Lyr Req: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune

29 Jun 04 - 12:04 AM (#1215958)
Subject: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: Joe Richman

In another thread, Billy the Bus aka Sam- Stewart Island NZ requested that I start a thread regarding the use of the tune Villikins & his Dinah for topical songs. The origin of this was my goal to do one different song using this tune at the monthly meeting of a folk circle I attend. So far I've done 4 different songs, and have one on tap for July. I have a couple of other possibilities for the rest of the year, and I plan on using V and his D in December. The months of April and may were skipped due to Easter and Mother's Day conflics so what I've done to date is the following:

Jan.:    Old Orange Flute
Feb.:

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29 Jun 04 - 12:32 AM (#1215962)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: Joe Richman

OOps.. got cut off

Jan: Old Orange Flute ( N. Ireland)
Feb: A25 song (British navy WWII)
Mar: Dinkie Die ( British Army WWII version)
April: Off for Easter
May : Off for Mother's Day
June: Sweet Betsy from Pike ( US West 19th Cent.)

and in July probably

July: Moses Ritooralalooralalay ( Irish 1907 version not modern DT version, see recent thread)

I plan on using V & his D in December. (we're off again in Oct. for a fiddler's convention)

I have some others, but welcome new suggestions, particularly ones that aren't in DT and aren't scatological.

Joe

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29 Jun 04 - 01:47 AM (#1215991)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: pavane

A search of the Bodleian Ballad library turns up a lot of songs from as early as 1855 which were already using the tune.

Examples

Nicholas and his rhino ("'Tis of a rich tyrant who in Russia did dwell ...")

The great prize fight between Morrissey and Heenan, the Benicia boy, at Long Point, Canada, Oct. 20, 1858 ("Ye merry gay sportsmen, wherever you be ...")

The back-door commission; or, The fiat against publicans and publichouses ("Shut the back-doors, lads, but first let us in ...")

Nedward and his Fanny ("It's of a young clothier I'm going for to tell ...")

Albert, Victoria, and Napier ("As Victoria and Albert together did stray ...")

John Dean and his own Mary Ann. Or, the gallant young coachman and the cruel father ("Oh listen to me while a story I tell ...")

Teetotal Sam ("Two jolly old fellows, some four months ago ...")

The Sunday trading riot ("Oh, my friends have you heard of this terrible job ...")

Susy and Pat Murphy ("Och, it's of a rich farmer in Limerick did dwell ...")

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29 Jun 04 - 02:07 AM (#1215997)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: masato sakurai

Link to Bodleian Library Broadside Ballads:

      villikins and his dinah [tune]

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29 Jun 04 - 02:08 AM (#1215998)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: The Shambles

Sing It Elswhere

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29 Jun 04 - 03:45 AM (#1216017)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: John MacKenzie

The Thrashing Machine is another.
Giok

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29 Jun 04 - 03:51 AM (#1216019)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: pavane

The original song sems to have been
William and diana

Printed somewhere between 1789 and 1820

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29 Jun 04 - 04:00 AM (#1216024)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: greg stephens

I can strongly recommend "The Wee Magic Stane", an account of the stealing of the Stone of Scone(the Scottish coronation stone) from Westminster Abbey, by some scottish students in the 5o's. Insteaad of stealing, perhaps I should say reposession.
    I also particularly like the "Thrashing Machine" recommended earlier by Glok, but I fear that may come into your category of scatological. (Though that word appears to mean "obsessed with excrement" originally, and there is definitely no excrement in the Thrashing Machine. But alas, quite a bit of shagging).
    I am not sure if anyone anyone has suggested "Follow the Plough" yet. That is grand old agricultural song, used to popular among all the old boys in country pubs. I think you could be singing the rest of life at this project, Joe. At one a month, it's going to take a few years to get through the list!

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29 Jun 04 - 04:30 AM (#1216039)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: pavane

Of course, The Thrashing Machine (bawdy) also goes back at least as far as the 1850's. There are several copies in the Bodleian library, for example:

The thrashing machine

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29 Jun 04 - 04:39 AM (#1216044)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: GUEST,weerover

In my list of Irish songs I have the following listed to this tune:
Old Orange Flute
I Don't Mind If I Do
In the County Roscommon
Pat and the Priest
Old Ballymoe
Tourelay
The House Down in Carne
The Shilling a Night
The Birth of Saint Patrick
The Widow of Donaghadee
Ballad of the 13th Lock
Quare Times
The Mullingar Heifer
The Blind Beggar's Daughter
The Battle-away Breed

wr.

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29 Jun 04 - 06:06 AM (#1216068)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: Billy the Bus

G'day Joe,

Ta muchly for this thread. Somewhere in my brain cell there's another song wot I can't recall at the moment..... I have senior lapses...

PS - could you give me a wake-up call? I must get to the Post Office (if we still had one) to "Register my A25"

Cheers - Sam

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29 Jun 04 - 08:32 AM (#1216133)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: Snuffy

Listed in the links at the top of the page is MASTER MCGRATH

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29 Jun 04 - 09:36 AM (#1216186)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: Joe Richman

I like the Magic Stane, Greg, but my Scots dialect pronunciation is terrible. If someone could render it in phonetic spelling for me that would help.

Joe

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29 Jun 04 - 09:41 AM (#1216189)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: Joybell

"The Nautical Yarn" and "Bluey Brink" from Australia. Joy

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29 Jun 04 - 11:36 AM (#1216289)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: Uncle_DaveO

I will recommend Do Virgins Taste Better , but I have to admit that it was not originally set to V&HisD. I find that it fits V&HisD better than the Irish Washerwoman, and I sing it this way all the time.

Lest you form a wrong opinion based on the title, it (at least explicitly) mean what you just might think. I will say that it is just slightly bawdy. It's about the legendary practice of bribing a dragon to leave a village alone by annually providing a virgin for the dragon to eat.

Read it, at least! It's great good fun.

Dave Oesterreich

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29 Jun 04 - 01:18 PM (#1216364)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: Herga Kitty

I think there's a Musical Hall song about a muckspreader? Chorus starts, "Fling it here, fling it there....."

Kitty

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29 Jun 04 - 06:08 PM (#1216577)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: Susan of DT

When you want to find other songs to the same tune in the DT, search for the tunefile name, in this case VILDINAH. It won't get every one of them, since some will have had the tune entered specifically for that song, but many will use the same tunefile. There are 26 that come up on the version of the DT on this website.

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29 Jun 04 - 07:29 PM (#1216612)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: Joe_F

"I Like a Moose" (male & female versions in the DigiTrad).

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29 Jun 04 - 09:33 PM (#1216663)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: Joe Richman

I saw all of the DT V & his D links already, and several of them are way too bawdy for my taste or the tastes of the group I'm performing in front of. What I'm looking for, as I stated are songs off the DT. "The Wee Magic Stane" is in the DT, and would be a fine choice, but is in Scots dialect, and way beyond my ability without help in that department. The Bodleian library looks to be a good source, but I'm also interested in 20th (and even maybe 21st) century lyrics. Weerover's list of Irish songs might help me as well, and I also appreciate the suggestions from Australia. If I forgot anyone, consider yourself thanked. Right now, I'm at 2 Irish, 3 English and 1 American, with 3 slots to be filled before the end of the year. I'm not sure I want to keep this up into 2005.

Thanks to all,

Joe

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29 Jun 04 - 09:47 PM (#1216676)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: Joybell

Good luck Joe, I'll add that "The Nautical Yarn" is a good family-type song. It's in the DT. You can sing it with funny vioces for the dialogue bits and it lends itself to melodramatic treatment. Joy

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29 Jun 04 - 09:54 PM (#1216682)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: Bob Bolton

G'day Joe,

I see that Joybell has opted in two Australian songs; The Nautical Yarn (a humorous - mock-tragic- tale of an Australian paddlesteamer on the Murray River) and Bluey Brink (an equally mock-tragic tale of an Australian shearer and some dangerous drinks).

I might also challenge your description of Dinkie-di as "British Army WWII" ... although I guess some Pommies may have picked up the Australian song - despite Aussies singing it as direct insult to snooty Pommy officers/non-coms!

Regards,

Bob Bolton

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29 Jun 04 - 10:29 PM (#1216695)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: Joybell

Hello Bob, Yes "The Nautical Yarn" is mock-tragic and I've always sung it as such, but I once was camping beside the Murray River in the Barmah State Forest during a thunder-storm. Was that a scary experience! "The winds they did rage and the waves they did roar!" I can tell you. Only time in my life I've seen ball-lighning! It ran along a wire fence straight at our tent! Gave me new respect for the old Fresh-water Shellbacks like Bill Jinks. Joy

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30 Jun 04 - 12:27 AM (#1216738)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: GUEST,Art Thieme

There is a song I learned from the Minnesota folklorist, John Berquist, that I put on my last CD. It tells the story of the problems that can arise in the north woods of the USA when a lumbering crew encounters a bear. This song, The Pokegama Bear, is sung to this tune but with some nice minor chords tossed in by me to make it a bit prettier.

Art Thieme

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30 Jun 04 - 01:14 AM (#1216746)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: GUEST,weerover

Joe,

If there are any of the songs i listed for which you don't have access to the the lyrics, I will be happy to post here.

wr.

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30 Jun 04 - 09:18 AM (#1216952)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: Bob Bolton

G'day Sam,

Yeah ... I reckon digger is more Australian ... but it's pretty well shared with you Kiwis - much the same lot grubbed for gold in both nation's rushes and went on to mine for more mundane metals. The Queenstown on Tasmania's west coast (lots of copper mining in its day) was named after New Zealand's Queenstown by miners coming back west

Anyway, just avoid those jars of sulphuric acid ... especially the ones the barman uses to clean the bar - you nevr know what they might have soaked up off the bar surface!

Regards,

Bob

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30 Jun 04 - 09:19 AM (#1216953)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: Snuffy

The Molecatcher of Gloucester

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30 Jun 04 - 12:22 PM (#1217086)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: Jim McLean

The Wee Magic Stane

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30 Jun 04 - 03:12 PM (#1217217)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: GUEST,Barrie Roberts

Didn't Pete Seeger devote a complete Folkways LP to versions of V & D about 30 years ago?

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30 Jun 04 - 10:58 PM (#1217426)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: Joe Richman

Sorry about that Australia...Well the version I did (in the DT)was definitely from WWII since it mentioned Lord Gort, who was a British Commander in the evacuation of Dunkirk and on Gibraltar and Malta. (Gort did serve in WWI, but wasn't head of the army until the 1930s). Probably not the original WWI Aussie version, which I don't have. Do You? If so please post it.

Joe

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30 Jun 04 - 11:22 PM (#1217435)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: Bob Bolton

G'day Joe,

I'll check through the various books that have versions. The "Lord Gort" version is probably the most remembered in Australia ... nowadays ... since there aren't too many WW I Diggers left!

Regards,

Bob

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01 Jul 04 - 03:28 AM (#1217515)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: cobber

G'day Bob and all. I was going to suggest "Carolina the cowpuncher's whore" that Oscar Brand recorded, I think but it sounds like that wouldn't be suitable. There was another that springs to mind that I learned in school in England in the fifties. I can only remember the second verse which went
Oh Father, Oh Father the daughter she cried
Idon't feel inclined to be marry-i-ed
And all my large fortune, I'll gladly give o'er
If you let me live single a year or two more.
Anyone know what that was?

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01 Jul 04 - 04:51 AM (#1217554)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: Billy the Bus

G'day Cobber,

That was Charlotte, the Harlot - the Cowpunchers Whore and all I can remember is the song title... It was as cleanly grubby, and with the same subtle double entendre as Eskimo Nell.

Aaaaarrrfffggghhh....

I still can't remember a single solitary word....

And as to Oswcar Brand? Are you Canadian? He was TOTALLY grubby, and a heap of fun (and history)...

Mumble...

And. Bob - it was a tripartite transfusion of songs in the gold-mining days of the 1860s.... Ummm... even Californians were involved - Don't tell anyone else

Cheers - Sam

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01 Jul 04 - 06:53 AM (#1217588)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: Hrothgar

There's the one that starts

"There was an old lady of Sauchiehall Street
Who, try as she would, was unable to shit"

I can remember most of it if anybody wants it.

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01 Jul 04 - 07:05 PM (#1217938)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: Joe_F

The Soldier and the Sailor
Link

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01 Jul 04 - 09:51 PM (#1218006)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: Joe_F

Here's another one:

The Ballad of Wadi Maktilla, British, W.W. II, about a frustrating attempt to do battle with some Italians in North Africa. To the tune in question is added the inspiring refrain

What the hell's all the fuss?
Oh, wouldn't you, wouldn't you like to be us?

This tune has gotten around.

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01 Jul 04 - 10:58 PM (#1218028)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: Bob Bolton

G'day to the Antipodean contingent:

cobber: I have the Oscar Brand version of Charlotte the Harlot on a tape made from one of his "stereo demonstration" LPs, which I heard about 1966. I'd have to go back and listen to be sure of the tune he used ...

Hrothgar: The same Oscar Brand LP (there were two - Bawdy Cowboy Songs and Bawdy Sea Songs) has something called (~) All About Turds - or A Song About Turds, which is another version of the one you mention.

Bily the Bus: Yes ... we do remember that a lot of Yanks were at the goldfields - but we haven't forgiven "The American Revolver Brigade" from withdrawing from the Eureka Stockade, which was the signal for the Redcoats to attack!

Anyway, the really big infusion of American songs to the Australian goldfields came from the touring American troupes such as Christy Minstrels and Black-face ("Nigger") Minstrel Shows that rushed out here to carry on their efficient, no-dig, gold extraction techniques.

Regards,

Bob Bolton

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01 Jul 04 - 11:48 PM (#1218051)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: Billy the Bus

G'day all,

What a wealth of old memories you're bringing back. V&D certainly knocked about - in more ways than one. Thanks for reminding me of 'Soldier & Sailor' Joe_F - and your other links...

And, Bob, last night I was checking out the Christy and other B&W Minstrel shows - it was part of a search for the ultimate Yankee Gold Grabber who took all my pennies 55 years back. Did you have such a "Nigger"?

Must look for a M-C 'Toys' thread

Cheers - Sam

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03 Jul 04 - 04:17 PM (#1218996)
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From: Uke

Another well-known antipodean (probably only well-known in New Zealand actually) contribution that has to be mentioned is "Fast Pair of Skis" by Harold Gretton:

I like to go tramping around Dawson Falls
The climate's superb and the scenery enthralls
There's pungas and fushias and mamaku trees
It's a swell place to go with a fast pair of skis.

When it's cold, and you freeze,
You can always keep warm with a fast pair of skis

King David lay dying and couldn't get warm
So they brought a fair virgin to take him by storm
Said David, To hell with prescriptions like these
Tell the eunuchs to bring me a fast pair of skis

etc. etc. (circa 1940s - I remember my parents still singing this in the 70s)

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03 Jul 04 - 05:51 PM (#1219031)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: Nigel Parsons

Billy the bus: It was definitely "Carolina, the cow punchers' whore"

Way down Alabama where the cow dung lies thick,
Where girls are so pretty that babies come quick.
There lives Carolina, the girl I adore.
Carolina, Carolina, the cow punchers' whore

She's randy, she's bandy, she shags in the street.
If ever you meet her, she's always 'on heat'
If you leave your flies open she's after your 'meat'
And the smell from her c*** knocks you right off your feet.


That's all that comes immediately to mind

Nigel

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03 Jul 04 - 06:00 PM (#1219034)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: Nigel Parsons

Or a song sung by Scouts in Warwickshire

The Warwickshire Song

A young earl of Warwick, one Atholl by name,
Did need him a sign for to bring him some fame,
His name meant a bear so a bear he did choose,
And that's how the bear first came into the news.

Rye toodle rye toodle rye toodle rye aye
We'll show you our badge if you come down our way
It's only a bear standing up by a tree,
But it's story was told in 900ad

Morvidus the earl who came after that chap,
Uprooted an oak and with lions did scrap,
He slew them and cut it to pieces of chaf,
And that's how the bear got his rugged old staff,

Chorus




The Bear & Rugged Staff (The Arms of Warwickshire) Also the name of numerous pubs in the UK


CHEERS

Nigel

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04 Jul 04 - 12:22 AM (#1219117)
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From: Billy the Bus

G'day Nigel, maybe Carolina and Charlotte were twin sisters.

G'day Uke - there was a jooly good session of Tararua Tramping Club Golden Oldies singing the songs of my youth on the wireless today. Reminded me that some years back I posted a more extensive version of Fast Pair of Skis here on Mudcat - with a bit of an explaination as to nomenclature - great to see yuu were on the same wavelength.

Cheers - Sam

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04 Jul 04 - 04:15 AM (#1219154)
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From: Uke

Hi Sam, glad you heard the radio singsong, funnily enough I must confess... 'twas yours truly that put that baby together - with a fair bit of help from Jack Perkins of course. It was heaps of fun to do actually.

So yeah, those great songs have been on my mind lately... good to see 'Skis' already posted.

By the way, did you ever know Tony Nolan? I met him a coupla times when I was a lad and was planning to interview him for the radio, but he passed away last year before I got started.

Regards

Mike

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04 Jul 04 - 06:31 AM (#1219185)
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From: Billy the Bus

G'day Mike,

Congratulations on a great programmme Mike. I'll keep my aerial up for a Spectrum re-run, so I can record it. I can't find Tony's record at the moment. Sad to hear he's left us. I can't say I really knew him, but joined in a number of sing-alongs, and had a few yarns with him back in the 60s, when I was running Rotoiti Lopdge in NLNP.

I've just finished listening to Jim Sullivan. He played 'Gutboard Blues" as atribute to Dave Jordan - a bonus as he gave me 'Sate House' last week. The number of us left from those days is getting pretty skinny on the ground - guess we aren't getting any younger.

Cheers - Sam

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04 Jul 04 - 06:17 PM (#1219442)
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From: Uke

Thanks Sam - Give us a yell if want a tape copy of any of Tony's records.

Yeah, pity about Dave Jordan. I guess you know the immortal 'Down Trou' song (now that could be a good one for Mudcat). Not wanting to be the bearer of bad news or anything, but I also heard that the Pog Band is breaking up...

To get back to this thread I've got a song about the Shiner round here to 'Villikins' I'll dig out and post.


Mike

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05 Jul 04 - 07:50 PM (#1219559)
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From: Joybell

Bob that's unfair. The Americans slept in at Eureka. The attack was very early in the wee hours of the morning. Maybe they were all musicians. Can't imagine my American True-love getting up that early either. Joy

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05 Jul 04 - 11:53 PM (#1219686)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: Bob Bolton

G'day aagin,

Joybell: I understood that the American Ambassador had been prevailed upon, by the Colonial authorites, to warn the Americans off ... with the usual threats of authority. (Can't say too much about the effects of authority ... Peter Lalor did end up as Minister for Transport in the Victorian Government!)

Joe Richman: Sorry I have been otherwise engaged - I did look at various Australian versions of Dinky Di ... and it is interesting that the collected version - mostly written down post-WW II - come with the 'Lord Gort' verse ... whether they have the WW I references or the WW II ones! The Lord Gort verse must be WW II ... he was only a Lieut. Colonel in 1917 ... I think that verse - usually the final one of the song - is so good it sticks to all versions!

I'll get back from home, where I have scanned in Bill Scott's version from his Second Penguin Australian Songbook (1980?). He learned the song first hand in the 1940s, on active service ... but refers back to the version his Dad sang him, from WW I ... but retains the Lord Gort stanza. I'll also give you another version ... varying mostly in having a variable chorus, echoing the last line of each stanza.

I ran my usual Monday Night Music Workshop last night ... and remembered that John Poleson, who was in the band Selectors with me in the '70s ... and comes along to my Workshops ... was the source of a much less expurgated version, printed in Brad Tate's Australian Bawdy Songs, Ramskull Press (mid 1980s ... ?) - but that (perhaps fortunately) doesn't enter into this discussion since it goes to the tune Mountains of Mourne ( - and there is textual evidence that this was the earlier tune for Dinki Di).

I also noted a reference (Thérèse Radic, in her (~) Favourite Australian Songs - I'll dig out the full references when I get home) to another Australian song Euabalong Ball (or Wooeeo Ball, before A.L. Lloyd fiddled with it) going to " ... a variant of Villikins & His Dinah". However, after a lot of comparison of the two tunes, I'd have to say the resemblance is slight! I can give you ABC (plus the no longer Mudcat-supported MIDItxt) if you are interested ... or send of a simple MIDI - and/or a scan or a print-out from my music progran, if you want to give me an e-mail address by PM.

Regards,

Bob Bolton

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07 Jul 04 - 10:31 PM (#1221068)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: Joe Richman

Well, thanks to all the Mudcatters who contributed to this thread.
I think after all of this research, I'm going to stick with two songs I found in the DT for two of the three I need to complete my year of Villikins & his Dinah songs. They are:

Harbour Le Cou (Newfoundland)

Be Kind to Belfast (N. Ireland)

One question about this one: Does Lagan rhyme with Reagan? Let me know if you know!

The third is probably going to be Nigel's Warwickshire song. Short sweet and to the point. What everyone needs to know about Warwickshire ancient history and heraldry. It deserves to be added to the DT in my opinion.

Sorry about the Wee Magic Stane. Good song but tough to perform with a California Western American accent.

Thanks Australia for the Dinky Die updates. Maybe the original WWI ending has been lost forever due to the fine WWII ending which replaced it.


Joe

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08 Jul 04 - 04:28 PM (#1221636)
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From: Herga Kitty

I work in an office in Horseferry Road - the regimental HQ mentioned in Dinky Di has been rebuilt a bit further north, towards Strutton Ground.

Kitty

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08 Jul 04 - 07:02 PM (#1221741)
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From: Cindy

I sing a song occasionally to this tune called 'Strip Jack Naked'. Its slightly bawdy and about a chap who opens a strip club.

Verse 1
Our Jack was a right one, game for any fun
He got left some money by a relation
He had such ideas, and what do you know?
He opened a strip club in London, Soho

Chorus
Singing tune up your g string and sing out your thong.

Painful I know. It goes on for another 8 verses
I can post the rest of the lyrics if anyone is that desperate

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19 Jul 04 - 09:32 PM (#1229466)
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From: The Walrus

Nigel,

Many years ago I learned a slightly different, longer version of 'Carolina the Cowpunchers' Whore' (It used to be heard belting out of the back of ACF 4 tonners at Annual Camp - Do cadets still travel in/sing from lorries I wonder):


Way down Alabama where the bull-slit lies thick,
Where girls are so pretty that babies come quick.
There in the middle, the queen if it all
Is Carolina, Carolina, the cow punchers' whore.

She's randy, she's handy, she shags in the street.
If ever you meet her, she's always 'on heat'
If you leave your flies open she's after your 'meat'
Carolina, Carolina, the cow punchers' whore.

One day I was riding out, down by the falls,
One hand on my pistol, the other, my balls,
When I saw Carolina a-using a stick
Instead of the end of a cow puncher's prick.

I carressed her, undressed her and laid her down there,
I parted the tresses of curly brown hair,
I inserted the penis of my trusty horse
And then there began such a strange intercourse.

Faster and faster and faster it seemed
'til at length Carolina rejoyced with a scream,
But alas, Carolina, my horse did 'backfire'
And shot poor Carolina straight into the mire.

There lay Carolina, all covered in muck,
She stood up and said "What a glorious F**k",
Took two paces forward, fell dead on the floor,
And that was the end of the cow-puncher's whore.


Any Use?

Walrus

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20 Jul 04 - 05:25 PM (#1230179)
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From: Jim McLean

Reagan rhymes with Fagin (Dickins), Lagan rhymes with shaggin' (D H Lawrence.

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24 May 05 - 06:40 PM (#1492330)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: GUEST,Feebar

I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere that Nina Simone did a great comedy song about the NAACP to this tune...
All I can remember is:

Oh daughter, dear daughter, take warning from me
And don't you go march with the NAACP
For they'll rock you and roll you and get you into bed
And [something something] you'll wish you were dead

Singing too ral eye too ral eye too ral eye ay heee

And then there was something about the daughter being warned to carry a brick should any young man from the NAACP approach her...

...But before she had time to remember her brick
They were staging a sit-down on a nearby hay rick

Singing too ral eye etc.

Just thought i'd mention it!

Fee

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24 May 05 - 07:28 PM (#1492363)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: Compton

I recall in olden times, Steve Bembow singing "I Don't Mind If I Do!"

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24 May 05 - 09:18 PM (#1492427)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: GUEST,Scotus (by the back door)

Archie Fisher sang a song about the CND which is obviously a variant of the Nina Simone one (though I don't know which came first).

The Last Clydesdales by Archie Webster also uses the VahD tune - if anybody wants it I'll post the words.

Jack Beck

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25 May 05 - 03:46 AM (#1492611)
Subject: RE: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: GUEST,Paul Burke

This one dates itself, the tune a slight Irish variant:

The queen has a daughter, the bold Princess Anne,
While she was out riding she met a young man.
His name it was Mark, a dashing young blade,
Of the face of a horse he was never afraid,

With me yah, yah, tooralay yah.

As they were a-riding through meadows and streams
He knew he was onto a good thing it seems,
Some new tricks at riding with hime she did find,
He was sometimes in front aye and sometimes behind

With me yah, yah, tooralay yah.

He popped her the question one night in the dark,
She could only say yes as she got off her Mark,
But weddings cost money as everyone knows,
So she told Mr. Heath and our wages he froze,

With me yah, yah, tooralay yah.

And so on. Men of No Popery if I remember roghtly.

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30 May 05 - 04:03 PM (#1496216)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: Tradsinger

Also to the same tune we have "All jolly fellows that follow the plough" - well known in these parts.

My mate Charlie sings a cracking song to this tune called "The Back to Front Song" which starts:

'Tis seven years come muck-spreading, I forgets it quite well
A fair pretty maid in a cottage did dwell
Alone with her parents, she dwelt all serene
And her age was bright red and her hair seventeen.

You get the idea.

On the bawdy side, we have:

There was an old woman in Gloucester did dwell
The dirty old woman I knew her quite well

Which is a version of "Blinded by S**t".

By the way, Snuffy, tell me more about the Gloucester Molecatcher - is it the song I know as the (Manchester) Molecather?

Gwilym

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31 May 05 - 08:41 AM (#1496640)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: Snuffy

Gwilym,

I don't have the words to The Gloucester Molecatcher, but they're probably close to the Manchester one and the Wellington in the Digital Tradition. I've heard the Gloucester version sung to the Villikins tune fairly often by Bill Pullen, to whom further inquiries should probably be addressed.

WassaiL! V

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31 May 05 - 04:00 PM (#1496821)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: Tradsinger

Ah, I know Bill very well so I'll interrogate him on the subject!

Thanks and wassail to you.

Gwilym

PS send me a PM if you live within range of Gloucestershire. We'll meet up.

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23 Jan 09 - 09:44 PM (#2547531)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tu
From: T in Oklahoma (Okiemockbird)

Now this song by the Corrigen brothers uses Villikens and his Dinah.

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23 Jan 09 - 09:57 PM (#2547539)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tu
From: T in Oklahoma (Okiemockbird)

Cross-reference to the thread about the Corrigan brothers' song.

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12 Oct 09 - 10:41 PM (#2744612)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tu
From: Gibb Sahib

"The Liverpool Packet" has the tune, more or less, and "The Liverpool Judies" was sometimes sung to it as well.

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24 Aug 11 - 10:05 AM (#3212000)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: MGM·Lion

'The Deserter From Kent', in Penguin Book Of English Folk Songs, collected by Vaughan Williams from Mr H Burstow of Horsham in 1903, has not been mentioned above that I can see, although the Penguin Book note draws attention to the relationship of that song's tune to "the familiar 'Villikins' air, perhaps the commonest of all British folk-melodies".

~Michael~

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24 Aug 11 - 10:28 AM (#3212014)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: MGM·Lion

Sorry ~~ correction to above: Deserter From Kent collected by Walter Ford from Mr Kemp, Elstead, Surrey, 1907.

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11 Jul 14 - 05:45 PM (#3641361)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: MGM·Lion

refresh

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12 Jul 14 - 12:22 AM (#3641438)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Villikins & his Dinah: songs using tune
From: Bert

Don't tear it, don't tear it my old hairy muff
I've had it a long time and it's quite good enough
The inside is silky and the outside is rough
for the Lord's sake don't tear it my old hairy muff.

Also "Still I Love Him" is close enough to be a derivative.

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