BS: Why do folkies moan.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: GUEST,Brian
Date: 25 Aug 06 - 08:50 AM

Most of the songs we sing are about death, destruction and misery. It's not moaning, it's rehersal!

moan, moan, whinge, whinge

Brian

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 09:07 PM

The only reason to moan about mudcake is my waistline...

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 24 Aug 06 - 09:11 AM

It would have to be a pretty crappy kind of mud for me not to eat it in preference to a MuckDonalds....

...& why do folkies moan? well if the world was perfect, we'd shut up, wouldnt we?

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: melodeonboy
Date: 23 Aug 06 - 12:44 PM

Mmm.... I'm not sure about that, Little Hawk; I might be tempted to go for the mud (cheaper,equally tasty and much less fattening!).

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: Peace
Date: 22 Aug 06 - 11:24 PM

If yer low in iron, this is for you, LH.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Aug 06 - 11:22 PM

I'll eat a Big Mack when there's nothing else around to eat except mud, I guess... ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: Peace
Date: 22 Aug 06 - 11:16 PM

I term myself a "moderate radical" and I like Big Macs, too.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Aug 06 - 10:25 PM

I was going to say about how some folkies moan, and some scream, and some just pant enthusiastically - but maybe I'd better not....

I don't think folkies moan because they're folkies - I think that many or most folkies moan because they're liberals. Did you ever see a liberal order a hamburger, and just take it as it comes? Nope, it takes 'em ten minutes to order a snack with all the specifications, and then half the time it's unsatisfactory.
And when they want stuff for their children, it's worse.
That's why I eat at McDonalds, because liberals don't eat there, and I can get my food in a reasonable amount of time.
-Joe Offer, who terms himself a "radical moderate" (and likes Big Macs)-

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 22 Aug 06 - 10:16 AM

Hmmm.... WLD's post at 6.48pm on the 20th has got me thinking. Is his view prevelant out there in the non-trad music world? I must admit that my family is full of musicians, none of whom play anything further back than about 1930.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 01:52 PM

Someone mentioned the fact that Morris dancing is far more exciting and complex than the circle dances of Greece, Albania and etc. Yet the Balkans are reknowned for keeping their traditions alive. Maybe the reason that all that happens in this country is that we take the piss out of traditional music and dance is that people are afraid of offending the sensibilities of the new 'intellegensia' firmly rooted in the reverse snobbery that Richard mentions. There is nothing at all wrong with 'living history' or tradition. Does it really matter who it is keeping it alive as long as someone is? As long as someone believes it is worth keeping alive of course!

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 12:02 PM

Go on WLD, diss your inheritance. What we seem to be seeing here is the English sickness that knowledge of anything, or study of it, is unmanly.

The French say "He is an intellectual" and it is an accolade. The English say it and it is an insult.

Ignorance is not a virtue.

I personally find it offensive that the folk music of my country is propounded to be something that nobody in my family or anybody else's in living memory ever sung. That supposition is simply wrong. It may be true of your family, WLD, but it is not universal, and the losers are your family, not the tradition.

The people who now walk the streets, fight the wars, work in the remaining factories and breathe the polluted air have been disconnected from those who formerly walked the streets, fought the wars, worked the factories, breathed the air of this country, at least in that the former have been disenfranchised from having a folk culture - by the people who have disconnected them from the folk culture that truly is there, by those who have sneered at the past and the knowledge of the past.

Your version of folk music is a rehash of the top 20, a few years later. Have a class war by all means, but learn to understand middle class types, and distinguish their vices (greed) from their virtues (some knowledge understanding and grasp of history, without limitation).

You are welcome to join in, but all I see here is self-pitying inverted snobbery. You declare yourself different from the rest of us. Don't tell me your self-electing ghetto is sodding anything to do with the people of England.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 08:09 AM

Is that see how many requests for a pace egging song as opposed to a weelittledrummer song?

If so then the former is winning by a huge majority. Then again we do take the pace egg play to old folks homes in areas where the old folks used to perfrom it themselves many years ago.

I am half Polish, btw, but even the English side of my family had little to do with coal mining, wren hunting or whale bashing. I sing of the sea, which I have been on but never worked; Fox hunting, which I would never try; The Army, which I never joined and Yorkshire, where I have never lived. I am obviously not as talented as you in that I can not write songs about my own experiences in the mines of Microsoft...

Sorry to offend you. I doubt very much that any of your self-penned songs offend me. If they did I am sure I would have the good manners to keep quiet about it though:-)

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 21 Aug 06 - 07:23 AM

Most of the requests will be for the popular hits of the day,and hymns.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 Aug 06 - 06:48 PM

not to me.

I personally find it offensive that the folk music of my country is propounded to be something that nobody in my family or anybody else's in living memory ever sung.

The people who walked the streets, fought the wars, worked the factories, breathed the air of this country have been disenfranchised from having a folk culture by the people you name.

their version of folk music is a club for middle class types who want to declare themselves different from the rest of us. Enjoy your club, but don't tell me its sodding anything to do with the people of England.

Do a gig in an old peoples home. see how many requests you get for the pace egging song.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Aug 06 - 04:32 PM

I 'm a poor struggling songwhiner, you see.

Ever wonder why you are poor and struggling WLD? I don't think I need to send an answer on a postcard. Maybe the stuff that sounds like it came from down a coalmine that such stuffed shirts as Martin Carthy, Steeleye Span, Bellowhead, John Kirkpatrick and Kathryn Tickell is actualy better than the self penned drivel that we get from most singer songwhiners?

Worth a thought?

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: melodeonboy
Date: 20 Aug 06 - 08:38 AM

Did I spot two oxymorons in one sentence from DB?:

"healthy people drinking good lager"


(Considering his aggressive nature and his drinking preference, is it reasonable to assume that DB is, in fact, a lager lout?)

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 Aug 06 - 07:01 AM

Richard, if a man with your connections doesn't know how to step into dogshit.......you're obviously lacking a festival directory.

Whereas to fulfil my humble needs, I'll have to wait for the next ralph McTell tour - see if he's written anything new.

I was in my favourite coffee shop two days ago, a cafetiere of Blue Mountain was a fiver. I had the Yorkshire tea instead, I 'm a poor struggling songwhiner, you see.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: Diva
Date: 20 Aug 06 - 06:19 AM

well last week we were moaning because our fav festival had been taken over by the pissheads and it was hard to get a decent session.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 20 Aug 06 - 05:31 AM

Tell you what wld, you tell me where there is some good same old, and I'll go there and you can have a singer songwhiner festival elsewhere...

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 Aug 06 - 04:57 AM

Blue Mountain, I bet that's where the coffee of that name comes from. very expensive stuff. you would think Jamaica would be a really rich place seeing as they produce stuff like that.

Try getting a decent cup of coffee at a folk festival.

In fact we folkies have a lot to moan about. We haven't got our own TV channel. Even if we did it would be clogged up with the dogshit thats on the major labels, rather than whats going on in the clubs - rather like folk radio and folk music magazines, and major festival stages.

Result there are all these folk festivals all showing the same old same old, and frankly I would cross the road to avoid most of 'em.

I really wish there was somewhere I could go out tonight, see a brilliant breathtaking act. New songs actually about something, brilliant guitar playing -something that didn't sound like something found down a coalmine and should have been left there.

Answers on a postcard....

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: Peace
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 09:51 PM

"Bob [Marley] died from a brain tumor. It was initially discovered in September of 1980, when Bob was touring with Wailers in support of Uprising. The neurologist who diagnosed it gave Bob three weeks to live. Marley traveled to Germany and was treated by Dr. Joseph Issels, a specialist in holistic, non-toxic cancer treatment. He died on the morning of May 11, 1981, with his wife Rita and mother Cedella by his side. His body lies at his ancestral home, Nine Miles, in the Blue Mountains of St. Ann's Parish, Jamaica."

from the www

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 07:55 PM

Didn't Bob get shot down while robbing a bank or something, or was just the movie he was in?

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: Peace
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 07:42 PM

"Bob Marley had the gift."

You gotta get out more. Bob Marley had doobies.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 07:40 PM

Bob Marley was a Jamaican folksinger. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: GUEST,DB
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 07:37 PM

Liven up liven up your lives - Bob Marley had the gift.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: Peace
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 07:30 PM

Also--just this one last thing in direct address to DB. You have yet to meet Shane. When he's coming off a three week bender after swilling (he'll be pleased to find out he knows how to swill) 'ale' (usually the leftover stuff we have put our cigarette butts in--he filters the lumps through his teeth much like a baleen whale), and when he pukes the rest of us get to watch and we usually applaud, because he introduces an interesting dynamic to an otherwise dull and boring life as we listen to 'minority apeal music' as you so delicately put it--why, one time he was able to vomit and do an almost exact duplication of a painting done by a member of the Group of Seven--OK, maybe not really exact, but it had lots of colour in it and the texture was such that it contrasted quite nicely with his Aunt Mehitabel's brand-new shag carpet imported from Iran in the days when camels actually had value as 'ships of the desert'--speaking of which, Shane can't spell worth shit and he thinks that desert means the stuff one scarfs after a meal--so, anyway, thank you for bringing a smile to us all. As for your remark, "they are a bunch of smelly, bearded, slop (real ale) swilling, passed it, tasteless followers of an out of date minority apeal music.", if you think that's tough, y'ought to meet the men.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: Peace
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 07:12 PM

"they are a bunch of smelly, bearded, slop (real ale) swilling, passed it, tasteless followers of an out of date minority apeal music."

I just reread your post, DB. Like, uh, what's your point? You say this crap like it's a BAD thing . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: SINSULL
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 07:00 PM

Noe of them around here whine. House rule. Guest, you need to find a new crowd.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: Les from Hull
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 05:12 PM

DB - I'm surprised that you put 'smelly' as the first of the things you don't like about us. And fewer than half of us have beards. And I think you mean 'past it' rather than 'passed it' which implies that we noticed it but were disinclined to participate. But you're completely right about the 'out of date minority apeal (sic) music'. To be associated with a music that appealed to the majority would make this a bland middle of the road industry-supplied pop forum, wouldn't it?

And your last sentence makes not sense at all. Explanation? Perhaps you mean 'liven up your life', like a person of Jamaican descent might say?

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: The Sandman
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 04:52 PM

TO GUEST Db , your the one that thinks bob marley is the only real music, why dont you shack up with Mona Lisa, A suitable person for you[DEAD]and someone you could enjoy running a moaning workshop with.since you like to moan about folk music, concertinas,real ale and beards.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: Peace
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 02:57 PM

Thank you, DB. It's nice to decipher someone who knows what s/he's talkin' about. But, logger is the correct spelling. They cut trees.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: GUEST,DB
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 07:05 AM

Folkies moan because:

they are a bunch of smelly, bearded, slop (real ale) swilling, passed it, tasteless followers of an out of date minority apeal music.

You need a real music festival with healthy people drinking good lager and listening to real music. Liven up your live.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: GUEST,Sidewinder
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 06:52 AM

I became disullisioned as I passed the age of 7 which was a very long time ago I think (therefore etc....).I was never my Mothers favourite, which was a shame because I was an only child.I remember telling her when I was a slip of a lad of twelve or thereabouts that I was leaving home, she curtly replied "On your marks..". My father was a naval man who wore his underpants in the bath because he didn't like looking down on the unemployed, and I remember he once told me "when you were born the Doctor slapped me!".They were cruel people my parents they used to send me to the shops then move house before I got back. I joined the Army to see the world and was posted in Pontefract and served my time there.A gypsy put a curse on me and the wifes been bedridden since the day we were betrothed. But, despite these little setbacks and tribulations I still smile, due to the paralysis in my facial muscles since my stroke, and look forward to hearing those songs of loneliness and despair at those never ending folk festivals where like minded people gather to inflict a little pain and misery on the happy go lucky, gadabouts,who relish every moment of existence in a way that Cliff Richard could only comprehend and tell people like us that we are moaners and "Victor Meldrews" -I don't believe it!


Regards.

Sidewinder.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: Rasener
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 06:09 AM

Ammonia lot of people I could wish to meet.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 05:43 AM

sorry, I was just talking bollocks as usual....

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 06:22 PM

I agree, we folkies are a broad scrotum of people....

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: Ernest
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:43 PM

Bert, I didn`t invent that term - I learned it here on the cat.
Best
Ernest

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: open mike
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 05:17 PM

on a wagon bound for market
there's a calf with a mournful eye
moan - ah, moan - ah , moan - ah

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: Bert
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 03:51 PM

songwhiners, great one Earnest!

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: Chris Green
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 02:56 PM

No self-respecting folkie would change a lightbulb - they'd all walk out 'cos it had gone electric.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: Mr Red
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 08:09 AM

Dave the gnome

it takes more than that - the elcetric dimension has already been mooted but the teacher and the social worker couln't make it because they couldn't get baby-sitters at the last minute and the committee said

CHANGE? CHANGE?

or was it

"No one told us about light bulbs.........."

They will all be LED's soon anyway - trust me.

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: Kaleea
Date: 17 Aug 06 - 07:54 PM

. . .whooooooooooooooooooooooa, whooooooooooooooooa,
          get him some cheese for his whine,
             whoooooooooooooooooa, whooooooooooooooooooooooooa . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: Peace
Date: 17 Aug 06 - 06:32 PM

Well said, Les?

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: Les from Hull
Date: 17 Aug 06 - 05:59 PM

I think one of the things that makes us moan is ending a question with a full-stop instead of a question mark!

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: number 6
Date: 17 Aug 06 - 01:34 PM

Said hey Mona
Hey oh Mona
Said hey, yeah, yeah Mona
Hey Mona

Tell you Mona what I wanna do
Build a house next door to you
I come see you maybe sometime
We can go kissing through the blind

... by (Bo Diddley) Ellis McDaniels

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Aug 06 - 01:08 PM

It take 4 folkies to change a lightbulb - 1 to change it and 3 to sing close harmony about how good the dead one was...

:D (tG)

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 17 Aug 06 - 11:02 AM

Mind your own beeswax!

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 17 Aug 06 - 08:47 AM

****!

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: GUEST,Mingulay at work
Date: 17 Aug 06 - 08:36 AM

Sorry, but candles in bottles nowadays contravene even the most rudimentary safety standards. A bottle could be knocked over easily if placed on a rickety table, a passing dwarf folkie could set light to his/her beard (are we still allowed to say dwarf?), it could be used to light cigarettes!!! Also, there would have to be a fully trained candleist(?) in attendance at all times to ensure that the candles were lit and extinguished in the correct manner.

You might just get away with tea lights in saucers if you could show that a full Risk Assessment had been carried out by the Fire Brigade and the premises passed as fit for the purpose (no thatched roofs etc).

Subject: RE: BS: Why do folkies moan.
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 17 Aug 06 - 08:14 AM

"How many folkies does it take to change a light bulb?"

I think the candles in bottles look better than cold electric light - and it reminds me of back in the early days...