BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: GUEST,282RA
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 09:17 PM

Hellya, I watched Sunday Night Football! I wanted to see the Manning bros. match up. Helluva lot more interesting than Path to 9-11, I bet. I saw one bit where Osama was on a bunch of monitors. At first I thought they were watching a newsclip since that is obvious what it came from. But I realized it was infamous scene where the Clinton guy won't give authorization to take bin Laden out. All I could think was that there was no way they had him onscreen in that kind of resolution and clarity. Get real! So I went back to football and Peyton was showing Eli what older brothers are all about.

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 09:01 PM

Clinton's workd for the Bushes?

Documentation, please.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: dianavan
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 08:55 PM

According to the latest figures, football was more interesting to the average American than this 5-hour miniseries.

I'm not sure what that means except that maybe the majority of Americans didn't want to be force-fed a bunch of lies.

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 08:23 PM

Clinton got blowjobs. Bush gives them.

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 08:11 PM

The Clintons work for the Bushes. We have one party in America. By supporting one team, you just enrich the team owners. Snap out of it.

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 07:58 PM

Members of the Clinton administration tried to warn Bush that bin Laden and his Merry Men could be dangerous, and that something was brewing, but the Bush League wasn't interested (beyond figuring that if something did happen, they could probably blame it on Saddam and that would give them an excuse to do what they wanted to do right from the day Bush was inaugurated--invade Iraq). Trouble is, the scam is pretty transparent. And since Bush never admits a mistake and refuses to accept the blame for anything, he's got to try to divert attention from himself. It's probably not too politic for him to try to blame his confreres, like Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, et al (who pointedly ignored what people who had been in the Clinton administration, including, for that matter, the CIA, were trying to tell them), so he's trying to divert the responsibility from himself, and about all he's got is Clinton.

But that's just as transparent. Pathetic, in fact. Except, of course, to the True Believers.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 07:52 PM

Alice was right then?

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: TIA
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 06:56 PM

Clinton tries to kill Osama = "Wag the Dog" = doing nothing to prevent 9/11

Bush actually does kill thousands of people who have absolutely nothing to do with Osama = "Central Front in the War on Islamo-Fascism" = protecting us from British men of Pakistani heritage in the British Midlands.

I think we are through the looking glass.

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 06:38 PM

"You whinny democrats are too scared and angry to admit that you share part of the blame too."

Wilhelm: has anybody told you lately that you are SOOO good looking when you try to think? It's 'whiny' BTW.

Get that right next time: W H I N Y

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 06:07 PM

A stunning indictment of Mr. Clinton. Would have been even more impressisve if it were true.

Heckuva job, Georgie

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: robomatic
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 05:33 PM

Considering the amount of heat Israel has taken in this forum over 'collateral' damage, I think Clinton's estimate of the political fallout over bombing Bin Laden and either taking him out with a lot of other folks, including family members, or missing him and taking out family members, was accurate, if not justified.

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: TIA
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 04:47 PM

You "whinny" Bushites all screamed "Wag the Dog" when Clinton did actually attempt to get UBL. Freakin' hypocrites.

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: 282RA
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 09:12 AM

Is it just me or is anyone else wondering why it was supposed to be Clinton's job to get bin Laden when the guy had not pulled off 9-11 yet.

They seem to ne blaming him for not foreseeing this tragedy so that beloved Bush would not have turned America into cesspool of belligerant stupidity.

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: GUEST,Wilhelm der Zweite
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 01:16 AM

I agree with one of the earlier posts, this movie did not only bash Clinton's administration. It showed the mistakes of both sides. Clinton's side just had more errors, just as was true in real life. You whinny democrats are too scared and angry to admit that you share part of the blame too. The first time WE get OUR side of the story out there, you start bashing it and trying to get it banned from the air. You are blinded by your hate for President Bush to see what is really going on. You whinny losers have not been there and seen it over in the middle east and until you do, you can't say anything. The Al'Queda are EVIL and MUST be removed.

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: DougR
Date: 12 Sep 06 - 12:40 AM

TIA: I admit nothing of the sort! IF you watched the program you would know that the Bush Administration was not shown it the greatest light possible. It made errors too. Just not as many as the Clinton Administration.

The problem with many of you is you didn't watch the show so you only know what the left-wing press has written about it (who probably didn't see it either).

I think it should be required viewing in public schools myself.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 11:42 PM

However, I have seen no evidence that U.S. intelligence had bin laden in their sights or had any reason to believe that he would launch an attack on the U.S.

Ah, of course. Because you didn't see it, it didn't happen. Right.

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: TIA
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 11:13 PM

I think DougR just admitted that it does, in fact, have a right-slant.

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: GUEST,282RA
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 11:05 PM

I'm going to assume that GUEST posted his little leftwinger chart as a joke. If you didn't, GUEST, don't respond. Quit while you're still ahead.

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: GUEST,282RA
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 11:01 PM

>>I suppose had the docuwhatever had a left slant with a smashing bashing final episode blaiming the Bush crowd for 9/11 you moaners and groaners would be in your living room chairs<<

Nice try but still too transparent. Your statement is contrived to make it seem like blaming Bush is as ridiculous as blaming Clinton. Wrong! Bush IS to blame for 9-11. Why? Because it happened on his watch, that's why. In the military, they teach you that in boot camp. When you're the man in charge, you take the bullet. If it happens on your watch, you're responsible. Doesn't matter what the guy you relieved did or didn't do. You took over the watch and therefore the responsibilities of that watch. Bush may not be military (not that he ever was) but he is the top dog in every miltary man's chain-of-command. It applies to him more than anybody. He is where the buck stops.

So was Bush responsible for 9-11? Damn right he was!

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: DougR
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 10:19 PM

Never read such moaning and groaning in my long life! What a hoot!

I suppose had the docuwhatever had a left slant with a smashing bashing final episode blaiming the Bush crowd for 9/11 you moaners and groaners would be in your living room chairs, clutching ice cold bottles of your favorite brew screaming ...RIGHT ON!

And those of you who didn't bother to watch ...of what worth is YOUR opinion of the film?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: Ron Davies
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 09:48 PM

Sunset John--


Thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 09:43 PM

BIG CHART OF LEFT GATEKEEPERS AND THEIR MONEY TRAIL:

http://www.leftgatekeepers.com/chart.htm

Your "left" mouthpieces work for the big money "right" interests. This is a simplified chart. It's all verifiable if you search. Google won't do it anymore, though. Try yahoosearch.com. Not yet controlled by the US govt.

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: dianavan
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 09:25 PM

SRS - "I heard Clinton talk about it on an interview in the last year. But they decided that because he was in a populated area that the casualties among the civilians would be too high."

Sounds like Clinton was trying to convince the public that he is a compassionate guy, unlike...

However, I have seen no evidence that U.S. intelligence had bin laden in their sights or had any reason to believe that he would launch an attack on the U.S.

btw - Why hasn't the Bush administration been able to capture bin Laden if they're so almighty powerful? I'm sure they wouldn't let a few insignificant civilians stand in their way.

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: GUEST,282RA
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 05:29 PM

Are they trying to blame Clinton for not foreseeing that bin Laden would mastermind 9-11 a few years down the road?? What use is it to them to blame Clinton for not nabbing bin Laden? He just wasn't quite the wanted man he would later become and it was the CIA director who nixed it and he probably had good reason to and that CIA director was retained Bush when he took office.

Even republicans and conservatives I know at work are getting tired and frustrated with the Bush administration and the GOP in general trying to blame everything in the Bush administration that has gone wrong (which would be everything) on Clinton. This strategy is hurting them. Not even the American public can remain stupid and blind forever (though god knows they try). At some point, the GOP has stretched their credibility to a point where even the average American dumbass just isn't buying it anymore.

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 05:23 PM

I'm not a fan or Mr Moore (too shrill for my taste), but I don't recall his films including any components that were fictional. Unlike the Docudrama under discussion.

If folks (on either side) are lied about, or portrayed inaccurately, I'd hope, for everbody's sake , that they'd sue and follow up the suit energetically.

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: Barry Finn
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 02:19 PM

I did watch Ted Kopel. Though he did present some decent questions most of his panel was key far right wing past or present government players while only a few of the many invited side lined presentors were from the left. I was very disappointed in Ted's set up. Nothing substantial was aired except that more debate was needed. DUH!

Disney should be boycotted. I for one, in the future, will walk away from anything they support.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 11:23 AM

ABC is eating $53 million since they can not "find" a sponsor.

I think I know the real sponsor.

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: GUEST,Desdemona
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 10:43 AM

We watched the Simpsons, assiduously skipped the 9/11 stuff. I think it's deplorable for Disney, the networks, or anyone else to capitalise on *any* tragedy, simply because our nation's lamentable mental weakness and predilection for recreational grieving makes it so damned easy.

~D

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 09:22 AM

I am so pissed off that I missed this. I was really looking forward to watching. I know there has been controversy, but I still think it would have been worth watching. Why didn't anyone remind me that the Simpsons premiere was on? I can't believe I missed it!!!

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: Wesley S
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 09:17 AM

The whole point of the program was about one thing. Selling burgers. Selling burgers, smoothies, toothpaste and toilet paper. TV is nothing but a place to put ads. Nothing else. My guess is the only thing on the minds of ABC executives this morning is "How were the numbers? Did we beat CBS and NBC?"

So don't expect anything else from TV folks. As rapper "MC 900 Foot Jesus" once said - "Truth is out of style".

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 08:42 AM

The differnce here, BB, is that Michael Moore's movie was not broadcast on the public airwaves... And that is a big difference...

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: beardedbruce
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 08:04 AM

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I guess it all depends on what you have already decided you want to believe.

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: robomatic
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 02:39 AM

Well, I watched most of it tonight (after watching the Simpsons, of course). It seemed to replay themes that crop up again and again in certain docudramas (which this did not claim to be) and real life, that of the field agent who knows the situation, and his/her frustration with the politicos that hold or withhold approval of necessary actions. There was a lot of atmosphere to liven it up, and quite a few creditable actors, Harvey Keitel as John O'Neil, f'r'instance.
It was definitely critical of the folks in the offices back in Washington, during the Clinton administration. Let's see how Shrub fares tomorrow night.

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: katlaughing
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 12:44 AM

It is rather rich that they try to blame Clinton for being so pre-occupied over Monica, when it was Ken Starr and the GOP who really obsessed over her! If there was distraction going on at the White House, I am sure it wasn't a one-time blowjob, but rather then endless years of harassement from Starr et alia.

That, and as SRS said, Bush not listening. Of course, he probably dind't care as he was planning his course on turning our country into his own kingdom.

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 12:17 AM

Why does resneps spell his name backwards? Man, this place is becoming very weird.

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Sep 06 - 12:11 AM

Jumping in from near the front:

At no time did the Clinton administration have "Osama in their sights."

Actually, they did. I heard Clinton talk about it on an interview in the last year. But they decided that because he was in a populated area that the casualties among the civilians would be too high.

I heard a discussion of this on talk radio on Friday (surfing channels, looking for local news). The caller suggested that the movie was slanted heavily against Clinton, highly favoring Bush. The talk show host interrupted: "Rush saw it. He didn't think so. . ." Duh. That says it all!

I haven't been watching the program, I just glanced at the initial commentary in this thread, to see what people make of it. I'm glad to see it being discussed. I just dropped in to offer this point--I don't know if it helps or hurts the case being made against Clinton these days or in this slanted movie telling of things. The guy was all right. And his folks did try to warn Bush, who wasn't listening.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: GUEST,random thoughts
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 10:23 PM

I think anything that puts it in our faces again and again and again is okay...it's not going away. We've obviously blundered about in global politics like egotistical idiots with no regard for reality. We are reaping what we sowed. The more people who can become educated on what we have done from WWII on and the continuous blunders. Clinton also totally ignored the massacre in Rwanda. I have to wonder if all the politics with Monica was not going on, would it have been any different? America just doesn't seem to be able to focus because the attention is all on politics, money and power. We need to be reminded and educated about why America is so hated by so many. How else will we ever change?

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 08:39 PM

Yep, Guest respneps, I agree that the idjits will soon meet their comeuppance. Hope you don't get hurt too bad.

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: GUEST,resneps
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 08:11 PM

Looks like Clinton's house of cards will finally start crashing down tonight. Once all his lies and ineptitude are made public maybe some of the idiots on the left will wake up.

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: SINSULL
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 07:30 PM

Have any of you seen the ridiculous dramas about Pearl Harbor that have proliferated since WWII? Why should this event be treated any differently? This is not a news report. It is TV for the masses.

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 03:05 PM

Either elect a good government in 2006 and 2008 or the USA is going down. You will lose your democracy--such as it is--and your freedoms.

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: Big Mick
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 12:52 PM

That's the rules, Dick, but it seems there is only money for enforcement when it suits the Republicans.

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: katlaughing
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 11:40 AM

If they use profanity or someone bares a breast, maybe they'd at least get fined.

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 11:37 AM

That was before the FCC came under Republican control.

Rules? We ain't got to follow no steenkin' rules!

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 11:12 AM

I've been thinkin' the same thing, Dick...

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 10:06 AM

THe last I heard, FCC rules prohibited the broadcasting of political messages unless clearly labeled as such, and required equal airtime for responses.

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: dianavan
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 02:23 AM

"Liberals are upset that this miniseries points out that the Clinton administration had an opportunity to kill Bin Laden and decided not to."

Thats just the problem. There is absolutely no proof of that statement.

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: katlaughing
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 01:47 AM

Does he really think people will believe this:

"We learned the lessons of September 11," Bush said on Thursday in the latest in a round of speeches on the subject. "We're working to connect the dots to stop the terrorists from hurting America again."

Somebody get him a colouring book!

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 10 Sep 06 - 12:00 AM

" I did it not for them who couldn't care less, I did it for ME."

So it was a total WOMBAT.....

Subject: RE: BS: The Path To 911/ABC 5-hour miniseries
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Sep 06 - 08:17 PM

Well, for me it's like Wes Ginny Algebra...

There are 4 major networks: CBS, NBC, Fox and ABC...

NBC fired Phil Donahue and replaced him with a Bushite when Phil Donahue had the balls to challenge Bush in the mad-dash-to-Iraq...

Fox, well, is Fox...

Now ABC has brought forth their offerings to the king...

CBS, on the other hand, delved into why Bush didn't complete his military obligation and we know what happened there...

So, accordin' to the Wes Ginny Slide Rule A+B+C>CBS...