Raedwolf,

I totaly agree with what you have said regarding origins."

They are not the European knightly orders (the Templars, Hospitallers, Teutons, etc). They have never fought as a body unless persecuted. Lastly, kung fu, by a very strict definition, is not even a martial art. It's a movement art; like Tai Chi & Aikido; that has self-defense applications. And Buddhism is very explicit about not using violence. If the occasional professed individual breaks that instruction, this is not a reason to claim that the group's philosophy is therefore invalid."

I have been involved in Tia Kundo and know that it is a disipline of mind and body, that is aimed to promote self disipline and is not used unless absolutley nessesary. A last resort! It takes a braver man to walk away from a fight. Movements are based on Tai Chi.

Blessed be