John;

"If the NRA is really all about gun safety, why aren't they pushing for mandatory safety training, with licensing of those who are properly trained?"

Do the words "shall not be infringed" have any meaning to you? (second amendment)

"Do you really think that the fact that lots of people walk around with guns in their pockets is the only thing separating us from being like Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union? "

Uh...yes.

"Do you realize that we have lots of other, more real protections?"

Just barely, the Constitution is under constant attack. That is why conservatives are frequently alarmist having seen the liberals trash it on a regular basis.

"but then you do things like refer to a highly respected journalist as Dan Ratherski"

Comrade Dan is rather obvious in his bias and deserves ridicule. I haven't respected him since he insulted then President Bush on camera and his constant clinton/algor rumpswabbery. Judging by his plummeting ratings, neither do millions of Americans.

"refer to the government of the United States as a tyranny and as BigBro"

What do you call it when part of your wealth is confiscated at the point of a gun? (the answer is theft) as well as armed home invasions and flagrant violations of private property rights

Well, since most WORKING people lose about 45% of their net to all forms of taxation which requires many couples to both work hence denying them the LUXURY of parenting, I'd say he's fairly accurate in that choice of words.

We pay about 700% more in taxes than did our parents.

"It's just that you are espousing such an extreme line, in such extreme language (you even said "Rooskies"!!), that it is hard not to laugh at you. Come in from the cold, man"

Jaque spent some time freezing while facing down the communist North Koreans during the "cold" war. Keep going laughing boy.

"Most of us are living perfectly happy lives without having to get past the level of fear and distrust that you seem to be feeling"

We think most of you are not paying attention, we just came very close to total destruction of the country.

The military would have left in droves under algor. Consumer confidence would have continued to drop precipitously as the clinton/algor regime resumed its attack on business.

"I'm still interested in how you (and troll) can fail to see the strangeness of referring to someone who keeps guns as being pro-life. It seems to me that gun ownership implies a willingness to use a gun, which implies a willingness to kill someone, which implies that calling yourself pro-life is inaccurate. I have no problem with someone being anti-abortion and pro-gun. I just have a problem with them describing themselves as pro-life."

This is so convoluted I don't quite know how to respond to it, but that's never stopped me before.

Good guys can own guns, this does not turn them into murderers. This concept didn't used to need explaining (it's often referred to as moral equivalence).

You have the right to defend yourself (shoot back). The fastest growing group of gun owners is single women(perhaps they don't want to get raped or wish to protect their children since cops can't and there is no dad)

Many of those who believe in defense of themselves and their children may also extend the belief of "Right to Life" (see Declaration of Independence) to innocent unborn children.

I'm sure that if a bad guy (or a bad fetus for that matter) was to pull a gun on one of these people, it would be a very solemn situation.

I haven't heard of an unborn packing heat yet so this may explain YOUR paradox for you.

"Just to clarify for myself your level of conservative, keep-government-out-of-our-lives fervor, how do you feel about gay rights, specifically gay marraige?"

Well, you weren't exactly asking me, but while I'm at it, Gays have the same rights as anyone else, I believe in equal and individual rights.

Since marriage is the union between a man and a woman I'd have to say that a gay man has every bit as much of a right as the next guy to marry a woman.

mav8 out

PS Sorry about the double post, I guess you can't use