BS: Letter bombs (UK)

Subject: BS: Letter bombs (UK)
From: GUEST,Ratface
Date: 07 Feb 07 - 11:05 AM

Monday: one in Capita, who run the London congestion charge.
Tuesday: one at an accountancy firm who process speeding fines.
Wednesday: one at DVLA Swansea.

What on earth is going on ?   I may hate these places, too, but not the poor girlies who open the post ferchrissake.

Subject: RE: BS: Letter bombs (UK)
From: Alec
Date: 07 Feb 07 - 11:07 AM

A new variant on the old adage that the most dangerous part of a car is the nut that holds the steering wheel.

Subject: RE: BS: Letter bombs (UK)
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 07 Feb 07 - 11:14 AM

I don't know what's going on but I just hope that when the person(s) get caught nobody complains that we are holding them too long!

Subject: RE: BS: Letter bombs (UK)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Feb 07 - 12:05 PM

It's the natural result of the Jeremy Clarkson tendency, and the nuts who excuse attacks on speed cameras, or who don't think road offences shoule be seen as real crimes.

Subject: RE: BS: Letter bombs (UK)
From: Big Phil
Date: 07 Feb 07 - 12:26 PM

Get a grip McGrath, its nothing to do with Clarkson, or the Revenue collecting camera's, or folk who disagree with large fines for minor road offences.....
It is some idiot, with a brain smaller than a grain of rice, who is taking out his frustrations on the poor men/women who are just earning a living.
If he sets fire to Revenue raising Cameras thats up to him/her, providing no one is harmed, BUT by hurting the general public, the full weight of the law must be brought to bear on this individual,
Bombs by post, charge them with attempted murder and give them 15 years, that might stop them,,,,,,,,

Subject: RE: BS: Letter bombs (UK)
From: bubblyrat
Date: 07 Feb 07 - 12:33 PM

15 years ?? You must be joking !! This government is so concerned with Human Rights, and re-habilitation, that the Nutter who is sending these letter-bombs won"t even get 15 weeks !! They"ll have MILLIONS of pounds of our money thrown at them, and finding the reasons for what they did, while the victims will have to fight for YEARS to get any compensation !!When,oh when are the British people going to rise up and overthrow the morons who govern us ??

Subject: RE: BS: Letter bombs (UK)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Feb 07 - 12:53 PM

"...its nothing to do with Clarkson, or the Revenue collecting camera's, or folk who disagree with large fines for minor road offences..."

Oh no?

"If the only way of getting their [the government's] attention," Jeremy Clarkson told the readers of the Sun in 2002, "is to destroy the tools that pay for their junkets and their new wallpaper, then so be it. I wish the people from Mad all the very best." In February this year, he suggested that speed cameras might be "filled ... with insulating foam that sets rock hard". (From here)

"MAD" here stands for "Motorists Against Detection" - and here is more about them: 'We will continue attacks on speed cameras' Jan 10th 2007

I'm not suggesting Jeremy Clarkson and co are organising this kind of terrorism, just that he and those like him are contributing to it and encouraging it.

Subject: RE: BS: Letter bombs (UK)
From: Scrump
Date: 07 Feb 07 - 03:45 PM

When,oh when are the British people going to rise up and overthrow the morons who govern us ??

I've been saying that since 1997, bubblyrat :-(

To elect a government like this once is bad luck.

To elect them twice is careless.

To elect them three times is just plain stupid.

(No, I'm not a Tory or a Lib Dem)

Subject: RE: BS: Letter bombs (UK)
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Feb 07 - 04:07 PM

I think scrump is onto something. When the political system is abused in the manner we have become used to by this govt, people start to take action personally.
I think we are seeing the start of something which could change the face of the UK.

Obviously anyone who posts letter bombs to injure junior office workers is mad and is to be condemned, but I too have come to realise that if we sit back and allow our leaders to use the cloak of "democracy" and the electoral system to obscure their crimes we deserve all we get.
Protest against the war in Iraq, world povery, the categorisation of animals as commodities(eg foodstuffs,are all subjects which could benefit from extra-parliamentary action...Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Letter bombs (UK)
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 07 Feb 07 - 04:35 PM

However angry you might feel about the 'system' (which stinks, I agree) sending letter bombs, which usually injure innocent postroom staff, is unutterably foul and must be condemned uneqivocally!

Subject: RE: BS: Letter bombs (UK)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Feb 07 - 04:37 PM

Plenty wrong with "the system", but that doesn't include stuff like speed limits and the congestion charge.

Subject: RE: BS: Letter bombs (UK)
From: GUEST,Crazyhorse
Date: 07 Feb 07 - 04:52 PM

The guy bis a criminal crank. No ifs, no buts, no reasons, no excuses. There are plenty of laws i don't like; are we all supposed to bomb someone? Ake would say yes but then he has his own agenda. No ifs, no buts, no reasons, no excuses.

Subject: RE: BS: Letter bombs (UK)
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 06:25 AM

It's all Jeremy Clarksons fault then is it? There are millions of ordinary people spluttering with rage against your Nanny state McGrath. He simply gets to say so on television. The rest of us have to rely on so called 'democracy' to shift the bastards!

Subject: RE: BS: Letter bombs (UK)
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 06:55 AM

Democracy, there is no such thing in this country. Until such times as voting is either compulsory and/or proportional, the larger parties will continue to gerrymander the UK voting public.
If everybody who complained about the government actually went and voted in elections we might get more than a 40% turnout, and stop parties being elected to govern a country on about 23% of the total votes cast. That's minority government, and we are the ones who let it happen.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Letter bombs (UK)
From: GUEST,ozchick
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 06:59 AM

Voting in Australia is compulsory - didn't seem to make much of a difference here........

Subject: RE: BS: Letter bombs (UK)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 07:12 AM

Jeremy Clarkson is a symptom rather than a cause. But a symptom that helps fire up these petty little terrorists, and give them a warm feeling that they have friends out there. Fellow travellers.

Once again, there are plenty of things wrong with society. Speed cameras and congestion charges are a couple of things that are, broadly speaking, examples of things that are right with society.

The people who attack them aren't any kind of heroes.

Subject: RE: BS: Letter bombs (UK)
From: Gizmo
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 07:25 AM

If all drivers drove within the legal limits and regulations of the law, then we wouldn't have to have speed cameras and restrictions etc.

If you don't speed - what is the problem?

How many of these MAD drivers have seen young children horribly injured and in pain where they have been caught by a car whose driver lost control because they were going too fast?

Recently an elderly lady died round the corner of my house whilst crossing the road. She was crossing at a designated crossing, but a young boy racer (well known in the area) was going to fast to stop in time. The lady got knocked down and eventually died of her injuries, suffering frompain in the last few hours of her life.

How is this excusable? Is this a reason to do away with the speed measures?

I don't like the idea of speed cameras and the way some roads are laid out with preventative measures, but if it helps to save lives from irresponsible drivers, that is the cross we all have to bear.

IMO opinion anyone who speeds while driving, or drives while drunk, should have an automatic intent to murder charge put on them. We all know the dangers and the risks of driving at speed or drunk or without a license etc.

Maybe it seems harsh, but 5 weeks is an insult to the lives and memories of many road traffic deaths.

Nicci (who would also make prisons intolerable to prevent anyone wanting to be in one - vote me for PM, and send them Down).

Subject: RE: BS: Letter bombs (UK)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 07:28 AM

We had a friend, mother of two children, who was killed on a zebra crossing.

Subject: RE: BS: Letter bombs (UK)
From: Teribus
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 07:30 AM

Well, well MGOH, nice to see that you can use the term "fellow travellers" when it suits. Now let's see how much stick you get for using it. Bet it's nowhere near the flack I drew for doing the same thing. As usual with the left, one rule for us another for them.

On this one I am in total agreement with eanjay, bubblyrat Goik and Crazyhorse.

"categorisation of animals as commodities" - Akenaton

What the hell do think they are - Pets?

Subject: RE: BS: Letter bombs (UK)
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 08:51 AM

Nutter(s).
They should be locked up for a long time.
And Nicci's right, prison should be so hard no-one would ever want to go there.

Subject: RE: BS: Letter bombs (UK)
From: Scrump
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 10:07 AM

But isn't sending people to prison a contravention of their "human rights"?

Subject: RE: BS: Letter bombs (UK)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 10:31 AM

I see "fellow travellers" as a totally neutral term, meaning being broadly in sympathy with some group without being an actual member. I'd regard myself as a "fellow traveller" in relation to Morris Dancers.

It seems particularly appropriate terminology in the context of people like Jeremy Clarkson and the appropriately named MAD mob in relation whoever it is who has moved on from the very costly vandalism which they espouse to terrorist letter bombs, and who have the cheek to pretend that they are somehow advocates for the rights of motorists.

Subject: RE: BS: Letter bombs (UK)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 10:35 AM

They should be locked up for a long time

I think effectively depriving these people of their motor cars might be a much more appropriate punishment than prison. Maybe banning them from riding in any other peoples motor cars into the bargain. (Any driver who gave them a lift could be liable to lose their licence as well.)

Subject: RE: BS: Letter bombs (UK)
From: Scrump
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 10:37 AM

And motor bikes too?

Subject: RE: BS: Letter bombs (UK)
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 03:33 PM

Would we all be so self-righteous if the targets were those who manufacture, distribute and sell cigarettes.

Cigarette smoking kills thousands in the UK every year, yet this government continues to rake in tax from the sale of tobacco.

Who holds the moral highground?
The manufacture of cigarettes should be banned "no ifs, no buts, no reasons, no excuses"

How many thousands have died since it became clear that tobacco was a killer? And does any govt care?
All governments have been pushed by pressure groups into taking action against the cigarette manufacturers...and against their own interests....Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Letter bombs (UK)
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 03:40 PM

Sorry...For any visitors from outer space that was me!!

And by the way Teribus, See that little poly- wrapped parcel of red stuff in the supermarket? Somebody didn't just make it with their own fair hands.
It walked, ate, shit and farted just like you.....Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Letter bombs (UK)
From: GUEST,Crazyhorse
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 03:50 PM

Ake, I thought (you said) you were an anarchist. So why do you want to pass laws all of a sudden. Smoking isn't good, i admit, but prohibition doesn't work. Feel free to cut and paste from my posts but think about it, i wrote about sending letter bombs no ifs, no buts, no reasons, no excuses it's just not valid to use this phrase about banning the manufacture of fags now is it? There are rational reasons, whether you agree with them or not.

Subject: RE: BS: Letter bombs (UK)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 03:52 PM

A more relevant analogy might be, would we be as disapproving if the targets were car manufacturers and car showrooms - "How many thousands have died..."

Subject: RE: BS: Letter bombs (UK)
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 04:10 PM

yeah that's right McGrath ...Them too!! and power stations, Travel agents, developers, ect ect ect ...All those who would turn paradise into a desert...Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Letter bombs (UK)
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 04:11 PM

Isn't the past tense of shit 'shat'?

Subject: RE: BS: Letter bombs (UK)
From: GUEST,Crazyhorse
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 04:16 PM

Ake, you really do miss the party don't you.

Subject: RE: BS: Letter bombs (UK)
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 04:19 PM

And Shakey...I don't remember broadcasting my political principles in this company.
I don't want to pass laws, I just want to wipe these parasites "off the map". they are no better than any other drug dealers; and I include our governments in that.

There may be irrational reasons , but no rational ones....Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Letter bombs (UK)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 04:20 PM

It can be. Like "sit" and "sat". But then the past tense of hit" is "hit", so perhaps there's room for both variants.

Subject: RE: BS: Letter bombs (UK)
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 04:28 PM

As always, Johnny goes right to crux of the issue....:0)

Subject: RE: BS: Letter bombs (UK)
From: GUEST,Crazyhorse
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 04:50 PM

"Prohibition doesn't work" is fairly rational comrade.

Subject: RE: BS: Letter bombs (UK)
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 07:45 PM

'Prohibition doesn't work' may be rational, but it doesn't stop people and Goverments advocating and implementing bans , as they are not.

Subject: RE: BS: Letter bombs (UK)
From: Teribus
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 04:37 AM

Another observation Ake, that which, "walked, ate, shit and farted" was in fact bred and reared for solely one purpose by someone's fair hand - To end up as "that little poly- wrapped parcel of red stuff in the supermarket". Were that not the case, the animals would not be kept at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Letter bombs (UK)
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 07:45 AM

Aaaaaagghhhh - Got me McG, Ake!!
And to answer your question Ake, yes, I would be equally as self-righteous no matter who the target was. Disapproval of something doesn't confer the right to maim and kill in order to register that disapproval. There are other ways, peacable but equally as effective (if not more so).

Subject: RE: BS: Letter bombs (UK)
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Feb 07 - 04:47 PM

What a cop out Teribus!
So, because humans breed animals to be killed and eaten, the animals are not deserving of a natural standard of life? they are living breathing creatures, exactly like us in every way except that their brains are very much less dangerous.

Teribus's specious argument has been used in the past to support the vilest of cruelty.....cock fighting ,dog fighting, bull fighting, greyhound racing ect ect.......a right "cock and bull story"

Subject: RE: BS: Letter bombs (UK)
From: autolycus
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 02:58 PM

I wonder if Teribus can be creative and suggest some other reasons for the existence of animals apart from
   a) for food.

   b) as pets.


    According to someone on BBC radio,the first ever letter bomb was sent in Sweden in 1904. NALOPKT.






    Ivor


P.S. What does ":o)" mean,please?

Subject: RE: BS: Letter bombs (UK)
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 10 Feb 07 - 03:39 PM

It's a form of Smiley - as in my signature - S:0)