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Subject: RE: BS: West Virginia Coal Miners Found - 1 Alive
From: GUEST,G
Date: 05 Jan 06 - 04:53 PM

Sunnysister, I just reread your post, it was so0mething. And I share your feelings about people working in dangerous professions. Again, I think the drama that the news media helps build is part of what attracts us to the stories.

I am of the opinion we are not made aware, sufficiently, of the danger in many occupations. While it is not the safest job around, the death rate of miners on the job does not make the "10 most dangerous occupations" list. Roofers have a higher rate as do Farmers. Taxi drivers even have a higher fatality rate. This is based on a "rate per 100,000". Logging workers are number one on the list.

This doesn't help the families of those who lost a husband, father or friend.


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Subject: RE: BS: West Virginia Coal Miners Found - 1 Alive
From: katlaughing
Date: 05 Jan 06 - 05:38 PM

G, thanks for your comments and clarifications. My husband has been a chief engineer for tv stations for umpteen years. I've been a writer/journalist for many years as well as worked in broadcast sales, and his dad was a well-respected journalisr in print and radio for years.

I cringe everytime we watch Rog's current employer's news. They are all but one very young, looking for exciting stories to cover with which to build their portfolios in order to graduate to the next market level. Some of them can read, at least, but I have yet to hear or see a one of them who can go hunt up a GOOD story, something which needs to be exposed, etc. Part of this is the fault of their news director and/or sales manager and/or station manager. The news director wants non-controversial news...she doesn't want to upset anyone; ditto the other two managers, esp. when it comes to upsetting advertisers. I hate it, Rog hates it, but it is our bread and butter.

It seems to me most young adults who are going into "news" are taught only how to "report" not how to "investigate" which, to my mind, is what good journalism is all about. It's really sad.

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: West Virginia Coal Miners Found - 1 Alive
From: Azizi
Date: 05 Jan 06 - 05:51 PM

This is a terrible terrible tragedy made worse by the false news given to the families that 12 of the miners had survived.

My condolences to the families of those men.

It is so shameful that money was considered more important than human life. I hope that changes are made that avert a repeat of this tragedy elsewhere. But if no changes are made-such as substantially increasing the fines mine owners have to pay for safety violations- this tragedy will happen again and again.


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Subject: RE: BS: West Virginia Coal Miners Found - 1 Alive
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Jan 06 - 06:05 PM

While I agree that the media has a duty to check the facts about stuff they report, I don't think they could be expected to check that the people running the mine weren't lying in these circumstances.

Owners and managers perhaps lying about the reasons for the disaster and trying to shift the blame, sure enough, those might be the kind of things you'd be looking out for - but them giving out false stories about the number of survivors? That's not something anyone could imagine was even possible.

As for the way the media sensationalises and debases itself in the process, in this kind of tragedy, that can indeed be disgusting. The blame for it lies squarely with the people who control the media, and with the punters who buy the papers that go in for that kind of "journalism".


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Subject: RE: BS: West Virginia Coal Miners Found - 1 Alive
From: GUEST,G
Date: 05 Jan 06 - 06:27 PM

Great post, Kat, and stick with it. Who knows, maybe some of your attitude could rub off on the others.

G


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Subject: RE: BS: West Virginia Coal Miners Found - 1 Alive
From: katlaughing
Date: 05 Jan 06 - 06:57 PM

Thanks, again, G. I doubt if I will rub off on any of them; they never see me or hear from me, unless they happen to be on the web and find one of my old op/ed pieces.:-)

There is an interesting article about the sourcing for this story over at Editor&Publisher.

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: West Virginia Coal Miners Found - 1 Alive
From: Janie
Date: 06 Jan 06 - 12:46 PM

Thanks for the link, Kat.

Janie


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Subject: RE: BS: West Virginia Coal Miners Found - 1 Alive
From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie)
Date: 06 Jan 06 - 04:12 PM

"West Virginia Mine Disaster" was played as part of the PBS "All Things Considered" program on January 4th at a little after 5:00 PM.
I was happy to have my song used; but sad for its occasion.


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Subject: RE: BS: West Virginia Coal Miners Found - 1 Alive
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Jan 06 - 05:30 PM

Sorry it took a sad occasion for it to be played. I thought folks could hear it at NPR's website, where it is listed on THIS PAGE, but I think they have their files mixed up. Sounds to me as if the piece just before yours, Sun & Moon, is under your song title, as all I hear when I click on it is fingerpickin' guitar. I have emailed them, so I hope they get it sorted out.

For anyone who would like to read Jean's words, it is in the DT.

Thanks, again, Jean,

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: West Virginia Coal Miners Found - 1 Alive
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 06 Jan 06 - 09:54 PM

In 1992 a methane explosion at the Westray mine in Stellarton, Nova Scotia claimed 26 miners, in circumstances that are hauntingly similar. The mine was also cited for numerous safety violations before it blew to hell. Some owners and managers were charged but they got off free. A judicial inquiry exposed a lot of rot , and changed how safety inspections are now handled, but it was closing the door after the horse escaped.
   I wrote this song about Westray:


                      WESTRAY REMEMBERED   
                                    
            MAY 9, 1992.................5:18 AM
                        
       LISTEN TO ME FRIENDS, AND A SAD TALE I'LL TELL
       HOW A MIGHTY EXPLOSION ROSE UP STRAIGHT FROM HELL
       AND SWEPT THROUGH A COAL MINE AS IT PASSED ON IT'S WAY
       AND 26 MEN DIED DOWN IN WESTRAY THAT DAY
       YES 26 MEN DIED DOWN IN WESTRAY THAT DAY

       WHEN THE GOVERNMENT INSPECTORS WERE DOWN IN THE MINE
       THEY IGNORED ALL THE COAL DUST AND THE SHORTAGE OF LIME
       AND THE METHANE DETECTORS THAT WERE SCREWED UP, THEY SAY
       SO 26 MEN DIED DOWN IN WESTRAY THAT DAY

       WHEN THE RESCUE TEAM WENT DOWN TO SEARCH IN THAT MINE
       A PATH OF DESTRUCTION WAS WHAT THEY WOULD FIND
       15 BODIES WAS ALL THEY RECOVERED THAT TIME
       11 ARE BURIED STILL DOWN IN THAT MINE

       SOME HIGH POLITICIANS, AT FIRST THEY DID CRY
       BUT THEIR GREATEST CONCERN WAS TO COVER THEIR HIDES
       AND THE ROT IN THE SYSTEM MEANT THAT NO ONE WOULD PAY
       OUR COURTS THEY DID FAIL US SO BADLY THAT WAY

       THE BOSSES AND OWNERS, THEY WALKED AWAY FREE
       THUMBING THEIR NOSES AT THE INQUIRY
       BUT SOMEDAY IN HEAVEN BEFORE GOD'S GREAT THRONE
       THERE'LL BE NO ESCAPING WHEN SINS ARE ATONED
         
       NOW YOU'VE HEARD MY STORY AND A SAD TALE I DID TELL
       HOW A MIGHTY EXPLOSION ROSE UP STRAIGHT FROM HELL
       AND SWEPT THROUGH A COAL MINE AS IT PASSED ON IT'S WAY
       AND 26 MEN DIED DOWN IN WESTRAY THAT DAY
       YES 26 MEN DIED DOWN IN WESTRAY THAT DAY
      
   (c)2000   A.McLean ,
Port Hawkesbury , Nova Scotia , B9A3H4
      a.mclean@ns.sympatico.ca


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Subject: RE: BS: West Virginia Coal Miners Found - 1 Alive
From: GUEST,Sandy (lost cookie)
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 06:15 AM

Sorry if the above song reads "LOUD".
It was a paste from my songsheet.
             Sandy


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Subject: RE: BS: West Virginia Coal Miners Found - 1 Alive
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 06:48 AM

Well done, Sandy. Thanks for sharing it with us.


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Subject: RE: BS: West Virginia Coal Miners Found - 1 Alive
From: JennyO
Date: 09 Jan 06 - 08:42 AM

Just catching up with news, having been away. What a horrific story!

As soon as I started reading this, a Bee Gees song I remember kept running through my head:

NEW YORK MINING DISASTER 1941
(Barry & Robin Gibb)


In the event of something happening to me,
there is something I would like you all to see.
It's just a photograph of someone that I knew.

Have you seen my wife, Mr. Jones?
Do you know what it's like on the outside?
Don't go talking too loud, you'll cause a landslide, Mr. Jones.

I keep straining my ears to hear a sound.
Maybe someone is digging underground,
or have they given up and all gone home to bed,
thinking those who once existed must be dead.

Have you seen my wife, Mr. Jones?
Do you know what it's like on the outside?
Don't go talking too loud, you'll cause a landslide, Mr. Jones.

In the event of something happening to me,
there is something I would like you all to see.
It's just a photograph of someone that I knew.

Hvae you seen my wife, Mr. Jones?
Do you know what it's like on the outside?
Don't go talking too loud, you'll cause a landslide, Mr. Jones.


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Subject: RE: BS: West Virginia Coal Miners Found - 1 Alive
From: katlaughing
Date: 11 Jan 06 - 05:34 PM

Well, they may be slow to reply, but at least I did get an email from NPR about Jean's file not being available:

Good afternoon and thank you for writing.

Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience. I have forwarded
your email to the appropriate individuals who can look more into this.

You may find the entire selection by visiting:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5131761

Thank you for your patience.

Regards,

Chantel Harley
NPR Online


I hope this means they will have it corrected, shortly.

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: West Virginia Coal Miners Found - 1 Alive
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 06:45 PM

Yo, G-G:

How Many More?

Deaths Push Calls for Mine Safety Overhaul
By VICKI SMITH, Associated Press Writer
January 22 2006

...The Bush administration is reviewing safety equipment in mines after scrapping similar initiatives started by the Clinton administration. Miners' advocates said pulling those initiatives stopped potentially important safety rules from becoming reality...


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Subject: RE: BS: West Virginia Coal Miners Found - 1 Alive
From: SINSULL
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 11:22 AM

The cause? One news report recently claimed that the explosion was caused by a lightening strike which set off a pocket of methane gas. They added that this was fairly common. Common or an easy "Act of God" way out?


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Subject: RE: BS: West Virginia Coal Miners Found - 1 Alive
From: BanjoRay
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 01:00 PM

The existence of an explosive pocket containing methane gas (at least 4% methane to be explosive) is a sign that the ventilation of that part of the mine was inadequate, and that gas inspection duties were inadequate. Act of God? Pttuiii!
Ray


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Subject: RE: BS: West Virginia Coal Miners Found - 1 Alive
From: katlaughing
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 01:36 PM

Well, they haven't fixed the link on the NPR page which I posted which was supposed to have Jean's song, BUT you can listen to it on the link which they gave me in the reply letter: Click here to hear Jean singing her incredible and beautiful song. I love her voice! Thanks, Jean.


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Subject: RE: BS: West Virginia Coal Miners Found - 1 Alive
From: katlaughing
Date: 08 Feb 06 - 01:44 PM

This is worthy of reading, imo. From The Daily Princetonian (my emphasis):

The administration, however, has acted in a way that decreases the safety of miners, precisely when mining companies should be most able to afford such safety measures. The federally mandated fines for safety violations at mines are farcically low. Much more serious is the Bush administration's 2004 revision of federal mining regulations that allows a single drilled shaft to serve for both air intake and conveyor belts � a condition that might help underground fires to spread and may have contributed to the deaths at the Alma No. 1 Mine. This creates a situation analogous to the war in Iraq, where our troops are sent into battle without adequate armor, in insufficient numbers and receive inadequate medical care when they suffer grievous injuries in the line of duty.

This analogy is doubly pertinent. West Virginia boasts one of the nation's highest per capita military populations. The people of this poor state embrace military service and coal mining, both because these professions are one of the best economic opportunities available to them and because they are "honorable" occupations that serve the needs of the nation. In this time of tax cuts to the wealthy, why should the soldiers and miners have to make all the sacrifices? Is it right that the fat cats continue to relax in their air-conditioned SUVs equipped with GPS devices so they don't get lost driving to the bank to cash their refund checks, when mines aren't required to have emergency communication equipment or devices to track individual miners? In this time of war, isn't shared sacrifice called for?

    This administration, which claims to represent all Americans, clearly cares little about those who are less economically privileged, those who die to protect their country abroad and those who die at work to supply the fuel that their country demands to function. There's a reason that some West Virginia cars are now sporting bumper stickers declaring their drivers "too poor to vote Republican." It's become evident that Bush's policy stinks for the poor both abroad and at home.


I also, heard on NPR, that a law from the 60's, which required them to use less-flammable material for conveyors belts, has been gutted by this admin.


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Subject: RE: BS: West Virginia Coal Miners Found - 1 Alive
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 09:03 AM

"a single drilled shaft to serve as both air intake and conveyor belts...."

Since air intakes are vertical shafts (drilled), how does a conveyor belt work in this situation?

By the way, GWB, I think you caused my ingrown toenail.


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Subject: RE: BS: West Virginia Coal Miners Found - 1 Alive
From: BanjoRay
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 09:13 AM

For some stupid reason news programs always talk about mine shafts when what they mean are mine roadways. Shafts are vertical, roadways aren't - they are level, or inclined, and are used for transport and conveyor belts.
Ray (ex British Coal scientist)


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Subject: RE: BS: West Virginia Coal Miners Found - 1 Alive
From: katlaughing
Date: 09 Feb 06 - 10:59 AM

Maybe this will help clarify:

Their days began on a mantrip, a vehicle that takes miners down miles of tracks to the absolute dark of the mine face. Inside, a continuous mining machine carves out rock. Miners scoop up coal and dump it into carts that are unloaded on a conveyor. They work under rock ceilings secured with huge bolts and glue. The temperature can range from nearly 100 degrees Fahrenheit around machinery in the summer to 30 degrees below zero near howling air vents in the winter. Small doors, called drop doors, seal ventilation passages that run parallel to the main shaft. Through the ventilation shaft, air rushes to the surface.

Also found this interesting:

By: Henry A. Waxman
Published: Jan 11, 2006 at 09:11
        

Rep. Waxman sent a letter to Labor Secretary Chao today regarding the Mine Safety and Health Administration's 2004 decision to exclude mine safety inspectors' notes in Freedom of Information Act responses. The agency's secrecy policy limited disclosure about hundreds of safety violations at the Sago mine for years before the recent disaster:

Dear Madam Secretary:

I am writing to urge you to reverse the 2004 decision of the Mine Safety and Health Administration (MSHA) to block public access to the reports filed by mine safety inspectors. This unwarranted secrecy may protect the mining industry from embarrassing disclosures, but it undermines accountability and mine safety.

Prior to 2004, MSHA publicly disclosed both the results of mine safety inspections and the reports and notes filed by inspectors that provided the documentation of any violations found. The inspectors' reports and notes were particularly important. Not only were they used by mine safety organizations, mine workers, and the public to identify dangerous mines and practices, they were also useful to mine operators implementing needed improvements in mine safety.

In 2004, MSHA reversed its interpretation of the Freedom of Information Act, deciding that the inspectors' reports and notes did not need to be disclosed under FOIA. As a trade publication reported at the time, "without public comment or input, MSHA secretly changed its long-standing policy of routinely releasing inspector notes under the Freedom of Information Act."[1] The rationale for this change was unclear. The reports do not implicate national security or privacy concerns. Although the change in policy was publicly acknowledged by MSHA officials, the documentation behind the change in policy has not been released.[2]

It would be impossible to draw a direct connection between the new FOIA policy and the recent fatal disaster at the Sago mine. But the agency's secrecy policy certainly limited public disclosure about the mine's violations. Over the past two years, the Sago mine was cited for hundreds of safety violations, including many that were classified as "significant and substantial" or "unwarrantable failures."[3] Under the current policy, the inspector's notes and reports that serve as the basis for these violations have been withheld from the public. If the full reports of the mine inspectors had been disclosed, it is possible that life-saving reforms could have been identified and put in place.

The 2004 FOIA policy is not the only example of growing secrecy involving the MSHA. A report I issued in September 2004, Secrecy in the Bush Administration, cited MSHA's misuse of the "law enforcement exemption" to FOIA to withhold notes from a meeting between MSHA officials and coal company executives. The full notes show that much of the deleted material consisted of accusations, threats, and profane invective directed by the executives against MSHA officials. The meeting had no evident law enforcement purpose, and it is unclear how the redacted material would fit within this narrow exemption.[4]

Government secrecy exacts a heavy price. It reduces accountability and invites abuse and corruption. The secrecy policies that MSHA has adopted under the Bush Administration are dangerous and unwarranted, and they should be immediately reversed.

To assist congressional oversight of these important matters, I request that you provide all documents relating to MSHA's policy on releasing information on mine safety inspections and investigations pursuant to the Freedom of Information Act, including but not limited to statements of policy and drafts thereof, memoranda relating to changes in policy since 2000, and all guidance provided to FOIA processing officials.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Sincerely,

Henry A. Waxman
Ranking Minority Member


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