Disposing of Vinyl

Subject: RE: Disposing of Vinyl
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 19 Jan 07 - 08:32 PM

In Toowoomba, a '60s theme dance club and cafe' place uses them bent up into a bowl as burger plate/trays, with paper plates, napkins inside, instead of woven cane baskets. I'm talking of burger buns that are 6-8 inches in daimeter...

Subject: RE: Disposing of Vinyl
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Jan 07 - 10:50 PM

My guess is that when the time comes that I buy a different, more sophisticated turntable, it will have the needle(s) for 78s.

Incidentally I don't think all turntables have the in/out lines that this Teacc does. Do they? The turntables I lived with nigh on 40 years ago did not.

Subject: RE: Disposing of Vinyl
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 20 Jan 07 - 06:47 AM

Most turntables on sale these days do not appear to have a suitable needle for 78s - and only a very few ever even have the 78 speed capability. I have seen one 'retro' 'record-player' with teh 78 speed that had no turnover needle, and the woman tried to assure me that the single type of needle would be ok for 78s!!!!!

Subject: RE: Disposing of Vinyl
From: GUEST,Harold Timmons
Date: 16 Jun 07 - 02:21 PM

If you are interested in disposing of the vinyl Chuck Wagon Gang contact me [e-mail]

Subject: RE: Disposing of Vinyl
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 16 Jun 07 - 05:17 PM

I have two turntables hooked up, one being for the old 78's, both fitted with proper cartridges. Hard to find for the 78s. Some vinyl is still being produced for collectors, no problem getting equipment for lps. There are 3-speed ones available in these Teac-Crossley advs., but don't mention stylus size. ??
I was transferring vinyl to tape on my tape deck; no problem with my old Luxman "stereo integrated amplifier."
My daughter also has a good lp-45 turntable, and feeds into her computer, producing cds, so I haven't felt the need to get a cd recorder, unless my daughter rebels...

My old 'vinyls' are stored, some I would never get rid of since they keep much, much longer than cds. We have a store specializing in old 'wax,' they will take old vinyl if in good condition and give credit- not much, it will go toward cds in their stock.

Subject: RE: Disposing of Vinyl
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 Jun 07 - 10:35 PM

Q

Such stores gamble on people just giving them 'everything' - they know what to look for to find the 'valuable' LPs among the junk.

Subject: RE: Disposing of Vinyl
From: Darowyn
Date: 17 Jun 07 - 04:31 AM

Surely, if you are converting vinyl for other people, then all you have to do is give them back the record along with the copy.
It solves your problem of storage, and it covers the legal argument, because the original owner still has the right to own a copy.
If they don't want it, tell them you have to give it back to stay out of jail- which is nearly true.
Cheers
Dave

Subject: RE: Disposing of Vinyl
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 17 Jun 07 - 01:15 PM

Foolstroupe- This store pays or gives credit according to the value of the items brought in. Typical dealers' discount though, so one could do better on Ebay, but still a good store. One can spend hours going through their well-organized stacks. I search mostly for old classical material that has been dropped from commerce; too many people are looking for blues, folk, jazz, so scarce and it goes quickly.

Why all the legal nonsense? It is true, but, like used books, there is no enforcement of the implied contracts.

Subject: RE: Disposing of Vinyl
From: Lighter
Date: 17 Jun 07 - 06:42 PM

OK, now that I've got all those CDs, how long *do* they "last"? And what happens to them when they "go bad"?

Subject: RE: Disposing of Vinyl
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 17 Jun 07 - 07:54 PM

There is a thread here about longevity of cds, thread 53240.
Tape it when you can

I think there is better information out there, however. A fairly long life is claimed for some.

Subject: RE: Disposing of Vinyl
From: Greg B
Date: 18 Jun 07 - 07:34 PM

Give them to someone who will take care of them.

When I was playing music with Frank Woerner (in the Compass Rogues)
he was on a tear to clean out his East Village apartment. He kept
sending me home with bits of his vinyl folk music collection---
which I still treasure.

Subject: RE: Disposing of Vinyl
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 19 Jun 07 - 12:36 AM

You are stuck with current Eco-Laws.

Personally, I like beach-front-bonfires.

Have a roaring blaze, fanned by off shore winds, and let each individual toss in one, two, twenty, Evil Vinyls and swear away their wickedness.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

This ain't been such a big thing in the last decade....CD's don't blaze as big (or warp and melt) and Nine Inch Nails does not have the following of groups singing lyrics like....You are stupid piece of shit 90X

Subject: RE: Disposing of Vinyl
From: GUEST,sir rog at work
Date: 19 Jun 07 - 08:46 AM

When disposing of the majority of my vinyl (about 3 years ago) I put them all in a couple of large boxes and placed them on the bar of the local pub with sign saying "take what you like and put what you think they are worth in the lifeboat charity box" - they all went.

R

Subject: RE: Disposing of Vinyl
From: Janie
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 01:21 PM

Are they worth keeping or giving away if their condition is essentially unknown but probably far from "mint" for most of them, and is also probably dependent on the equipment on which they might be played? I'm sure none of them are "mint" condition.

When I left my ex the collection was locked in a storage unit that I could not get to. 5 years later he has recently returned them to me. I live in a very small house with little storage. The 2 long crates are now sitting in my kitchen, and I either have to get rid of them, or get rid of other stuff to be able to store them. (My 18 y.o. son wants me to keep them for him, btw, and that figures into the equation, but is not the primary factor.)


200-250 LPs, a very eclectic collection that includes all the LP's my parents owned, dating back to the late 1950's when they bought our first stereo system. Some folk, but not a lot. Would take a lot of research that I don't have time or inclination to do to figure out what might be currently unavailable as remastered CD's (or even what is worth hanging onto to insure it is still available, even if on a noisy LP if it hasn't been remastered and released in a more post-modern format.)

I suspect the collection includes a lot of "trash" i.e. readily available on CD, and if not, not worth preserving, and a few "treasures." Because the collection includes so many genres and covers so many years there is much here that I have no idea whether to value or not. By value, I mean worth hanging onto or finding good homes for in order to preserve.   I'm guessing there are a few, but not many albums in the collection that have some monetary value beyond the postage to send them to a buyer.

Subject: RE: Disposing of Vinyl
From: Crowhugger
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 02:05 PM

Janie, if 18yo wants them, perhaps if he indexes and researches them he'll learn that there are only a few he truly wants. Which isn't necessarily realistic in your situation depending on personalities, how much/soon you need that kitchen space etc; it's just a thought.

Subject: RE: What is the Life of a CD?
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 03:43 PM

Intersting read some of our posts from 5-1/2 years ago. There are several references to vinyl outlasting CDs. So just HOW LONG will a CD last?

I got my first ones in 1984/85 and they sound as clear and pure as the first day I got them. Even ones I recorded from vinyl perhaps eight or ten years ago sound as good as when first transferred them.

Vinyl on the other hand may warp over the years, and definitely the sound degrades after many plays no matter how careful one handles them.
All the other negatives about their use is true, too. That said, when at home I would rather listen to an LP with its smoother and ambient sound than a professional or homemade version of that same album.

Subject: RE: Disposing of Vinyl
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 04:24 PM

A few years ago I got the urge to dig out my old (very good) turntable and play some of the few vinyls I had. The problem was that I felt that I really needed to replace the needle/pickup due to some "storage deterioration."

Conclusion: It's a lot easier to find a decent turntable than it is to get a good needle for it, and using a worn-out or damaged one can be very hard on your vinyls.

It's also advisable to use the right needle for the vinyl you're playing, since the "skinny ones" intended for stereo LPs can cut the bottom of the grooves in older mono records, and the big ones intended for mono disks may plow the entire groove out of existence on an LP.

It also is an absolute fiction that "vinyl lasts forever." ALL MATERIALS you can make anything out of will "spontaneously" creep and change dimensions in time, and vinyl is among the "really creepy" things in common use. The recordings will still "sound good" after a very long time, but probably don't really "sound the same" as when they were fresh. Fortunately(?) it's a lot harder to "quantify the changes" for analog signals than for digital ones, and even harder to hear them (until they get really gross), so it's still appropriate to protect and preserve what you have on good vinyl, if it's of value to you.

It's impossible to pick a "best" method for archiving, since we can't tell how long anything will last until we live long enough to say "well, that one didn't." With a little optimism, we can guess that what we can pick off of older forms now, and save in digital form, may quite possibly remain unchanged when all the vinyl has sagged into heaps and lumps. (But I don't expect to be around to settle the arguments about what "shoulda been done instead of ..." by then.)

John

Subject: RE: Disposing of Vinyl
From: Janie
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 05:47 PM

The message is, I think, that unless I am inclined to clear the storage space to keep these LP's for my son, I may as well put them up on Freecycle or trash them.

Subject: RE: Disposing of Vinyl
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 07:21 PM

I wouldn't trash them.

Vinyl is still there (all coomments about it wearing out, warping, etc accepted). Most new "indie" music is brought out on vinyl as well as on CD and downloads. In fact it's normal for a new release to be issued on say, a limited edition 200 or 500 pressing vinyl which includes a download code in the album packaging.

So most youngsters I know have turntables as well as download players. My own vinyl collection is constantly being raided by my kids (19 to 25) and whenever I visit one of their flats I usually come back with a few records I've had to retrieve...only to see them disappear again a few weeks later!

Subject: RE: Disposing of Vinyl
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 07:27 PM

"Guest" above was me with a dead cookie.

Subject: RE: Disposing of Vinyl
From: Bettynh
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 07:55 PM

I had a similar problem last year, Janie. MAKE the kid look them over and pick the ones he absolutely wants to keep. I had good luck selling a mixed lot on craigslist. I priced them at about 50 cents apiece, and insisted they take the whole lot. They sold in 3 days. The guy was muttering, "My wife's gonna kill me!" as he loaded the car. If he made money on one or two albums, I figure he earned it.

Subject: RE: Disposing of Vinyl
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Aug 12 - 03:08 AM

A comment I made on the 'Nero won't work' thread, but relevant to this one, I think.
Jim Carroll
I'm sure everybody is aware, but it doesn't do any harm to remind.
CDs have a shelf life (7 years was mooted to me once).
We have spent the last few years storing our collection on external hard discs, and have housed copies in the National Sound Archive at the British Library and at the Irish Traditional Music Archive in Dublin - we have also deposited copies with trusted friends.
Any valuable or irreplacable material you have is well worth the money and effort of backing up somewhere.
Ironically, it is reel-to-reel recordings that have stood the test of time better than all other formats (some of ours date back to the mid 1960s

Subject: RE: Disposing of Vinyl
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Aug 12 - 03:44 AM

Turn then into vases ......   ehow.com/how_7690364_make-melted-vinyl-album-vase.html

Perfect for holding granny's ashes.

Subject: RE: Disposing of Vinyl
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Aug 12 - 07:52 AM

Even reel to reel tapes are dependent on storage conditions. I work in the biggest user of storage media in the world...the seismic exploration industry. Even now I'm occasionally asked to try and recover data from old 9 track tapes recorded in the 70s and early 80s. A lot o fthe time we can't...sometimes you can even see the oxide sitting in the tape case, having fallen off the carrying medium.

Our industry generally re-transcribes stored data every 5 years, often onto 2 or 3 types of media.It's a massive on-going job: just the positioning data from a 12 streamer marine seismic line ( 2-3 hours worth of acquisition) can take up a gigabyte, and the seismic data volume for the same line can take up 15-20 Gb. My QC guys, who are only *sampling* small subsets of the data, generally fill 3 x 2 Terabyte disks on a single 4-5 week survey.

Subject: RE: Disposing of Vinyl
From: GUEST,Charles Macfarlane
Date: 19 Aug 12 - 07:58 AM

Having disposed of all my vinyl equipment, I gave mine to my favourite charity. I've kept only a handful, which I may sell on or give away in due course.

Subject: RE: Disposing of Vinyl
From: Claire M
Date: 19 Aug 12 - 10:17 AM

Hiya,

A lot of my cds have seen better days but they sound as clear as when I 1st got them, bar one where 1 line plays too fast. I don't have any vinyl because it's easier for me to put a cd in. I've known lots of people who dispose of their own vinyl by passing it onto me – I get someone to put it on cd then keep the original in case the cd scratches – unless it's not mine, in which case I give it back.

Since you're getting rid – have you got any blues??

Subject: RE: Disposing of Vinyl
From: Larry The Radio Guy
Date: 19 Aug 12 - 03:18 PM

If anybody in the Okanagan has some vinyl they want to dispose of, let me know. The Peach City Radio society in Penticton is trying to set up a community radio station, and are raising money through throwing a vinyl swap (The Peach City VinylFest) September 30, and are open to receiving any vinyl records that anybody wants to donate.

Our website is http://peachcityradio.org/

Also if you have records, cd's, or anything related to music that you want to sell, you can rent a table for only $25.