed the 'Program' assuming that it would be like the one last year, but I just threw it in the bin - where are the details of the singing sessions, the workshops, all the 'goings on'? Is it back to the usual situation of no information available? I don't go to Sidmouth for the concerts, and last year was the first time I was trying to decide between different venues and having trouble finding time to eat - it was the best Sidmouth I ever attended. I am sure that everything has been organised, the timetable is done - so why is it not available? |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 29 Jul 06 - 10:14 AM Rum. Go to the website and download the Working programme. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Sue the Borderer Date: 29 Jul 06 - 10:31 AM The details are there Ann, and are really useful, but I can see you'd have had to wade through a lot first if you were downloading. Fringe - page 47 Workshops - page 42 This year there's a clear distinction between what is 'fringe' and what is festival - hence all the stuff gathered together on the Fringe page. But there are also programmed events which you could look out for - such as the Theatre Bar, the Volunteer and the Themed Sings in the Woodlands Hotel. Sorry, but I think you'll need to pull the programme out of the bin (assuming it's the same as the printed one). Many of the things you're interested in will be labelled 'Collection' in the right hand column. I'm sure it'll be a great week again. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,Rumncoke Date: 29 Jul 06 - 12:37 PM Duh - I had the Free program (still in the bin) - now replaced by the working program, lots more information. OK - now where is that highlighter pen.... |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: George Papavgeris Date: 29 Jul 06 - 01:20 PM I certainly will, Cllr! |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 29 Jul 06 - 01:41 PM One really silly thing is that they haven't reinstated the practice of attaching a list of appearance numbers to the section listing the artistes. That had always been one of the most useful features in the working probgramme. Dispensing with it is an example of the common re-organsising principle - "If it ain't broke, let's break it anyway". |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 30 Jul 06 - 07:19 AM McGrath, You may be right. You could always make this a suggestion for future years. Drop a note into the festival office or fill in a "Feedback" form (I think they will have something along those lines) Finally I think the whole festival was "broken" when Mrs Casey Music pulled out so (nearly) everything had to started again from scratch. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Steve in Sidmouth Date: 30 Jul 06 - 06:03 PM Quote from Lizzie: we don't want any of that Hanky Panky going on, under the guise of Folk Music! Strictly forbidden in Siddy you know! You may never have spoken a truer word my girl. I was at a dance in Bath recently and the subject of Sidmouth came up during a two hour 'bring and share' supper. Yes! Two whole hours to feast and then back to the dancing! However, I was told that the reason the Sidholme hotel music room was pulled as a venue for the social dancing was that whilst the local management of this Christian-run hotel was happy to have folkies (and their dubious activities) on the premises, the booking was quashed by national management. I don't know if it is true, but it was from someone who appeared to be 'in the know'. Very sad on two counts if it is true - as a friend said to me "how very un-christian". Also, Folk Week has lost (perhaps just for this year?) one of the best social dance venues it could have had outside of a proper marquee right in town. The other large hall - at Sidmouth College - appears still be to stymied by fire regulation problems - again so I have been told. This year then it is still two festivals - one in Sidmouth and with the social dances located one and two miles away. So much for the comments about Folk Week now being 'centred more in the town' than in the Steve Heap days when a fraction of it was all of a third of a mile away in the Knowle Arena! Does anyone else remember how central to the town atmosphere it was to have the social dances morning, noon and evening in the Blackmore Gardens and Church House lawn marquees? Mind you this is Sidmouth, where logic and truth take second place to befuddled vested interests. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,Liam Date: 31 Jul 06 - 09:50 AM Good article here on one of the Sidmouth headliners (Seth Lakeman) http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,14932-2286191,00.html |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 31 Jul 06 - 10:06 AM Ooh! That's good Guest Liam...thanks for that. I'll bet Seth is going to set a few fireworks off in Siddy, all on his own! ;0) Stevie Scarlett.....I'll bet they get up to all sorts of Hanky Panky in The Sidholme Hotel.....I live very close to it....and I've seen more than a few gardeners in there with a twinkle in their eye! ;0) ;0) Dance Stevie, dance! The Ham Marquee's going up! And Blackmore Gardens...and The Bulverton....sooooooo exciting! And my dear pal 'Pudlover' from above (and the Radio 2 Board) is about to arrive ANY second for a cup of tea and a natter.....all the way down from Scotland! Can't WAIT!!! Lizzie :0) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 31 Jul 06 - 10:27 AM Lizzie and Steve, My mother stays at Sidholme when she goes to Sidmouth for her hols (usually September). I understand that it used to be a Methodist Holiday Guild establishment. mum tells me that it is a quiet relaxing sort of place which perhaps reflects management policy - Quiet few days by the sea for pensioners. It is perhaps understandable why they don't feel they can open thier premises to the festival. Steve as far as I can see there sre only two venues that are out of town and I dont see why this is a problem to you - Don't you live outside Sidders anyway (quite close to the aforementioned two venues). My bags are packed and I pick up the hire car this evening and will be in Sidders tomorrow afternoon. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John J Date: 31 Jul 06 - 11:04 AM I've not been to Sidmouth for around 10 years, does anyone know if it is it possible to get week-long parking at the rugby club? My wife is registered disabled so walking any distance is a no-no. Thanks, John |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Steve in Sidmouth Date: 31 Jul 06 - 12:13 PM Apart from the convenience, the whole point about having the social dances IN THE TOWN CENTRE was and remains that they added so much to the atmosphere - they are events people could watch from outside the marquees and maybe they would get interested. Also, in good weather (here's hoping) you can thrash around at a dance, nip for a bacon bun or drink in town, nip to the beach for ten minutes, run back to Blackmore (as was) almost in time for the next scheduled dance. And if the one in Blackmore didn't suit, you could try the one in Church House Lawn instead - or do half and half. That is how it used to be - and the dance music filled the air all the way from the Triangle (central bus stop) to Somerfield. Now, you either get on your bike and cycle 2 miles to Sidford, or over a mile to St Frances hall, or walk for 30+ minutes, or take an expensive and infrequent bus (after treking to the nearest stop) and if the particular dance you selected doesn't come up to expectation it is another hike (maybe in the rain?) to try something else - and up to two miles to the sea and an ice-cream on the beach. For families with children in tow, the disparate venues must be a nightmare compared to other festivals where EVERY EVENT (and sometimes the camping too) is within easy walking distance of everything else. As I said, it is still too much like two festivals. Some people last year just commuted between the social dance venues and didn't go into town at all. I know this year of people who are centering their week on Sidford, St Frances and the nearby LIDL store, commuting between these two dance venues (well, two and a half dance venues given that Manstone Youth Centre is big enough to swing a hamster in). Many casual visitors used to poke their faces into the dance marquees in town and get interested. No-one does that at the out of town venues - there are simply no streams of people passing by. The current organisers may have done another superb job against the odds but don't let's forget what used to be. And (sheds a tear) there is no Kate Rusby in the Arena. Cue for a few words of comfort Lizzie? |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Barden of England Date: 31 Jul 06 - 12:34 PM John J - Yes, the Rugby Club are still doing their week long ticket so no problem. John Barden |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 31 Jul 06 - 12:42 PM Don't go dancing in Lidl's Stevie....They might sell you off as a Folk Week Special Offer! ;0) Actually, all this talk of thrashing around at dances and hanky panky at Sidholme may well make the tempterature reach sizzling degrees! It's certainly putting my temperature up, that's for sure! PHEW! Broadstairs will NEVER be able to match this! Quick Nurse...The Screens!!!! :0) :0) :0) :0) :0) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John MacKenzie Date: 31 Jul 06 - 12:42 PM Where is said Rugby Club? G. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 31 Jul 06 - 12:43 PM Aha....MacKenzie!!! THERE YOU ARE!!! ;0) xx |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John MacKenzie Date: 31 Jul 06 - 12:44 PM And how do I get a weekly parking ticket? G. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 31 Jul 06 - 03:18 PM Giok The entrance to the Rugby Club car park is in the lane that runs from the Manor Pavilion to the church and War Memorial Club. Or according to my prog that's called Coburg Road and the Club is in Heydons Lane off said Coburg Road. See you there. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John MacKenzie Date: 31 Jul 06 - 03:57 PM Does one take the car there and leave it for a week or can you take it in and out as required? Giok |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Barden of England Date: 31 Jul 06 - 04:04 PM And you just pay for the week at the entrance and they give you a big season ticket. Hope to see you in 'The Bedford' John Barden |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Barden of England Date: 31 Jul 06 - 04:55 PM Giok - you can go in and out as they always have spaces for those who have paid for the week. John Barden |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John MacKenzie Date: 31 Jul 06 - 05:23 PM Thank you John, see you there no doubt. G. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Ruth Archer Date: 31 Jul 06 - 05:36 PM Can anyone advise on the best accomodation options for someone who has not been very good at their forward planning? This is my first Sidmouth, and I am quite clueless. I'll be down on Monday evening and leaving Thursday in the day. Which campsite is closest to all the action? Will I get a pitch at this late date? Is there any B&B still to be had? |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Barden of England Date: 31 Jul 06 - 06:16 PM Joaniecrumpet - B&B would be almost impossible I would have thought although you could always try 'The Bedford Hotel' (not cheap mind). I would have thought you would be able to get on the official campsite at ther Bulverton on Monday night probably. Try this link and have a look around the site http://www.sidmouthfolkweek.co.uk/ John Barden |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 31 Jul 06 - 06:51 PM Joanie, you could always try ringing the Sidmouth Tourist Information on 01395 516441, they may be able to help find you some B&B accommodation. I hope you're able to find something, and also that you have a lovely time! Ham Marquee is all up now....ready and just waiting....... Lizzie :0) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Ruth Archer Date: 31 Jul 06 - 07:20 PM thanks both. I think i'm going to try for the official campsite, providing there's still space...wish me luck! |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Rumncoke Date: 31 Jul 06 - 08:36 PM If you pay for the week you get one day free - or that was the case last year - the Rugby club is really handy - hot showers always available for 50 p a go, once you have a ticket you can come and go as you like - though I think it is always wise to tell the stewards that you'll be back, particularly if you would like a place close to the exits. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Tattie Bogle Date: 01 Aug 06 - 08:55 PM The map in the programme is slightly misleading in that it shows Heydons' Lane running right through to the Unitarian hall: the driveable bit terminates at the Rugby Club: thereafter, it is only a footpath, which runs past the Cottage hospital! And I'm surprised thay don't show the Health Centre and Cottage Hospital, both of which may be needed during Festival week by some! Both in close proximity to the Rugby Club. A bit tight getting into Heydon's Lane, but always well stewarded as is the rugby field itself. The public library, next to the Health Centre, allows free internet access for up to 30 mins (thereafter you pay) for those who cannot bear to go a week without Mudcat or email! |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: BanjoRay Date: 02 Aug 06 - 09:04 AM I'll be a fairly immoveable object in the Old Time session in the right hand bar of the Bedford most of the week, mostly playing banjo or maybe a bit of bad fiddle. Cheers Ray |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Barden of England Date: 02 Aug 06 - 09:47 AM I'll pop across and see you BanjoRay - I'm in the main bar normally. I'll be there early Friday. John Barden |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: George Papavgeris Date: 02 Aug 06 - 10:31 AM Breaking news: I will be bringing along Martin Pearson, the Aussie singer and raconteur of whom Keith Donnelly recently said "He is funnier than me!". If you were at Warwick or Festival at the Edge this year you'll know what I mean. Martin will be there Saturday-to-Monday inclusive, like me, and will be dropping in on singarounds, folk club sessions, open mic sessions etc. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Barden of England Date: 02 Aug 06 - 10:49 AM That's great George - I assume that's THE Martin Pearson of 'The Almost Legendary Wine Bar Breakfasts'? Sidmouth was where John Thompson, Nicole Murray and I first met when they were over here for that long 18 months in 2003, and they stayed with us for a few days the following year, hence my copy of Vol 1 & 2 of the Breakfasts. I hope you can got Martin to come into 'The Bedford Hotel' bar - I have just got to hear that wit live. John Barden |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: George Papavgeris Date: 02 Aug 06 - 11:17 AM Indeed it is he, John - I have the two breakfast volumes volumes too. Plus - you just have to get his double CD of "The unfinished spelling errors of Bolkien"! Plus, Martin recently formed a trio - the MP3s, aptly enough -, with whom he recently released an album; it's "straight", a great selection of songs brilliantly performed. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Barden of England Date: 02 Aug 06 - 11:20 AM I've just got to have that - I hope he's bringing some with him |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 02 Aug 06 - 02:21 PM Ah well, it's here at last. On the road at 6am, about 11 hours from now. Another ten days of singing, playing, and drinking. It's a tough job, but somebody's got to do it. See y'all on the twelfth, except them as is down there. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Barden of England Date: 02 Aug 06 - 03:58 PM I'm off at 5:15 am on Friday - see you there Don. Jan the Van (Jans Blackboard Van) wanted to know if there's anything on Thursday and I suggested the you may very well be in 'The Bedford' on Thursday evening. John Barden |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,Tom Bliss Date: 02 Aug 06 - 04:22 PM And on Thursday at the Bedford.. Some pig-stealers |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Herga Kitty Date: 02 Aug 06 - 04:30 PM Yes Tom, but the Piper's Sons are on Thursday 10 August. I think there's going to be a session in the Bedford tomorrow, 3 August. Kitty PS - Don T, will see you in the Bedford tomorrow night if you're still playing when I get back from the Ancbor! |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Tattie Bogle Date: 02 Aug 06 - 04:39 PM Leaving Friday morning, hopefully there by evening (8hr drive if we're lucky!) BTW, I saw "Cloudstreet" (John and Nicole) in Edinburgh a month or 2 ago: asked if they were coming to Sidmouth again, but they're flying back to Oz very soon, so probably won't fit it in. We had a great night with them in "The Wee Folk Club" - only holds 30 people. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Barden of England Date: 02 Aug 06 - 05:04 PM Now that's strange - mentioning Cloudstreet and on comes Tom Bliss, who along with Tom Napper I saw last year in Broadstairs on the very same venue as - - - Cloudstreet. I'll try to get to see you Tom (or is that Toms?) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: vectis Date: 02 Aug 06 - 06:24 PM Van packed and ready to roll at sparrowsfart tomorrow. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,Tom Bliss Date: 02 Aug 06 - 06:26 PM Tom Tom and The Pipers Sons - (Tony Taffinder and Chris Parkison) - since you ask, Barden. As it happens we actualy formed the idea when John and Nic joined us on stage, first at Bromyard and then at Broadstars (plus Johnny and Vikki too)! You can do SO much more with four :-) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: vectis Date: 02 Aug 06 - 06:29 PM Oh and yes Lizzie the duel is on, see the other thread! See you in the anchor? |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Bonecruncher Date: 02 Aug 06 - 06:56 PM Just a reminder to all that my Osteopathic Clinic will be on the main camp site, mornings 9 - 12. Free treatment for official performers and stewards. Season/day ticket holders £10 no matter how many times you may need to come back. Colyn. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Moses Date: 03 Aug 06 - 05:08 AM It will be my first time Stewarding - wish me luck. I hope to make some of the singarounds and also catch up with George and Martin Pearson who I saw at Warwick and agree with everything that's been said about him. What would an evening with him and Keith Donnelly be like? Christine |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: George Papavgeris Date: 03 Aug 06 - 05:50 AM Stop drooling, M! But you're right - such an evening would be a sure cure for the blues. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Ruth Archer Date: 03 Aug 06 - 07:54 AM One more tedious question before I can get truly excited: I'm arriving on Monday night (around 9pm) and understand from Box Office that my season ticket and camping pass will be held at the main campsite for me. Will there be a steward ore campsite manager about at that time who can hand them over to me? And where should I go to retrieve them? Box office couldn't really give me much help, so I thought you seasoned pros might have a thought or two... |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: George Papavgeris Date: 03 Aug 06 - 08:09 AM There should indeed be someone there till quite late, jc. Though I wouldn't envy you setting up after dark... Shame I'll miss you (leaving first thing Tuesday) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Barden of England Date: 03 Aug 06 - 08:18 AM There will be someone on duty - so that shouldn't be a problem |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Ruth Archer Date: 03 Aug 06 - 12:43 PM "Shame I'll miss you (leaving first thing Tuesday)" perhaps you'll join me for a small sherry in the LNE, George? :) Thanks for your advice, both - I don't envy me putting up in the dark either, but it's better than waiting till the morning to come down and miss another half day... |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: George Papavgeris Date: 03 Aug 06 - 12:52 PM Drinks at the LNE it is! |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 03 Aug 06 - 01:46 PM Come on guys! HURRY UPPPPPPPP! It's been boiling today....the deckchairs are filling up fast, the coaches are rolling in, the travellers have arrived and their dogs too....the sea is clear, the tide was right out earlier on....and filled with happy swimmers...the cues for the ice-creams is long....and dripping... And tonight, we're off to watch the Morris Dancing in The Market Square! George...bring your cozzie! ;0) OH...MY TOWN IS ****FINALLY**** COMING ALIVE! BRIGADOON IS HERE ONCE MORE!! YIPPPPEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!! Lizzie :0) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: BB Date: 03 Aug 06 - 02:55 PM Watch out if you're there tomorrow - the local Beeb news is threatening to be there. Of course, look out for them if you want to be on the telly. Me, I'll wait till Sunday. Barbara |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Tattie Bogle Date: 03 Aug 06 - 03:46 PM Och, Lizzie, if it's Brigadoon, I'll just stiy up here in the Hielan's! Brigadoon would put some folk aff!! Just looked at the 5-day forecast for Exeter area and it's mainly SUN!! Off to pack my yeller T-shirts, black dress (for DGD), cozzie and multifarious instruments. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: George Papavgeris Date: 03 Aug 06 - 04:14 PM I was offered a multifarious once, but it was too expensive. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Tattie Bogle Date: 03 Aug 06 - 07:12 PM I just wish it was a Castagnari, George! I'll be the one drooling round the instrument-sellers' stalls!They ARE too expensive! Hope to see you in the Bedford or at one of your performances. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Tattie Bogle Date: 03 Aug 06 - 07:16 PM P.S. Excuse me while I grab my son's trumpet and play the Last Post i.e Last Post before I shut down the pooter and head for Sidmouth later this morning! Yippee................I'm on my way ........................!! |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Mrs_Annie Date: 04 Aug 06 - 04:16 AM We're leaving after work today. We'll get as far as Chippenham tonight, then leave early in the morning to hopefully get there by 12 and catch the Dartmoor Pixie Band. Glad you've got the weather organised Lizzie, it's been grey and wet here most of the week. Sun, beer and music, my ideal holiday. see you all soon!! |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: BB Date: 04 Aug 06 - 03:09 PM Weather not looking good for the start of the week, I'm afraid. Looked great on the telly tonight though - Derek Schofield dancing with our local blonde (and single!) presenter to Bloatertown Band, amongst other snippets. See you all there from Sunday. Barbara |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: HipflaskAndy Date: 06 Aug 06 - 04:48 AM George leaves Tues... I arrive Wed.... Fate, eh, George. Just have to have a jar or two together somewhere else then. Hugs - Duncan |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Folkiedave Date: 06 Aug 06 - 02:33 PM Derek Schofield dancing with our local blonde (and single!) Babara would you please be kind enough to throw a bucket of water over them? We will never get the EFDSS magazine produced if Derek starts directing his energy into that sort of thing. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Mr Red Date: 08 Aug 06 - 07:59 AM Hi FolkieDave didn't see ya there. Well Mr Red enjoyed his short stay, First time ever there! |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Mr Yellow Date: 08 Aug 06 - 08:01 AM so did Mr Yellow! |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Mr Yellow Date: 08 Aug 06 - 12:42 PM So did Ms Yellow |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: vectis Date: 09 Aug 06 - 12:28 PM Had to come home earlier than I would have wished (poorly car) but enjoyed myself. Saw quite a few catters, had some good sings, a decent session or two but no dances. Morris dancers on the front were a rare species this year, where did they all go? Missed too many people including Lizzie C. I'll catch up with some of you for a decent natter and a drink or several at Broadstairs and Whitby. Mary |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: *Laura* Date: 12 Aug 06 - 12:21 PM just got home from another brilliant Sidmouth. Hope everyone enjoyed themselves and if any of you asked me stupid questions on the cd stall then I hope your records are scratched and won't play :-p. Of course - I know it's not the Mudcatters who ask stupid questions really... I love Sidmouth xLx |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: mikefromdorch Date: 12 Aug 06 - 04:24 PM Where are you all? I have less far to go home than most, I suppose. I'm slowly coming down after a great week and hoped to relive it here. What was really good was listening to so much music in venues that didn't need mics and amplifiers. While Waterson Carthy and Coope Boyes and Simpson, not to mention the amazing Devil's Interval, were very good in the Ham Marquee, the sound was rather cold and hard. It was the smaller venues, the Manor, the War Memorial Club, and the Woodlands, that really had the best sound and atmosphere. It was the first year the WMC have taken part in the festival - let's hope they found it worthwhile and will be in next year too. Talking of good acoustics, I spent a lot of the festival in the church, stretching myself vocally and musically in the West Gallery choir. It all came more or less right in time for our spot in the Blackmore Gardens on Friday and sent me home with a sense of achievement. The same I hope was true of the other 380 or so who according to Eddie Upton took part in the one or more of the workshops. That is one of the things I like best about Sidmouth. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Cllr Date: 12 Aug 06 - 04:43 PM i am still here and barbecuing in the backgarden listening to the wurzels well i tink thats whats ecoing in the valley fabulous week as usual Cllr still jolly chuffed that we raised £1362,15 for the sidmouth lifeboat. hardwork but i enjoyed it, champagne Carol and i got our picture in the paper! |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: ConcertinaChap Date: 12 Aug 06 - 04:56 PM Well, not vintage, but good. Certainly a lot of good will sloshing around that had disappeared in the Mrs Casey days. Let's hope the current (what do I refer to them as? The holding company? The great and the good?) can build on this. Very glad to see the return of the collecting tins. Highlights for me: lunch times in the Radway (laid back and some splendid music), the firework display (somebody paid a *lot* of dosh for that) and an inspirational workshop by Crucible. Chris |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Barden of England Date: 12 Aug 06 - 06:02 PM I've just got back from a fabulous week. Met old friends and made some new ones too. mikefromdorch - My wife was stewarding at the War Memorial Club so she'll be pleased to hear you liked the venue. I've at last met Lizzie so 'Hi Lizzie' it was really good to meet you at last. All the concerts seemed to be well attended and the sessions too. For me a couple of memorable ones in the garden of 'The Swan' in the lovely weather we had, a very nice Saturday night in 'The Dove' and of course my sessions in 'The Bedford'. Boy were we heaving in there all week, and as usual not a single bit of trouble. Sidmouth really is alive and kicking. Long may it continue. John Barden |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: ConcertinaChap Date: 13 Aug 06 - 04:29 AM If your wife was one of the two on the door at the War Memorial Club on Monday morning when I arrived asking for a workshop season when they hadn't been issued with any, then my thanks to her for handling a potentially tricky situation effectively and with grace. Chris |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Barden of England Date: 13 Aug 06 - 04:37 AM My wife was the one there on Monday morning, and she related that tale to me. One of her many special traits is her ability to handle just those sort of situations, and she normally will get them sorted to everybody's satisfaction. Once again I'll let her know - she'll be pleased. She was the one with the short hair by the way and I consider myself lucky to have 'captured' her those many years ago. A lovely lady. John Barden |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,Spambuster Date: 13 Aug 06 - 08:31 AM John Barden, a self-confessed capturer of 'ladies' thinks Lizzie Cornish is a person? This is surely the cyber equivalent of anthropomorphism and a sad delusion. The phenomenen is merely a virus progam created for mass spam generation. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Mrs_Annie Date: 13 Aug 06 - 09:21 AM We got back last night, but i was too tired to switch on the computer. A really great week, even better than last year. John, I saw you every day in the Bedford but never got close enough to say 'hi'. Friday night in there was manic but brilliant. Lizzie mentioned she'd met you at last. I got to meet George, and I'm listening to his CD now -lovely. Highlights - the really nice people we met in the queues, the Manor Pavilion concerts, Chris Wood & Andy Cutting, the lovely local beer in the pubs, the late nights at the Swan after Ham concerts, the really nice hotel we stayed in after our self catering let us down, the Bedford of course, the weather, just spending a whole week with people who think like us and like the same things as us. Lowlights - missing the ceilidh in the ford, the lack of information / confusion for the first couple of days, not getting to see everything I wanted (that would've meant missing my beer) having to come home. I want to go again now. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Barden of England Date: 13 Aug 06 - 10:35 AM GUEST,Spambuster Yes - Lizzie Cornish as a person, and a very nice one at that. Me, a capturer of ladies?? - you obviously have not seen me on the flesh (not a sight to be inflicted lightly). I captured one of the best though, lucky me is what I say. Mrs. Annie - I'm sorry we never met properly, but as you say 'The Bedford' can be somewhat crowded at times. I put that down to the excellent music that eminates from everywhere in there (I don't include myself in that statemant mind you), the wonderful bar staff and of course Colin and Bev Pyne who put up with us all week. For my money there's nothing quite like a 'Bedford' session. John Barden |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 13 Aug 06 - 10:46 AM Still recovering from the journey home. Long and arduous with three grandchildren (are we there yet? I need a loo! NOW! etc.). Though I had to take it more steadily this year ( the ticker, still recovering), I still managed to run my voice into the ground, and found the experience as perfect as ever. Now looking forward to next year. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,James H Date: 13 Aug 06 - 12:21 PM Lizzie, were you at the Duncan McFarlan band on Thursday night at the Bulvrton & were you dancing? I thought it might be the type of gig to appeal to you, saw several people who I could have believed were you but am too much of a shy lurker to go and say hello to any of them.... James H |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Mrs_Annie Date: 13 Aug 06 - 12:46 PM Hi John, I did meet you at Ely, and you are a fine singer - we prick up our ears when we hear your voice. On Friday night there was a young fiddle player who was getting a lot of praise, please can you tell me who he was? Need to keep an eye on him. Anne |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Barden of England Date: 13 Aug 06 - 03:08 PM Of coure Mrs Annie - I remember now meeting you at Ely - as to the young fiddler he did say his name and I'm afraid I'm having a seniour moment; I think it was something like Graham Bradwell or something similar, but I completely agree, someone to keep an eye out for in the future. I think Elinor (the fabulous flute player with the red hair) mentioned that he joins in the sessions around the Bristol area. If I remember I'll try and contact her and come back with a name. John |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Steve Benbows protege Date: 13 Aug 06 - 04:13 PM Man I am tired. Had a great week though! It was good to see the bedford crowd again. It might be the last for a while because of the baby but we will see in time. George/John, it was a pleasure to spend time in your company. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: billybob Date: 13 Aug 06 - 04:41 PM We were only there till Monday, first time for 15 years, loved everything and have booked our b and b for the whole week next year,it was like coming home.Thanks for the lovely chat in the Bedford John, I will e mail you soon. Looking forward to next year Wendy |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Barden of England Date: 13 Aug 06 - 06:02 PM Steve Benbows protege - It was good to see you again. I hope the new addition arrives fit and well and wish you and your wife all the best. Please keep us posted when the new one arrives. Completely understand if you can't make it for the next couple of years, but it's always good to 'catch them young' so hopefully it won't be too long. John B |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Barden of England Date: 13 Aug 06 - 06:07 PM Hi Wendy - I'm glad you are going to be there for the week next year - it says that something is being done right if you found it good enough after a 15 year absence to do that. Look forward to hearing from you soon, and I enjoyed the chat too. John B |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: George Papavgeris Date: 13 Aug 06 - 08:16 PM We meant to leave early Tuesday morning. In the event, we got stuck in a session and left Tuesday evening, arriving home around 11:30pm. It was great to meet all the Catters, especially Peter and (properly) John B - even without the sloop. We had some great sessions, my concerts went well, chewed the cud with several people, and the culmination for me was the concert with Sandra Kerr, John Kirkpatrick, Mike Waterson and Lester Simpson; we had such fun back- and on-stage, we were all buzzing afterwards. By Friday we had turned around, washed the clothes, shopped for food for daughter, and were heading for Broadstairs. But still Saturday morning we were mentally back in Sidmouth. Yes, we fell in love. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Leadfingers Date: 13 Aug 06 - 08:32 PM Well despite my protestations (to some) that I couldnt get down , I got to The Newt Monday Midday and left after the Midday Thursday session ! Nice to see a few catters in the session - SB's Protege , Don , John and a few others ! Jerrry enjoyed himself , though he was getting a bit Sidders Throaty when I left !! |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Barden of England Date: 14 Aug 06 - 03:29 AM For the first time I managed to keep most of my voice for the whole week. Regular use of the inhaler and getting fresh air seemed to do the trick, and of course next year we will have the smoking ban in place - that's going to help me enormously. George Papavgeris - thanks so much for the inpromptu session that made you late on tuesday, I had a wonderful time listening to your great songs. Just one regret was not getting the singers name who sang the song about Van Gough cutting his own hair, and managing to cut his ear off - hillarious. Glad you enjoyed Sidmouth, it is a bit special. John Barden |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: the lemonade lady Date: 14 Aug 06 - 06:42 AM I had a good time selling lemonade in the Blackmore Gardens. Didn't see many of you guys there! Thought the Middle Bar looked thin on the ground every time I looked in. I did not enjoy my stay on the camp site. I should have followed thru my reservation at King's Down Tail but was persuaded to stay on the fest site. One of the biggest mistakes I've made over the years. Noisy buggers! Didn't get to sleep till past 4 am most nights/mornings. I won't be doing THAT again. I want a campsite where I can get out of a warm shower onto a clean floor at 8am and not have to wait till 11pm before I can wash. And get a decent night's sleep so that I can work the next day. Otherwise my red headed son and my blue headed daughter had a pretty good time. BBQ on the beach with the bodgers was the highlight for me. Thanks to Elizabeth for singing Schantieman's song specially written for the Middle Bar. She got a standing chorus and it was voted 'Very Sensible' in the silly songs sesh on Thurs. Needlesstosay Steve was bobbing on the briny. Sal |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Steve Benbows protege Date: 14 Aug 06 - 06:46 AM hey, that sidders throat is contageous. I have come home with it. I think it's more the crap comming out of my lungs from not being stuck in london. I returned home and remembered how bloody noisy london is and returned to a cop car outside my house as kids have been harasing my neighbours in the close. Oh to be on holiday again!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Essex Girl Date: 14 Aug 06 - 08:44 AM Arrived home Saturday afternoon to face a house where my 17 year old has been eating (at times)and not washing up or clearing up. Still after the wonderful week at Sidmouth I didn't care. Enjoyed my first time stewarding and know even more people now. Great weather, great music and great people, I couldn't wish for anything more. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Mrs_Annie Date: 14 Aug 06 - 09:00 AM I wanted to ask the Middle bar Singers what they thought of the 'bouncers' at the Anchor. Health & Safety my a**e. They seemed to be just looking for trouble. How come the Bedford can have people crammed in and spilling out the door with no issues? On Sat they were even stopping people going in the pub. That was it for us - didn't frequent the place at all. Totally against the spirit of the festival. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John J Date: 14 Aug 06 - 09:57 AM Re: the Anchor & it's security goons. I agree with your sentiments. This was my first visit to Sidmouth for 10 years, most of my waking time was spent in the Middle Bar where I had a great time. I felt that the presence of security guards was not at all necessary, in fact they were a bloody nuisance. I was particularly miffed at having my bag searched one lunchtime before they let me in the pub. Mind you it did contain my song-book. Perhaps the landlord will move, he clearly has no idea what 'we' are about. I would have thought it would have paid him to reaearch his customers....he would have saved a lot of money by not having the goons, he would also made a lot more money by selling more beer by not antagonising his customers so. My thanks to all for letting me sing in the Middle Bar so much. Best wishes, John |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Barden of England Date: 14 Aug 06 - 10:00 AM I did come down and buy lemonade from you at the Blackmore, and you were very busy (it was either Saturday or Sunday) otherwise I would have introduced myself. I never made it to the Middle Bar, but I understand that 'The Anchor' has been given a makeover, so perhaps it was that. John Barden |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Leadfingers Date: 14 Aug 06 - 10:20 AM Interesting that The Newt is the overflow bar for Carinas , and the only 'bouncers' I saw all week were on the front door , after normal pub hours , and a guy on the Fore Street entrance to let the musicians out ! The same way it has been for the last Umpteen years !! |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,Declan, still on holiday Date: 14 Aug 06 - 11:03 AM I had a woderful time as usual, mostly in the Bedford but with ocasional outings to the Ham Marquee, the Swan, the Anchor, the Old Ship and the Dove. I would like to echo previous comments about Colin and his staff in the Bedford, who seem to cope magnificently almost 20 hours a day with heaving crowds with good humour and good grace, and never any hint of trouble. It truly is a remarkable place. Also congratulations to all the organisers and festival workers, who seem to have preserved all the best bits of the fesitval and have got things up and running remarkably well in a short space of time. I'll certainly be back. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: melodeonboy Date: 14 Aug 06 - 11:19 AM This was my first visit to Sidmouth, but it definitely won't be my last! An excellent festival with a friendly atmosphere in a beautiful town. I shall come for the whole week next year. I had a great time at the sessions/singarounds, seeing old friends and meeting a lot of new people. Thanks, John B., for directing me to the Bedford; it's every bit as good as you told me. On the negative side, the beer at the Anchor was not up to scratch. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST Date: 14 Aug 06 - 01:37 PM To be fair to the anchor staff, it is a legal requirement for venues to have SIA qualified door staff at venues more than a certain size. There is a statutory safety limit on the combined Anchor bars plus Anchor Gardens (which resulted in people having to queue to get into the ceilidhs, one in one out). If the Bedford was ignoring the limits you'd better keep quiet about it or the authorities will be keeping a closer eye on it next time. As for checking bags, the anchor is a commercial venture, they provide the Middle Bar venue and the stage in the Garden free, so they don't want people taking in food and drink bought elsewhere. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: MBSLynne Date: 14 Aug 06 - 02:10 PM The security guys were there more because of the garden ceilidhs than anything...they get very packed at times. Despite several friends moaning about having been stopped from going in to the Middle Bar, I never actually saw a security guy on the door when I was going in and out. Sally, the second field on the campsite is the one which is supposed to be the quiet area. I discovered ear plugs two years ago and they are wonderful! My only gripe is about the bloody dogs! Barking, biting....they were a pain. Love Lynne |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Seaking Date: 14 Aug 06 - 04:33 PM Agree with you about the dogs Lynne, seems to be a problem getting worse each year, I was also saved by earplugs and handed out a few pairs to grateful neigbours. I had a quieter Sidmouth than usual but many highlights including some of the Ham concerts (Spiers and Boden in particular), busking on the prom with my three teenagers, Newt sessions, Kitty and Rosie's sessions and some spontaneous harmony singing with friends one night in The Ship. Thought the Ham PA was excellent this year. Biggest frustration was trying to get a song in the lunchtime session at the Volunteer despite having my name 'on the list' for three days. Found out afterwards this happens regulary if you're not known or don't have the password. Chris |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,Mr Bean Date: 14 Aug 06 - 04:36 PM Seaking thats how the Volunteer has worked since i started going to Sidmouth in the early 80's. Mr Bean |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Herga Kitty Date: 14 Aug 06 - 04:53 PM I had a great time, and maintained a longstanding tradition by coming 3rd in the Doom, Gloom and Despondency workshop. (The winner was Tattie Bogle.) Seaking - I'm glad you enjoyed the Theatre Bar singarounds, and thanks for the songs you contributed. Kitty |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: billybob Date: 14 Aug 06 - 06:11 PM Mrs Lemon, that was the most delish drink I ever had! Thank you for working so hard while we had a lovely time! Wendy |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Cat in Plymouth Date: 14 Aug 06 - 06:55 PM Crikey!!! what a brilliant week!!! highlights: Not being further back than third row for any of the gigs, Seth Lakeman, Spiers & Boden, Meeting Martin Carthy, Julie Fowlis remembering me from Cambridge, Finally meeting Lizzie *waves at lizzie*, Mrs Ackroyd Band, 'Women's voices', meeting lovely lovely people on field one, Great Western Morris (haven't laughed so much in ages) and many other things besides. Lowlight: the incredibly selfish man who decided he was going to stand on the wall to watch the procession and fireworks despite me asking very nicely if he wouldn't mind stepping down on to the road so that the twenty people stood behind him might see something. I couldn't see a thing and i'm quite tall. Many a rude word issued from my mouth when that happened... Grrrr. still, weren't the fireworks fab?! Absolutely can't wait til next year :D Cat x |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Gwenzilla Date: 15 Aug 06 - 02:57 AM I had a great time at my first Sidmouth and enjoyed meeting many people from Mudcat that I hadn't met before. Essex Girl was kind enough to take me round to lots of places when I first arrived, and I really enjoyed the harmony workshops with the delightful ladies of Craig:Morgan:Robson. I ended up settling into the comfy space of the Theatre Bar singaround at lunchtime and the York and Faulkner in the evening (with some space allowing for concerts and afternoons reserved for working for EFDSS), except for one memorably terrifying lunchtime outing to the Volunteer session, where I ended up following Mike Waterson and kind of wanting to sink into the earth afterwards. Thanks very much to everyone who made me feel so welcomed and brought home to me once again that no matter how much research I do and time I spend putting together memorable arrangements of traditional music-- people will always remember me as "the lady with the harp who sings songs about the fairies." |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: MBSLynne Date: 15 Aug 06 - 04:23 AM I was a bit disappointed that my two kids, who had planned to go to various workshops, couldn't actually get into any of them. It obviously needs more to spead the numbers a bit. The caterers on the campsite (Ed and Saph)were absolutely fabulous (sorry!) Really nice people who would get in almost anything you suggested, within reason. And the campsite bus service was the best yet and planning to get better next year. Love Lynne |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: SkiptomyLou Date: 15 Aug 06 - 05:54 AM Hey Guys, Heres to a great Sidmouth. My first year stewarding and on my own still had fun. Anyone see the Peatbog Faeries up at the Bulverton??? Weren't they great and Seth got to steward for his so saw most of it. If Mike's out there howdy from B's friend Emma you remember me... Em x |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John MacKenzie Date: 15 Aug 06 - 06:09 AM Well I got back yesterday evening, and looking back on it from a distance I enjoyed most of it. Had some good sessions in the Newt, Saturday afternoon in the Bedford was good too, but I couldn't get in there any day after that, too crowded and claustrophobic. I did get in one day and was standing on the fringe looking for a way in to find a seat where I could play, [can't stand up for long] and this stupid woman said "Excuse me but I can't see".... Silly Cow!!, I go to listen to the music not to watch it! So I thought 'Fuck it', and picked up my guitar and went back to the Newt where the company was excellent. Anchor was good but didn't have as nice a 'feel' as last year, and the music from the instrumental session in the right hand bar seemed to impinge much more than I remember. Swan was fun, but why oh why do people stand at the narrowest part of the entrance and make it difficult to get in and out? Didn't get to much else, as my walking is very poor at the moment, hopefully it will be better next year. I tell you there's nothing like hobbling along with a walking stick for making you notice how bad mannered and inconsiderate many people are these days. I can recommend the King's Down Tail camp site, OK it's a bit far out, but it's quiet and friendly, and Ian and Sue who run it are so very helpful. Giok |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: MuddleC Date: 15 Aug 06 - 07:51 AM Well, it was my first sidmouth, and despite spending a lot of it as a bulverton gate steward still managed to enjoy myself. Gripes.. I tried to attend the gegorian chant workshops held in the parish church..excellent acoustics, but marred by insufficient words and music sheets, no way can you sing by reading the script held by someone two rows in front, one row in front was possible, but without magnified binocular vision, you were still singing directely into someones ear. Other workshops I found to be more of a 'self-promotion' event than workshop, but after hearing tales of the anchor found that lacking on several fronts, the bar staff who served me up a couple of pints of suspect Thatchers and proceeded to make a real meal of changing it for me,( I stuck to my guns then, and got a full refund), the excellent irish and MBS sessions were marred by the lack of the old wall acting as a baffle to each other, and the garden party noise made MBS downright difficult to enyoy sometimes. The Dove sessions were small but beautifully formed (although I beleive it was an instument 'no-go' area), Ham marquee events were very good, as was LNE. The esplande was more akin to english football night in the spanish resorts, with the dross on sale, hawkers , pan-handlers , & buskers ...pushed 'folk-week' into obscurity. Well done to all the Morris sides who took part, how the 'rappers' didn't manage to have anyones arm or leg off in the tiny places they displayed beats me! As for the noise at Bulverton, having seen it from my stance on the gate at 8PM-12AM, 12AM-4AM, 4AM-8AM over several nights, I can tell you I was not impressed.. up till 2AM, I can understand, even staying up to see the dawn, but there didn't seem to be any consideration for others. Frankly , many of the people on the site I thought had no interest in folk music but were simply using it as a cheap campsite. Several groups of youngsters, and twenty somethings around me had 'boom-box' sessions of amplified 'head-ache music'. I would like to thank people for their perseverence with producing camping passes, you wouldn't believe some of the excuses and ploys some people had to get in without paying... you paid, why shouldn't they? The number of bits of paper, door passes, season tickets, camping passes, youth passes,priorty passes did seem ridiculous, especially since the issue of these things didn't seem to be resolved until several days in. If I had paid the full season ticket price, with extra to attend the ham events, and some 'independent' workshops (e.g.concertina), I wold not feel as though I had got my money's worth. The hours I worked , and with extra 'impromtu' stewarding, I feel I just broke even. Walking with the MBS 'troupe' into the sea was a highlight! Thanks to the person in the 'lean-to' tent for making it so enjoyable. It is the people you meet and mutually repect that make up for the shortcomings, oh.... and the music! |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,Vince Date: 15 Aug 06 - 08:02 AM Another great week in Sidmouth this year - Champagne breakfasts on the front, Bedford, Swan, Dove, Seaside, Sunshine - what more can you ask for? Can't believe Dan wouldn't let me take my ukulele this year, but that means I've got 12 months to practice for next year (You have been warned) Cheers to all those I met up with. See you next year Vince John B: re young fiddler, are we talking about the red-haired chap who spent a lot of time with the guitarist from Germany? i thought he was called Dave (but I have a terrible memory for names...) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,Gadaffi Date: 15 Aug 06 - 08:16 AM My apologies ought to go to Seaking and Mr Bean about The Volunteer sessions. I personally took on these when it became apparent that John Howson and Dan Quinn weren't prepared to continue them after 2004. I had no idea how they would go last year, and am humbled at their success and the kind words said to me as a result - and the signed marrow that was awarded to me on the Thursday! First of all, this is not a singaround. Nor is it meant to the preserve of any particular clique, although of course, the same people tend to come every day. That said, I have deliberately kept the same format that John/Dan evolved to differentiate it from equally successful sessions at the Anchor, Theatre Bar, Newt, etc. The use of a 'list' is an aide memoire since I really do have a bad memory for faces, and honestly try to give everybody a fair crack of the whip, regardless of gender, age, type of song, etc. etc. This is one reason why I have used a daily co-host, so they can widen that circle of recognition and make it more inclusive. I would like to welcome Sid Calderbank, some guy called Gideon, and Neil Brookes who came most days, waited patiently, and game storming performances when they performed, and I will extend the same welcome to Chris or anyone if they persist next year. It took me two or three years before anyone asked me to sing at the Volly, but thought that the robust nature of the singing so powerful an attraction that it was worth postponing my daily visit to the Radway to experience and ultimately share in this. Because this isn't a straightforward singaround - more of a quirky performance - I design the last half hour to include some of the singers who have brought so much pleasure to non-singing regulars and singing regulars over the years, people like Alan and Carole Prior, George Withers, Ken Langsbury, plus anyone from the 'booked' part of the programme (who arrive in the Volly NOT as part of their Festival contract). If you want to sing, get their at noon, introduce yourself to me (AND my co-host, thus doubling your chances), and trust to our limited powers of cognition. Disappearing into the garden or loo at crucial moments will lose you brownie points! Failing that, please enjoy whatever else you may decide to do in Sidmouth FolkWeek 2007 and thereafter. George |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Schantieman Date: 15 Aug 06 - 08:43 AM Sounds like fun. Sorry I missed it but, as Ms Lemon said, I was indeed bobbing about on the briny. See ya Steve |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Cllr Date: 15 Aug 06 - 08:53 AM Whenever I run a singaround or similar i always make sure that whatever rules i am using are announced whether it is twig rules and bench driven or simply a clockwise direction. It is worth it IMHO to make the audience aware. If they are under the impression that by waiting pateintly and haveing given an indication that the chance to sing will occur then understandably get annoyed if it does not happen. I only went to the volly on the friday night and it was a great session ( i actually indicated I didnt want to sing that night!) and i went to Rosie's session at the york and faulkner where i had my name taken and was then later asked to sing. On tuesday night at the midddle bar shanty session, which i run I regularly call out an abrieveated version of the twig rules as it is one on the busiest nights of the week. I can't comment on the other sessions at the volly 'cos i was only there on the friday but i will say from comments made to me (more than one person) was that the expectation was given that putting the name in the book would lead to a chance to sing that evening and this did not always occur. If it is explained that "If you want to sing, get their at noon, introduce yourself to me (AND my co-host, thus doubling your chances), and trust to our limited powers of cognition. " then people would know the situation. Incidently other singing sessions including MBS will jump to festival artists to allow them the chance as obviously there time management can be tricky. cllr |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Steve in Sidmouth Date: 15 Aug 06 - 09:21 AM Some initial collated comments - more welcome, but nothing will get updated for a few days. The Bulverton campsite seems to have been a real pain this year - lots of complaints about the noise. The Anchor has to have security people, but as many as eight??? Latest webpage observations on Sidmouth 2006 No-one is going to agree with every observation but please tell me if anything is actually wrong. It is only a first draft. Pics welcome especially of Fee Lock (!) and dancing in the Ford that of course did not take place. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: MBSLynne Date: 15 Aug 06 - 02:14 PM Whenever I run a singaround, if it's too big for me to remember who has sung and who has come in, I have a list on the door and give people songs in order of arrival. I ALWAYS make sure that eveyone gets at least one song and while I might change the order after the first round, I dole out songs as fairly as possible. Just for interest, if the Volunteer sessions aren't singarounds, what are they? I do have to agree, on the subject of noise on the campsite, that some of it was a bit above and beyond the normal. As the one who was blamed for noise (even if I wasn't there!), for years I do try to be tolerant of people partying and playing music (provided it's live) but the people who were yelling, screaming and shouting as late as 4.30am were definitely out of line. On the other hand, the social scene on the campsite was great. Love Lynne |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Herga Kitty Date: 15 Aug 06 - 03:31 PM Lynne The lunchtime Volunteer sessions are programmed as "In the tradition", and have always featured festival guests, particularly those from traditional sources. They've never been advertised as a singaround. I've never got to a Volunteer lunchtime session, because I'm involved in the concurrent Theatre Bar singarounds, which are intended to give a chance to anyone who wants to perform, and only feature festival guests if they happen to wander in, in search of a coffee or snack. Singers quite often come to the Theatre Bar for an early sing before nipping up to the Volly, or sometimes turn up because they couldn't get a sing in the Volly.... Gadaffi - Gideon is from Cornwall and I've met hin in the Middle Bar, and at Voice Tours, and he also came and sang in the Theatre Bar. Kitty |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Gwenzilla Date: 15 Aug 06 - 03:40 PM I thought the Volunteer session I attended was wonderful, even if I felt out of my league/depth when I got to sing. It was full-to-bursting with great singers and would have been well worth attending just to listen. I meant to go back on Friday, but then somebody wanted to talk to me about the fairies. It was that kind of week. I'm still knackered. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: AlexB Date: 15 Aug 06 - 03:41 PM I didn't actually mind the noise (those nights when I actually went to bed). I found that there was a steady stream of it, and that made it easy to ignore after a while. Had it been sporadic I would have agreed. It was my first real Sidmouth.. and to be honest, I don't know what to make of it, though I think somehow I committed myself to next year (and even if I didn't, I just know Alan will sucker me into it). |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,Annie Date: 15 Aug 06 - 05:49 PM Mr Bean - about the Volunteer hear hear! Gadaffi - There is no guarantee that being there before 12 and being on the list gets a person to sing and that still sounds rather like 'songs for the boys'! Mrs. Lemon - agree with you about the noise as folk need some sleep - historically the night stewards have politely asked the noisy late night revellers to finish at about 2am with no problems so don't know why this noise is going on so long now. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Herga Kitty Date: 15 Aug 06 - 06:03 PM Guest Annie - Oh well, I tried explaining why getting early to the Volunteer (rather than the Theatre Bar) wasn't a guarantee of getting to sing, but I seem to have failed. Kitty |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Bonecruncher Date: 15 Aug 06 - 07:34 PM Regarding noise on the Bulverton campsite, I was pitched almost as close as it was possible to be to the gate and, therefore, the noise from the catering area. Occasionally I was awakened by particularly noisy laughter or singing. On one occasion I was awakened at 03.30 by what sounded like an elephant with toothache! Then I remembered having seen someone carrying a tuba towards the catering area! Obviously someone with no knowledge of how to play it had been trying to get a tune from the tuba! So, turn over and go back to sleep! Generally I thought rather nice to have been lulled to sleep by so many people innocently enjoying themselves. The gate stewards did try to keep the noise down but I am sure most campers will understand that enforcement in such a situation is nearly impossible without appearing to be a wet blanket. Many people, too shy to stand up in a singaround, will "cut their teeth" singing in public in a group such as the laate sessions at the camp site. A couple of years ago I would have been part of that crowd. Not as a young man but near pensionable age! If things go well for me in my future operation I hope to be part of that same noisy crowd again next year! Colyn. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,Dazbo Date: 16 Aug 06 - 05:15 AM I enjoyed it, but not as much as two years ago. There was some late night noise in the part of the campsite where I camped but I always use earplugs when camping so it doesn't usually disturb me. It's the second time I've seen the Peatbog Fairies and to be honest (and sounding like my father) it all sounded the same after a few minutes. I'm sure the each time the piper played a solo it was the same bit of music as the previous solo. I really enjoyed Spiers and Boden, Van Eyken, Faustus, Crucible and Andy Cutting, Rob Harbron, Becky Price and Jon Swayne in the Manor Pavillion. I also really enjoyed Mawkin after the power failure and the Anchor Scratch Band after Tickled Pink were cancelled due to the rain. I only made it to a few sessions but didn't get to play (too many ceilidhs). The bouncers did seem to be a bit over enthusiastic at The Anchor and they certainly let in less people than they let in two years ago. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: fiddler Date: 16 Aug 06 - 08:10 AM Hi guys Just checked Steve in sidmouth web pages and emailed him this! ********************************************** Just checked it and the Ham page is singularly inaccurate especially as no workshops were held there this year! Other inaccuracies I can't be bothered with, if you can't get your fact right then the whole premise of your site becomes debateable rather than the issues it attempts to address! ********************************************** Some of the comments are correct and are being addressed or were addressed during the week! I am not open to discussion but am open to constructive feedback from anyone who went to the Ham this year. Andy |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Mr Red Date: 16 Aug 06 - 12:44 PM well there are a Heap of reasons I have not been till this year. I enjoyed it as much as I expected and more. Joy was wanting to forego a workaholic ethic and stay longer than 2 days - only aged parents and a wobbly dog disauded her from extending by half a day. Believe me - it takes a really good event to do that! As long as the organisers are comfortable with the way things went then they have my support - It is the first year I have advertised it on my website. (someting to do with entertainment visa vis Folk - I am a folkie, that's why) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: MBSLynne Date: 16 Aug 06 - 12:46 PM I do hope that people who have CONSTRUCTIVE criticism to offer will write to the festival organisers directly. They are on a learning curve...this is a new Sidmouth, not the same old festival and if they don't know that something is wrong or doesn't work they can't put it right. I expect they'd also like to hear what WAS right too... Love Lynne |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John MacKenzie Date: 16 Aug 06 - 01:20 PM Very few of the venues were disabled accessible, by which I mostly mean wheelchairs. Even the disabled toilet in the public toilet complex in the centre of town was locked. The whole town seems to be wheelchair unfriendly really. Giok |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: the lemonade lady Date: 16 Aug 06 - 01:47 PM my tent was pitched on the Wed previous to the fest and i really didn't know that i'd be in a noisy part then. I had no time or energy to move it when I found out about the noise. Most definately next year I shall be 5 miles away. Agree about the blasted dogs. Why oh why do people take them to fests when they can't get them into venues anyway? Thanks for the compliments about my drink. Good to meet you. x sal |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,folkiedave (cookieless) Date: 16 Aug 06 - 03:32 PM Many years ago in the mid-sixties at Sidmouth, the "Sheffield Contingent " were particularly noisy, especially a certain Mr. Gerry Bates. Bill Rutter was called at 3.00 am in his pyjamas and asked for the fire to be put out and the noise to be kept down. And as an aside to the aforementioned Gerry Bates said "Don't worry Gerry, we'll move them in the morning". "Them" being the complainants of course. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Steve in Sidmouth Date: 16 Aug 06 - 05:05 PM Reply as sent by email to 'fiddler' regarding webpage constructive discussion! I do not say workshops were held at the Ham. The first para relates to an incident at Bulverton but it is mentioned in the Ham section because of the emphasis there on H&S. I may reorder it later - I do say at the top that the whole page is a draft. If you have any sensible comments about matters that you feel are addressed incorrectly or inadequately I shall be pleased to consider these alongside many others observations. I seem to recall from last year that you have a management role at the campsite? Regards. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Cllr Date: 16 Aug 06 - 05:22 PM no need to shout 8-( Cllr PS HI skiptomylou, yes i remember you *-) glad you enjoyed the festival |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: fiddler Date: 17 Aug 06 - 05:12 AM To reiterate, Constructive comment sent directly to me I shall take on board and will be passed on to the festival organisers. As Lynne said this is a new festival, year one of new management! A steep learning curve, damm hard work and enjoyable, we can't get it right unless we receive constructive criticism, which includes what we got right as well as wrong - otherwise we may inadvertently change that too! Any comments that come to me directly (I have a number from the festival and now some after) will be incorporated in my report to the festival and whilst they may not be incorporated in to next year will have been fully considered. Andy |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Ruth Archer Date: 17 Aug 06 - 07:18 AM folkiedave said: "Many years ago in the mid-sixties at Sidmouth, the "Sheffield Contingent " were particularly noisy," Plus ca change... ;-) Being new to Sidmouth and its campsite, I blithely pitched my tent about as close as it was possible to be to the late-night revelry. Realising this at about 2am after that night's LNE, I quickly acknowledged to myself that it was most unlikely I'd get much sleep, and instead fetched out the bottle of sloe gin that was gently maturing in my tent, and joined them. I hasten to add that there were some killer sessions taking place in that little marquee, at times comprising some of the most exciting young musicians this country currently boasts. There were also some great singarounds. I felt priveleged to be in such fine company. There were avcouple of groups of noisy tossers who were not remotely interested in the music, I grant you, but the majority of those present were young folkies. The security was, for the most part, gentle and understated, and as a result people stopped playing at the requested time. Though most nights they stayed up chatting and I did watch the sun come up a few times. While i understand that it's not the most conducive atmosphere to a good night's sleep, it was, for me, a highlight of the festival. Perhaps the "noisy" pitches should be somehow marked as such. or people advised as they're arriving where the quieter parts of the site are. Me, I'll be trying for the exact same pitch next year... |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: chucky Date: 17 Aug 06 - 07:29 AM Steve in Sidmouth is running a very fair, even handed critique on his website. Too bad if you cannot handle any critism of this years event. The campsite was full of drunken morons who had no regard for those us trying to sleep. Having been to Sidmouth five years running, this is my last. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Mr Red Date: 17 Aug 06 - 07:31 AM Well I wrote and thanked John Golightly before the festival was over. We camped 7 miles out and it was superb, quiet & only the narrow lane was in any way difficult - but that was why it was quiet. AND NO SEAGULLS either. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Cat in Plymouth Date: 17 Aug 06 - 07:39 AM i was very near the group of "rock-music-loving youths" (i quite liked their 'gnome-on-garden-arch' artwork) in field one... i have to say that I had no problems with excess noise whatsoever and we were turning in at around 1am and i didn't get woken at all the entire time we were there. i do feel for those who did suffer, having experienced a problem or two at cambridge (strangely not with other campers but with the orange t-shirted stewards/security types) but i felt i should air my opinions, I loved camping at Bulverton - I will definitely be back next year! Cat x |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: melodeonboy Date: 17 Aug 06 - 08:25 AM On the subject of people not being given a chance to sing at singarounds/sessions (I'm never sure what to call them!), I think praise is due to Rosie (that is her name, isn't it?), who ran the sessions at the York and Faulkner. She was very organised and scrupulously fair. Add to that a wide variety of music, an attentive audience, excellent beer and a view of moonlight shining on the sea (ooh, what an old romantic I am!) and you can see why I made a point of spending a couple of hours there every evening that I was there. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: AlexB Date: 17 Aug 06 - 09:09 AM I think Steve and Chucky are just old codgers. As far as "even handed" is concerned, I feel Steve's critique can be pretty much summed up as "I want Steve Heap's Sidmouth back, I'm not going to give the new management much chance to find their feet". Either that or he is going for the tough love method "this was utter shite, do better or fail". On discussion of ceilidhs. I went to the LNE almost every night. I did not dance (no one would dance with me) I did manage to converse perfectly happily with my friends, for the most part without raised voices. "For the people who sat out some or all of ceilidh dances, conversation was virtually impossible." is therefore innaccurate. Consider this a constructive criticism of your critique Steve. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Ruth Archer Date: 17 Aug 06 - 10:14 AM I too conversed very happily with lots of people in the LNEs. I loved Sidmouth. I'd been put off going for years because of reports of crowds, queues etc. I can't comment on Old Sidmouth, but several people I know who are old hands have said how enjoyable last year and this have been, even in comparison to Sidmouth Mk I. I went to 5 folk festivals this summer of varying size and profile; Sidmouth was the best of the lot. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John J Date: 17 Aug 06 - 11:05 AM In my opinion: Steve is a scientist and as such is more likely than most to report accurately from his observations. I enjoyed Sidmouth hugely, I couldn't afford season tickets so spent most of my time at fringe events (mainly singing in the Middle Bar in excellent company) apart from buying tickets for a couple of very good concerts. There is little doubt that the festival is different to what it was 10 years ago when I last went, but that was it, it was different. I will certainly be back next year both for the Middle Bar Re-union and the festival itself. John |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: MBSLynne Date: 17 Aug 06 - 02:07 PM We WERE advising people about the quieter, noisier and very noisy bits of the campsite, certainly up until I finished manning the gate on Friday afternoon. It's always been one of the things we've told campers. I agree with Colin that going to sleep to the sound of live music and conversation is really rather nice, and i don't think telling people to be quiet when they are having a good session is part of the folk festival ethos. I do think the people who were shouting, screaming and 'whooping'...making gratuitous noise apparently for the sake of it should have been asked, politely to keep it down. Love Lynne |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,Dan ABN Date: 17 Aug 06 - 02:43 PM >"a very fair, even handed critique on his website" >" The campsite was full of drunken morons who had no regard for those us trying to sleep." I love the combination of those two phrases. Thanks for the laugh Chucky. On a more serious note, Steve's website is full of inaccuracies and associated knee-jerk conclusions. The sound levels across the whole site are going down, not up (more health and safety legislation and licensing conditions at work). The Anchor security were employed directly by the Anchor themselves not the festival, and their presence (the presence of SIA trained security) is a legal requirement now. The management at the festival did a good job, and will do a better job again next year. It was my 24th festival (I'm 25 years old) and it was good to be back. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: mikefromdorch Date: 17 Aug 06 - 06:22 PM I don't know about Rosie's singarounds as I didn't go to them, but if we are praising her, let's also put on record how well organised,fair and thoroughly enjoyable Kitty and Tim's sessions in the Theatre Bar were,too. Their ability to remember people's names was pretty impressive, too. MuddleC - I had the same problem with the Gregorian Chant workshop and didn't go back after the first day, but in fairness it must be very difficult to predict how many copies of the music will be needed. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,HUGO Date: 17 Aug 06 - 06:38 PM Yeah, the Theatre Bar singing was great and well done to all who participated hugo |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Chris Cole Date: 17 Aug 06 - 06:51 PM Ohhh stop moaning. Let's have some positives. Seth.... what a gem of a concert and an opportunity to test the heavy handed stewarding. Didn't Oliver Cromwell try to ban dancing? How unnatural to remain seated through that performance. Go Seth go and bring some people into our world. Roy Bailey and Chumbawamba.. great to see the Socialist Worker selling his wares and then taking his seat. Roy was just so happy to be there, I thought he would kiss John and Martin. The beautiful simplicity of Chumbawamba..no analysing there.. but a lasting memory of OS maps as porn!!! Those fireworks... what a spectacle and fitting end to the week. That "fan" just before the end.. stunning. Loved the people who had set up a table on the road outside the Bedford to watch the parade. How civilised. The lovely atmosphere in the Blackmore Gardens.. the chap singing "There was an old lady who swallowed a fly".. the kids were enraptured. That is what the world of folk should be about - continuity and family. Thanks to Phillipa for all her hard work for the children's festival - NOONE ever mentions the hard work done there, invlolving the kids...and why no Chipolatas for the last couple of years...join in now.. ONE BALL ON THE FLOOR, ONE BALL ON THE FLOOR... Norma and Mike Waterson's session in the Bedford..what an opportunity to gain an insight into their early days. The "tea time" slots in the war memorial club.. for all who were not there, you missed some gems. Strolling along the prom and enjoying the stalls... do you make the effort to talk to none folkies visiting the town for the day who are amazed how safe the environment felt? How their perception of folk had changed from their experience that day? Can't see how that would happen at Cambridge. Taking a stroll along the Byes on the first Friday (what a beautiful aspect of Sidmouth) and seeing the people who had set deckchairs in the ford, were playing tunes and having a BBQ...what a way to start the week. Great food at Chez Nous.. thanks...lovely crab sandwiches from the fish place... Georgies pies as good as ever, although they had obviously not understood the previous owner when he told them they would be quite busy folk week - they quickly learnt when their shelves were full on Sunday and the sign said open till midnight. A fantastic lunch at The Secret Garden and great mussels at both Dukes and Clovelly House. (The food options have definitely improved in the last 12 months). And the lemonade... I'd kill for that recipe!! Great Western Morris on Thursday evening.. so many good dancers when so many sides struggle to make the numbers. Which links me to the great bar staff at the lastminuuteceilidhs..thanks folks. How often do you see a miserable ceilidh dancer? Some people just spend the whole week dancing, never missing a dance and never stopping smiling. What energy and what an array of footwear chosen specifically for dancing. Can't wait for next year.. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Herga Kitty Date: 18 Aug 06 - 03:03 AM Thanks to those who enjoyed the Theatre Bar singarounds - please tell the management, so we have a better chance of being able to continue next year! Kitty |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 18 Aug 06 - 04:30 AM what the world of folk should be about - continuity and family Yeuk. Some actual reading of the Socialist Worker (and Friedrich Engels) and listening to what Roy Bailey actually has to say wouldn't go amiss here. Followed by agitation for political, economic, social and personal change to dispel such vile, reactionary Thatcherite complacency. Preferably not accompanied by wishy-washy, wannabe-mainstream pop though possibly with bells on. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Mr Red Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:26 AM Ooooooooooooooooooooooer Politics and the plight of the common man has ever been a strong thread holding the world of FOLK together - but so has Drinking, Bonking and Family Loyalties. And humour. Lighten up some of you. We are not dogmatic narrow minded people - that is what I love about Folk - it tolerates even a shy modest poser in Red I was told to find a camp site with shower queues less than 5 minutes and what I got in return was no seagulls and quiet. And a journey time quicker than the bus. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:37 AM "Followed by agitation for political, economic, social and personal change to dispel such vile, reactionary Thatcherite complacency. Preferably not accompanied by wishy-washy, wannabe-mainstream pop though possibly with bells on." All that is just so many Buzz Words. We'm discussing a festival not your political point of view (to which you are entitled). To sum up my thoughts on Folk Week 2006 I would say that not everything went as well as it could but you have to bear in mind that we are still in the early days under the current organisers. Derek Schofield said in one of the Festival Newsletters that "The Festival didn't come with an Instruction Manual" - They are still very much on a learning curve and I wouldn't be surprised if there were changes made for next years fesival. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:57 AM just so many Buzz Words As are 'continuity' and 'family'. But not so 'Buzzy'. Though it appears to be what someone imagines the newfangled 'folkweek/festival' should be about. Could it be that some of you are seeking to dumb it down into a nuclear-family-friendly, holiday-camp-stylee jolly singalong with reality firmly excluded? |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 18 Aug 06 - 06:10 AM "Could it be that some of you are seeking to dumb it down" Not in my case. What I want is week of the sort of Folkie stuf that I enjoy. I hope that is what other people want too. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John J Date: 18 Aug 06 - 06:54 AM Laughing, drinking and singing just about sums it up for me. John |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 18 Aug 06 - 09:56 AM Well John if thats where you spent your festival (as did I) then we are probably on the same wavelength. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John MacKenzie Date: 18 Aug 06 - 10:08 AM I certainly disapprove of politics and folk as a mixture. I don't want to know how you vote, or to be lectured on how I should vote, when I go to a musical performance. That's OK for Red Wedge, but it has a self selecting audience, and it carries a label saying what it is. No sneaking in under the wire for them, Roy Bailey likewise, that's why I will never go to a Roy Bailey performance, the agenda is not solely musical. While most folkies are apparently left wing politically, we also have Tories, and Scottish Nationalists among our ranks, I've even heard a rumour that there is at least one LibDem voter! So let's keep politics out of folk. Giok |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: fiddler Date: 18 Aug 06 - 10:42 AM In the midst of all this Doom Gloom and Despondency, whilst no one can be complacent about any aspect of the festival you may like to read this: - < href="http://www.devon-cornwall.police.uk/v3/news/latest/pressrelease.cfm?id=605 ">http://www.devon-cornwall.police.uk/v3/news/latest/pressrelease.cfm?id=605 Sorry if it means or looks like bowing before the autocratic authorities who run this country - or was it the democratically elected government - or really just getting on with it and trying to do a good job! Andy |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 18 Aug 06 - 10:43 AM keep politics out of folk That's as nonsensical as trying to argue that the personal isn't political. My objection was to the unacceptable and preposterous tenet that people should go to festivals to wallow in a blinkered cocoon of laissez-faire complacency. Trad music chronicles the economic power struggles of the workplace as well as those pertaining to all social relationships, including the family. If exposure to the stories of those who have gone before fail to inspire you not necessarily how to place your vote (though it may have an influence) but to live your own life more humanely and strive for equality, I'd say you were missing the point entirely. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: fiddler Date: 18 Aug 06 - 10:43 AM Sorry http://www.devon-cornwall.police.uk/v3/news/latest/pressrelease.cfm?id=605 |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John MacKenzie Date: 18 Aug 06 - 11:03 AM Well CR that's only if you define politics in the broadest possible terms, and the upshot of going down that road is that even a fart could be deemed as a political act. I mean of course Party Politics, which is why I mentioned political parties. Where the poltics of farting leaves Spaw I can't imagine, but no doubt we shall find out in the fullness of time. Giok |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 18 Aug 06 - 11:14 AM So why did you mention 'party' politics? Nobody else did. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John MacKenzie Date: 18 Aug 06 - 12:22 PM Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: countess richard - PM Date: 18 Aug 06 - 04:30 AM what the world of folk should be about - continuity and family Yeuk. Some actual reading of the Socialist Worker (and Friedrich Engels) and listening to what Roy Bailey actually has to say wouldn't go amiss here. Followed by agitation for political, economic, social and personal change to dispel such vile, reactionary Thatcherite complacency. Preferably not accompanied by wishy-washy, wannabe-mainstream pop though possibly with bells on. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Cllr Date: 18 Aug 06 - 12:28 PM *raises hand* ooh ohh politics can I join in, can I pleeease oohh. *Sigh* Cllr |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 18 Aug 06 - 12:30 PM No Mike we dont need any more verbosity!!! Dave But we can't stop you can we? |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,Ed from Essex Date: 18 Aug 06 - 12:36 PM Back to the music! I only got to Sidmouth for the last three days as I spent the first weekend at the Wickham Festival in Hampshire (and what a wonderful Festival that was - Seth Lakeman, Shooglenifty, Spiers & Boden, Richard Thompson, Oysterband, Steeleye Span and so many more, all in a very safe and friendly setting, maybe more relaxed than Sidmouth where the late-night lager louts in the town centre can be intimidating). Sidmouth has obviously changed from the Mrs. Casey days. Personally I miss the International Arena shows but the sessions scene seems to be thriving - The Bedford seemed even more packed than usual (if that's possible!) and some of the Ham concerts were very good indeed. A few old regulars seemed to be missing from Sidmouth this year (I ran into some familiar faces at Wickham) but many others were in their usual places (Hello John B!) and I found the atmosphere in the bars and on the Prom to be as good as ever, in fact, I think many of the sessions are better now than they were in days gone by. I'll always have a soft spot for Sidmouth - I've been attending for over 20 years - and while I fully intend to return to Wickham over the first weekend of August next year I'll probably then head straight along the coast to Sidmouth - it's only a couple of hours drive between the two and I'd rather enjoy two excellent Festivals instead of just one. Congratulations to everyone involved in keeping Sidmouth going. You've done a great job. Ed |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 18 Aug 06 - 12:49 PM No, I didn't mention party politics, Giok did. I didn't mention the Socialist Worker first, somebody else did (though they seemed to think it was a person not a newspaper). Mike, of course you can join in since you are the only reasonable and sensible member of the AHEM party I've ever come across . . . |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,soc worker Date: 18 Aug 06 - 12:49 PM can I just put up my hand and say that i am the person who was selling socialist worker before the chumbawumba concert...the band were wonderful...one of the best I have seen at Sidmouth in my 12 years of attending. You can't keep politics out of music ...if we did there would be no songs by Ewan McColl , no early Bob Dylan ,no Pete Seeger and no Paul Robeson.Without the politics of life the guts would be torn out of our music! I also spent a lot of time in the theatre bar where the singing and the atmosphere was fantastic....and I managed a song myself ,the first time I have ever sung at Sidmouth. Great week!! soc worker |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,Let's hear it for the family! Date: 18 Aug 06 - 12:56 PM Hello there I loved every minute of Sidmouth as did my family and friends. I agree totally with the poster above about the folk world having much to offer society in general, with its caring and supportive outlook. I also agree that political songs are important. I totally disagree with the obnoxious comments about families from that 'richard' bloke who obviously doesn't know his ARSS from his elbow when it comes to knowing what's important in life. Obviously he must have come from a very unhappy family or had some terrible experience to sound so bitter. Many of the problems in this country might not be there if the family unit was supported and respected. Children need families, but of course, families are strong units, and far more difficult for the ones who want to control the populatin to infiltrate. Sidmouth is very much about families and long may it continue. A lovely festival all round. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 18 Aug 06 - 01:06 PM I'm not a bloke. See Child #68. The family a safe and secure unit? Ever listened to Lucy Wan, Fair Annie, Prince Heathen, Two Sisters, The Brown Girl . . . and innumerable other tales of incest, rape, murder and any other form of repression and abuse you can imagine so prevalent in 'families' through the ages. Are you related to 'lizziecornish'? She has highly distorted and unrealistic views on this subject too. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: MBSLynne Date: 18 Aug 06 - 01:19 PM Hmmm...time to leave this thread. Now that Countess R has joined it it will become increasingly unpleasant, vitriolic and downright nasty. No more constructive comment will be possible. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 18 Aug 06 - 01:33 PM As I never go anywhere near the pub in which the last poster lurks throughout the festival, can I point out that she has absolutely no idea who I am nor what I do and is thus disqualified to comment. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John MacKenzie Date: 18 Aug 06 - 01:33 PM There is a general confusion between songs which document, and/or highlight social deprivation or mistreatment, and politics. These songs are what they are, just songs, they are not political statements. Once again we have this broad brush definition of politics. Anyway, this is thread creep, so I will say no more on the subject. Giok |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Cllr Date: 18 Aug 06 - 01:47 PM john J are you the same john J from altrincham who is qouted in the sidmouth herald today? if so well done! Middlebar singers have been in the last three issues of the sidmouth herald on such topics such as singing in the sea and the fact that we raised 1361.15p for the sidmouth lifeboat on the tuesday night shanty sesion. I thought we had a great week. I persoanally had a fantastic time. My heart felt thanks to those that help organise the folk festival. Cllr |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 18 Aug 06 - 01:50 PM Countess Richard, MBSLynne is a friend of mine and has been attending Sidmouth for more that 20 years. If that does not qualify her for stating her feelings I don't know what does. Cllr is also a friend so I hope my post to him will be seen for what it was intended to be (A joke if you can't see that). If you are going to hi-jack the thread, for whatever reason, I shall leave too. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Cllr Date: 18 Aug 06 - 01:59 PM I once sang leon rosselsons "world turned upside down" at the sillier song session in the MBS half the audince who didnt know me looked puzzled as to why the song was being featured in this particular session the other half who did know me, and my politics,collapsed into small heaps aound the bar. There are three morals to this story 1) there is a place for politics in folk 2) it helps to understand not only what you yourself are on about but also what the other person is on about too (if your going to get the joke) 3) that im trying to change the subject... |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Cllr Date: 18 Aug 06 - 02:01 PM before i argue with someone I like to walk a mile in their shoes. . . . . . . that way if they get angry with me, they are a mile away and barefoot. Cllr |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 18 Aug 06 - 02:08 PM Giving up and going down the pub!! |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 18 Aug 06 - 02:10 PM Don't know this Breton Cap either, probably because I never go near the Anchor. And he and his mate Lynne never come anywhere near where I am. They don't know me. None of which gives them or anyone else even the vaguest justification for seeking to prevent me from rubbishing someone else's sanctimonious and wholly erroneous preaching about festivals being for 'families' (as though this form of social living arrangement gained extra brownie points) and that all was well with the world (ha!) and that no agitation for social change through music was needed. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 18 Aug 06 - 03:01 PM I once sang leon rosselsons "world turned upside down" at the sillier song session This is an excellent example of why I steer well clear of the Anchor Middle Bar. A song about the struggle for and suppression of basic human rights is not a joke. The Diggers were an important historical movement and their aims of social justice are not aligned to any particular political party. It would behove those who snigger to do a minimal amont of basic research. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: mikefromdorch Date: 18 Aug 06 - 03:11 PM Is there really doubt about the Theatre bar sessions next year, Kitty? Is it the Festival management or the Manor management who are the problem? Who do we write to? Perhaps more of you should have eaten Lynne's home-cooked pies there - the best food I had all week |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John MacKenzie Date: 18 Aug 06 - 03:12 PM You obviously don't get the joke, and BTW I do wonder if you have a sense of humour at all, everything in your life seems to be so black and white. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Cllr Date: 18 Aug 06 - 03:54 PM When i was running uxbridge folk club I booked leon rosselson on a number of occasions. I asked if he minded if i sang it,he didnt -which goes to show at least leon has a sense of humor if you dont on this particular matter. I have sang it many times as it is a cracking song. the point of the post, which you seemed to have missed, is that something taken out of context can be taken differntly dependoing of the view point of the individual and there are more views than just yours which are equally deserving of respect. robb Johnson, a singer songer writer you have said you have liked in other threads, is a friend of mine as well not only have I sung his songs in the middle bar in fact he came down and sang his own songs in the middle bar when he was booked at sidmouth folk festival. if its good enough for him... but i digress, aside from you having no sense of humour on the subject of revolutionary songs or knowledge of a particular session,you should know better than to accuse me of not knowing my subject,i have, albeit immodestly, mentioned before my first degree is in Politcs and modern history. one module (12 week course)was Skocpols theory of revolutions, which while concentrating of french chinese and russion revolutions other academics uses the english revolution and groups such as the diggers to criticise her arguments which i made extensive reading when refuting her theory. I dont mind the fact that you are passionate about your own views but it is a bit ironic IMHO that you dont want to allow others to have theirs if they disagree with you and to get back to the point of this thread i thought sidmnouth was great this year. Mike |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 18 Aug 06 - 04:20 PM When did I ever say you couldn't sing any song you damn well like, Mike? Especially in a session I'm never at? Or accuse you of not knowing your subject? The latter, as you well know, was addressed at others. What I did say is that I fail to see why anyone would consider it appropriate to introduce a sing about the Diggers into a session supposed to be about silly songs. Because it isn't one. But from what I've heard, the Middle Bar has a tendency to take the piss out of all sorts of material which I am unlikely to find the slightest bit funny. This does not mean I wouldn't be amused by songs that had been written as comic songs, of which Leon Rosselson and Robb Johnson have composed many. But it does explain why I am scarcely likely to turn up in the Anchor, regardless of whether Robb Johnson does or not. As for not allowing others to have views which differ from mine, I will always as a matter of principle oppose those who spew smug, sanctimonious claptrap designed to denigrate those whose lifestyles differ from their own. You, presumably, do the same. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Chris Cole Date: 18 Aug 06 - 04:32 PM Pay no attention folks, it is only what I expected. Diane was simply lurking until I said something. Water off a ducks back to me and I won't be intimidated into holding my tongue or anything else for that matter. Thanks for supportive comments |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 18 Aug 06 - 04:33 PM I am back from the pub and find this:- "denigrate those whose lifestyles differ from their own" So it's alright for you to do this but if anyone dare have a view different from you and states it they get all sorts of grief from you don't they? And as for not frequenting the same venues as you. If you don't know who I am how do you know? |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: melodeonboy Date: 18 Aug 06 - 04:37 PM Mmmm... It appears that what MBSLynne predicted in her previous message has come true! |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Ruth Archer Date: 18 Aug 06 - 04:44 PM Ummmm....wasn't it a lovely festival? |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Cllr Date: 18 Aug 06 - 04:47 PM Thank you for that and i was trying to answer the point of yours about people sniggering- they werent sniggering at the song but at the fact i was singing it (a serious song) in a sillier song session. the context is all. i get to many different types of session and the quality of it depends on the singers, the organisers, the venue, and the expectations of those present( sorry i should be handing white sticks for saying the blindingly obvious at this point) The sessions at the anchor vary wildely, the only specific is that it is open to any walking past to join in and it is unacompanied with manly chorus songs. You, obviously, dont have to attend if you dont want too your choice but criticising it with out going there is a bit like saying you dont like opera without ever having been to see it live. ( i use the last as an example because when i was much younger thats what i thought till i got dragged, kicking and screaming to see turandot at the ROH) When i disagree with someone i do my upmost to stay away from personal comments but to argue against the ideas expressed that i disagree with/ some arguments i win some i lose and sometimes i even change my mind but i really do try to avoid name calling and that is something that happens all to often in some of the threads on mudcat. This thread is primarily about the joys of sidmouth festival and they are many and varied. if it was all about one sort of event it would be like a cajun gumbo with one ingrediant and what fun would that be? i hope this analogy wont be taken and over stretched so I am now going to apck for the next festival WHff which i hope to get to by lunch time tommorow. Wassail Cllr |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 18 Aug 06 - 04:48 PM Ummmm....wasn't it a lovely festival? Yes but someone around here doesn't think we should enjoy anything other than what she thinks we should! |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Cllr Date: 18 Aug 06 - 04:50 PM yes it was briliant joanie crumpet. breton cap you looking at me? when do i ever get verbose I dont thi....(cont page 94) Cllr |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Cllr Date: 18 Aug 06 - 04:50 PM 400 hundred yeah! Cllr |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 18 Aug 06 - 04:54 PM Oh to hell with it! I deliberately stayed away from this thread as I wanted it to continue in the pleasant vein it was....knowing that if I appeared, so would my Terrible Twin! Sadly, someone let her out first.... Diane...Why the heck do you always have to be so unpleasant. The post above which obviously upset you was lovely! There is nothing wrong with having a happy family and enjoying life because of that. Sidmouth IS for families, and it's for those without families too..it's for everyone, as is every folk festival. But don't jump down people's throats because they dare to say they were happy and there was a lovely atmosphere at Sidmouth. I don't care if people have children or if they don't. All that matters is that people are kind to each other and tolerant of others views. Go and read a 'How To Get On With People' book....FAST!! And now....back to Sidmouth. It was lovely to meet John Barden at long last "Hi John!!"....and see George, Tom Bliss and Duncan...Annie Dunn too "Hi Annie!"......and Dave, (Breton Cap) "Hi Dave!!"....and of course Jan, Chris and Grace...big hugs all round guys! Sorry I didn't get to meet many more...I was busy rushing round, children were doing bodhran classes and loads of other things as well...but Oh! How I miss you all!! The rain washed the last bit of brightly coloured chalk away today, from the seafront pavement, where people had scribbled all over the place during folk week...and that's it...the last bit of Brigadoon has disappeared once more..... Still...the good news is...There's only 51 weeks to go until it returns! (Great Big Beaming Smiley!);0) Lots of love Lizzie :0) xx |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:01 PM Firstly, I have been in this thread, on and off, since 28 June. Not 'lurking' till a pudding person (who is either one of lizziecornish's pseudonyms or else a clone - jesus, that's scary) barged in telling everyone to join a nuclear family, uphold the status quo and only do 'nice', uncontroversial, MOR trash. This, apart from being a load of bollocks, is insulting. I don't know the pudding. I don't know the hat or the lynne. In fact, probably the only Anchor person who really knows me is Kitty Vernon who I think quite likes me. The rest of you haven't a clue, one way ot the other. I haven't been in Sidmouth for two years and am not particularly encouraged ever to return as long as it differs not a lot from any other bog standard festival. If I do, I shan't be anywhere near the Anchor so you'll never learn who I am and as far as I'm concerned, you can all sod off or not as you wish. I don't care. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Chris Cole Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:02 PM Hurray |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:08 PM Now you are showing your own ignorance. I have met both Lizzie and Pudlover (and it wasn't in the Anchor) If you don't come to Sidmouth these days why do you complain about what others get out of it? Now leave us fun luvin' souls alone and take your angst somewhere that appriciates it. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:21 PM Ooh! I'd love to be cloned! That way I could see all the artists and people I missed. Imagine...being able to go to Sidmouth and see EVERYTHING!! Where's Stevie Scarlett gone? Let's get him on to it...he's a scientist...OK...a Government one...but I'm sure he'll know how to clone me...and then....THEN....I can listen to Barry Lister in The Bedford, Dave and his friends in The Anchor, Coope Boyes & Simpson in The Ham, track down where the kids are, watch Jim Causley, squeeze in George, Duncan, Tom and Seth, pop over to Canada and watch Show of Hands, flit back and see Lunasa...all at the same time! AND...I could write all about it on 10 different messageboards at once! Oh what HEAVEN! I think you may be on to something BIG here Sweetums! I really do!! Lizzie :0) PS: (The dreaded but scary Countess Richard above, also goes by the name of Diane Easby and Sweetums, for anyone who doesn't already know!) ;0) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:23 PM Just think...if I were cloned... A Coope Boyes & Simpson concert....where I could buy ALL the tickets and occupy ALL the seats! Oh dear me...I'm chuckling here... :0) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:24 PM I have met both Lizzie and Pudlover Good grief, how dreadful for you! You should take your own advice and take your own angst elsewhere. Like Womad? And do you have a basic comprehension problem? What I deplore is not what 'others get out of it' but how some can have the goddam cheek to try and impose such patronising attitudes on those who don't, in their narrow view, conform to their shit lifestyle. I haven't been to Sidmouth in the past couple of years because it's not what it was and I see no point for me. From what I gather from you MBS lot, the change of management and format cannot possibly make the slightest difference and you'll continue to 'get out of it' whatever it is you do. It's different for me. OK? So SOD OFF. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Chris Cole Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:28 PM To call my lifestyle shit is ignorant and intolerant. Please do not be so personal Diane and take some time to condsider how patronising your comments are. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Zany Mouse Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:29 PM Erm - I know you all probably know the answer to this but I'm confused. Are Lizzie Cornish and Lizzie in Sidmouth one and the same? Rhiannon |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:34 PM how dreadful for you! Not so! They are peeps!! Thank you and goodnight Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:34 PM Oh, and Pastychops, yes there are apparently one or two people on this thread who may not know my real name but I don't suppose they want to. Why not occupy yourself for a really long time by listing all your pseudonyms and aliases? And after that, save me a bit of time by recounting the story behind Child #68 and 'countess richard' every time someone inexplicably claims not to understand it because they can't be arsed to look it up. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Steve in Sidmouth Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:34 PM Now now children, moderate your language and your tone, please! The only good reason to clone Lizzie (perish the thought) is that each copy of her could put me on a hug card for Sidmouth next year, then I might, just might, have my wildest dreams come true. But could a mere clone be like the real thing? And how would I know? |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:35 PM Rhiannon The answer is Yes dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Ruth Archer Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:37 PM I'm not a Middle Bar Singer. I went to Sidmouth for the first time this year. It was a great festival because the town is so totally soaked in music and dance. It is completely different from any other festival I've been to in that there is SO MUCH participative activity and the line between artists and punters is more blurred than anywhere else I've been. I was standing in the Bedford and someone was murmuring in my ear about the act that was on...I turned around and it was Martin Carthy. I was sitting in the Old Ship, and a few people wandered in and started a session - one of them was Eliza Carthy. Folk is all about that kind of communal inclusiveness - the music belongs to all of us. Such a great, easygoing vibe everywhere, interesting concerts but SO much to do elsewhere, so many chances to get stuck in or listen to fascinating talks and lectures, and a completely unique atmosphere. And loads of people said how much easier it was to get into things round the town, with fewer crowds and queues this year and last. So i think to judge the event as it is now, you really need to go and experience it firsthand. It really ISN'T just like every other festival. I've been to a few, and I think Sidmouth is unique. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:41 PM . . . and I have no knowledge of the pudding's lifestyle and am therefore unaware of whether it is shit or not. Another case of basic comprehension deficiency here. I was objecting to the patronising insistence that festivals are for the mummy + daddy + 2.4 brats, this is 'the right way' and all must conform. That's shit. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:45 PM It really ISN'T just like every other festival It WASN'T just like every other festival. It is now. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Chris Cole Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:47 PM Brat???????? How very dare you |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Ruth Archer Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:48 PM C Richard, I don't know how you can make that judgement if you've not been. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:49 PM Er...Sweetums...(Oh! This is JUST like the Olden BBC Days isn't it!) Sweetums.... The only one who assumes that Sidmouth is for 2.2 children and their mommies and daddies is...er...you! I know you TV is really broken and you can't watch Big Brother tonight, so you're on here being a mischief.... Stevie...HOW MANY HUGS are you expecting for heaven's sake! I may be too scared to leave the house soon! ;0) Oh...and I invaded the Radio 1 board today...with FOLK MUSIC!! I'm having such fun! I've decided to Heducate the Radio 1 audience about really great music... Oh..and by the way..language Sweetums, language....missing Big Brother isn't that bad...honestly! Try and control yourself. ;0) Lizzie :0) PS...Could we have it in writing that you're never coming to Siddy again please.... PPS..The Anchor have 'Da Management' Bouncy Bouncers all year round... |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Cllr Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:51 PM Lizzie leave her alone it dosnt help the thread or put you in a good light either. But it was a great sidmouth wasn't it! see you at reunion Cllr 8-) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Chris Cole Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:52 PM Maybe the management were expecting Diane!! Did you pay them Lizzie? |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Chris Cole Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:53 PM Come on MBs "crew"...And we'll roll the old chariot along.... |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:54 PM Nope Sweetums..Siddy is UNIQUE...and if you don't believe me, you can take a listen here to BBC Radio Lancashire's 'The Drift' where they're talking all about Siddy and Cropredy, you can hear it here for a further 6 days on their Listen Again button, just press 'The Drift' and voila! http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/mainframe.shtml?http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/lancashire.shtml |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:56 PM What's your problem? Eyesight, comprehension or both? I haven't been to Sid for two years, that's all. But I know those who have. Brats = diminutive people, usually accompanied by two larger people who think the sun shines out of their . . . Big Brother? Never seen it. BBC forums . . . yes I did look in today. Wished I hadn't. Someone's spilled a large tin of golden syrup across all networks. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Chris Cole Date: 18 Aug 06 - 06:00 PM Cllr No... she is being personal and rude to both Lizzie and I. Why should we let her get away with it? I am sick of tired of certian people thinking Diane should be allowed to get away with her behaviour. If my "brat" behaved in that way, I would be apalled. She is a bigot, bully and snob of the worst order. Unless she is mentally ill, there is simply no excuse. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 18 Aug 06 - 06:01 PM Cllr.... Diane and I have been 'sparring' for years on the BBC board. We know each other 'inside out'. We don't take offence, well...maybe now and again, when she goes completely bonkers of course... But for the most part, we're a bit like an old married couple...I'm always right...she's always wrong! ;0) We're both chuckling as we type...and most people know that and don't worry too much. Diane is always Diane...she never pretends to be a Miss Goody Two Shoes...and neither do I....but it's probably best to leave us to get on with it....getting in between us is only for the very brave!! And please don't take offence, it's hard not to be able to read the intonation into messages, but mine usually are written with a big grin on my face...you can normally tell when I've completely lost it with her or she with me...believe you me! ;0) If Diane says rotten things about people whom I know and care for, then I'll give her sixpenceworth and be done with it I'm afraid! So Sweetums....are you going back to the BBC board then????? |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 18 Aug 06 - 06:09 PM Quite right Jan! You lay off my friend Sweetums! Her little daughter is an absolute delight..and if you don't believe me you can ask Jackie Oates or Jim Causley who've both taught her. She's one of the few children that I've really loved having round to visit and was sorry to see leave.....Most tend to wreck the house from top to bottom causing me to become like that terrible bossy Nanny creature from Channel 3, or is it 4, in order to save my house and it's contents, together with my sanity...but not Jan's daughter..she's a real pleasure and an absolute joy! She's also being brought up in the traditional music world that you profess to love so much, by parents who care far more deeply about this music than you do. Jan's daughter is part of the next generation of folk....and one day...maybe...you'll be listening to her singing. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 18 Aug 06 - 06:10 PM How can I be 'personal' towards phantom contributors who I don't believe actually exist in real life? The pudding and the pasty are nothing but random spam generators programmed with particularly yukky tastes in music and sickening Victoria Gillick-stylee nuclear family complexes. And a particularly pavlovic reaction to any analysis of why Sid is not what it was. Not that they'd know . . . |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST Date: 18 Aug 06 - 06:12 PM Diane and I have been 'sparring' for years on the BBC board. We know each other 'inside out'. We don't take offence Yes and others have got thoroughly fed up with it. The typical pattern was Lizzie would bait, Diane would bite and everything else slowly degenerated into a row. This happening is something Lizzie calls "fun". She couldn't realy care less about the effect it has on other people trying to participate in reasonable discussion. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 18 Aug 06 - 06:17 PM Uh Oh...the Radio 2 Moaning Minnies Away Day To Mudcat Charabang has just turned up...possibly with a faerie on board.... I didn't bait actually, I merely 'responded'..hell of a difference there. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST Date: 18 Aug 06 - 06:21 PM "I didn't bait actually, I merely 'responded'..hell of a difference there" Lizzie, you were the troll doing the baiting. That is why you called it fun. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 18 Aug 06 - 06:27 PM Oh yawn!...don't start up with The Troll business again! For heaven's sake...I'm a Trollop NOT a troll......how many times do I have to remind you????? ;0) Go off and get thee a rollicking good sense of humour! Jim Causley will be able to help..he's got the best I've seen in a long time! He can't stop grinning! We LOVE Jim Causley!!! |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 18 Aug 06 - 06:31 PM Good grief, no. no, no, not faerie. The only thing that gets up my nose more than the pasty and the pudding is the flaming faerie. (btw it's a CHARABANC, not 'bang' (though maybe if it squashed the foodstuffs van . . . ) Thing about the pasty, Guest 06.12, is that I don't know it at all, certainly not 'inside out' (jeez, what a disgusting thought). Tonight apart, obviously, I no longer nowadays frequent these timewasting message boards peopled in the main largely by those who don't want to know anything anyway but are merely using up a month's free subscription with their latest ISP, other than to answer the odd question or announce something, because as you remark, reasonable discussion with those who actually know something of the subject rapidly becomes impossible. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 18 Aug 06 - 06:34 PM And on that Smiley Note....it's time to say "Adieu Sweet Lovely Guesty" for 'tis way past my bedtime now and I can't stay up all night long merely to keep you entertained. After all....I have a whole new world of young people to tell about folk music on the Radio 1 board tomorrow! Do you know they even have a 'Dance' board on the Radio 1 messageboard!...It's filled with people I've NEVER heard of...so I told them about the Peatbog Faeries, Lunasa and Flook....I'll bet that half the Radio 1 audience is dancing to those Myspace links I gave them, even as I type... ;0) Well....Goodnight My Lovelies....I shall leave you all to it... Sleep well and pleasant dreams...I'm off to dream of the First Week In August 2007..... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Lizzie :0) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 18 Aug 06 - 06:37 PM Diane, if the bus is filled with the Moaning Minnies...it's definitely a CharaBANG! Now my Horlicks is calling me, as are my bedsocks and cosy hairnet...I have to go..... ;0) Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....zz.z...zzzzzzz.....zz....z.. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Chris Cole Date: 18 Aug 06 - 06:40 PM Sleep tight... with your family around you.. Is that such a crime? Only in some quarters apparently. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 18 Aug 06 - 06:49 PM What a shower of boring wimps. Off to bed already in their middle-England, middle-class, redbrick-little-box semis. Now, will I go out? (You can get anything you want down Green Lanes y'know) . . . or just phone some real people? |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Chris Cole Date: 18 Aug 06 - 06:56 PM ANYTHING? |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Ruth Archer Date: 18 Aug 06 - 07:31 PM "shower of boring wimps"? Why are people wimps who have come here for a reasonable discussion and don't find it fun to get in the middle of your vitriolic, misanthropic mudslinging and Lizzie's prozac-laced whimsy? This has got old VERY fast. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Declan Date: 18 Aug 06 - 08:10 PM For all the sensible and sane people who haven't been to Sidmouth. Don't let this nonsense put you off. It's a great festival. And if you're lucky you probably won't meet the headcases on this thread who are doing their best to ruin this and other threads for everyone else. And they are now back on the BBC board as well. At least one is and the other is sure to follow. Can the two of you not set up a site of your own where you can slag each other off and leave the rest of us in peace? |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Ron Davies Date: 18 Aug 06 - 09:55 PM Admittedly I may be more impressed by a wealth of great squeezebox players than a Briton or Irishman might be. But I loved to hear all the concertinas, melodions, etc. all over Sidmouth--(despite being warned in "The Melodions are Coming" that "This is the way the world ends--all in the key of D.") Not to mention--just on the prom--balalaika orchestra, George Fornby songs, Trinidad steel drum, Irish band, autoharp group, Paraguayan harp, accordion orchestra (Dorset group of mainly older women), Appalachian fiddle and clogging, Western swing group--just impromptu--which I joined. Boogie-woogie piano. And on and on. I had probably the best Sidmouth ever--in large part due to renting a viola from Glen Titmus--at a more than reasonable rate. So I could just walk into any informal group and throw a low harmony into the mix--if that seemed welcome. As well as sing some songs. Walked into the Swan to join in singing Daisy, Daisy and wound up playing 4 hours in the Swan with a spectacular concertina player. The tunes kept tumbling out--Irish, English, Scottish, Russian, German, American. And he liked a low harmony. I did try to get into 2 concerts. No luck--sold out. So--back to the prom--and the York and Faulkner, the Volunteer, the Middle Bar, the Swan, etc. Not exactly a hardship. Sorry I didn't make it to the Theater Bar--I meant to. Only one major problem--like Lizzie, I found the cloning workshop wasn't developed enough to let me be everywhere at the same time. Saw old friends--and met a lot of new ones. Highlights--far too many to list--but just a few: Being serenaded every day between 8 and 8:30 by a wonderful 79-year old Dutch melodion player just outside our hotel window--with the sounds of the surf in the background. Having heard him play Lili Marlen in 3 different keys, I went out, met him, and sang D-Day Dodgers for him. The delightful puppeteer at the Blackmore garden (after the Sidmouth Town Band--also very impressive). He (a Middle Bar singer, I'm pretty sure), did by far the best Punch and Judy I've ever seen (Jan, who's English, seconds this). Wonderful rapport with his young audience. Sillier Songs, March to the Sea--more of us than I've ever seen before--and then Gloom and Doom. All just on Thursday. Playing in the band for the 25th annual non-existent ceilidh at the ford. First time for me. Spectacular fireworks--in some ways better than the those on the Washington Mall on the 4th of July--in Sidmouth they came thick and fast--no gaps. And, and, and--as noted--far too many to list. Sidmouth truly sparkled--literally even--on the sea. The best weather I can recall certainly helped--but based on the enthusiasm and crowds I saw most places, the festival seems more hale and hearty than ever. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Ron Davies Date: 18 Aug 06 - 10:40 PM Just to clarify a bit- of the prom list I only joined the Western swing group. The others, of course, I just listened to--and, if buskers, encouraged with a pound or 2. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 19 Aug 06 - 01:58 AM I see there's been much stretching of limited intellect by the arduous extraction of single words per post in typical 'Cat fashion while I've been out. To remind those of scant attention span, the 'boring wimps' reference was addressed at those who sodded off to bed early, rather than confront the reality of how glorious Sidmouth was once (which they never knew), rather than what it is now: a clone of any other run-of-the-mill festival. If you would care to rewind and actually READ THE THREAD, you'd recall that this saga began after I'd taken issue with some particularly nauseatingly patronising and smug declarations (which certainly would be more at home on the bland, dumbed-down, MOR, Cambridge-backing BBC forum where the aforementioned 'faerie' is campaigning for a Morris ban, than here) that Sidmouth is about 'continuity and family' and music that was safe, bland and non-political. Like hell it is (or was). To me it was workshops and seeing acts and specially-staged spectacles it was impossible to catch elsewhere all day followed by ceilidhs then playing all night. If these are not activities that appeal to today's just-appeared-out-of the-woodwork-whingers, they could hold their continuous pub singarounds absolutely anywhere or amuse their multitudinous offspring on a different beach which actually has sand. And stick their heads in it while they were about it. Or join 'lizziecornish' in her latest deluded campaign to inflict the dregs of the MOR fakesong singersongwriters onto R1 so that if she succeeds, the population at large will say 'so THAT'S f*lk music?' |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 19 Aug 06 - 02:58 AM We know that Sidmouth is not what it used to be when Steve Heap/Mrs Casey Music ran it. Thats the whole point! We think (you obviously don't) that the new organasing team, some of them are personal friends, are doing a good job under difficult circumstances and have produced an excellent festival that provides what we enjoy. You don't'have to like what the Festival is now and harking back to what it was, and may never be again, is not helpful. If you want to start a campaign to get the festival back to what it used to be feel free but I don't think you will get much support from people on this thread and you will have only yourself to blame!! Who do you think you are to question the level of intellect of the contributers? And as for being whimps who retire early - some of us have jobs and families and need a reasonable amount of sleep. And so Diane - I expect you have been told before - you are entitlted to your view of things and life in general but way you express yourself around this part of the web doesn't impress me |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Ruth Archer Date: 19 Aug 06 - 03:26 AM "rather than confront the reality of how glorious Sidmouth was once (which they never knew), rather than what it is now: a clone of any other run-of-the-mill festival." Well, i may not have been to the previous Sidmouth, but I have lots of friends who have been going for 20 years and are delighted with its present incarnation. You have never experienced Sidmouth as it is, but still feel qualified to judge it based on second-hand information. Maybe both of us should keep our mouths shut. But as for it being a clone of any run-of-the-mill festival, i gave you several examples earlier of why this isn't the case, none of which you were able to respond to because you WEREN'T THERE. "To me it was workshops and seeing acts and specially-staged spectacles it was impossible to catch elsewhere all day followed by ceilidhs then playing all night" apart from the spectacles, that's EXACTLY what Sidmouth was this year. That's what people have been trying to tell you. And despite the lack of specially-staged spectacle you still got great, smaller-scale stuff like Morris Offspring and Black Swan doing the spots during the LNEs - spectacle indeed, if the response of the crowds was anything to go by. I programme a year-round venue and a festival. I taught Arts Management at university level for 3 years. I know what the current committee have taken on, and what they've achieved is, quite frankly, a staggering success in such a short period of time. I really don't know what people like you hope to accomplish with your whinging. Event management is a thankless task: people take for granted all that runs well, and crucify you for everything that doesn't (whether it's your fault or not). This "limited intellect" will continue to enjoy Sidmouth for many years to come. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 19 Aug 06 - 03:28 AM I'm not seeking 'support' from most contributors to this thread: I'd be horrified if the narrow-minded, 'good-enough-for f*lk', nuke- family-friendly dumbdowners approved of my stance. As it is, only the Socialist Worker seller seems to get where I'm coming from, which is really quite amusing. I've said all along that it was a miracle that those who strove to cobble together something or other from the ashes of Sidmouth achieved anything at all. I wished them well (though with incredulity) in 1994 and have continued to do so, but it's written down nowhere that I have to actually like the overall result. I don't dislike it either but as the new Sidmouth has nothing to distinguish it from any other town-based festival, I consider it only worth attending if there's nothing better to do. It's no longer 'special'. As for my assessment of the level of intellect of some contributors, this was based on their inability to extract more than a single word out of many and thus misrepresent the context. That's 'limited'. And selfish. Though possibly not mischievous as in most cases they appear to lack the wit. Wonder which word they'll pick from this post. No, only joking. I don't care. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 19 Aug 06 - 03:50 AM The Offsprings? Black Swans? Yes, fantastic. Though absolutely not 'acts that it is impossible to catch elsewhere'. They're everywhere and have been for years. It's not necessary to go to Sidmouth to see them. They're at or on their way to your local venue now. But there's no 'Flame', no 'Fanfare For The South-West', no fabulous international dance displays, no Shooting Roots. Thus, it's not special any more. I've got to have a really good reason to wend my way to an awkward corner of this island, providing it doesn't clash with Womad as occurs some years. And there isn't one. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Ruth Archer Date: 19 Aug 06 - 03:58 AM You can't dislike it. You haven't been, and have no evidence on which to judge. Anyone with more than "limited intellect" knows that, in order to defend a position, you must present evidence for your case. Despite others giving you numerous examples of why what you say is simply not true, all you can do is keep repeating "it's no longer special. It's the same as any other town-based festival." The reason you cannot defend your argument is because you have no experience of the event. All you want is a fight and to engage in pointless one-upmanship, which is clearly why you enjoy goading Lizzie so much. You may need a place to let off steam, but I wish (and I think others would agree) that you'd find somewhere else to do your irrelevant and baseless ranting. Have you considered some sort of help? Anger management classes, maybe? BTW, I was one of those up till dawn every day and left my "brat" at home with her dad. And I still think you're full of shite. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Ruth Archer Date: 19 Aug 06 - 04:02 AM There's no Flame because people got quite badly injured while doing it. But as long as it was in the name of your amusemaent, CR, I guess it's all good. I did Womad for three years. Overcrowded, overpriced nonsense full of musical wallpaper with a campsite like a refugee camp. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 19 Aug 06 - 04:14 AM Ah right. "Dislike' is the one word to be picked on, to answer my rhetorical question. What I actually said was that I DON'T 'dislike' it, meaning actually that I don't give a toss either way because I'm not currently involved in it. Hey ho. Dunno who this unpleasant crumpet is so have no idea if it's 'full of shite' as it assumes I am. But no, I don't want a fight, but need very much to counter the patronising crap dished out by those who wish to impose their reactionary, drab and complacent view of music and indeed life on others. Sidmouth ain't special now. It's OK but ordinary. You like that? Keep going and wallow in the dreary awfulness of the Marlborough's open mic with the cornishpasties of the world. Just keep your filthy mits off the glorious trad music and dance that's been my passion for decades. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 19 Aug 06 - 04:16 AM Ah! Now I see. A Womad basher. That says it all. Come back when you've grown up. Maybe. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Ruth Archer Date: 19 Aug 06 - 04:32 AM I'm not a "basher", just expressing an opinion of an event i've actually experienced. Which is more than you're able to contribute to the current debate. Unpleasant? Honey, you've re-defined the word. My "filthy mitts" are all over the traditional music and dance you purport to love so much: I just got £17k from the Arts Council to bring traditional dance and music into local schools, delivered by some of the finest practitioners in the country. So I wonder which of us is contributing more to the health of the tradition? There are plenty of people who know who i am and what i do - the fact that you don't means nothing. Crikey, i've totally sunk to your level and given you what you want: a fight. I'm removing myself from this now to deprive you of the oxygen of attention on which you so clealy thrive. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 19 Aug 06 - 04:56 AM If the crumpet on a high seaside donkey is actually making such an important contribution to the tradition as it thinks it is (even though this seems to be at the expense of a dozen other projects starved of the Arts Council funding that s/he boasts of cornering), it would surely consider with as much disdain as I do the 'continuity and family', let's all be uncontroversially smug, middle-class R2 listeners attitude of the MOR punter who wouldn't recognise a Playford tune or a Child ballad if it bit them on the arse. But that would involve reading and comprehending the drift, not single-word-nit-picking. I re-entered this thread to shoot down someone who was being gratuitously offensive in seeking to impose said hideous lifestyle and musical constraints on everyone attending a festival. Bizarre. And I'll continue to oppose that sort of censorious crap without anyone's 'permission'. To descend for a moment to somewhere approaching the crumpet's level (at whom the criticism was not originally aimed so I can't see what the fajitas it's going on about), Sidmouth was 'mine' before it was 'yours'. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,Jon Date: 19 Aug 06 - 06:32 AM with your family around you.. Is that such a crime? Only in some quarters apparently. No pub lover but Diane seems (admitedly jumping in with her DMs on) to have taken exception to you saying: That is what the world of folk should be about - continuity and family. I would normally let that pass but as you do ask, I will say this. I can't say I'm fond of that statement. It's only a "qualifier" missing as far as I'm concerned. That maybe what the world of folkmusic is to you or what you feel it should be but it isn't that to me and I don't think it should be that. The world of folkmusic to me is diverse with people with quite different tastes, ideas and backgrounds and it represents all. Saying it should be about the family is to me, exclusive and it would cut me out for one. That it can cater for the family, that events children enjoyed were at Sidmouth are IMO great plusses but not IMO a whole way the world of folk music is or should be. The world of folk music to me is not about political activism either. In the main it provides me a way to finding, listening to , talking with, (best of all for me) playing music with other like minded people. In some ways, in truth, my main motivation is the persuance of my own enjoyment and interests, I don't feel as if I need be on any crusade to make converts, I am selective in what I take out of it (eg. I don't like all that may be classed as folk by some or even agree that some stuff is folk music at all, people exist in the world of folk who next to nothing in common with me except the general banner "folk", etc.) On the other hand, if anyone is interested, I try to share any bit of knowledge, experience, etc. I've had in my own very small way and try to put back into when I can and that too from my view point is something folk music should be about - that sort of sharing. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST Date: 19 Aug 06 - 07:00 AM Diane, I know you to speak to - we've met in person a few times at various festivals over the last few years. However, you have just become a bully online. I know you find Lizzie annoying, but I think I speak for most people on the BBC, fRoots and this this board in saying that you are far more of an annoyance - for most readers you are only barely being tolerated at the moment. Stop belittling other peoples lives and beliefs, and stop presenting your own as fact. Nobody cares where you used to work, or who you hung out with in the 60s if you use it as a weapon to beat other posters down. Your views are no more valid than anyone elses, and the majority of your postings are simply childish insults. I have attended Sidmouth since the 80s, and this years was easily back up in "specialness" terms. I am neither smug or MOR. I am more than familiar with both Playford and Child. I AM middle class, but through no fault of my own. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 19 Aug 06 - 07:15 AM I know who Joanie is Sweetums....leave her alone, she's doing far more for folk music than many other people.... The one thing that I've really enjoyed in this thread is reading how much everyone who DID come to Siddy HAS enjoyed it this year, and I'm really pleased about that. It'll be passed on to the people who organised it, although I'm sure many of them already have been reading what's been said. I'll bet it's made them feel great as well! And Jon, I'd not get too pedantic about those words above. I think perhaps what was meant was merely that Sidmouth has a very special atmosphere, in that it is very safe for children and families in general...And you don't have to have children to be part of a family you know....we ALL belong to families of some sort or another. I remember reading somewhere one of the more 'famous' folkies' Mum saying that she'd always felt that when her children were younger they were safe to wander round Siddy on their own, as there were people everywhere and so many wonderful things for the children to take part in. It DOES have a special atmosphere and the rest of the year round it is still a wonderful place for children to grow up. There were just as many people here with their elderly parents as there were with their children, and people who were just down on there own as well...Sidmouth is for everyone, as are all folk festivals, but it is a lovely place to come with children. And the folk festival community in general is hugely supportive, caring, peaceful and uplifting and there's nothing wrong with that. It is what our society in general is desperately short of right now...and I've said many a time that society has a great deal to learn from the folk world, for as Jan said, it IS about family (of all sorts), community and continuity....and long may that continue..... Lizzie :0) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John MacKenzie Date: 19 Aug 06 - 07:29 AM If, as someone said LC is on Prozac, what the fuck is CR on?? G |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,Jon Date: 19 Aug 06 - 07:35 AM I remember reading somewhere one of the more 'famous' folkies' Mum saying that she'd always felt that when her children were younger they were safe to wander round Siddy on their own, as there were people everywhere and so many wonderful things for the children to take part in. It DOES have a special atmosphere and the rest of the year round it is still a wonderful place for children to grow up. That doesn't sound especially unusual to me and while I haven't been anywhere where there are "special childrens festivals", the forming of sort of "families" where people will keep an eye on other people's property, kids, even other adults if they've had a few to many... is familiar to me. It strikes me that it might be something that is going though. A few years back, I had a Walkman stolen from some we thought to be "some of us", something you never used to dream of happening, I've read elsewhere that some festivals (and presumably larger more popular ones) have suffered from "tent thieves" who are buying season tickets to rob. I'd like to think I'm wrong but I can't really imagine Sidmouth or anywhere being "special" enough to escape from this. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST Date: 19 Aug 06 - 07:37 AM And Jon, I'd not get too pedantic about those words above. Lizzie, I only responded as Pudlover asked and asked in a way which didn't really reflect what she had said (OK perhaps not meant to say) at first. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 19 Aug 06 - 07:45 AM Well, I'm not even going to begin speculating who you are, Guest. If you actually were a friend you'd call or mail me like a normal human being. As I pointed out several posts back, I only re-entered this thread after a particularly smug and insulting post pontificating on how Sidmouth-goers should be family-orientated non-boat-rockers and status quo upholders from somehow who had just showed up and felt like preaching. In doing so I've not disclosed any details of my own lifestyle, present or past activities. Those who know me are aware of who I am, who I 'used to be' and what I do. Those who don't have no right to tell me how I should live, conjecture on how I might or - particularly in this context - tell me what I should think and do. Particularly when they can't be arsed to READ THE SODDING THREAD, but just pick out the odd word here and there. I've told no-one how they should lively up their lives (though could well have implied it) but will continue to have a lot to say to those with an appalling 'good enough for f*lk' lackadaisical approach and complete unawareness of and lack of respect for the tradition. Though not at the BBC. Haven't been there for ages since the forum got lost in MySpace. At fRoots I rip up misguided boorish anoraks before breakfast. I've reiterated several times what I used to find 'special' about Sidmouth and is absent now. Others say they are content, well, good for them. I'm not. What do you want me to do? Pretend? Lie? I don't do these things and thus retain self-respect. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 19 Aug 06 - 07:48 AM That's OK Jon, but don't get led down Diane's road. It's being inferred that all sorts of things were meant by that comment, merely to start an arguement. I know Pudlover, very well, she has become a dear friend, purely because of Sidmouth you know! I'm sure that many other people have life-long friends because of Sidmouth too.... Yes, there was an instrument stolen from Sidmouth this year, I'm sure you read about it on here and on the BBC. It's happening all over the place, I think Annie put a piece from Steve Heap on the BBC board, saying that he's aware of these 'gangs' who are targetting folk festivals now... Even more reason for us all to come together, as a community and as a nation, to first accept what is happening in our society and then to try and bring back some of the values and commnunity spirit that once used to be there. And MacKenzie! Where were you hiding then????? ;-) I'm not on Prozac...I'm on folk/roots music and Myspace! :0) And now...we're off to Dartmoor to climb a few tors.... Lizzie :0) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 19 Aug 06 - 07:50 AM . . . I just noticed that about a million posts back I put the demise of the old Sidmouth at 1994 instead of 2004. It just feels like that long ago . . . |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 19 Aug 06 - 07:51 AM Uh Oh...Sweetum's woken up again! Never mind...she can have a field day in here whilst I'm having a Moor Day 'out there'.... ;0) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 19 Aug 06 - 07:55 AM what the fuck is CR on?? Headache pills. To be succeeded shortly by a lot of vodka. And probably crack cocaine. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Ruth Archer Date: 19 Aug 06 - 08:02 AM *yawn* |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John MacKenzie Date: 19 Aug 06 - 08:02 AM Nice one Countess ¦¬] Lizzie I was hiding from you, and successfully it would appear. I was hiding in full view in The Bedford The New Tavern, The Swan and The Anchor, among others! Giok |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 19 Aug 06 - 08:09 AM It's being inferred Surely you mean implied: ferro ferre tuli latum, the most irregular of all Latin irregular verbs. Even that isn't quite right. 'Twas no 'implication' but a blatant attempt to impose Kinder Kirsche Kuche on the masses. Yeah, I know who the crumpet is too. Trying to blag clogs all over the place. Why can't the little bastards buy their own? |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST Date: 19 Aug 06 - 08:13 AM That's OK Jon, but don't get led down Diane's road. No, Lizzie, my road is different to Diane's and I think always will be. I think I have more in common with her within "folk" than I have with you but that's as far as it goes. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 19 Aug 06 - 08:16 AM that's as far as it goes Phew! |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,Jon Date: 19 Aug 06 - 08:17 AM LOL |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 19 Aug 06 - 08:24 AM That very nice Bob Walton has just reported on Sidmouth @ fRoots, from which I'm sure he won't mind if I reproduce the following: Without the Arena, and all the benefits and problems it brings (the treadmill that Mrs Casey was continually tring to tame) the festival will never be the same, IMHO. Whether it can retain that unique Sidmouth atmosphere without that and the more international flavour remains to be seen: I guess there's a danger that it will turn into just another week long British Folk Festival. I sincerely hope not, but who knows. So go and kick him instead. If you dare. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John MacKenzie Date: 19 Aug 06 - 09:05 AM Sounds as though he is sitting on the fence there CR. He may have damned by faint praise, but it is very faint, as is his condemnation. G. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,pragmatist Date: 19 Aug 06 - 09:09 AM I miss the arena shows and the international teams, and agree that without them sidmouth has lost some of its special magic, but let's be realistic. The reason that sidmouth was unique in these features is because no other organisers have had the nerve, or should that be foolhardiness, to mount something similar. Before the collapse of the communist countries many of the foreign teams were heavily subsidised by their governments. Now they have to be paid for. The Arena infrastructure was a huge expense, and in wet weather lost money hand over fist. The present organisers have done a marvellous job to keep the folk week going, having gambled their own money on the Bedford concerts, the Lastminute ceilidhs, the Ham etc. It might not be the old festival with its special magic, but it has given a lot of people a lot of pleasure. Could the people complaining that sidmouth is now just another standard festival please make constructive suggestions about how a return of the arena could be financed. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 19 Aug 06 - 09:26 AM In the rest of it, which you can read on the fR Letters Board, he goes on about having a lovely time blah blah blah, which I'm sure anybody could manage given the array of things to do. Point is that, like me, he doubts whether Sidmouth can be anything more than just another festival. That's not a bad thing to say and certainly not a matter for twisted knickers. Many people seem to like standardised festivals just as they apparently like shopping in high street chains. Just as you'll get the same stuff from any branch of Tesco, there's not much difference between what's on offer at Warwick, Priddy or Cleethorpes. Just visit your nearest branch for your trollyful of Watersons, Carthys, Lakepersons and Chumbawambas. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 19 Aug 06 - 09:29 AM "Could the people complaining that sidmouth is now just another standard festival please make constructive suggestions about how a return of the arena could be financed." You did read this didn't you CR? Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 19 Aug 06 - 09:31 AM Could the people complaining that sidmouth is now just another standard festival please make constructive suggestions about how a return of the arena could be financed I could. But it would be an extremely long diatribe on the iniquities of arts funding in general and I . . . really . . . can't . . . be . . . arsed. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 19 Aug 06 - 09:39 AM "I . . . really . . . can't . . . be . . . arsed". Until you can don't expect me to have any sympathy for your point of view. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 19 Aug 06 - 09:48 AM Why should I have a point of view on funding? It's not my area and never has been. Artistic direction and stage management, yes. How to pay for it is someone else's problem. I could formulate the arguments to put to ACE (or anybody else with dosh) but I haven't (obviously) the patience to make up budgets and try and convince people who don't care that they should , |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 19 Aug 06 - 10:00 AM "Artistic direction and stage management" I thought what you were saying was that what is put on at Sidmouth make it too run-of -the-mill. You have experience in the fields you mention? Offer you services to the organising team and make a more constructive contribution. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 19 Aug 06 - 10:17 AM Well, of course, I could. I could say 'this is who I want to book and this is what I want to do and this is how I want to organise it. I'll need x-no of stages all under cover, x-no of crew, technicians, runners etc. Additionally, I need rehearsal space (so often overlooked) and cash on hand for props, costumes, day payments. You have the money upfront (not from box office receipts) to pay for venue hire, fees and expenses and accommodation that my faithful sidekick producer has detailed here, haven't you?' I don't think they'd regard this as a 'constructive contribution'. Not until they'd sorted the funding hurdle. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Ruth Archer Date: 19 Aug 06 - 10:20 AM you haven't the patience, or you haven't the skill? Fundraising is a highly skilled area, but the funding itself is so skewed in particular directions that getting funding for programming in festivals is VERY difficult. I've managed to get £4k towards my programme, but I was very crafty. I was told at the outset of the consultation process that funding for programming in festivals is rare as hen's teeth. And anyway, any funding achieved is year-on-year (must be re-applied for, with no guarantee of renewal) and you have to prove that what you're doing in subsequent years represents "new activity". The only reprieve from this loop is to become a Regularly Funded Organisation, and that is VERY hard. So The organisers of Sidmouth could re-introduce the arena one year, and not be able to achieve the funding for the next. The application process is long and labour intensive. For large-scale fundraising you really need a dedicated member of staff - I doubt the current committee would be in a position to create such a post. It is incredibly easy to be flippant about all of these issues; addressing them in any meaningful way is another matter. BTW, I presume the "iniquities" of the funding system refers to grants like mine, as you took a sidelong swipe at it earlier. Well, I played the game. I looked at the Arts Council's priorities and criteria, I consulted with my local office, and made sure my project was fulfilling a need, which is essential to a successful application. The system may be imperfect, but the key is not to get bitter and negative and instead try to make good things happen within its confines. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 19 Aug 06 - 10:36 AM Thats strikes me as an Own Goal Diane. You are saying that what you have to offer isn't going to be seen as helpful and I imagine that means you are not goiing to offer. Therefore all your postings to this thread have been to no avail. You haven't convinced the rest of us and you can't convince the festival organisers so the whole thing has been a waste of your effort and our time. Goodbye! Our paths (and swords?) will cross somewhere else in Mudcat I'm sure. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 19 Aug 06 - 10:37 AM I have neither the patience nor the skill. I've already said that in no way would I involve myself in funding applications. I know about the long and intensive process from others who have been embroiled in it. I didn't 'take a swipe' at the grant you succeeded in getting, I merely drew attention to the fact that many, many other equally valid projects would have missed out because allocation is so unfair and the amount of money available so inadequate. Even if a fundraiser post, which I agree is desirable, were to be created I wouldn't be applying for it. My skills lie in spending the money effectively once in place, not worrying about where it's going to come from. And it's not going to get better without radical reorganisation of priorities at governmental level which result in vastly increased arts funding on a par with other European countries (and probably others but I don't have adequate information) where massive free festivals with municipal and national funding are the norm. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 19 Aug 06 - 10:41 AM How much more simply can I put it? Give me the money and I'll do it. But they haven't got the money. So what I say I want to do won't be seen as helpful. Will it? |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 19 Aug 06 - 10:48 AM . . . does anybody mind if I go out to . . . er . . . Tesco now? |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Ron Davies Date: 19 Aug 06 - 12:18 PM "Countess"-- Just what do you have against cherries? (Kinder, Kirsche, Kuche) (sic) If you're trying to put us down through your erudition, you'd best proofread a bit more carefully. And by all means go to Tesco--just please don't patronize Asda (now owned by Walmart). Thanks. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Gervase Date: 19 Aug 06 - 12:24 PM At fRoots I rip up misguided boorish anoraks before breakfast. I think that says it all, really. I can breathe a sigh of relief that, insofaras I am aware, my path and Diane's have never crossed. The internet may be a remarkable phenomenon, but it has alllowed rather too many people with Asperger's a free rein to show their bullying side under the cloak of anonymity. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John MacKenzie Date: 19 Aug 06 - 12:52 PM Of course Sidmouth will be 'just like any other festival' as long as it books the same acts as all the other festivals seem to do. It may be just me, but every festival I look at seems to have Seth Lakeman, Coope Boyes and Simpson,Spiers and Boden, Flook etc. Good acts they may be, but are folk festivals getting like our identikit high streets have become? Giok |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 19 Aug 06 - 01:54 PM I went to Sainsburys actually. And bought some cherries from the stall by the church. OK? No idea why I'm telling you this. I'm not anonymous. Far too many people know me, or presume to do so. Nor have I Asberger's. If I had I'd ignore all the shite some people come out with and be totally unaffected. As it is, I'm barracked by the literacy-challenged who are capable only of picking out words in isolation regardless of grammatical structure and context. I've not been in Sidmouth for two years for oft-explained reasons. It's not written down anywhere that I must to go, nor that I should put up with a format I'm not satisfied with, nor that I must assume 'family and continuity' as a goddam motto. People keep forgetting, or more likely, have a compulsive urge, to put words into my mouth that I never said, the latest being that I am refusing to offer assistance to the organising committee with a funding application. It's because it's not what I DO, fer chrissake. I come on forums (with decreasing frequency} to answer questions and impart information. Those who never bother to read what's gone before are one kind of irritant. More insidious is the boorish anorak who has detailed knowledge of one tiny area. You make a statement about whatever. Oh no, he says (jeez, isn't it always a he?) and launches into a hectoring diatribe that's entirely unrelated except for . . . yeah, it's that 'one-word' syndrome in another form. (I just said . . . ah, sodoff). If it's 'bullying' to snap at them to shut the fuck up occasionally, then I'm a bully. 'lizziecornish' has more pseudonyms and aliases than anyone on the internet. She's a random spam generating program, y'know, who has cloned all the posters who claim they 'know' her. When she's not embarrassing the hell out of performers that she's 'discovered' and fawns over with sycophantic inaccuracy, she's spreading inexplicable rumours like I and others were secretly in Sidmouth last year. None of us was. One such was the Editor of fRoots against whom she launched one of her most vicious hate campaigns. She imagines it irritates him greatly to call the mag 'Folk Roots' and does so at every opportunity yet when some poor punter asked where to buy a mag of this name (which it used to bear), she swooped in with her 'gypsy' cloak snarling that getting the name right might help. Oh, but it's not just me and him, it's anybody who actually knows more than her about music (and that's a lot of people) that she gets into a strop with when they don't agree that her latest fave is the best ornot agree with her about anything, really, from education policy (she knows best and home educates - jeez, can you imagine?) to what to do when she's finally driven her children to drink). She did a lot of that during the MySpace controversy when floundering about way out of her depth, even to the extent of telling a prestigious musbiz lawyer that Rupie Murdoch wouldn't screw artists (ha!) So 'gervase', in your quest for bullying online pests, do cast your eyes in the right direction, there's a good chap. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Ron Davies Date: 19 Aug 06 - 02:08 PM "Countess"-- "Kinder, Kirsche..."--just be sure to proofread if you want to impress--or put us down. Otherwise it's just possible you may come across as an arrogant--but ignorant- prat. And I'm sure we wouldn't want that. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 19 Aug 06 - 02:18 PM I didn't buy any kitchens and certainly not any bloody children while I was out. What I'm eating out of a bag must, therefore be either churches or cherries. I don't really know or care that much. Or maybe they're hot cross buns. Or simnel cake. Or communion wafers. Ah, that reminds me, a bottle of Merlot . . . |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Ron Davies Date: 19 Aug 06 - 02:22 PM You mean there's a chance you actually may know what you say. That's a relief. Congratulations. That was close. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Ron Davies Date: 19 Aug 06 - 02:23 PM Now all you have to do is develop just a bit of tolerance. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 19 Aug 06 - 02:27 PM Hello guys! Gosh...Sweetums HAS been busy!! ;0) First of all could I just comment on one of her remarks about helping with the organisatin of Sidmouth Folk Week, funding or indeed much else.. "I . . . really . . . can't . . . be . . . arsed". EXACTLY!! I'm sure I can hear the Directors of Sidmouth Folk Week possibly heaving a collected and huge sigh of relief from here. However I think I should point out that unlike Diane, they DID bother to be 'arsed' over Sidmouth. Indeed they barely sat down on their situpons for the whole of the end of last year or most of this year, as they worked their fingers, and their minds, to the bone, to ensure that Sidmouth Lives! And even during Sidmouth they were all dashing round most days, phones in hands, sorting things out, having daily meetings whilst most people were still asleep or munching their bacon sarnies.... If you've nowt to offer Diane, then possibly you ought to put your foot into your mouth, or your head up.........somewhere else. With regards to Ian Anderson, I'll not be goaded into bringing Ian into any of this madness that you're pouring out on here, in the slightest way whatsoever, and that's all I've got to say about that. Sidmouth Folk Week is it's own wonderful celebration of traditional/folk/roots music. It is NOT Sidmouth International Festival. It never set out to be that. It is new, has just had it's 2nd birthday and will go on to grow from a slightly troubled toddler who wobbles a bit on unsteady feet now and again, to a strong, striding adult, who knows exactly where it's going, with it's head held high and pointing in the right direction. I'm afraid you can't go to Sidmouth International Festival anymore, so you'll have to mourn in private, where at least you may be able to keep your dignity. We're loving OUR Folk Week, it is very, very special, mainly because it is OURS! It belongs to Sidmouth again...to the town and to all the people who've chosen to remain with it. And now...it's time to make tea in my Sidmouth house...so..if you'll excuse me..... Lizzie :0) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 19 Aug 06 - 02:28 PM No, I'm not sharing my wine. Get yourself down an identikit high street and get your own. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 19 Aug 06 - 02:34 PM No, I'm not sharing my wine.!!!! Who asked you too? |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 19 Aug 06 - 02:35 PM Sounds like you'll soon be singing Show of Hands 'Cutthroats Crooks & Conmen'....or even 'Country Life' (!!!!!) ;0) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 19 Aug 06 - 02:36 PM Sorry Dave, my messge there was for Diane, just to avoid confusion. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 19 Aug 06 - 02:38 PM S'alright Lizzie. I've got a bottle of my is all Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 19 Aug 06 - 02:39 PM And 500!! |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 19 Aug 06 - 02:43 PM . . . that was, of course, to Ron Davies, not madlizzie, though I'd not offer her a glass of wine either though might pour a particulary vile bottle (such as an oversweet Gewürztraminer - and don't bother to tell me if I haven't spelled that right, I'm hardly likely to have a bottle here to check - ) over her head. Ah, yet another case of literacy deficiency. The reason why I couldn't be arsed to contribute anything to the Sidmouth committee is because what I could contribute couldn't be paid for. It would be pointless to offer my skills when there is no-one to do the fundraising. In common with the hatted person, madlizzie clearly hasn't a clue what event organisation entails. Go and ask the crumpet, who does. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 19 Aug 06 - 02:50 PM What you don't know Diane is that I work for an Arts organisation and know exactly what is needed in the way of fundraising and event co-ordination. And before you leap in and suggest I offer my services ,be advised that I did what I was able to do for Folkweek both this year and last. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 19 Aug 06 - 02:58 PM Oh good, then you will realise how ridiculous it is that madlizzie assumes that I should volunteer myself for fundraising when I don't do sodding fundraising. It is an entirely different skill which I don't have a clue how to carry out. I said above what I could do and how pointless it would be to elaborate on what I would need when there was no bleedin' dosh to do it and no-one to raise it. Why does nobody ever read the fucking thread? |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Barden of England Date: 19 Aug 06 - 03:05 PM Well - how unexpected that Dianne Easby would come here and be disruptive. All she can ever spout is what Other people write about a festival she has not attended for the last few years , nor wishes to attend in future. Vitriol from a non entity thrills nor bothers me. Come on Dianne - try sticks and stones, rather than inanely spouting that it's all MOR crap. For a so called knowledgeable person, how comes the majority who went to this festival found it fun, and you - who never went - are such an almighty authority? My opinion - You're just a sad person who just pours forth garbage - and now I expect you will then spew forth fire and brimstone in my direction. Well - please bring it on - I'm waiting!!! John Barden |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 19 Aug 06 - 03:08 PM Horses for courses Diane. If you have a skill that can be utilised why not offer it? I read what you said earlier but if you have Stage management experience it could be that you help out with ,say, the Ham concerts. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: melodeonboy Date: 19 Aug 06 - 03:12 PM Oh, here we go again. Yet another thread dragged into the abyss by our two dear matrons, LC and CR. I'm off elsewhere (and I hope they don't follow me - watch your backs!). |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 19 Aug 06 - 03:26 PM Waiting for what? Last time you spoke to me it was just after Sidmouth when I'd been (obviously) at Womad and you promised to clear me a space at the Bedford this year. I was unable to come but didn't shed tears over it because I missed very little that I couldn't catch elsewhere (the Reeds concert & Mike Waterson - that's about it). Sidmouth is no longer special to me for reasons fully outlined which you clearly have not assimilated. If it's special to you or anyone else, that's entirely up to you, go but don't try and bludgeon anyone else into a boring and distasteful 'family and continuity' fest. It's insulting. I mentioned MOR crap in the context of what a certain contingent appears to favour at what used to be the Marlborough. Again, a literacy deficiency in thread-reading. I don't consider open mics to have a great deal to do with the Sidmouth I used to know. Each to their own but again, don't ram it down my throat. I've been asked what I could contribute. I've said what I could do. Another literacy failure? This was in the context of what would need to be done to incorporate Arena and international events. It would be entirely pointless to present such proposals which could never be afforded without massive fundraising (and no-one to do it) and as such would not be regarded as helpful. It's all been said before. Not disruptive. Realistic. And stop putting an extra 'n' in my name. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Barden of England Date: 19 Aug 06 - 03:58 PM OK, so Sidmouth is no longer special to you. I have assimilated that, no problem. So where's your problem Dianne (with two n's for that's the way I spell it - or have you not assimilated that yet?). When you do people the simple courtesy of treating them like adults then I might try and do that too - until the you are just two n's to me. To continue - Sidmouth is no longer special to you - but the vast majority of people have come here to say how much they enjoyed it, and what do you do? - just poured vitriol. Seems to me that Sidmouth may well indeed be special them, but you want it to be as it was. Well, how's about putting up the money for it to be as was? There is no funding from EDDC - there never was going to be and that's the main reason why Mrs. Casey pulled out as I see it. I intend to live the future, not the past - and Folk music, and Folk events include not only the past, but the here and now, and of course are looking to the future too. And bring on the family fests - the more the merrier. As to ramming things down throats - perhaps a look toward oneself might be handy, but are you capable of that? I sincerely hope so. John Barden |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 19 Aug 06 - 04:05 PM "but are you capable of that?" I don't think so John! Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 19 Aug 06 - 04:36 PM Mister Bahhhhh Dung Oh, so it's why don't I pay for it now? Moi? Actually, I wrote quite a lot earlier about arts funding at governmental level which you obviously didn't read either. I also said far above, quoting Bob Walton, that he doubted whether Sidmouth could be anything more than just another festival. I commented that this was scarcely a bad thing to say and certainly not a matter for twisted knickers. Odd that you call it 'vitriol' Do you know what this is? BW, me, and quite a lot of other people see Sidmouth falling prey to what Giok calls the 'identikit high street' syndrome. In other words, it matters very little which festival you go to (or which branch of Tesco), they're all the bleedin' same. Some people, presumably your Bedford clientele, like this. Any semblance of edge makes them feel unsafe. Not for me. That's boring, not special. Actually, it's becoming increasingly necessary to ram the truth down the throats of those incapable of assimilating what's been said many times over. I know what I've said. You just haven't been arsed to look at it. It's a diminishing option to treat anyone with the reading capability of a deranged, educationally subnormal gnat as an actual adult person. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John MacKenzie Date: 19 Aug 06 - 04:52 PM Oh come on now Diane, say what you really mean, don't hold back on our account! G ¦¬] |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 19 Aug 06 - 05:00 PM . . . oh, and do I want to 'help stagemanage' The Ham? No thanks. Done that. The challenge from 'the pragmatist' was how to reincorporate the Arena and the international aspect. Yes I could do that as an overall project but as there is not a hope in hell of paying for it there's not a lot of point in submitting proposals. They would hardly be viewed as helpful. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Lizzie Cornish Date: 19 Aug 06 - 05:12 PM Er....do you think that the Directors of Sidmouth Folk Week would actually WANT you on the board Diane??????? Just a thought.... |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 19 Aug 06 - 05:13 PM So do you want Arena events Diane? It seems to me that's what you feel is missing. So do you have a suggestion as to how that might occur? Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 19 Aug 06 - 05:35 PM I outlined it much higher up. Thought you said you'd read it. As no-one has even begun to think about funding, it would obviously not be feasible till 2008 at the earliest. This, as somebody might recall, was the projected timescale of the original plans as outlined by Derek Schofield i.e. Sidmouth would be relaunched this year. Cos that's how long funding applications take, Additionally, that's how far forward many bookings need to be made. Even then, it's a massive initial outlay without knowing whether a funding application will succeed. Can't see them biting, do you? Nah, they'll just stick with CBS and a Lakeperson or two, zzzzzzzzzzzz. And I wouldn't be climbing on board anywhere without artistic freedom and enough working capital upfront - but push that madlizzie off the top of Jacob's Ladder anyway. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 19 Aug 06 - 06:02 PM As it happens I don't think the Arena concerts will be reintroduced for several years yet - if at all. I rarely attended arena events anyway so it makes little difference to me and most of the people I assciate with at Sidmouth. I know you fell Sidders is now a mundane festival but for goodness sake, having made your point several times, stop ranting at the rest of us. And pushing anyone off Jacobs Ladder is hardly civilised behavior. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John MacKenzie Date: 19 Aug 06 - 06:25 PM Could be fun though Dave ¦¬] |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 19 Aug 06 - 06:26 PM Are you drawing up a list Giok? Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 19 Aug 06 - 06:39 PM I was answering a question put by a contributor about reintroducing Arena concerts and an international element. That would be the scenario to do so. Isn't it a tad selfish to care little whether this ever happens just because you and your mates spend all your time in the pub anyway? Aren't you supposed to have the festival's future at heart? Doesn't sound like it. Stating the bleedin' obvious is not ranting. It is stating the bleedin' obvious. Ridiculous, hostile responses which have no bearing on aforegoing statements might, however be considered as such. 'The rest of us' is no homogenous mass. Odd that you disregard everyone else whose view of recent Sidmouth history is as lukewarm as mine. Do you know that they're all bigger than me, by any chance? And madlizzie's inane behaviour is far from civilised and merits an uncivilised solution. Or give her the funding application to do. It'll be so crazed it might even succeed. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 19 Aug 06 - 06:57 PM Were it not for my friends from the Middle bar and the rest of the the Fringe sessions and singarounds Folk Week 2005 (yes 05) would not have occured. People from these Fringe events are now Directors annd Trustees of the Festival and many others gave their time and effort as Stewards in one form or another. Yes I am one of the Middle bar Singers but a lot of my time is given to the festival while I am at Sidders. I resent the fact that you suggest I don't have the future of the festival at heart. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 19 Aug 06 - 07:00 PM Do you? |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 19 Aug 06 - 07:03 PM In words of one syllable! Yes |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 19 Aug 06 - 07:44 PM So why did you prejudice it by deviating from the original plan to miss out 2005 in order to give the festival a better chance of getting off the ground with properly co-ordinated planning in 2006? |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 19 Aug 06 - 08:06 PM What prejudice? When the "Fringe" declared their intention to be back for 2005 John Dowell, Derek Schofield, Barry Lister,Tom Addiscombe John Golightly and the others all came onside and worked together to put on 2005 which in fact made a bit of a profit to put in the kitty for future years. All in all 2005 assited, the "original plan" to produce a 2006 festival. Again I say I resent your suggestion. Also I object to the PM you sent to me and also, I hear, Lynne. If you can state you case why can't we? Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 19 Aug 06 - 08:35 PM prejudice: verb = to disadvantage As any fule kno, it takes rather more than a year organise a festival and rather a lot of people thought it a hell of a risk to change the plan after the original stated intention of taking a year off. It could have gone pear-shaped but did not far more by good luck than management. PMs: it is normal procedure to confine personal exchanges to offlist messages which is where such matters belong. It is also standard behaviour to reply to them, rather than to bring the issue back to the forum. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Dave Earl Date: 20 Aug 06 - 04:17 AM Look here I can't be bothered to argue with you any more over this issue. Despite what you say,Sidmouth 2005 was a succuss and 2006 an even greater sudcess. If it is not to your taste don't go. Another contributer to this thread has complained to Mudcat Central about you. That person and I have agreeed that we will leave you to your own oppinions and will not engage in further discussions with you> Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Ruth Archer Date: 20 Aug 06 - 04:22 AM Diane, what is your evidence that the decision to go ahead with a 2005 festival damaged Sidmouth's long-term future? There's something to be said for continuity in these things: audiences develop habits of attendance, and skipping a year could have been quite risky in its own right. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Barden of England Date: 20 Aug 06 - 04:47 AM Bahhhhh Dung here - calling the countess richard I see you are using your usual petty trick, but it bothers me not. I worked in the chemical industry for ten years so I have a sound knowledge of what vitriol is - and I reiterate that you simply spill it everwhere with regard to what Sidmouth has become. I certainly did read what you had written earlier, but took it in the light of you ramming things down peoples throats. You often accuse people of not reading what you have written, and treat them with contempt, or with such disdain that I actually believe that some do not. I have read it and have decided to treat it with the same contempt and disdain that you meter out so freely and frequently. If you had read mine you may have noticed that I had said that the vast majority who had contibuted to this forum have said that they enjoyed it - and they went. All you can do is quote Bob Walton. One against many in my view - very poor statistics don't you think? However, with your blinkered attitude I'm aware that you will continue to rubbish the festival, me, Lizzie of course, and anybody you think you can bully. You frighten, nor perturb me not, and next year, whilst in Sidmouth I might give a passing thought to the'ACID' that you continue to pour forth and have a good chuckle to myself. That may well be in the Bedford, or one of the concerts that I do attend, of maybe in a workshop enjoying myself like the vast majority will be. You surely will not be missed. As for the Arena - good riddance in my view. John Barden |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 20 Aug 06 - 05:10 AM I said nothing of the kind. I said that such haste was considered inadvisable by many because of the insufficient timescale for planning and booking. It was a risk. The risk you mention of skipping a year is also a real one. An identical dilemma arose at Beverley some years ago. In each case, a sort of festival somehow muddled through, hampered by opposing cliques, each convinced that one or other course of action was the only way, without a great deal of reference to the hard financial and practical considerations. I am thoroughly tired of many (most) contributors to this thread shooting their mouths off without bothering to read what's been said before nor taking the trouble to look at the simple facts (as succinctly outlined by Steve Heap when outlining his rationale for relinquishing control in 2004), and diminishing the matter to 'you're not in the Middle Bar gang, you're not one of us' as though it was a playground squabble. Sidmouth has meant infinitely more to a whole lot of people than huddling in a pub all day (which could be done anywhere) and yes, we would like the old Sidmouth, that the loud-mouthed gang of recent camp followers actually know nothing about, back. As this would make not the slightest difference to a few people stuck in a bar, it is quite astonishing that they kick up such whingeing, abusive fuss at those who do want it. Not that it's coming: my outline of how it could be achieved would be dismissed out of hand because no-one has the slightest clue about how to raise the dosh. That's why I couldn't be arsed to waste hours costing and explaining it: the present 'management' has neither the vision nor commitment and meanwhile, Sidmouth becomes 'just another festival'. Keep it. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Barden of England Date: 20 Aug 06 - 05:16 AM Sidmouth has meant infinitely more to a whole lot of people than huddling in a pub all day (which could be done anywhere) and yes, we would like the old Sidmouth, that the loud-mouthed gang of recent camp followers actually know nothing about, back. As this would make not the slightest difference to a few people stuck in a bar, it is quite astonishing that they kick up such whingeing, abusive fuss at those who do want it. See what I mean. I really love the bit about it is quite astonishing that they kick up such whingeing, abusive fuss at those who do want it. Oh my - and there's me thinking it was DIANNE who was doing that. Silly me. John Barden |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Barden of England Date: 20 Aug 06 - 05:18 AM And as part of what I mean how's about this for abusive. It came in an answer to me. It's a diminishing option to treat anyone with the reading capability of a deranged, educationally subnormal gnat as an actual adult person. Clearly not abusive. John Barden |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 20 Aug 06 - 05:20 AM The above post was for the crumpet. And Mr Dung: whether or not I happen to be in Sidmouth next or any other year is actually none of your goddam business. You have no control over the entry roads. I'll not be working though nor making any 'contribution' as this would clearly be inappropriate and you wouldn't like my material anyway (if you did I'd know I was going wrong somewhere . . .). I may be a mere observer or just a punter, why I even turn up at former glories such as Cambridge once in a while, just to write a 'vitriolic' piece about how it's all gone wrong. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 20 Aug 06 - 05:23 AM abusive Indeed not. 'Tis what we call in the trade 'fair comment'. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Barden of England Date: 20 Aug 06 - 05:28 AM The trade being what? If witing It's a diminishing option to treat anyone with the reading capability of a deranged, educationally subnormal gnat as an actual adult person. as fair comment, then the trade I presume is 'HM inspeptor of Sewers', because it's certainly bilge. John Barden |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 20 Aug 06 - 05:34 AM How very constructive, Mr Dung. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Barden of England Date: 20 Aug 06 - 05:40 AM It was though wasn't it. Mr. Dung |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John MacKenzie Date: 20 Aug 06 - 05:54 AM Well Diane you've certainly stirred up a few murky bits off the bottom on this thread, although none of them worth complaining to Mudcat Central about in my opinion, but then 'Robust' discussion is not to everybody's taste. A lot of what you say makes sense, and you obviously know what you're talking about on certain subjects. It's none of my business of course , but I suggest you'd get a kinder response if you abandoned the 'Attack is the best form of defence' school of writing. Sidmouth is like all festivals, i.e. factional, and there will always be the afficianados of the Arena, while others would never go there in a million years. I myself only go for the fringe events and the company, don't like sitting in rows among crowds, no matter what's on. On Wednesday or Thursday night I was sitting on the bus at the Byes waiting to return to the camp site when I guy sat down beside me. He started ranting on about his belief that the bar staff at the Radway should get treble time for having to listen to three hours of folk which nearly all sounded the same. Now obviously some people enjoyed it or it wouldn't have happened, and my thought was, 'Why the f**k didn't he go to another pub'; the conclusion I came to is that he enjoyed a good moan more than he enjoyed the music. We have a few people on here who also enjoy a good moan more than anything else, please don't join them! Giok |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Barden of England Date: 20 Aug 06 - 06:03 AM I agree with you 'Giok'. Well said and and to the point. John Barden |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 20 Aug 06 - 06:19 AM Ah, the Radway. Right. Good thinking Giok. They'll never get me if I hide in there. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Ruth Archer Date: 20 Aug 06 - 06:36 AM [i]my outline of how it could be achieved would be dismissed out of hand because no-one has the slightest clue about how to raise the dosh. That's why I couldn't be arsed to waste hours costing and explaining it: the present 'management' has neither the vision nor commitment[/i] that's an outrageous thing to say. I'm sorry, but it is. I have every respect for the current management committee and what they've achieved in two shot years. On what do you base this accusation? They've invested their own money, for heaven's sake. What more evidence of commitment do you need than that? |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 20 Aug 06 - 06:43 AM They don't want it. One of them just said so. That's fair enough and quite sufficient to persuade me that telling them how they could would be a complete waste of time. As well as being unaffordable. NB: To apply html styles on Mudcat you need to use angle brackets. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Barden of England Date: 20 Aug 06 - 06:51 AM Yes and to repeat, good riddance to the Arena in my view. If it could be a covered venue, then perhaps it has some sort of future, but sitting on that slope in the pouring rain was not my idea of fun. I'd rather see that sort of money spent on an international contingent and see that transfered to the Blackmore or the Ham, or of course the tent in the sky. John Barden |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 20 Aug 06 - 06:57 AM In my rough outline of how I would do it I did say that I'd be telling the committee how many stages would be needed ALL COVERED, how many crew, SMs, runners plus cash upfront for costumes and props . . . and just imagining the look on their faces as the producer unveiled the costings. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John MacKenzie Date: 20 Aug 06 - 08:21 AM Well I think we're now talking pie in the sky, as it isn't going to happen. If you want to see international folk dance and singing etc., I suggest you go to the Welsh National Eistedffod.[sp?] Giok |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 20 Aug 06 - 08:28 AM pie in the sky I think what you mean is pigs in the sky. My terms for making it happen: (1) complete artistic control (2) an adequate budget with funds in place (3) a flock of airborne pigs swooping gently over Salcombe Hill. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 20 Aug 06 - 08:31 AM If you want to see international folk dance and singing . . . . . . Go to WOMAD. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Barden of England Date: 20 Aug 06 - 08:32 AM Nice one Diane - I rather like that. Well done John Barden |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST Date: 20 Aug 06 - 08:48 AM "Eistedffod.[sp?]" Eisteddfod, giok. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Ron Davies Date: 20 Aug 06 - 09:06 AM My understanding is that one of the main problems with the Arena is the skyrocketing price of insurance. The weather question was bad enough--but, now, of course, we have the terrorism issue to throw into the mix. Is this not so? |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John MacKenzie Date: 20 Aug 06 - 09:21 AM All public accessible activities are prohibitively expensive to mount these days, between insurance and health and safety regulations. I know that the H&S rules make sense, but sometimes I wonder if they don't go a bit too far in catering for the lowest common denominator of eedjits! It's like the bouncers at the Anchor, they're required to have them there, but only due to a minority of troublemakers. It doesn't stop the determined trouble maker but it does put the price of the beer up, and contributes towards the general inconvenience of the rest of us law abiding folkies. Giok |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Barden of England Date: 20 Aug 06 - 09:52 AM I wonderwith regard to H & S. Who do they report to? If it's themselves then no wonder it's such a bind. I do however believe it's our increasingly letigious society that is causing the big problem with H & S along with the insurance costs. John Barden |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Ron Davies Date: 20 Aug 06 - 10:07 AM Another intriguing theory I heard in Sidmouth this year about the dearth of international dance troupes: Before the Iron Curtain fell, East Bloc countries subsidized their dance troupes' tours. Since then they have not done so. Also, Steve Heap, when he was in charge, arranged for such troupes to play at some of his other festivals--Sidmouth being one stop. This is obviously not an option now--and dance enthusiasts will have to understand it. If it means they go elsewhere, that's the way it is. (I did however talk to some fans of international dance this year, who thought the dance offerings were good.) For both these reasons-and others--especially the insurance question----we're not likely to see a return to the spectacular dance troupes of former years. Can anybody confirm or deny? |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Scooby Doo Date: 20 Aug 06 - 10:48 AM You are correct Ron.I often had the chance to speak to Steve Heap about that question. I can also remember buying Vodka from the Russians for £5.00 a bottle which was in the early 80's before the iron curtain came down,to help subsidise there income as all their money was confiscated at the boarder. Scooby |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Folkiedave Date: 20 Aug 06 - 06:43 PM Another intriguing theory I heard in Sidmouth this year about the dearth of international dance troupes......... Also, Steve Heap, when he was in charge, arranged for such troupes to play at some of his other festivals--Sidmouth being one stop. ...........Can anybody confirm or deny? Bit big to include all of the quote but I will try and shed some light on the question and economics of international dance sides in general. I write as someone who has been to many festivals abroad as a performer. The main "contact" is CIOFF - easily googled - which few people seem to know much about. The current UK representatives are now Billingham Folk Festival - http://www.billinghamfestival.co.uk/billinghamfestival/ Many of the foreign teams did tours and so got to other festivals. This is part of the purpose of CIOFF to help facilitate this. This was not arranged directly by Steve but Sidmouth was a member of CIOFF and thus would become part of the "circuit". (Steve did not have a string of festivals for people to go to!!) CIOFF regulations can require all sorts of things but accommodation and food is always to be provided - and we have virtually always had three meals per day. (Occasionally more!!) Quality depends on where you are - we lived in one country on a diet of chicken and rice, in another it was "No more champagne and lobster for me". Likewise the accommodation varies. Hexham Morris have also done these trips. I went as part of Sheffield City Morris. Some of the larger festivals give a daily pocket money - and many pay transport from the point of landing, for a coach. I have no idea whether Sidmouth did either of these last two things, (pocket money and petrol)but for sure it paid for accommodation and food. (They were usually put up in halls of residence in Exeter and transported to Sidmouth if my memory serves me correctly). Either way it is an expensive business for a festival. The Eastern European teams can still be subsidized though it is no longer the way to the West it once was and many of them survive by selling trinkets. If anyone wants any advice on these things feel free to contact me - though I am away for the next week or so. But before you do - THINK. 1.Can your group do a display of dancing that will last an hour (for that is sometimes how long a performance you have to give). Can you do that both physically, and make it artistically interesting. 2. Do you like each other enough to spend twenty four hours per day in each other's company for a week or so? Sharing accommodation etc. Eight to a room? 3. Do you have a range of foreign languages you can speak? Not compulsory but it helps. (We got thunderous applause in Hungary for saying "ladies and gentlemen" in Hungarian). 4. Do you have a range of "party" activites to entertain in post dance parties? 5. Are you good at hanging around doing nothing for ages, followed by minutes of frantic activity? If the answer to all these is yes - then feel free to contact me. If the answer to any of them is no - best not to go down that road. Hope this helps and I hope it is not too far from the thread. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Ron Davies Date: 20 Aug 06 - 07:45 PM Thanks for the information--that really does clarify a lot. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: fiddler Date: 21 Aug 06 - 02:48 PM I keep watching this thread with interest, a lot of good stuff can be found in amongst all the posts. Keep the constructive comments coming and it all becomes worthwhile! Andy |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,a sad fiddlist Date: 22 Aug 06 - 07:05 AM as a new visitor to the site I was interested in reading some feedback about sidmouth. i went, thoroughly enjoyed it and wanted to hear other's opinions. is there any way of filtering out this idiot countess richard so that i can read something sensible? i have given up cos it's just made me angry. i thought folkies were all a good bunch and about this kind of venom and one upmanship. it's actually made me quite sad, and i hope i never have to meet him/her. i assume his/her mark is probably stamped all over what seems otherwise to be a decent site, so i won't be signing up to Mudcat because music is my hobby. i see little pleasure in carping, moaning and directing poison at other people, particularly ones with whom i share common interests. i really have been left quite saddened by what i read. folk music is something of a safe haven to me, something i do to get away from all the crap there is in the world. but nastiness can infiltrate even the nicest places. anyway, i'm rabbiting, i'm sorry i didn't mean to go on! big love and hugs to all those gooduns out there a sad fiddlist :( x |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST Date: 22 Aug 06 - 07:42 AM Dear Sad Fiddlist, Countess richard is a she. Her mudcat handle is taken from a Child ballad. A lot of us wish she would go away but she hasn't upset enough people to get herself deleted yet. We live in hope |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John J Date: 22 Aug 06 - 08:12 AM Sad Fiddlist, Please don't be put off by unpleasant Mudcatters, there aren't that many and you soon get to ignore them. The vast majority are enthusiastic about their interest in folk and will contribute interestingly and constructively to discussions. The Mudcat is a great place to chat, to find information and just belong to. I've met a great many people who have become friends, friends I wouldn't otherwise have. Just this year I've discovered (through Mudcat) festivals I didn't know about, found words to songs I've been hunting for and loads more. Oh, and we're a friendly lot too! Cheers, John (a happy incompetent singer & melodeon player) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,Bemused Guest Date: 22 Aug 06 - 08:22 AM There are those who are activists, whether organisers, performers, researchers, archivists or all these. And then there are punters who want only to play or listen to music as entertainment and not concern themselves with the social and historical context or the logistics and economics of its organisation. The contributor who you are maligning falls clearly in the former category with a seemingly sound background in most or all areas who has workable ideas of how to stage a better festival but knows they cannot be paid for. Isn't it a pointless kneejerk reaction to shoot the messenger then complain when it turns round and bites you? |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Scooby Doo Date: 22 Aug 06 - 08:23 AM Well said John.I have met catters through been on this group too. Yas |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John MacKenzie Date: 22 Aug 06 - 08:38 AM I wonder which regular Mudcat poster is hiding behind the pseudenym 'a sad fiddlist' The post is just too pat, designed to wind up existing members against CR. As you will see from my previous posts, I hold no brief for CR and disagree with her attitude wholeheartedly. However I post under my own name and don't make snide comments while pretending to be someone else! Giok |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 22 Aug 06 - 10:18 AM I've been a Mudcat member for a very long time but used to post for ages even before that as a guest under my own name. My Mudcat name was invented on the spot because of slightly amusing at the time Child 68 implications as well as to act as an umbrella because my purpose was to defend an artist who was on the sharp end of even more flak than I get from people who had not the slightest understanding of his musical direction nor knowledge of his background and previous experience. I think most people are perfectly aware of who I am and the episode to which I refer. This present wrangle about Sidmouth arises from pretty much the same mindset. People who on their own admission have no interest in large-scale, spectacular displays or an international element: (never went anyway', 'good riddance' being typical, hugely balanced comments) bristle and square up to those who think the absence of such elements is a loss, in the apparent hope that ridiculing them and administering a good kicking will deter them from ever again attending: ('go somewhere else'we don't want your sort at our festival' etc, blah, blah, sneer, sneer). Whose festival? Most such posters have only rolled up in the past couple of years, and because 'folkweek' was just like any other festival and didn't exactly fall flat on its face, think it was OK and shouldn't be criticised. I'm sure it was OK . . . more than, probably. But it wasn't what rather a lot of other people really want, based on past glories. If it happens to float your boat to hang out in a fringe pub all the time, so be it. Other people wanting to establish a way achieve other things won't affect you in the slightest, so why such a whingeing fuss? I don't think anyone's intending to frogmarch you out of the pub to an Arena (covered or not), or any other venue whatsoever or even make you pay to either watch ot take part in stuff you don't want to. I'm a 'sad fiddler' too (what the fuck's a 'fiddlist'?) though for entirely extraneous reasons, unconnected with narrow-minded, blinkered 'good enough for f*lk' saddos with unbelievably limited vision. What's that blanket term I'm searching for? Ah yes, 'f*lkie'. Don't ever call me one of those. This terminally damaged word needs binning along with the tie-dies, tankards, out-of-tune stringed things and out-of-time bodhráns. No Giok, I've not yet dropped the 'attack is the best form of defence' school of writing. It's obviously not safe to do so. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,still sad! Date: 22 Aug 06 - 10:19 AM woah! wasn't hiding ... sorry... i really am a guest, my name's liv i'm a fiddle player based in south devon... i was a member a long time ago but i forgot my id and login as i hardly ever used it... i can plug now in an attempt to prove myself lol!! i'm in www.thenaturalsuk.com or www.myspace.com/wearethenaturals as well as a regular in some of the sessions round here.... phew... i feel like i'm on trial! thanks to the nice people who replied and to the others, i'm sorry you feel so antagonised - i didn't mean to offend. was just so shocked to find nastiness here of all places. the majority seem lovely. anyway, all i really wanted to do was read some feedback on sidmouth, now i'm aware i'm sinking to the levels that so appalled me lol! eek... so i can't find any other sidmouth links here so i guess i'll give up and just look forward to the next one! i really didn't mean to come across as snide, i guess i was just a bit shocked and let off a bit too much steam... sorry! i'll be off before i make any more virtual enemies lol! sorry :) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Gervase Date: 22 Aug 06 - 10:45 AM Don't worry, fiddling person, you probably won't have to encounter countess richard. She'll be in the virtual Arena, tapping her clogs along to Rolf Harris and Tom Robinson (ah yes, those great Sidmouth milestones!) with the rest of the provisional wing of the EFDSS. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: The Borchester Echo Date: 22 Aug 06 - 11:58 AM Ha! Someone else who knows not the first thing about me, or else gets some pathetic kick out of making up stuff. The EFDSS actually fired me. Well, not quite but I left in extremely high dudgeon over issues which remain entrenched in some quarters. Still, when Deaf Ass still ran Sidmouth, didn't the Middle Bar try and hang Bill Rutter? And it's better to be talked about than not (so they say . . . ) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Cllr Date: 22 Aug 06 - 12:17 PM Gervase wasnt Melanie, famous for "I've got brand new pair of roller skates" booked a few years back? and also Donovan (ive got nothing against skiffle) I know steeley span wasnt booked for years because they werent folkie enough. I used to go to the arena regularly last time was oh yes to see... Show of Hands. Yeah bring back the arena for all this cutting edge stuff |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: John MacKenzie Date: 22 Aug 06 - 12:24 PM Must leap to the defence of Melanie Safka there Mike, she is a decent singer songwriter who happened to have a hit, somewhere along the same line of coincidence that made a hit of Seven Drunken Nights for the Dubliners way back when. At least she has never to my knowledge, tried to hitch her bandwagon to a failing pop star, in order to try for big bucks. Giok |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST Date: 22 Aug 06 - 12:25 PM Gervase is a mate of mine who I would say knows what he is talking about. He may never have met CR but is making his judgement based on the way CR presents herself on Mudcat. Think on CR you are what people can see of you. Regards to MJ and Dewi!! Gervase |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST Date: 22 Aug 06 - 02:12 PM Funny how you never see MG and CR in the same place together ! |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST Date: 22 Aug 06 - 02:14 PM I think it is probably due them being at opposite ends of te political spectrum. Is this a thread creep? |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: billybob Date: 23 Aug 06 - 08:58 AM I always went to Sidmouth when it was an EFDSS festival, wore me clogs and had wonderful days, took the children who grew up loving the music, song and dance.Could not go for the last 15 years, went back this year and loved it, small is beautiful,felt much friendlier and felt part of the town and not an intruder.We organised a festival in East Anglia for 17 years and know how hard it is for the locals to put up with the invasion of bearded , tankard carriers! But the people of Sidmouth were very welcoming. Well done the organisers, see you next year! Wendy |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Ruth Archer Date: 23 Aug 06 - 01:37 PM See you there, Wendy! :) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Tattie Bogle Date: 23 Aug 06 - 08:37 PM Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! ????SPARKLING SIDMOUTH????????? Positively explosive. Not vitriol -nitroglycerine! CR would be erased from many other "chat rooms" for her bullying and foul language. Seems to me we should all just stop answering her and fuelling her fire. Oh, by the way, I had a really good Sidmouth -this year, 2005,2004,2003,2002,2001,2000,1999,1998,1997,1996,(missed 1995),1994,1993,(missed 1992), 1991,1990, 1989,1988,1987,1986,1985,1984,1983,1982,1981,1980,1979,1978,1977,1976,1975,1974,1973(married in the Parish Church) |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST,registertered Catter at work Date: 24 Aug 06 - 03:02 AM "bullying and foul language" Are you listening CR? It is possible to make your point (whether we agree with you or not)without the bad language. The English language is better than that. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Steve in Sidmouth Date: 01 Sep 06 - 05:27 PM My summary page on Sidmouth has been much updated and extended. Copies of local press coverage are on a later page. Observations and comparisons between Sidmouth and the new Shrewsbury venue (and comparisons between the relevant local councils) are included. For Sidmouth use folk92 for press coverage folk94 (see the last comment especially) and for Shrewsbury folk95 Sidmouth page Shrewsbury page Happy reading - sensible comments appreciated and will be noted. |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST Date: 02 Sep 06 - 02:25 PM why shouldn't a fiddle player be a "fiddlist" ? you don't hear of tromboners or pianers, do you ? |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: GUEST Date: 22 Oct 06 - 07:32 AM or violiners, or cellers, come to that - or 'bloggists? |
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Subject: RE: Sparkling Sidmouth!! :0) From: Skipjack K8 Date: 23 Oct 06 - 08:55 AM This will look even sillier when the viagra posting is removed, but just to make a bigger prick of myself by entering this muckfest, I've only just noticed the (genuine, Giok!) posting by sad fiddlist, and realised she's me darlin' neice, and must report that she is about as far from sad as Diane is from being understood. Liv is a breathtakingly good fiddler in a wide range of musical genres, and a beautiful person, so if she says she enjoyed Sidders this year, I'm happy to go with that.
-Joe Offer- |
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