The BBC Board

Subject: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 08:02 AM

Quiet innit? ;0)

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Scrump
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 08:10 AM

And the musical relevance of this thread is...?

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 08:10 AM

Eight posts this morning...9am to 1pm...that's four hours...that's er...two posts an hour....WOW!

And one of those was from a BBC host....

Heck they're getting desperate! ;0)

All this incredible music to discuss.....and yet....

Shame...but at least they've a nice quiet little board now...

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 08:12 AM

It was always a totally useless message board anyway, moderated to death, it's time it was allowed rest in peace.

eric

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 08:13 AM

The musical relevance of this thread is that Once Upon A Time, the BBC board was filled with interesting topics about folk and acoustic music. But now...it seems to be mostly the hosts or mods talking to themselves...

Still at least that way they can 'control' it far better. Can't think why they didn't think of that before really...

Perhaps some folk from here would like to contribute over there as well....now there's a thought...:0)

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 08:14 AM

Hi Dave :0) Cheery Smiley!

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Scrump
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 08:15 AM

Ah, OK, you didn't say you were discussing the BBC Folk & Acoustic discussion board - hance my question above. Thanks for the answer.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 08:18 AM

And...the fRoots board is mightly quiet too...What's going on? Is there an All Inclusive Funky Folkies Holiday going on somewhere that everyone else has gone to and not told me about?

Sorry Scrump...should have been more to the point. I was trying to write a short post! ;0) Splutter....

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 08:23 AM

Dunno about writing on both boards Lizzie. Feels a bit like having dinner at two tables (no facetious comments from those who know my girth please). Or worse - in two different houses; at the same time.

See you at Crediton?

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 08:23 AM

Now which of those boards are you banned from, can you remind me Lizzie?
Or was it both?
Also can you tell me what relevance either board has to Mudcat?

G.¦¬[

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: GUEST, fifth column
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 08:23 AM

Blimey - wonders will never cease! ;-)

I thought you'd gone a bit quiet actually Liz...

We do miss our missing members sometimes. Yes it's a bit subdued at the moment but things are fiery enough when needs arise - like over the awards business - and there are some seriously funny threads at the moment.

Good to know past posters are still around

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 08:43 AM

Hello MacKenzie!!

Well...I am SO banned from the BBC you'd not believe it! I've heard they have Bounty Hunters out for me! ;0) I wouldn't mind but I didn't even DO anything! Sheesh! Load of wallies!

fRoots I was banned from ages back, 'cos Ian can't cope with smilies...'tis not his fault...he's been taken over by the SAS whilst he was asleep I expect...the Smiley Annihalition Society that is...run by The Moaning Minnies...so I hear..chuckle!

However, he did let me back on again months ago...and said I could continue posting again..but...don't want to! (Great Big Cheesy Grin Smiley!) Besides, they use words with more than five letters in over there...and I so don't undertstand them half the time! ;0)

I'm thinking of going back on the BBC board soon as "Look She's Over There' but I don't think they'll laugh...WHEN did the BBC get taken over by Androids???????

And George...did you know that there's a Talking Post Office at Crediton? It used to come on to the Show of Hands messsageboard and say it was about to close and how unhappy it was...truly! Steve and Phil got so upset that they organised a benefit gig for it...and I think the villagers have now bought their PO themselves to keep it going...See...Country Life in action!

Ooh..I've never been to the Crediton Festival before George...I just dashed over to your site to find it...If I can I will, but I don't drive..(not safe in a car...only on a messageboard) ;0)....and trying to get there without one is a disaster reallyl...Hey, just SO don't get me started on the public transport system! GRRRRRRRRRR!

http://www.poppyrecords.co.uk/crediton/cred.htm

Ooh How Exciting! There's been another posting on the BBC board...sadly it's in a queue...Ho hum....What a daft system that is!

>>>>We do miss our missing members sometimes<<<<

I'm not missing...I'm right here...but the BBC now have the entire building alarmed in case I turn up. I mean WHAT did I DO????? Apart from tell the BBC they're in part responsible for the dumbing down of our society, that they're appalling for not letting all this incredible music out because they're too damned busy giving us Cliff Richard and Lionel Ritchie...and that their board is bonkers!

And John Leonard had his thread closed down! That's what I love about the BBC...Free and open discussion about their programmes, and their attitudes....

I'd strongly recommend that John Leonard takes the advice of his very own customer care manager.. :0)

Then...he should come over here and see how a REAL MESSAGEBOARD is run...where people are free to express themselves er..freely..and therefore the Moaning Minnies can't rule the roost...because people can actually answer them back...

I think they should have a thread where John Leonard, the hosts and the mods just keep it entirely to themselves...that would be interesting.. :0) ;0)

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: greg stephens
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 10:08 AM

I was very impressed with John leonard's way of arguing on a public message board. Make an extremely tendentious and obviously challengable statement, and then have one of his minions close it sound so nobody could reply. That really stopped me have any serious interest in that board. A discussion board is presumably for discuss, if it is used by its Owner to make Infallible ex cathedra statements it seems to have kind of lost track of its purpose in life.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 10:21 AM

It may be quieter than in the past, but only someone completely self-obsessed who thrives on conflict could prefer the atmosphere that existed before. Before you were banned, that is.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Scrump
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 10:35 AM

The moderators on all the BBC boards that I've looked at or contributed to seem to be biased in one way or another. If you don't agree with their point of view, you'll be lucky to get your comment posted (this is all IMO of course).

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 10:45 AM

As I said already, saying the same things on two message boards is like having two concurrent dinners at different places. Wasteful and of doubtful value. And anyway, I'd rather have dinner here in the poorhouse with all my mates, rather than in the mansionn where I am made to feel like a guest. After all I support folk, not just British folk; and the BBC's R2F&A board is no shopwindow for either, like its output on the airwaves - too limited.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 11:40 AM

Oh do put a sock in it Ruth/Joan or whoever you are today m'dear, there's a good ol' girlie! ;0) I don't thrive on conflict at all, but I sure as hell ain't a wimp and therefore I'll stand up to people like you Joan, tiresome though it gets in having to do that.

Still at least your board is lovely and quiet now. Excellent. Nothing I like better than a messageboard which has no messages on. Always a useful thing to have around...And it's great to see the BBC have spent our money so wisely in getting themselves such a quiet messageboard too.

And I'm right with you Greg. I thought it was an Absolutely Classic Leonard when he had his Oh So Open About Things thread closed down. That man makes me hoot at times.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 12:02 PM

If you're the victim and I'm one of the myriad bullies, Lizzie or Mrs Route or whoever you are today, how come you're banned?

I'm not.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 12:10 PM

Now, now, good people.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: The Sandman
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 12:14 PM

The bbc bored.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Jim Lad
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 12:35 PM

BBC Folk & Acoustic discussion board..... This must be what some of you were referring to in the past. I couldn't find it but now with the full title.... Think I'll brush up on my BBC accent and give it a jolly good run.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 12:39 PM

Ah yes..Joan/Ruth...good to see you being personal again though, seems to suit your nature, this 'let's try and embarrass her and drag her personal life out all over messageboards....Luckily though as I said earlier, I don't choose to go down to your level.

Now then as to your comment above....How come you're not banned and I am?

Ah well, please rest assured that I've written to the BBC and told them I'm extremely happy to help their Investigations Department look into why you, who called me a "nasty little racist" on their board, (thus breaking their rules about personal abuse) are still permitted on there and yetI'm not.

Interesting that one isn't it.

All part and parcel though of the new 'Freedom of Speech' at the BBC I guess. Some people are free to be abusive, rude, cruel, unkind, deeply personal, highly unpleasant, put people's families at possible risk, or tell downright lies about people and the BBC welcomes you with open arms. Yup, they even welcome you if you actually own up to 'ganging up' on one particular poster, as someone happily said in the Dave Gilmour thread way back now.

Yet, if you dare to stand up to the kind of people who do those things...you get banned....because apparently I'm supposed to just sit there and take whatever you and your pals decide to pour down upon me and not say a darn thing.

Strange ol' world at the BBC eh! ;0) One that I'm sure someone, one day, may be interested in sorting out for the better. Always the optimist me..

Personally I preferred it when the BBC stood for something honourable and was run by people who had some sort of integrity. Now we have 1984 Style Mods and people in control who don't give a flying donkey about honour, integrity, truth, decent behaviour or dealing with posters who use their boards for very little else other than to be unpleasant....

And of course, Smooths Ops own Customer Care Manager, John Leonard, has been holding two fingers up to anyone who dared to press their 'Complaints' button for years now! With a big smile on his face too, only recently having removed the offending and offensive photo, after someone complained on the BBC board about it...and yet...and yet...I complained about that same thing years back...and nowt happened. Well well...

I'd have complained to the Customer Care Manager of course, but er...

And these people are the ones who run the BBC Folk & Acoustic Board....Says it all really doesn't it.

You're kind of people perhaps Joan/Ruth....but they sure as hell ain't mine..so I'll leave you to them, quite happily.

Good to see the BBC Host has just posted again though. At least someone's over there! ;0)


Lizzie

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Jim Lad
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 12:52 PM

Woops!
I'm outa here.
Didn't realize I was on a BS thread.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 12:55 PM

I miss me too sometimes.
What I don't miss is reading LC being blatantly racist against good citizens of Borsetshire.
Hasn't Ruth got enough problems with the cowshed activities without a bonkers fake Devonian telling her she'll never be 'proper English'?
I got banned for naming 'madlizzie' as Mrs Route. Which she is.
And wondering when she's taking off for Canada to be with 'Sam'.
Which she hasn't. Unfortunately.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 01:06 PM

Well there's a lot of new hoodies on there, naturally....and the old hoodies have er..strangely disappeared...Now I wonder why that would be? Hmmmmmmm.....

Nope...the BBC is just..er..QUIET!

Damn shame...because Mysterious Guest Hoodie, once it was teeming with people, with posts, with threads, with enthusiasm and fun...and arguments as well. It was SO busy!!

Heck the Folkwaves thread alone became so popular that the BBC had to close it down! Great Big Smiley! It's a BBC logic...If something becomes popluar you close it...Simple really...Doh!

Of course, we were told that the BBC computer couldn't cope with the sheer number of posts on there (!!!!) and that 500 was the limit (Oh pureleeze!)...which was mighty strange as on the other boards there were threads that had topped 1,000 and were still going strong...

Course...it COULD have been that Folkwaves outshone and outshines The Mike Harding programme every single week and Smooth Ops couldn't cope with the fun, the community and the interest in that thread from a group of people who tuned in to Listen Live...and the Mike Harding thread was barely written on...

I expect 'Off With Her Head' (again) was the order from God Leonard's office....and so...Mel closed down that thread...Interesting that the Mike Harding one is still open though eh? ;0)....but then it's not reached 500 yet...However, I'll take bets that when it does...it'll stay open! ;0)

Oh my ban is way beyond life....The BBC Bounty Hunters have orders to search for me into eternity and beyond you know.... :0)   And I have no intention of ever visiting a board that is now run by such dishonourable control freaks.

Great shame that what was once a vibrant and pulsating board, is now a shadow of it's former self though.

Ho hum! :0)

Still...at least the Hosts can chatter away happily to themselves. ;0)
And the Moaning Minnies can retire and rub their hands together in glee about 'a job well done'......

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Jim Lad
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 01:19 PM

Looks like a really good site. Thanks for the tip.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Sorcha
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 01:24 PM

If you don't visit there, how do you know the Mods are posting, Mrs Route?

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 01:37 PM

"Ah yes..Joan/Ruth...good to see you being personal again though"

How was I any more personal than you? I simply used your real name, just as you did mine. Except that I'm not hiding my identity - everyone knows who I am, and I'm not ashamed of it.

"this 'let's try and embarrass her and drag her personal life out all over messageboards..."

No, love. You did that all by yourself.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 02:23 PM

I wonder where the post has gone that said 'madlizzie' was an arse and therefore wasn't missed at the BBC F&A but that they missed me cos I kbew what I was talking about?

I like posts that tell me that. So I was just filling you in on WHY I don't post there now. I got premodded and all posts mentioning Mrs Route were removed.

And now it's happening here. Wonder why. Who could be doing a thing like that?

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 02:25 PM

Ooh look...the Three Witches have arrived all on top of each other...

Hubble Bubble....girls...hubble bubble....

Did you know, that on the new Show of Hands thread it says their new video of Roots which is now on Youtube has had nearly 9,000 viewings!

Wonderful!!! :0)

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 03:52 AM

At last - someone really qualified to converse with Lizzie. They could discuss the relative merits of random spam generation...

Preceding spam deleted....Mudpiskie

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 04:19 AM

Lets get back to the thread, which is the BBC R2 message board not a Lizzie bashing exercise, incidently it appears not to be a BBC R2 message board but a Smoothwankers, sorry Smooth Operations message board as obviously John Leonard always has the final word.

eric

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 07:40 AM

Why thank you Eric..how kind. :0) xxx

Ooh...things are looking up today...there's 16 posts on there so far this morning...and it's 12.33pm as I write...so that's erm....three and a half hours divided by...16...times 10...take away 4...then think of the answer you first thought of...

Works out about 5 an hour I reckon...although the host posted one...to apologise for all the mistakes Smooth Ops had made on the F&A board. Giggle! S'wonderful isn't it! ;0)

Hopefully word is trickling through from here now that the BBC board needs some messages on it....despite this thread having been moved below stairs for some strange reason.

I worry about the BBC though. I was told I musn't contact 'BBC staff' or 'those who work for the BBC'

Doh! Smiley!!

Is it me...or is that not the same thing??????

Perhaps....perhaps their staff don't work...so they have to bring in people who aren't 'staff' but who do work!

Aha! I think I may have cracked it! ;0)


Lizzie :0)

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 08:01 AM

There are lots of non-contracted (freelance) or sub-contracted (ie Smooth Ops) people who work for the BBC. So they would be people who work for the BBC, but not BBC staff. Not rocket science.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 08:52 AM

Ooh noooo! Sorry to rid you of your rocket science theory...but they're definitely NOT Smooth Ops...they were mentioned separately....

Now, they've been told they musn't contact me, Smooth Ops that is...which is an absolute hoot as they er..haven't..once...in all of this fiasco....but now it's an 'official no contact' I guess.

I LOVE the BBC Complaints system...it's wondrous! :0)

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Bee
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 09:44 AM

Good grief.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 09:46 AM

I wasn't limiting subcontracted staff to Smooth Ops, I was simply using them as an illustrative example. There are plenty of other production companies who work for the Beeb; you've been asked not to contact any of them (or contracted BBC staff) because they see you as quite mad and possibly dangerous. I believe they've accused you of threatening their employees...?

Personally, I'd be mortified if I ever found myself in such a situation, rather than drawing attention to it.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 09:51 AM

Good grief.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 11:26 AM

>>>>you've been asked not to contact any of them (or contracted BBC staff) because they see you as quite mad and possibly dangerous. I believe they've accused you of threatening their employees...?

Personally, I'd be mortified if I ever found myself in such a situation, rather than drawing attention to it. <<<<


Oh Joanruth for Gawd's sake...do stop with this one woman campaign of vitriol.

Look.....I told you that I thought what you said about Show of Hands that time was appalling. And I still think it was. You're miffed because I told you that on a BBC board. You organise Loughborough Festival I believe and to go on the BBC board and say what you did about ANY act would have been appalling in my eyes....no matter if you were a festival organiser or not. I am not into the BBC messageboard being used as a vehicle to 'put the boot' into various artists reputations. And as someone who works in the folk world I felt that you should have not behaved in such a manner.

It got up your nose...and since then you've been like a leech around me...

The BBC have 'accused' me of threatening their employees, I presume you've read my Blog about it over on my Myspace page. I have written to them to ask them to send me this evidence and I have also said that I would LOVE their Investigations Department to look into this whole business. I've been on that board far longer than you Joan, I know all the threads where this has happened, and all the posts are still there. I've been asking the BBC to sort this out for YEARS and they have done absolutely nothing!

They know, I believe, that in court they'd not have a leg to stand on in all of this. I am perfectly willing for them to take me to court over this or to get their Investigations Department looking into it, as I have been asking them to do for a very long time now. I am that confident about my behaviour and I know exactly what they have put in their emails too as I still have them.

You Joan, have no idea about all of this. So might I suggest, politely that you take you pompous attitude over all this away from me, as you've not a clue what has been going on for years or what happened recently.

The BBC choose not to answer my emails. I wonder why. I can assure you that they do not think I'm 'dangerous' as you so sweetly put it, other than they are running scared. Even one of their own hosts 'attacked' me verbally on their board for being someone I was not...THEN she checked it out and apologised profusely. It's all on the board still to this day, as are many other things.

I have picked up the BBC's gauntlet and I have thrown mine down.

They have not picked it up.


Lizzie

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 11:40 AM

Sounds to me like you took umbrage because someone didn't share your passion for a performer, or group of performers, and instead of sensibly realising that we all have different tastes you attacked this person for her bad taste.
Now if you had shut up and accepted that we don't all like the same thing and that some of the things we hold dear are regarded by others as crap, then this whole farrago might never have occurred.
G

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:01 PM

No MacKenzie, that wasn't it at all actually. I think you need to read my post again. It was a question of intergrity. If the same thing had been said about George or anyone else I'd have reacted in exactly the same way, and that was merely to say that I thought it was an appalling thing to say.

Nowt wrong with that.

Why should I shut up? I am as entitled to my opinion as you are. To me there are ways that Festival Organisers should behave, which go above and beyond those who are not connected to the folk world in that way, although I'd have still taken issue with anyone who'd said that, no matter who they were.

I could of course, turn your post on its head and say that perhaps you should have 'shut up' too purely because I hold Show of Hands dear and you perhaps regard them as crap. But over and over you tell me off for my opinions, whilst I recognise that you have a right to say what you think. Joan can like or dislike whomsoever she pleases, but a BBC messageboard is not the place to put down words as she did.

Oh...and the BBC have just removed the thread about Ashley Hutchings too. With details of where you go to sign the e petition for him to have be given a knighthood for his services to music and dance....

They have also removed posts on the Rainbow Chasers and Bollin Morris too. Why? Because I dared to pop over and write some things about folk music on their board...get it moving a bit for them...

I made it easy for them to spot as I called myself 'Shesoverthere' ;0)....and needless to say, along came a cute little moaning minnie...."Hello Lizzie" ...and then zap zap zap....

Still I guess that the Moaning Minnies would far rather score points over me, than let anything be written about folk music wouldn't they.
Sums them up entirely. Nasty, small minded, vindictive little nobodies basically....who'd far rather that no artist or musician was supported by someone they despise...

And you think I should 'shut up' MacKenzie?

On yer bike Laddie....

Lizzie

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:09 PM

There you go Lizzie you cannot even respond properly to a reasoned post, you end up by making personal remarks, which is what I would expect from a school kid.
I shall not respond in kind, why should I when there is apparently a queue forming to do it for me!
G.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:17 PM

LC said:

I am not into the BBC messageboard being used as a vehicle to 'put the boot' into various artists reputations

. . . so STOP DOING IT.
As many have told you so many times before.

You castigate someone for saying that they'd rather stick pins in their eyes than sit through a SoH set.
That's what's known as 'fair comment' and I feel exactly the same.
You, on the other hand, have musicians cowering in corners, asking in scared whispers, 'She's not here, is she?'
Go figure.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Wesley S
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:17 PM

I don't have a dog in this hunt - but when I see folks getting this upset it makes me want to ask the question:

Would you rather be happy - or right?

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:23 PM

Errrrr; both?

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:28 PM

Why come to this forum to slag off the BBC forum? If anyone here cared about it they wuld be there! After all you don't write to the Times to complain about the letters page in the Mail.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:28 PM

It takes a lot of dedication to follow concurrent spats on two threads by the same people - one in BS and one above the line. My eyes are blurring...

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:16 PM

Come on George...you can do it! "I've got faith in you..." to quote Show of Hands....;0)

The BBC have now even removed the link to Shrewsbury Folk Festival that I put in earlier...nowt else..just the link and a smile...but nope..

So if anyone's over there, could they put it back again please and tell the BBC not to be so childish, unsupportive and spiteful..

Thanks....

:0)

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:27 PM

I'm struggling, but I made it.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:47 PM

Sounds like you need another portion of Moose Pie to me George! ;0)

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:56 PM

It's the antlers, they play hell in the morning

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: GUEST,Canadienne
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 02:02 PM

1 moose, antlers removed

George - you really got to read the recipe - ooops sorry forgot your eyes were blurred!

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Blowzabella
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 02:14 PM

The funny thing is - Guest, pedrucho's post almost fits into this thread quite naturally (I haven't followed the link, mind)

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: GUEST,Devil's Advocate
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 02:30 PM

"Oh...and the BBC have just removed the thread about Ashley Hutchings too. With details of where you go to sign the e petition for him to have be given a knighthood for his services to music and dance....They have also removed posts on the Rainbow Chasers and Bollin Morris too. Why? Because I dared to pop over and write some things about folk music on their board...get it moving a bit for them."

Hardly surprising is it Lizzie?? You have, after all, been banned very comprehensively from the board!! Attempts to sneak in to post as "sethettie", "Andro Gynous" or "Shesoverthere" (if that was what you posted as recently) just strike people like me as being rather childish, not to mention pointless.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: autolycus
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 03:26 PM

Writing to one paper complaining about another (especially if the owners are different) is better than writing to the paper itself [except The Guardian].

British journos and broadcasters,like Brits generally,really take badly to being criticised - the drawbridge goes up,etc. Criticise a Brit in an unanswerable way,and they get angry.

So the last media outlet to address a complaint to is the one you having the spat with.

As well as The Grauniad,I'm tempted to except the BBC,who are more open than most outlets. I wonder if their websites are being operated by a non-BBC breed?






       Ivor

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 03:30 PM

I believe they are indeed, Ivor

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 03:33 PM

'Scuse me....but it was An Drogynous.....Do keep up dear...

And...it's called 'humour'

And.....it's not pointless. If you're following 'the plot' you'll note that none of my messages are personal but are about er...folk and acoustic music...but nope...zap zip zap zop....

I'm not sure if you're a BBC staff or non-staff person, who may or many not work there, from time to time...but if you are then I'm afraid I can't converse with you in any way whatsoever, ever again...not even if you know someone who may..or may not..work at the BBC or even live next door to them...Nope!

Once upon a time...in a land, far far away, called Great Britain...we used to have it....humour that is...and fun...we were allowed to laugh and fall over sideways with Mrs. Doyle and Dave Allen, Morecombe and Wise et al...

But now...we have 'The Ministry Of Seriousness At All Times' ruling this Green and Pleasant Land....and....they've even infiltrated the BBC! Alas....there is no hope left!


Who shall I be tomorrow then? ;0)

'The Milky Bar Kid' was a good one...but never made it on to the board.....

How about 'Elizabeth Cornish'....now that could be a winner!

Anyway Devil if you're nothing to do with the BBC then I'm very pleased to see you're keeping a little booklet with all my names in....but don't forget the 'Tonight Matthew I'm going to be......' thread as there's a few more in there too... ;0)

I always own up you know...

Oh...and Spirit of Hope on the Music Club board...after they banned me from there....She had the audacity to talk about Yusuf Islam so she got sent to Room 101 in no time...and then there was Nick Name..I liked him...but he only posted once about music...nothing nasty...then I forgot what my password was...but I kind of warmed to Nick... ;0)

Elsie was my favourite though (she's in the Matthew thread)....that was because of LC you see. The really interesting thing about Elsie though, was that the pain in the bum person who caused most of this trouble in the first place, otherwise known as McFairy, didn't cotton on...and so..when Elsie spoke all about Country Life she got a reasoned and polite reply from Fiona....but then...old clever clogs Diane, aka Countess....sussed Elsie out..and oh boy...did Fiona's attitude change!

Very interesting bit of physcology on that thread...

Anyway..I expect you're really pleased that the link to Shrewsbury Festival has gone and Ashley's thread and the Rainbow Chaser's link...

Obviously you're a GREAT supporter of folk music Devil... :0)

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: GUEST,Devil's Advocate
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 03:34 PM

""Oh...and the BBC have just removed the thread about Ashley Hutchings too. With details of where you go to sign the e petition for him to have be given a knighthood for his services to music and dance...."
When I looked about half an hour ago, Lizzie, your post was still there with full details of the petition website address, and the thread was still very much in existence. So yet again you're talking rubbish!

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 03:40 PM

"And you think I should 'shut up' MacKenzie?

On yer bike Laddie....

Lizzie"

"If you're following 'the plot' you'll note that none of my messages are personal but are about er...folk and acoustic music"

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: GUEST,Devil's Advocate
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 03:40 PM

OK - I stand corrected - it has now gone, but was there well after you said it had disappeared. At the moment, The Rainbow Chasers thread, and your posting on it are still in existence - but then that thread wasn't started by you anyway.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 03:59 PM

Yes, I organise a festival. Yes, I said I'd rather stick pins in my eyes than sit through a SoH set. My personal opinion. That's the "appalling" thing I said on thr BBC board. Crucify me. As I've said ad infinitum, I have not cast aspersions on their abilities as musicians, i've simply expressed a matter of personal taste, which I have a right to do no matter what my job is. If you think that repeatedly bringing it up is somehow going to intimidate me, Lizzie, you're mistaken.

Your opinions about how festival organisers should behave are meaningless. There are plenty of festivals and artists - professionals in this industry - who are happy to accept my help in all sorts of development and fundraising areas, regardless of your opinion of my professionalism. God, Lizzie, if you only knew what I get up to in my spare time, you'd pull your bloody head in...

I suspect your messages got removed from the BBC site, not because the BBC is " childish, unsupportive and spiteful", but because you're banned, and they regard you as unstable and possibly dangerous.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 04:07 PM

Devil...the Ashley thread had gone earlier this afternoon. It may well have popped back for a short time...but it's obviously gone again. What will happen next, I've no doubt is that it will come back, but with the title and first post zapped...and as there were no other comments on it....it'll make no sense. But that's how the BBC want to support folk musicians these days.

Nope...underneath my one long post in the Rainbow Chasers thread, is another one, closed, which related to a link on the post above not working. I said that you could access that link via Ashley's 'unofficial' page on myspace. It was allowed on originally, then it was withdrawn..

Again..petty, mindless, spiteful and staggering...but that is how that board is now run..and it will drive people away and quite frankly I'm sure the BBC wouldn't give a damn if all their boards were closed down...There not really interested in supporting folk musicians...unless they have a vested interest.....perhaps.

MacKenzie dear....I was talking about my BBC messages made by my band The Aliases.....Over here...when you talk so rudely to me, I can respond in a little more depth...although I don't go to the same depth as you....now...settle down and eat your Acid Drops...there's a Good Laddie...and stop sulking! ;0)

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 04:11 PM

Cornish Splits

450g (1lb) Plain Flour
300ml (½ pint) Milk, tepid
25g (1oz) Butter
15g (½oz) Fresh Yeast
1tsp Caster Sugar
1tsp Salt

Pre-heat oven to 200°C; 400°F: Gas 6
Cream together the yeast and sugar and add the milk.
Sieve the flour and salt into a basin.
Melt the butter and add it, with the milk mixture to the flour.
Mix into a smooth dough.
Allow the dough to rise in a warm place for 45 minutes.
Shape the dough into round balls and place on to a greased baking tin.
Bake for 15-20 minutes.
Serve hot or cold with butter, home-made jam and cream.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 04:36 PM

Found in Jane Grigson:

CORNISH KNOBS

(also known as Fairings (just as well as he recipe comes fom the WI).
'Fairings', says Ms Grigson, could be a ribbin or trinket to give o a girlfriend but ofen they were something sweet which did for the parents as well. (Or possibly the other way round).

125g strong flour
quarter tespoon salt
teaspoon each of baking powder, bicarbonate of soda, ground ginger, cinnamon, mixed spice
60g butter
60g sugar
grated rind of lemon
2 tablespoons golden syrup

Mix up, Throw in compost bin. Go to shop.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 04:38 PM

Apologies for typing errors far too numerous to mention.
Lack of beer.
Going to shop.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: GUEST,Devil's Advocate
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 05:18 PM

Ooo... me now - and for dessert...

Rich Fruit Fool

1 Lb gooseberries, apples, blackberries or raspberries
3 tbsp water
3-6 oz caster sugar
12 fl oz double cream
2 tbsp fresh milk
red or green food colouring (optional)
chopped walnuts or chopped toasted almonds and fruit for decoration

1. Prepare fruit according to type
2. Bring slowly to the boil, cover with lid and simmer until fruit
   is soft.
3. Remove from heat. Add sugar to taste. Liquidise. Leave until cold.
4. Whip 1/2 pt cream and milk together until stiff,then gradually
   fold in fruit puree.
5. IF FOOL IS PALE IN COLOUR TINT WITH FOOD COLOURING.
6. Transfer to 4 sundae glasses and chill
7. Before serving, whip remaining cream until thick, pipe whirls on
   top of each dessert and top with nuts.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 05:34 PM

Ah...now this is more like the BBC board...I'm starting to feel quite at home in here....

Where's George?

He'll never be able to cope with recipies above and below stairs....it'll send him crackers! ;0)

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 05:44 PM

Been watching Fools an'Orses, keeping meself out of mischief. And now about to have a drinkie-poo with Nessie, and off to Bedfordshire for yours truly, 'cos I'm 'alf brown bread. This dayjob lark is creamcrackerin'.

Cheers, all - and nightie-night.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 08:11 AM

Hey George -

after all my Bit Rot Hassles I have now changed my browser - Because I now use a certain browser, the title for this thread reads

"The BBC Board - Opera"


:-)

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: GUEST,Devil's Advocate
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 08:16 AM

That wouldn't be the one by the same group that did "Jerry Springer - the Opera" would it???

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 08:49 AM

I have noticed that a lot of threads here turn into Opera -

Soap Opera, that is -

or perhaps, more accurately, a 'Saga'...

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 09:11 AM

8-)

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 10:01 AM

A Saga holiday, anyway...

:D

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 10:07 AM

"We're all goin' on a Saga Holiday"...

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: GUEST,Keith
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 11:08 AM

Jackboot Janey has just removed the title on a thread, the first post of which simply says "there isn't any folk music on the radio". While that assertion is somewhat far of the mark, I think it does prove that the BBC Board is being moderated out of some institution for the terminally bewildered. But then it's been like that for quite a while.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 11:27 AM

Ha! You haven't been to R3 recently and seen the hoo-hah over Music Matters. This is a programme that hardly anyone has ever heard because you never know when it's going out. So, some thought, what a good place to talk about Andy Kershaw (moved) and Mixing It (gone). There seems to be nowhere else these days, and they do don't they? Matter, I mean.

No. Any mention of Dr AK is instantly zapped. Mixing It has been resurrected at Resonance FM (Wedneday @ 23.00 Hurrah! - though head to head with LJ). Postings of the Resonance press release were zapped off twice. OK, they were a bit disrespectful of network Controller Roger Wright, but they're STILL awaiting a Host decision two days after transmission.

You thought the natives became a bit restless at R2 after reorganisation? At R3 they have minds and voices - and they use them. Feedback (R4 9 March) on 'interactive message boards at the BBC promises to be interesting.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: GUEST,Keith
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 12:04 PM

"Feedback (R4 9 March) on 'interactive message boards at the BBC promises to be interesting".

VERY interesting indeed!

I'll make sure I listen to that one.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 07:04 AM

I'm sorry to resurrect this thread..but I simply HAVE to EXPLODE for a second!

Over on the BBC board there's a new discussion about other folk websites...here it is:

BBC THREAD - Folk Websites

And Message 3 on there is from someone who also posts over here, under the same name, where they mention that the BBC board is now no longer very busy.

EXCUSE ME?????????????????????

OK..I have to throw several books and beer glasses at the wall here for a moment!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ahhhh! That's a bit better!

Could someone PLEASE explain to me how this can be said by one of The Moaning Minnies who has spun and moaned and lied..yup..OPENLY lied about me on there...possibly joined in with all the others to get me taken to the scaffold, along with Diane...and then...THEN he DARES to turn around and say how QUIET the BBC board is!!!!!!

SHEESH!!

Holy Maggots!

I'm sorry, but that is ALMOST as breathtakingly unbelievable as when he went over there to tell people that I was over here pretending to be Banned From The BBC...(which I wasn't!!) deliberately stirring things up over there again, about me....

Ye Gods!!

Well..I think it's GREAT that the BBC board is now SO quiet that sitting in a churchyard is way more exciting!

It serves them ALL right...

You may not have liked me...some of you may not have liked Diane...but one thing you cannot deny is that once upon a time, that board was fizzing! People used to say that they were addicted to it...that they had to pop in every day to see what was happening...

But Oh no...some couldn't stand the humour, they couldn't take the smilies, they couldn't take Diane and I snipping and snapping at one another, they couldn't take the wit or the wisdom....because they like boards to be er..BORING...and GREY..AND...QUIET!

So now...NOTHING is happening!!

Well done Moaning Minnies!

Well done BBC!!!!

And now..I'm off to the seafront in Sidmouth, to watch the sun sparkling on the waves....as that may calm me down..but then again...it may not!

WHAT A WASTE!!!!! And all because of a few bitter people!

SUFFERING SUCCOTASH!

Lizzie :0(

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Scrump
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 07:36 AM

Should we give a toss about whether the BBC "board" is quiet or not? I don't, but it seems maybe I should, judging by the above?

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: GUEST,Bystander
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 08:31 AM

Lizzie , you say that you're sory to resurrect the thread. I very much doubt that that is the case.... I think you should get some medical advice about your paranoia ... the person in question (who I'm quite sure is not guilty of the things you have hysterically accused him of) merely said that the Board (like one or two others at the moment - not just BBC or fRoots) was a bit quiet at the moment. I'd far rather have that than continual diatribes like the one above - and I've no doubt that things will liven up again before too long.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 08:54 AM

Lizzie.
Have a nice lie down and a cup of tea.
Make you feel better

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: GUEST,Ralphe
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 09:20 AM

It's actually illegal to record a gig, unless written (Or similar) consent is given by the artist. (Also PRS forms have to be submitted)
This is the real world Ms Route...not La La land.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 11:38 AM

I don't want to 'lie down'....visit a quack (Whoa..He's behind me!)....or try and work out what the heck 'gig' Ralph is recording in this thread....(Is it ME Smiley!)

The whole point that you're missing here is that the BBC board is now as dead as a dodo....

It's like the Monty Python Parrot sketch isn't it?

Poster: 'Ello 'Ello, there's somefink wrong with this 'ere board. It's dead, that's what's wrong with it!

Moddy: No no no...this board is just restin'

Poster: Look Moddy, I know a dead board when I see one and I'm looking at one right now.

Moddy: No no, it's not dead, it's resting! It's a remarkable board the BBC Blue idn't it ay? Beautiful messages!

Poster: The messages don't enter into it....it's stone dead!

Moddy: Nononono, no, no! 'It's resting!

Poster: All right then, if it's restin', I'll wake it up!

(shouting at the board)

'Ello, Mister Board! I've got a lovely fresh folk and acoustic message for you if you show...(moddy starts a thread)

Moddy: There, it moved!

Poster: No, it didn't, that was you starting a thread!

Moddy: I never!!

Poster: Yes, you did!

Moddy: I never, never did anything...

Poster: (yelling and posting on the board repeatedly) 'ELLO ELLO!!!!!
Testing! Testing! Testing! Testing! This is your nine o'clock alarm call!

(Posts message on the board, watches it appear, then disappear. Throws hands up in air in exasperation and watches board plummet into nothingness again)

Poster: Now that's what I call a dead board!

Moddy: No, no.....No, It's stunned!

Poster: STUNNED?!?

Moddy: Yeah! You stunned it, just as it was wakin' up! BBC Blues stun easily, you know!

Poster: Um...now look...now look, mate, I've definitely 'ad enough of this. That board is definitely deceased, and when I wrote on it not 'alf an hour ago, I was assured it's lack of movement was due to it bein' tired and flaked out due to a prolonged binge at The Folk Awards!

Moddy: Well, it's...it's, ah...probably pining for more messages!

Poster: PININ' for messages! What kind of talk is that? Look, why did it fall flat on it's back the moment two posters got banned?

Moddy: The BBC Blue prefers kippin' on it's back! Remarkable bird, id'nit, squire? Lovely messages!

Poster: Look, I took the liberty of examining that board when I was at home, and I discovered the only reason that it had been sitting on its perch in the first place was that it had been nailed their by the Moddies..

(pause)

Moddy: Well, o'course it was nailed there! If we hadn't nailed that board down, it would have nuzzled up to those bars, bent 'em apart with its messages and VOOM! Feeweeweewee! It would 'ave spread joy, laughter, anger, opinions, discussion and information all over the place!

Poster: "VOOM"?!? Mate, this board wouldn't "voom" if you put four million volts through it! 'It's bleedin' demised!

Moddy: No no! 'It's pining!

Poster: You can say that again... 'It's pinin' alright! 'It's passed on! This board is no more! It has ceased to be! It's expired and gone to meet it's designer! It's bereft of life, It rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed it to its perch, by writing on it yourselves, it'd be pushing up the daisies!'It's metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'It's off the twig! 'It's kicked the bucket, 'It's shuffled off it's mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!!

THIS IS AN EX-BOARD

(pause)

Moddy: Well, I'd better replace it, then.

(he takes a quick peek in the vaults)

Moddy: Sorry squire, I've had a look 'round the back of the vaults and uh, we're right out of boards!

Poster: I see. I see, I get the picture.

Moddy: Er....I got a slug...Any good?

_____________________________________________________________________




And yes....the 'person in question' is guilty as stated. I know...because I got his lying post removed from the BBC board.

Thank you very much

Lizzie :0)

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: GUEST,Blowzabella at work
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 11:58 AM

Lizzie - the comment Ralph made about recording a gig being illegal was in response to an anonymous Guest, saying that they had seen something on your myspace site, about your review of a Bob Fox gig, including a comment that you'd wished you'd been recording it but had forgotten your taperecorder. It pointed out that doing so wasn't considered the done thing at all.

That post was removed - presumably because it was anonymous guest - hence Ralph's reply (explaining that recodring gig's is not just 'not done' but is, in fact, illegal, is now out of context.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: GUEST,Ralph
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 03:42 PM

Is it just me??
Or does anyone else understand what she is talking about??
Ralph

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 03:51 PM

One thing about having potiates as pets - they're quite loud. So loud, in fact, that you can't hear the white noise constantly eminating from the South West...

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Blowzabella
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 04:07 PM

Hope you weren't talking about me - I'm north west

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 04:14 PM

Ummm...no.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 07:10 PM

Thank you for explaining Blowz... :0)

Oh right...but er...Show of Hands encourage EVERYONE to record their gigs...all the time....Not only that but they tell people it's perfectly OK to copy their CDs and share them around with others if they want to.

I'm afraid I'm an even worse person than you all already tell me I am then...because I DO record gigs. Without being able to hear people singing live I couldn't resurrect what I heard and saw, so exactly in my words.

I wished I HAD been able to record Bob's gig, because I'd have written far more than I did....As it was, the old kohl pencil on the serviette, gave up the ghost rather quickly (bit like the BBC board) ;0)...sorry..couldn't resist that one....chuckle!

Bob's on Britfolk as well this week folks...for anyone who's interested..

Any gig I record I can instantly 'see' in my head again. It's not just the songs and the words in between that it brings back, but every gesture and emotion too..not only of the performer, but of the crowd too and the appearance of the venue, lights, smells etc, where I saw it all happen. It just goes with the dyslexic kind of brain pattern that I have...that's all. Pictures...it's all about pictures...and the way the music brings those pictures out..

People have never believed me when I've kept on and on about that...but that's why I write, because I 'see' songs...I 'see' music...far more than I 'hear' it...It's instantly translated into pictures...and those pictures bring on a thousand others that spill out all over the place...

I've decided to copy all my posts from the BBC board, as I've a feeling nothing may be there shortly at all...of anybody's....and I never saved anything, just wrote it and posted it. I truly wish I could remove every single post I've ever put on there actually...take the whole darn lot away..

Rub it out...and pretend it never happened...That way, you'd all be happy..the BBC would be happy...and I would be left with a mountain of words about a music that I love and that means so much to me..that I could take away to people who want to read them.

My words don't belong with the BBC anymore. They don't belong with Ralph or his pals....

But..they belong to me. And none of you will ever be able to take my words from me...or to take my memories or my enjoyment or my love of this music away, no matter how hard you all try...

Apparently, according to the BBC, in their email to me this evening...I've now been 'taunting' their mods and other posters! ????????? I suppose that's a slight improvement on being accused of threatening and harrassing them, like they said last time.
I'm hoping, in their next email, that they might actually say that I'm being incredibly reasonable after the way the BBC has behaved so appallingly towards me...

Ever the optimist me! :0)

Heck I've posted PURELY about folk music these past few days..and nowt else. I've asked them to send me these 'taunting' posts as fast as they can...but as always, I'll not hear a thing...They also threatened me with their Investigations Dept AGAIN....and AGAIN I pleaded with them to send them round....I have the kettle on for them all ready and waiting...

'Tis all VERY strange!

Still, hopefully, when they send me to The Tower, I'll be able to still listen to Folkwaves and Britfolk, whilst gathering like-minded spirits around me for The Music Rebellion, when we shall march upon Broadcasting House and Bring BACK The Music! :0) And I shall scratch my words about the beautiful music that Mick and Lester play, on the walls of my cell....so that all trapped souls who stay in that cell will know that somewhere out there, there is a music that is beautiful and that means something...and who knows..perhaps one day, they'll go looking for it....

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 06 Mar 07 - 07:14 PM

What we need is some REAL F*lk Songs...

My wife is wide, I cannot get o'er
Neither have I wings to fly
But first it bent and then it broke
So did my love prove false to me

I reached my finger into some soft bush
Thinking the fairest flower to find
But not so deep as the love I'm in
I know not if I sink or swim

I pricked my finger to the bone
And left the fairest flower behind
But love grows old and waxes cold
And fades away like the morning dew

or something like that...

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 03:04 AM

Shortly before he died, I was lucky enough to record Ivor Cutler for the Andy Kershaw programme.
Half way through the first half, having noticed something, he stopped mid-song and said.
"Hey you in the front row.....Are you recording me?.......(Long Pause)...............Don't."
I've also heard of a well known artist actually walking off stage, having noticed someone with a video camera.
So Lizzie, don't assume that all artists are that keen to be recorded.
Best to ask first.
People have asked me, and I've generally agreed, on the promise that it's purely for personal use.
For you, music is just a hobby, for others, it is a very precarious, and badly paid career.
So, in future. Just ask first.
Or, take the consequences.
Ralph

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Blowzabella
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 03:51 AM

A friend of mine had Ivor Cutler as her teacher ... it definitely shows!

The point is, Lizzie, as Ralph has tried to explain, some performers do not like to have their performances recorded and it is only polite to ask - and, if they say no, not to do it. If you do it without permission, it becomes illegal - it is a form of theft.

I know of one well-known solo performer, who was actually thinking of 'encrypting' his gigs - ie only singing one word in two!!! (It was a joke - but a pertinent one!)

Performers have been ripped off by unscrupulous people producing 'live' recordings and selling them - completely without the artist's knowledge.

Don't imagine for a minute you would do that, but that is why this practise is frowned on. Fine, if Show of Hands encourage it - but be aware that this attitude does not apply to everyone - would hate to see you get chucked out of a gig or have an artist refuse to continue their act because of not being aware of this.

Cheers
Blowz

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 05:00 AM

Well Ralph, no need to worry any more about your 'threatening' consequences is there.

There's no point in me writing anything about anyone anymore. Anything I write you'll destroy, in your own way, or get removed, or work hard to get me banned, by kicking up such a fuss.

So from now on, the folk world can sing to it's heart delight. Safe in the knowledge that I'll no longer write about the music that I love.

The words I have written you'll never take away from me, as I said above. But I'll write no more words, because I am sick to death of the petty, spiteful, narrow-minded, unwelcoming world that I have had the great misfortune to come across in the English Traditional world in particular.

It is beyond all reason why I have had to endure what I've had to endure, only all of you know that. Whether it's down to jealousy of artists who have 'made it' I know not..

But keep your world.

Keep it small

Keep it locked up

Keep it away from young people

Keep your rules

Keep your regulatoins

Keep your negativity

Keep your moaning

Keep your threats


I want no more part of it...ever.


I'll write only with one person from now on. And that person is someone who cares deeply about folk music, indeed about all types of music, far more than most of you could even begin to touch. That person has not an ounce of spite around them, only support and love and positivity. They have a spirit that is open and welcoming, not one that is bitter and twisted...


So...I shall leave you ALL to YOUR world.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Folkiedave
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 05:07 AM

Aww.........what a shame.

I shall miss Lizzie with her well-informed comments, her sharp wit, her deep understanding of what folk music is all about and her great enthusiasm for that which others discovered before her. And her ability to write what she wants even though it ignores what others have written.

At least some people can get on with their lives without worrying about her. They know who they are.

Good luck to Sam in Canada (for it is he of whom she speaks) and good luck to her husband for it is not him of whom she speaks.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 05:35 AM

Lizzie.
I was only talking about Ivor Cutler.
And the do's and dont's regarding recording gigs?
Sorry if I upset you.
Ralph

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 06:15 AM

Hi Blowz.
Thanks for the support.
It really is a double edged sword re- recording gigs without permission.
Personally,(In Principal) I don't approve, but, without people bootlegging gigs, I couldn't have produced Nic Jones Unearthed.....
Mmmmm difficult one.
Any Thoughts peeps?
Regards Ralphie

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: GUEST,Bystander
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 06:16 AM

Lizzie -it doesn't look as though you've bothered to try and read the tone in Ralph's posting. He's actually being quite matter of fact, and helpful to you. Recording of concerts or performances OF ANY KIND (not just folk) is a NO NO for many reasons, the main one being of a copyright type nature .. this situation exists not just in the folk world but in any other. Quite a few of us would like to record concerts or gigs that we go to .. if you go to theatre concerts they normally tell you that recording isn't allowed... I also recall a Song Links concert at Sidmouth a few years ago where people in the front row were spotted to have recording gear _and_ cameras - both were banned and confiscated. I went to a rehearsal of a classical concert that I would have liked to record - just to say that I had been there- but was warned off because the orchestra would have downed tools if they became aware of it. Ralph was not "threatening consequences" - just pointing out the realities of the entertainment/performance world. In some circumstances you might even find legal action being taken against you. There CAN be severe consequences,and they are nothing to do with Ralph!

"There's no point in me writing anything about anyone anymore."
Nobody was saying anything about you writing stuff (on this occasion). The comments were purely about the fact that recording gigs without the artist's permission isn't on or legal.

"So from now on, the folk world can sing to it's heart delight."
Don't wish to sound harsh, but it did it for centuries before you found it, and will continue to do so.

"But I'll write no more words, because I am sick to death of the petty, spiteful, narrow-minded, unwelcoming world that I have had the great misfortune to come across in the English Traditional world in particular."

Your perceived world is one that you yourself have created by your own actions and principally, I hate to say it, words. In my own experience the folk world (and particularly the traditional world) is a very welcoming and open one, and I have made many friends through it, who have been happy to share their experiences and their music with me.

" Whether it's down to jealousy of artists who have 'made it' I know not.."
Jealousy of what, for goodness sake??? In reality the folk world is quite small - go to enough festivals and you'll see the same faces over and over again - you'll find that most of the artists know each other quite well, and have worked with each other over the years. They have no reason to be jealous of each other - in fact, if you cared to find out about it, you would discover that most regard each other as "family". Many of them actually have no desire to"make" it, as you put it - simply to carry on enjoying the music which they like to make, and sharing it with others.

"I want no more part of it...ever....I shall leave you ALL to YOUR world"
Sorry, but I think we've heard that before - more than once.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 06:43 AM

Hey Mr or Ms Bystander...(I know not which!)
May I shake your hand for a wonderful posting.
Your reasoning about Live recordings was totally accurate.
Also, your thoughts re the intimacy of the UK Folk scene was also spot on.
It really is a family (and, normally a very badly paid one).
I will refer you to the the (sadly unavailable) recording by John Kirkpatrick..."What do You do in the Day?"
At last Sundays rehearsal with my latest band, we tried to work out the costs.
Petrol.....1350 miles. (divided by 6)
Hall Rent £95
Income....£0
I feel that the aforementioned Ms Route, should wake up and smell the reality of what it is REALLY like to try and make a living at music in this day and age.
Apart from a few, I would guess that most artists exist below the minimum wage, and on the charity of organisers.
Twas ever thus.
Regards and thanks Ralphie

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 07:09 AM

Perceptive Bystander, I have litle to add. I've spent the morning talking, separately, to two sadly underestimated and criminally underpaid performers who have now vanished to do all the stuff Mrs Route fails to take into consideration.

Possibly she imagines her beloved dishevelled duo simply wake up at 5 p.m. and think 'Oh right, we have a gig'. Stroll along and go on at 8, pack up at 11 (of course, someone else does this, like the vast unpaid road crew provided by the venue?) and go home to bed at around 11.30.

Well, wrong. Even they rehearse sometimes and it must take a good half hour to write a rant. Haven't they spent the past 25 years driving around the rocky shores of England? And good for them if they can afford to laugh off being bootlegged. Most can't and anyway, it's only common politeness to ask before recording (viz Ivor Cutler, above).

But no, with Mrs Route it's all 'me, me, me'. Which is absolutely NOT what the folk family is about, in (most of) my experience.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Scrump
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 07:15 AM

C

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Bee
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 07:21 AM

If you recorded performing musicians here (Nova Scotia) without asking permission, you'd be severely chastised at the very least. I wouldn't even record my friends in my living room without asking if they minded.

There is nothing to prevent you taking notes regarding your impressions of the music and 'filling in' afterwards. If your intent is to record the lyrics and tunes in order to write them down and possibly publish them, or parts of them, you are indeed infringing on the musicians and songwriters' rights to their own work.

And frankly, as a non-British folkie with little clue of BBC goings-on, I fail to see the tragedy in being booted from a message board: happens to people all the time, there are plenty other boards to move to. You seem to have moved to this one just to complain about another one.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 07:32 AM

Bee
Hello from London Town....
Well said!!
Regards Ralphie

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Scrump
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 07:49 AM

Lizzie, don't let these petty, spiteful, narrow-minded, unwelcoming swine drive you away. Come back, we need you!

(That "C" was Latin for "100", by the way :-))

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 08:02 AM

Come back, we need you!

For what?
It stopped being light relief and became a dangerous menace long ago.
Anyway, Mrs Route can't hear you.
She's off to Never-Never Canadaland with the invisible Sam.
Maybe she'll get put in jail for bootlegging . . .

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 10:38 AM

Thank you Scrump xx   Take cover though...I'm about to explode!

If of nervous disposition, don't read this folks, because this has been a long time coming!

>>>Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: GUEST,Ralphie - PM
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 05:35 AM

Lizzie.
I was only talking about Ivor Cutler.
And the do's and dont's regarding recording gigs?
Sorry if I upset you.
Ralph <<<<


You B***** Hypocrite Ralph Jordan! How can you dare write that after what you said about me in the Show of Hands thread the other day...and what you have been doing for so long?

I do NOT accept your apology!

And you know why?

Well, I'll tell you why!!

GEEZ I AM SO FLAMING ANGRY WITH YOU!!!!

First of all, for the last year you have done nothing BUT attack me on the BBC board or over here. FACT!

Secondly, you have not only attacked me, but you have, at times, risked putting my family in danger by putting my real surname on the BBC board, over and over and over!

You did that WITHOUT MY PERMISSION! It broke BBC rules. There was no excuse for it in any way whatsoever!! AND...You did THAT in the full knowledge that it would, and was, upsetting me AND you did it repeatedly!

It ONLY stopped because I told the BBC I'd sue their backsides off...and yours too, if the harrassment and abuse that was coming from you, Diane and Joan was not stopped! They then put you in pre-mod, and Joan too and banned Diane I believe.

So don't you DARE go round being holier than thou about asking 'permission' from people, when you seek NO permission before dragging someone's family through SHIT on a messageboard Ralph!!!!

Thirdly...WHY do I record gigs and write about them, or at least USED to write about them? Come on Ralph...you tell me!!! You, Diane and Joan, apparently know me BETTER than I know myself...You KNOW all the reasons I do things, don't you? Don't YOU Ralph???????

Well, I'll tell you why I do/did it...

I did it for the artists and for the music! I did NOT do it for me!!!

GEEZ! GEEZ! GEEZ!

I did it because I am SICK of the way such talented musicians are ignored and because of the way so many young people know NOTHING of the folk world, mainly because the (imo) bloody controlling, Orwellian BBC won't let the folk world or our powerful singer/songwriters OUT!!!!

I did it because I KNOW that people read what I write! I don't care how you interpret that...I truly don't....but I know it's true, and that by getting people to read about the folk world I was, in my own tiny way, contributing to spreading the word.

Oh...and HERE is a thread I started about musicians not being paid enough....way back on the BBC...so go spit your venomous words about how I feel about that somewhere ELSE!

MUSICIANS MONEY AND GUILT

And YOU, more than anyone, Ralph, know that my words DO/DID get people to go out and buy CDs or music by certain artists...because even though it now appears to drive you bats, a while back I discovered YOUR music and I wrote about it...and suddenly people were coming on the R2 board asking where they could find 'Flat Earth'

Do you remember THAT Ralph????

I'm sorry...I can't hear you! You'll have to scream louder!!!

Look...here's the thread!


PATTERSON JORDAN DIPPER GOLD

Sadly, my CD of Flat Earth went to Oxfam a long time ago, because when you started attacking me, I couldn't bear to have your music in the house. I have to respect the musicians whose music I love...My respect for you went down the Swannee overnight with the way you behaved...and continue to behave...

"Sorry if I upset you" ???????    PAH!!!! Yet ANOTHER slice of Hypocrite Pie is called for!


And as for 'family' HAH!!!!

Do me a favour!!!

Some parts of the folk world ARE like a family aren't they? One of the most foul, unpleasant, vitriolic, unwelcoming, negative, unsupportive, jealous, bitter, insensitive, bullying, small-minded and DEEPLY ABUSIVE families that I have EVER come across!


AND...also for your information....I've been sent many a CD by musicians! One of whom was the very same person who told a complete lie about me on the BBC board very recently, directing people over here to see some vicious posts that had been started up about me...?????? He also helps out with Oxford Festival I believe. This is despite me being supportive of his music way, way back, when he sent it to me, via Mel even though I had never asked for it....Well..well...well....

Yet another slice of hypocrite pie perhaps?

'Use her when you need to, verbally abuse her when you want to'...HAH!

Let's be honest, most of this hatred that has rained down upon me for years is because I DARED to say I liked Show of Hands and then wouldn't damn well go away! I was attacked the very first time I ever wrote about them...and it never ever stopped. GEEZ! HOW some of you people HATE Show of Hands! Steve Knightley in particular it seems to me...You'll stop at nothing, NOTHING to try and bring them into disrepute or to belittle them etc..etc...And it drives you all WILD with FURY that Show of Hands rise above every single bit of it....and their fanbase just gets bigger and bigger and bigger and more and more people are being brought into 'your world'

To begin with, on the BBC, I was treated as 'a bit of a joke' as David said once on the board...You all had fun kicking me gently around between you, like a football in the park, humouring yourselves, whilst idling away the hours for months..You Ralph, I believe, were not in all of this nastiness at the time. Others were though, they know well who they are. It had been hoped that I'd get fed up and go away...I didn't. Not only did I not go, but I learnt to stand up to many of the creeps who were doing this to me. And...I learnt to sling their arrows back at them..

The BBC could and should have intervened right at the start, but hey...I think they were quite enjoying it too...besides, I picked up on Mike Harding's show, so I became Smooth Ops 'darling' for a short while.

And during all of this, I was falling in love with such beautiful music...and finding more and more talent, and becoming more and more enraged that they were not supported by the BBC..so I started writing about them too.

But then, Fiona 'lost it'...and she started her 'Troll Campaign' being (imo) incredibly nasty. She'd recently suffered a beareavement, that's what she came over to Longdogs that time to tell me about, whilst demeaning me in front of the other Longdogs saying how dreadful I was to old people, because I'd dared to order Ian Anderson a brightly coloured mobility scooter, in one of my Sidmouth stories (it was a joke)...when Ian had said he couldn't come to Siddy 2005. Ian, apparently found this very funny. Fiona however, went into meltdown over it..

Because she was grieving, or so I thought, I held right back. I watched her put terrible things about me on that board...but I held back! I wrote to Mel about it...but nothing happened. Fiona continued, at times putting terrible lies on about me. If I dared to come back to her about them, Mel, the BBC host at the time, told me I was over-reacting! Over-reacting?????!!!!!

It went on for years, despite me asking her on the board to stop, only recently ending, just before I was banned, and ONLY ending because Diane and I, together, gave her just a tiny dose of her own medicine and she suddenly realised how awful it felt. She never apologised for what she'd done though, the way she upset that board, created havoc, misery and distrust, or for what she did in Longdogs either, which resulted in me leaving them...But hey ho...such is the way with some folk.

And Ralph, if you remember, Fiona finally opened her eyes very recently when instead of using your unpleasant messages about me, against me, as she had been doing over and over, she turned around and told you off for it, saying that this 'ganging up' was deeply unpleasant. Well well well...

But you took no notice, did you? Nope!

You changed I think, over two incidences...The first was when I dared to suggest that friends of Nic Jones came together to record his songs, with the proceeds going to Nic. It was merely a thought that came into my head and within seconds it was on the board. It was not about me in any way at all. But about Nic. That idea was taken up by Radio Britfolk I believe, I've no idea if it's still going on...I hope it is.

The other one, was when Diane and I were having our usual banter about 'the tradition' and I wrote a piece about The New Tradition Cafe, which opened up just next door to Cecil Sharp House, can't remember which thread it was on I'm afraid. In the New Tradition Cafe, all were welcome, they had John Tams words written above the door from his song 'Safe House' (and yes Diane I know they are from The Lakes of Ponchartrain'...those words were...

"Come in, lie easy and lay down your weary brow. You're welcome here kind stranger you're in a safe house now"

In there I had many people from the folk world...ALL singing and playing together on the stage...all welcoming, all warm...Trouble was I put Patterson Jordan Dipper on the same stage as Show of Hands didn't I Ralph?

And you went a bit odd...And you've not got off my back since...

Yes I know that I'm a truly wicked person for liking your music AND Show of Hands too..and for daring to put you on the same stage with them....but that is me I'm afraid..

Some parts of the folk world are good, strong, caring, warm, inclusive and loving! I've found my way into that family....They are a million miles away from the other one, that lurks in places like here. They do not condemn, nor do they exclude, they do not try and drive people into the pits of despair with their vicious words...no...they are very different...Thank God!

At Sidmouth, in 2005 the Ham Marquee was buzzing...despite the efforts of so many people on here, and on the BBC board, to thwack Sidmouth into oblivion. The lack of support from those who should have known better, was astonishing..they know who they are. The BBC is right at the top of the list...and still is. They have behaved appallingly over Sidmouth. But outside the Ham 'real life' was taking place, with young kids knifing each other, some may remember. I was stopped whilst waiting in the queue for the ladies loos, by a young girl, only about 15, already with a baby on her hip, asking for tissues, for her boyfriend who'd been cut. The blade had just missed his jugular vein, but he was left with damaged nerves which will never heal. They are the people I wanted 'brought inside the marquee'....the kids who drink themselves senseless each night, the ones who no-one cares about, the ones who listen to mindless music, who don't know how to think or feel or be....but who just exist. We have so many many thousands of them around right now...

I tried so hard, SO HARD to get people to join me, by writing about them on the board, about social issues, about George's 'Anytown' but no-one cared..no-one supported...I was just told to 'shut up' wasn't I Ralph? If I dared to talk about strong songs and where they took me or criticise the precious BBC...it was "Shut Up Lizzie!"...Well now...you've shut me up! The kids are still out there, drinking, knifing, sexing, (not loving) abusing, being abused...George's song is still not being played...neither are anyone else's. 'Roots' didn't win an award...

But hey..why should we bother eh?

Nope...the BBC board is for nothing other than selfish people who want to use it to abuse, to control, to silence and suppress...It is those VERY people who have contributed to the way our society now is, by their appalling and imo, disturbing apathy, by their refusal to acknowledge that we are in deep shit in this country and the Western World in general! UNICEF have acknowledged it mind! The UK is the worst place to bring up a child now....in...the...world!!!! UNICEF have said that our children are under more pressure from alcohol, from sex, from drugs, from abuse and from families who don't give a damn, than anywhere else on the planet....

Take a listen to Dan Britton and The Return of Crazy Horse and WEEP!

DAN BRITTON

"We need leaders, not self-serving fools
Hanging out with rock stars to make them look cool
They're dealers, just shadows of men
Bringing down bad karma, again and again

"We need leaders, people to trust
Someone to look to, who cares about us
We need healers, the Medicine Men
It's too late for if, it's got to be when

Lily-livered goons, red-necked baffoons
Masquerading as leaders of men
They'll be swept aside, nowhere left to hide
When Crazy Horse rides again....."

(Taken from When Crazy Horse Rides Again by Dan Britton)


"Shut UP LIZZIE!!!!"

Well....now I have......Now The BBC board will never again be filled with outrage or rantings, or passion....It'll just trip along lightly, and oh so sweetly, talking about Fave This's and Fave That's and Cambridge, Cambridge, Cambridge....

Bugger our singer/songwriters! Bugger powerful, profound words that could do so very much, if ONLY they were let out!!!!!

No...use the board for 'Film Titles with a Folk Twist' or 'Cover Versions' or 'What are you listening to?'....because hey THAT is what truly matters in life isn't it! ISN'T IT???????

And...it's safe and cosy and comfy and warm...and you SO don't have to think about silly old UNICEF or God Forbid OUR CHILDREN GOD! Aren't our children just THE most annoying creatures! Bung' em another bottle of alchopops, that'll keep 'em quiet....Nooooo...far better to discuss the intricacies of a banjo string on the BBC board....

Now, NEVER AGAIN will I EVER be able to tell people about SUPERB SONGWRITERS who CARE PASSIONATELY about what is happening...because of a tiny minority of selfish, cowardly, hooded creeps who don't give a Flying Duck for anything or anyone but themselves and their own tiny, narrowed LITTLE worlds!!!!

So...CONGRATULATIONS...You've SHUT ME UP!   

I'm off the BBC for ever now. You and your friends have seen to that good and proper. I hope you enjoy your hollow victory. The BBC have now threatened to tell my internet provider about me. (?????)
Oh really?????....whilst of course, totally refusing to answer ANY of my questions, or to carry out the investigation I keep asking them for, or talk to me in any way again.

So..that's pleasant, fair and totally above board isn't it!

All that has been behind this whole 'campaign' and believe you me it HAS been a 'campaign' is your own selfish and hateful agendas of 'Burn The Witch'

Well...The Witch is finally going....I no longer will ever write on the BBC or on here or anywhere else, other than my Myspace page and one other place.

I hope none of you ever...EVER have to endure what I've had to, from such vicious words spoken by vicious people...but perhaps..if ever you do...think back...and remember...


There's my reply to your apology Ralph.

If an apology is TRULY meant, then I accept it....If however, it is written in false ink...then I will discard it.

You have a great deal, imo, to apologise for. I have nothing to apologise to you for. I have been nothing but supportive of your music and your band Ralph. I have held back, over and over, when you have deeply insulted and hurt me time after time. I complied with your wishes to never mention your name again, even though those wishes were written to me in a rude manner, I even took your name out of your band recently, but that made you throw another wobbly...

Well...you don't have to wobble any more. You've not got the BBC board ENTIRELY to yourselves...so I suggest you bugger over there and use it....

Hey you could start a thread for me...call it "10 Best Ways To Fiddle Whilst Our Children Burn?"

Have fun.


Lizzie

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 11:00 AM

lizziecornish (or whatever you're calling herself today), can we really believe you are gone for good?
I know you're totally incapable of understanding the damage and hurt you have caused many musicians, including your own precious dishevelled duo.
Just hear this: you have.
Especially to Ralph and his band.
So do the world a favour, shut up and fuck off.
Please.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Scrump
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 11:19 AM

Come back, we need you!

For what?

Well, it wouldn't be the same without her, would it?

Welcome back Lizzie!

So do the world a favour, shut up and fuck off.

"Language, Timothy!" :-)

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 11:25 AM

Oh Dear.
R xxx

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Folkiedave
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 02:06 PM

Oh dear,

Dave

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: GUEST,Chris Murray
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 02:14 PM

Lizzie, I think you see yourself as a campaigner, a misunderstood, persecuted, almost Messianic fugure. You can't seem to get this idea out of your head, so you believe that everyone is persecuting you. If you would only listen to what people are trying to say instead of accusing us all of being bullies and Moaning Minnies, it might be possible to have a reasonable exchange of views with you. But anyone who disagrees with you is, you believe, bullying you so we get nowhere. If only you could step back and think about your own behaviour.

Lizzie, it isn't just coincidence that so many people who enjoyed your contributions have now turned against you. I was one of those people who bought the PJD CD because you raved about it. We joked about it at the time. Can't you think about your own behaviour? You weren't expelled from the BBC board because of your views - you were suspended because of your obsessive and quite frightening behaviour.

I don't think anyone on this board, or the BBC board, dislikes SOH. We AREN'T glad that 'Roots' didn't win the award for best original songs (I wanted 'Steelos' to win but I like 'Daisy' - another political song - have you listened to an interview with Karine Polwart?) - it just didn't win on the day. There is no doubt that SOH feel very deeply about social issues, just as you do, just as we all do. Mostly I'm indifferent to their music but that doesn't make me a bad person.

I post under my own name on both boards yet I never feel that my family is in danger. Never occurred to me! I don't, however, write about my family's concerns/education/dyslexia on the boards because I respect their privacy. You can't use the boards for publicity and then complain that you're being harrassed.

I'm not following you about the boards - I've been posting on here for years. I would like to say that it's not a good idea to carry out an illicit relationship on the Internet. It's quite easy for people to find out what you're up to.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Partridge
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 02:16 PM

Oh heck

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 02:18 PM

But I'll write no more words,

From MS Word wordcount...

Pages 7
Words 2,775
Characters (no spaces) 12,824
Characters (with spaces) 15,710
Paragraphs 1
Lines 325

No comment.

Dave

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: GUEST,Chris Murray
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 02:20 PM

PS When are you going to do the 'Peter, Gloria and Charlie' page on the 'Sam and Lizzie' pages? I want to know who they are!

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: GUEST,It'sOkayWe'reAllOverThereWithHer,IncludingSt
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 02:55 PM

Lizzie
Please try not to be so uptight.
You seem to have far too much time on your hands...
You could always get a potiate.
I have a lovely one called Sid, he's just two, eats carrot shavings.
I'll send him 'round.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 03:21 PM

POTIATE TAGINE
(Moroccan Carrot Stew)

3 lb potiate (boned)
2 lb carrots, diced
3 finely chopped onions
1 tablespoonful olive oil
4 oz parsley
1 teaspoon cinnamon
Pinch saffron
1 teaspoon black pepper
lemon juice


Heat oil and add everything except carrots and lemon juice,
Cook on high heat for 10 minutes stirring frequently.
Pour in 1 pint of hot water.
Cover and simmer over low heat for 1 hour.
Add diced carrots and remove lid.
Cook for another 15 minutes.
Smin off fat, correct seasoning and just before serving, add lemon juice,

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 03:29 PM

ERRATUM

SKIM off fat . . .

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 03:31 PM

From Chris...

>>>You weren't expelled from the BBC board because of your views - you were suspended because of your obsessive and quite frightening behaviour.<<<

BLOODY FUMING WARNING!!!!


Right!! This has been a long time coming as well!

Have I ever insulted you in such a way as you have over and over in your post Chris? EVER??????

Nope!


Well....Stand by!!!

Chris, I have kept my mouth shut over you for a very long time! You seem to think that you have a right to go round saying whatever you so choose about me, but I'm not supposed to respond. WRONG!!

Occasionally, very occasionally you have said that you like my enthusiasm, but you also say some damned rude things about me over the years. And some of the above highlights that!

It worries me that you're a teacher, to be honest.

Firstly...because you so often seem to miss what's going on and cannot seem to see the wood for the trees!

Secondly, it also seems that you do not appear to much like children, as was witnessed in the Myspace thread, when you complained about parents who DARED to take their kids out of school to take them on holiday. I held back there, I have held back often! I also held back when you were damned rude to me over the Sidmouth threads over here.

Thirdly, perhaps...as a teacher....you should have stood up with me and screamed blue murder about how Diane treated people who made spelling mistakes, belittling them at every turn for YEARS! As a teacher, I would expect, but very much doubt, that you would know ALL about dyslexia. That includes the deep distress and damage that is caused to people who have dyslexia, from abusive and ignorant people such as Diane, who refuse to even recognise it exists! It DOES! It runs right through my family for a start...AND...you will find that MANY MUSICIANS also have dyslexia, that is why I started a thread all about it on the BBC board and why I continued to tell Diane to stop, over her abusive comments to people who sometimes struggle with writing!

Mel, the BBC host, asked me to stop going on at Diane about this. I told Mel to look into dyslexia, realise it was real and associated with musicians, dancers, athletes, artists etc...all the creative people...and then ask Diane to stop doing it! I was not abusing people, she was and therefore she should have stopped doing it.

It is obviously a passion of mine, because I am surrounded by the damage caused from ignorance and closed minds. I am also on that dyslexia circle myself. At seven years old my son was already being humiliated by his TEACHER over his dyslexia! He, being home-educated, is now spared any other ignorant and thoughtless attitudes, he never thinks of himself as 'dyslexic' he is just him...and very happy.

I talked about my children, under the name I choose, which PROTECTED them...because what had happened and is still happening to them and around them is hugely important and connected to what is going on around so very many young people at present! Seek out the UNICEF report for yourself, if you are interested enough!!!!!

As always you have entirely missed the point! Ralph Jordan had no right or reason to put my real name on that board. He did it purely out of spite and to cause trouble and upset. That may be on in your book Chris...it is NOT on in mine! You CHOOSE to put your real name down...that is YOUR CHOICE!

Again, being a teacher, I do not expect you to recognise or understand bullying when you fall over it!

I have two children who were bullied rotten and were surrounded by teachers who'd not a clue what was going on under their noses, or how to handle it...whilst being surrounded by posters on their walls that screamed out their Anti-Bullying Policies! HAH!!!!

I am a Home Educator...deadly enemy to teachers! Many teachers are also folkies...many folkies are also teachers...hmmmmm...no connection there with how many enemies I have on the boards I'm sure! ;0)

Many teachers become teachers, in my opinion, purely for the holidays.   It's a good way to fit in the folk festivals after all....but those bloody kids keep getting in the way don't they! Bloody, bloody kids!

I am not mad, or obsessive!

In fact, if you met me you'd probably be quite surprised...

BUT I am passionate about the way our society is breaking down...and I know it needs to be changed....FAST! AND I KNOW that music can play a HUGE part in doing that! I've seen kids falling to pieces from stress of exams...My daughter, as I've said before, already had two school colleagues who'd committed suicide by the time they were 17. TWO! One in Sidmouth, one in Tavistock. Our children and young people are in a state of emergency! UNICEF recognise that WE do not!

As a teacher, I'd have great respect for you if you stood up and said that you were no longer going to put intense pressure on children for exams, that you were going to all abandon SATS tests, the hours of senseless endless homework, the rules, the regulations, the uniforms, the talking down, the almost 'active dislike' that some teachers have of children...and all the other rubbish and abuse that is hurled at our kids. As teachers...you CAN do this....but for some unknown reason....none of you will! And so our kids keep on turning off and getting ill...but why worry...you can still get your holidays and go to your folk festivals!

What a great shame that you chose to whinge and whimper about me, rather than romp in and stand up for Sidmouth and tell the Moaning Minnies where to stick their venomous posts, but oh no...you decided to join their ranks, by going over to the BBC board and saying how appalling my posts were...and tell me Chris...what of the twice as appalling things that were being said to me???? Strange...You didn't mention that did you?

I have had to endure countless posts from you...about me. I kept quiet on the BBC because, hell...yet another person to freak out over..and there were so many!

Just because you are a teacher does NOT give you the right to talk to me in the insolent way you so often do! I have NEVER been personal about you, until this moment! You may talk to children in that manner, but you sure as hell don't get to talk to me like that, not without me answering you back...and I can do that over here...

My private life has NOTHING to do with you...ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! As in ZILCH! ZERO! So..don't dare to talk to me in such a bloody rude manner as you have above! I would NEVER put that on any messageboard about you EVER...no matter what I had heard, or read, or seen..

I suggest you take several GCSE's in politeness, good manners, sensitivity and how NOT to be a Moaning Minnie!

Ralph Jordan had no right whatsoever to put my name on that board or to say what he did about me or my family. I have NO RESPECT for you for not being able to see that....but as I said earlier...I can understand it, with you being a teacher and all!

Hurts doesn't it Chris! It's unpleasant when people finally turn around and give you a dose of your own medicine!

I have the GREATEST respect for NATURAL teachers, who care deeply and passionately about our children. Who do NOT see kids as pests and bloody nuisances, who talk to them as people in a compassionate, helpful and understanding way....and who have the guts to stand up to this madly controlling Government and say ENOUGH!!

The rest of the education system can go fly as far as I'm concerned and should be taken to court for the damage they're doing to our nation's children!

And I have never said or inferred that people who do not like Show of Hands are 'bad people' for Gawd's Sake! They can like or dislike them or anyone else to their hearts content. I do take umbridge at the way some folk on messageboards think they can say incredibly insulting things about musicians though. SURELY Chris...even you MUST have noticed that something OTT was happening during The Battle Of Show of Hands, on the BBC board, the old one. It made it into Folk On Tap for heaven's sake, who were as digusted as I was at what the BBC allowed to be said about Show of Hands...

Show of Hands and many, many other musicians and songwriters are now writing incredibly powerful songs about what is happening around us! As a teacher YOU are right in the middle of it...you see it every single working day of your life!!!

And 'Roots' should have won in the Folk Awards...Pure and Simple..they should have won...in my opinion.

So...I'd suggest that instead of writing one or two lines about something of no importance whatsoever on the BBC board, as you so often do, you take the time and use the opportunity you have to start off discussions about what you know is happening to our young people. Then start standing UP and asking the BBC to start playing some of the amazing songs that you know will change some people's views and turn around the apathy! If you don't do it...no one else is going to! I certainly now no longer can....because of what The Moaning Minnies have dictacted on that board...

Then I'd suggest you read the entire Radio 2 board all over again, for your homework, take an 'A' Level in it, study it at Uni...do an NVQ in it as well and then...find a new career with Moaning Minnies R Us!

You have the CV for it!!

And I am sorry to be rude...but believe you me Chris...you asked for it!

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 03:43 PM

Blimey!

Me, Ruth, Ralph and now the inoffensive Chris Murray.
Welcome to the club, Chris.
And this even after LC's been told to get a potiate and even how to cook it.
And she STILL doesn't know the difference between 'infer' and 'imply'.
That's not dyslexic, it's just ignorant misuse of language.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: GUEST,Ralph Jordan
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 03:57 PM

Hi Chris.
Sigh...!
At last a reasoned and sensible message.
And no. this will not become a negative diatribe re Lizzie.
In fact, I'm getting a bit worried for her welfare.
Don't kick a dog when she's down.
I will not be interested in her personal life.
I don't really care what she thinks about me or my music.
But, any mentions of Nic Jones from her, and the Rottwhiler in me will rise up.
PJD.....do your worst, just don't care.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 04:04 PM

This is Mudcat and not the BBC board, I suggest that this is not the place to complain about the goings on on another site.
Nor is it a place to air personal grievances regarding other posters.
Can I suggest that we ALL, give it a rest?
PLEASE!

G.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: GUEST,Is she STILL over there?
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 04:04 PM

"It's quite easy for people to find out what you're up to."

Specially if you spam every folk messageboard with links to a website dedicated to that illicit relationship.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: GUEST,Lordy Lordy
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 04:07 PM

"Welcome to the club, Chris."

Don't forget poor old Pete Standing. Apparently he's the devil incarnate, too.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 04:13 PM

FIVE SPICE RED BRAISED DOG

1 dog
400 ml dark soy sauce
150 ml light soy sauce
2 tablespoons 5-spice powder
150 ml rice wine
50g sugar

Garnish

2 tablespoons chopped spring onions
1 tablespoon ginger, chopped

Blanch dog in large pot of boiling water.
Combine ingredients and bring to boil
Turn down heat and add dog
Cover pot and braise for 2 hours
Remove dog, let it cool and chop into bite-size pieces.
Sprinkle garnish and serve.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 04:15 PM


Don't forget poor old Pete Standing. Apparently he's the devil incarnate, too.

Well, he is, isn't he?

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 04:26 PM

For the avoidance of any doubt, I should point out that the above post was a joke.
I just don't DO smileys.
Sorry, Pete.
.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 04:45 PM

From Giok>>>Nor is it a place to air personal grievances regarding other posters.

Well said MacKenzie! Now perhaps you'll stop following me round doing JUST THAT, as you did in the Music Petition thread and as you do in so many others!


From Ralph: >>>I will not be interested in her personal life.

But, any mentions of Nic Jones from her, and the Rottwhiler in me will rise up.
<<<


You've already put masses of highly insulting things about my life on the BBC board Ralph, dragged my family through the mud, lied and been deeply personal....all those posts I had to ask to be removed because the BBC were going to leave them on there!

I have only ever said good things about Nic Jones, as well you know...so do NOT make out that I have ever done or would ever do anything else.

More Hypocrite Pie Ralph...MacKenzie? I'm just off to bake some more...we seem to be running out rather fast...

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: curmudgeon
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 04:53 PM

Will someone kindly explain, for the benefit of a confused and bemused Yank, what this is al ab about? I came to this thread via the SoH thread which purported to have recipes and am totally bewildered as to the animosity expressed over what seems to be pointlessness. I've known Giok for a few years now, and so lean toward his side, but please, how about a scorecard so I can know the players - Tom

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 05:02 PM

But I'll write no more words,

From MS Word wordcount...

Pages 7
Words 2,775
Characters (no spaces) 12,824
Characters (with spaces) 15,710
Paragraphs 1
Lines 325

and then...

Pages 4
Words 1,669
Characters (no spaces) 7,587
Characters (with spaces) 9,307
Paragraphs 1
Lines 175

and we haven't finished there but I can't be bothered to word count the last post.

So, no more words = 2775 + 1,669 + oh, lets say 150? Around 4,600 'no more words'.

I will comment this time. I have helped you in the past Lizzie, even if you do not appreciate it. I will try to help again. When you are in a hole, and believe me when I say you are, just stop digging.

Cheers

Dave

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 05:18 PM

BIBLE CAKE

Half pound Judges 5 v25
(She brought forth butter in a lordly dish)

Half pound Jeremiah 6 v 20
(To what purpose cometh there to me incense from Sheba, and the sweet cane from a far counry)

1 tablespoon 1 Samuel v 25
And all they of the land came to a wood, and there was honey on the ground)

3 of Jeremiah 17 v 11
(As the partridge sitteth on eggs abd hatcheth them not, so he that getteth riches and not by right shall leave them in the midst of his days)

Half pound 1 Samuel v 12)
(And they gave him a piece of a cake of figs and two clusters of raisins)

Half pound Nahum 3 v 12
(All thy strongholds shall be like fig trees with the first ripe figs)

2 oz Numbers 17 v 8
(Behold the rod of Aaron brough forth buds and bloomed blossoms and yielded almonds)

1 lb Kings 4 v 22
(Solomon's provision for one day was 30 measures of flour)

Season to taste with II Chronicles v 9
(neither was there such spice as the Queen of Sheba gave Solomon)

A pinch of Leviticus 2 v 13
(with all thine offerings thou shalt offer salt)

1 level teaspoon Amos 4 v 5
(offer a sacrifice of thanksgiving with leaven)

3 tablespoons Judges 4 v 19
(she opened a bottle of milk and gave him milk . . . then Jael Heber's wife took a nail of the tent and took a hammer in her hand and smote the nail onto his temples and fastened it to the ground for he was fast asleep and weary. So he died.


I'm losing the will to live here. Was hoping to get to the bit in Exodus about BEARING FALSE WITNESS especially for Mrs Route, but do you know, I really can't be arsed. Just take my word for it, peeps, she's telling whoppers. But you knew that, didn't you?

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Bee
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 05:23 PM

Curmudgeon, I'm right with you. It's like a traffic accident: you know you shouldn't look, but you can't help yourself. I've never looked at the "BBC boards", as they're not terribly relevant to my Canadian folk experience, whereas Mudcat is. It reminds me of the time an irate lady knocked on my door, stepped into my house, and began berating me regarding some completely incomprehensible incident. Turns out she was at the wrong house.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 05:30 PM

Sorry folks across the pond, if you try and look at it as being like a playground squabble at an infant school, where lots of the other kids gang up on the unpopular show-off kid, you will have the whole situation in a nutshell.
Giok

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 05:49 PM

Not quite the kindergarten show-off kid but an allegedly grown woman with a hobby of wrecking artists' careers with embarrassing, sycophantic, spamming claptrap.
And haranguing everyone else on how to conduct their lives along the way.
Ganging up? No, more of a rearguard firefighting backlash to rescue musicians' livelihoods.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 05:55 PM

Sorry Chaps.
Haven't got anything left to throw out of my pram.
R xx

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: GUEST,Appalled
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 06:03 PM

Bloody big pram I would have thought Ralphie! x

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: GUEST,Chris Murray
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 06:11 PM

I'm quite hurt. I thought I was being the voice of reason! I didn't mean to offend you, Lizzie. You just seem to have twisted everything that I said.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: GUEST,Appalled
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 06:11 PM

Countess - you forgot to mention the incredible and very real emotional hurt that her unconsidered and ill-thought out postings and rants have caused more than one person on this and other boards - often to fairly innocuous and innocent bystanders who have done little more than ask her to desist, or dare to disagree or react in eventual exasperation in a normal democratic manner to some of her many off the wall statements.

As to ganging up and accusations of groups of pals ... before she started having a go at various individuals I don't think any of them actually knew each other - in fact to this day most of them don't know who other so-called Moaning Minnies are.. all they have in common is the bullying and hectoring that they have been subjected to over the last couple of years - all traits which she has used in spades, and constantly accuses everyone else of employing.

Re her quoted comments re the BBC moderators .... in this case, definitely no smoke without fire

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 06:19 PM

I didn't forget.
But I'm not going to start naming those she's forgotten to have a go at yet.
You think I'm stupid, or what?
I'm into damage limitation.
(And picking up rattles).

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 06:20 PM

He's had a lot of toys to throw out, so yes...his pram is huge!


Bee, be very glad you live in Canada...the folk police haven't reached there yet! But if they do...you have a really simply solution...Just stick them out in your back garden in mid-winter and watch them turn into statues.....then put them in your freezer throughout spring, summer and autumn...until the winter comes around again...Great garden decorations!

And MacKenzie....this is far more about one person who REFUSES to be dictated to by the Schoolyard Bullies actually!! I have never been 'one of the crowd' and I sure as hell don't ever intend to.

You run with the wilderbeests and the lemmings by all means.

I'll continue to fly as a solitary eagle.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 06:26 PM

>>I didn't mean to offend you, Lizzie.

You did! And....you often have...I just kept my mouth shut.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: GUEST,Chris Murray
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 06:26 PM

You know that I'm a teacher but you don't know anything else at all about me. You don't know what I teach or where I teach or who I teach. You don't know whether or not I work with dyslexic pupils or what exam results I attain. I could be a Miss Trunchball or Miss Honey or Wackford Squeers or Mr Chips type of teacher. You don't know any of this because I choose not to plaster it all over message boards.

I don't know how to complain about a post on this board - I know that I didn't deserve that attack.

I've often said that I disapprove of Diane correcting mistakes. In the end I just let her get on with it!

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: GUEST,Canadienne
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 06:38 PM

Lizzie, there is another thread for consiracy theories. Just because people diagree with your feelings about some performers doesn't make them the insulting names you have continually called them nor does it mean that they are all "lemmings" etc whose sole purpose in life is to gang up on you. It just makes them other individuals who are pretty pissed off with being treated as though they are somehow inferior in their preferences.

You DO NOT have the monopoly on valued judgements please give others some respect for their own knowledge and choices and lay off the hectoring and whinging because it is "bullying" however many smilies you splatter all over the page.

You started this thread to gloat over another site, please don't spoil this one by turning people off here as well.

I have no axe to grind with you personally but I wish you would listen to some of the advice offered by impartial posters.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 07:12 PM

Chris - you're right. You didn't. Lizzie is clearly falling apart. You just got in the way of the shrapnel. Don't take it personally.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 07:22 PM

Impartial posters????????

Oh purleeeze!

Please read what I said about not caring a hoot if people like or dislike Show of Hands or anyone else. Even one of the Moaning Minnies has said that he understands that...However, you truly have had to have walked a mile in my moccasins to understand all of this! And you also need to understand about the way Show of Hands have been treated, please read previous posts about Folk on Tap etc...

I presume, as you know I use Smilies, that you also followed my posts on the BBC board. Hmmmmmmm..impartial??? Methinks your Moaning Minnie tattoo is showing.

The Moaning Minnies are not just the people who are almost at times, breathtakingly rude about musicians, whoever they may be, but they are the ones who continually have tried to get me to write in the way they dictate, to NOT use Smilies, to not be humourous, to be horrendously politically correct, to basically abide by 'their' rules.

I have no rules...please see the BBC 'Freedom and Dictators' thread for that one. I never tell them how to write, what to write about, when, how often, whether to Smiley or not to smiley...I couldn't give a Non-Flying Duck whether they started a thread once a year or 16 times a day....Nope!

But I will not be fenced in by control freaks! I was never personally rude about anyone's life or outlook, other than Diane and and a certain someone else, who I'll no longer drag in, whilst they were all continually rude to me....Well...now they've had a dose of their own medicine...


And perhaps they may stop and think, that it's bad enough when just one person is rude to you, isn't it Chris...but just imagine when you are the one person, surrounded by a gang of people who look upon Lizzie Bashing as almost a National Sport.

Sorry Chris....in my book, you deserved every word of what I said. If you can't take it back, then don't give it out! I've held back for years with some of your comments..yet I have never said anything unpleasant to you ever...

Oh...and the Miss Honey Teachers are a blessing and a deep rarity.

However, they should be cloned...because all children need Miss Honey's in their lives. Sadly, many of our kids get Miss Trunchbull, my kids included. In 10 years of schooling my daughter had ONE teacher who was truly wonderful! He had been a circus performer, he was a 'natural teacher'.....He held those children in the palm of his hand....he made learning magic you see...He sprinkled it all with stardust, whilst knowing exactly how to deal with all the children, even the troubled ones (note I did not use the word trouble'some' there)He liked children and they knew it and because they felt appreciated and liked, they responded so well to him.....Mr. Meek was only at the school for 9 months, before the control freak of a headmaster got rid of him, because he would not teach in the manner he was told to! He loathed that headmaster...as did I. The only good thing about him was that he taught me to finally be assertive, when he told me my daughter would never set the world alight!

I explained to him with many verbal !!!!!!!'s that it was HIS JOB to ensure that every child BELIEVED they could set the world ablaze in one way or another! He did more damage, to more children, than I have ever known! It took years to get rid of him...YEARS!

She was also told by her art teacher that her work was crap! (Teacher's word)...She nearly gave up on life! And THAT is when I took her out of school and realised that I was surrounded by people who didn't give a damn about my child or anyone else's....All in the name of education! She put down her brushes for two YEARS! It took one hell of a lot of hard work to get her to pick them up again...but pick them up again she did!

My daughter...entirely self-taught, with no rules or regulations....


http://www.myspace.com/nonnyisabella


So if I write 3,000 words when I hear George singing 'Anytown' which tells of our nation's Lost Children...or if I write reams about 'Roots' and about how so many youngsters have no idea who they are or where they're from anymore...THAT is where it comes from!

And tell me? Did it REALLY matter? Hmmm...did it? Now that all of this is over...Did it REALLY Matter? This wasn't about Smilies or length of posts or anything else, other than control!

But relax...for there'll be no more 3,000 words...no matter who comes out with what song....there'll be no more ANYTHING.

...apart from the sound of the selfish Moaning Minnies wailing in the distance..."We don't deserve this...we don't!"

Well actually....they do.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Folkiedave
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 07:23 PM

I am quite hurt.

She hasn't had a go at me. What have I done to please her?

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 07:24 PM

Oh and Chris, when I said "You Did!"....I did NOT mean that you MEANT to offend me...I simply meant that you DID offend me, with what you wrote...just to clear up any confusion.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: GUEST,Canadienne
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 08:31 PM

Lizzie, I have not followed your posts on the BBC board, believe it or not, I have much better things to do with my time than to wade through the paragraphs of drivel and drool that I have come across on the few occasions that I have tried to give you the benefit of the doubt by attempting to discover why people dislike your posting style so much.

However, with no evidence, you immediately assume that I am one of your "moaning minnies" and thereby also accuse me of being "breathtakingly rude" about muscians and of trying to control you in some way!

A problem is Lizzie that you are simply NOT humourous however much you may believe you are. Your posts here are at least as turgid as they are agressive and insulting.

I ask you again to listen to impartial posters who have no arguement with you personally while there are still some left.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: GUEST,Voice Of Reason
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 01:35 AM

Having read this entire thread, I'm very worried about Lizzies welfare.
I really hope that she can get some help.
I think that everyone else should back off.
Yes, she has twisted many peoples posts on this board.
I think that she should be helped, rather than ridiculed.
I hope that she goes and get some advice.
Let's just leave her alone.
Mental problems, are not nice.
So, let's leave it, people. It's not big, and it's not clever, to kick someone, when they are down.

And this Woman is seriously down.
May she find peace.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 01:54 AM

Well, Kids, I think that's just about enough. This thread is chock-full of squabbling and nastiness on all sides, so I'm closing it.
Please learn to discuss in a civil manner, and quit the ad hominem attacks.
Thank you.
-Joe Offer-