BS: If I were a remainer...

Subject: RE: BS: If I were a remainer...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 12:25 PM

I bit my lip, held my nose and voted LibDem SIX BLOODY TIMES here because it's a Tory-LibDem marginal with Labour nowhere in sight. But I was hoodwinked in 2010 and I vowed never to do tactical voting again.

Subject: RE: BS: If I were a remainer...
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 12:10 PM

Steve, in my constituency, we have always had a Tory MP, but the Libs (and subsequently the Lib-Dems) have always had far greater support than Labour, so voting for them seemed the most likely way to unseat our 'orrible Tory. Sadly, it never worked.

And I'm in wholehearted agreement about the debacle of 2010. An unforgivable act of betrayal of those who voted for them. Never again.

Subject: RE: BS: If I were a remainer...
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 12:05 PM

Come on man, stop beating about the bush, spit it out, and say what you mean...!! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: If I were a remainer...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 12:05 PM

Or, if you like, I'll tell you what I really think...

Subject: RE: BS: If I were a remainer...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 12:03 PM

The LibDems have always been a bunch of pusillanimous, wet, expedient-minded Tories. It transpires that Steel knew all about Cyril Smith but kept quiet about it, and they threw their lot in, extremely undemocratically, with the real Tories in 2010, who took the suckers for a ride, ridiculing them with a fake referendum on the voting system and obliging them to overturn a solemn promise on tuition fees. And guess what, they didn't see it coming. Before that, they had opportunistically thrown their lot in with the charlatan SDP to keep Maggie in power for many more damaging years and they'd even tried it on with Labour in the seventies. That went well, didn't it? Libby-no-mates they are but they'll sell their souls to go for power at any price. No morals, no scruples and the leader before this one was a rabid anti-abortionist.The LibDem campaign round here in 2010 was all about "whatever else, vote LibDem in Cornwall to keep out the Tories at all costs." So we did, and they'd lied, and look where we are today. I'd rather hack off my family jewels with a rusty machete than vote LibDem, and the very thought of supporting them makes me want to throw up.

Subject: RE: BS: If I were a remainer...
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 11:41 AM

I could well pose the same question to you, Al. If you are so anti-Europe, why did you not vote for UKIP?

Subject: RE: BS: If I were a remainer...
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 11:37 AM

I think part of the answer, Big Al, is that elections are about a wide range of issues. Brexit is important, and has a major effect on lots of other issues, but it is not the only important one. Even manifestos are not a statement of what a party will do, but more a description of an approach to life, which informs you how the party will react to unanticipated events: floods, financial crashes, terrorist attacks and on and on.

For the last 30 years or so, I have made a point of reading all the manifestos of all the parties listed on my ballot paper and try to judge which is closest to my desires and also taking into account past voting records of the candidates if known.

So voting on a single issue is not for me.

Subject: RE: BS: If I were a remainer...
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 11:26 AM

I am interested in why people think we, the UK, will be better off out of the EU.

I have asked the pro Brexiteers on this site on many, many, occasions how we will be better off outside the EU.

To date I have been met with a resounding silence (oxymoron I know)

Subject: RE: BS: If I were a remainer...
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 11:19 AM

Lifelong labour voter..
But where i now live, voting Labour is more futile than trying to define folk...

So I reluctantly tactical voted for Liberals until that unforgivable treacherous betrayal...

At least my vote for Labour is one more to encourage them...

..and anyway, liberals never win round here either.....

Maybe our combined vote could beat the tories for once, at last,
but can't see local liberals would ever vote labour for whatever prissy high minded reasons...???

Subject: RE: BS: If I were a remainer...
From: Jack Campin
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 11:16 AM

The SNP is the major pro-EU party in the UK, and its stance has seen its membership overtake the Tories to become the second-largest party in the UK as a whole. Their dominance in Scottish politics is close to hegemonic and they may well be the only party with any Westminster seats in the next general election.

They really oughta open a branch in England. There must be more support there for their way of doing things than for Corbyn's weaseling evasiveness or the Liberals' total grovelling opportunism (remember that at one of the crucial votes in the Brexit process, one of them absented himself to speak at a rally of Christian homophobes and their leader simply went missing without ever offering an explanation). Sadiq Khan might be up for it.

Subject: RE: BS: If I were a remainer...
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 11:13 AM

Depends who you mean by 'they'...

Subject: RE: BS: If I were a remainer...
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 11:10 AM

you really think they're that bright...?

Subject: RE: BS: If I were a remainer...
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 11:08 AM

And BrexShit isn't, and shouldn't be, a party-political issue. The Praying Mantis, however, has made it thus by her policy of refusing to allow anyone from any of the other parties in to the process, so that she can follow the instructions of the small cadre of immensely-wealthy non-Dom tax-dodgers who have driven and controlled the Leave campaign from Day-One.

Had she put a cross-Party team together right back at the start, things might have been very different now, because she'd have everyone's buy-in. But that's not what the Tory Grandees wanted because their own personal wealth is far more important to them than the good of the nation.

Subject: RE: BS: If I were a remainer...
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 11:07 AM

But its the issue you care about BWM.

Subject: RE: BS: If I were a remainer...
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 11:02 AM

I always have been behind the Lib-Dems (the Liberals before that), I always voted for them in LEs and GEs, until they betrayed my trust and my vote in 2010 by aligning themselves with The Pig-Fucker and his disgusting Tory party.

It'll be a cold day in hell before I support them again.

Subject: BS: If I were a remainer...
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 22 Mar 19 - 10:53 AM

I make no secret of my belief that we will be in the long term better off outside the EU.

However, if my beliefs were as strongly held as the remainers tell me theirs are, I am left wondering why they do not engage more fully with the political system - if they wish to change or reverse things,...

For example, there is only one party that is totally uncompromisigly pro-EU, and that is the Liberal Democrats. I see no sudden change in the LD's fortunes.

Instead they seem to be applauding a few halfwits with placards outside the Houses of Parliament.

Corbyn...god alone knows what he truly thinks, however he's got a plan that will be acceptable to Brussels we are told. In other words - that's Brexit in some form or another.

If you really belive what you've been saying you believe in - why not get behind the Liberrals instead of Jeremy.

As usual i will vote Labour - always do. not with much joy in my heart.