BS: Stages of Human Male Development

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: Penny S.
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 07:29 AM

Oh, yes, there were references to work in which, in both men and women, when there was a conflict between logical and emotional reactions, the logical parts of the brain, as shown in scans, were more active.

Didn't think the situations were much of a reflection of reality, though.

Penny

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: Penny S.
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 07:27 AM

I've googled a bit on it, which has thrown up nothing authoritative, but a reference to women using both sides of the brain for emotion, men only one - not backed up. I believe that to be shown in the case of language.

What keeps coming to mind is the behaviour of men on the road, where there seem to be strongly emotional behaviours, that emotion being anger, or aggression, which seems to cut in pretty suddenly without any logical reason.

I think there is a tendency to equate "emotion" with the softer versions seen as feminine, rather than the fiercer emotions characteristic of testosterone.

Penny

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: Penny S.
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 07:13 AM

Could you give me references on the hard wiring for follow up, please? I do like to go back to sources in science.

Penny

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: able
Date: 30 Jan 07 - 04:51 AM

Will attempt to deal with comments as best I can. Penny s:-women have what is called a hard-wired connection between logic and emotion, men don't. Any tradesman is inventing all the time, new circuits techniques etcetera because every situation is unique. I used to design and build industrial machinery, production always increased and people always decreased. That stinks. Canada was intelligent enough to stay out of Iraq, but will say American troops seem to follow the oil. I have neither the right or knowledge to comment further on another countries foreign policy, but my sympathies definitely lie with the poor bugger in the field who is paying the price. American women can only watch in envy the extent to which Canada has become a matriarchy, 5 billion was advanced for child care and will explode to 12 billion a year if the present government can't somehow reverse the process. We don't even begin to spend that kind of money on defence, our navy recently bought 3 used subs from the brits and while they were trying to bring them to Canada a man died in a fire, this, after they were refurbished. jacqui c:- Couldn't agree with you more on the politicians but would insist that women be included with the men, a woman can stop a bullet almost as well as a man. As far as jokes go, they almost always always victimize someone. As for dragging women by their feet, that isn't humour it's filth. As to whether you are a matriarchy, watch tv and compare the number of male bashing shows movies and commercials, as opposed to the female bashing. That's right girls, scary isn't it, especially when you take into account the number of times you depend on one these morons to save your life fix your car &&&&&&&&&&&&!!!!!!!!!. When the twin towers came down the female firefighters rep wanted her women included in the memorials that followed, this, even after she was told no female firefighters had been killed. I'm trying not to wander but the fields are so broad and the injustice so prevalent that one person can't even begin to address the problems. In parting, a huge number of inventions were made by unschooled men working full time to support their families and part time on their inventions. At this point in time I can't help but think of 2 bicycle makers who built some kind of flying machine part time. The reason most men don't invent anything is because they work at a dead end job that they hate so much it takes years off their lives. The main reason they don't take risks is because they are in debt so far that all they have to do is think about losing their jobs and they break into a cold sweat. Those women who represent the sole wage earner of their family should be able to identify with this situation. My deepest apologies for the ramble, I still remember the days when men risked their lives to save women they didn't know. And what about the Titanic, who the hell got all the damn lifeboats?

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: kendall
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 09:37 AM

There is gender bashing, and there is wry humor. Two examples:

Why did the cave men drag the women by their hair?
Because if they dragged them by their feet, they would fill up with dirt.
Now, that, and any other "joke" about women's genitalia are offensive. I think that men who think that's funny, and can't wait to repeat it, have an issue with being able to relate to women. It's 8th grade hunor.

Why are Dolly Parton's feet so small?
Because nothing grows in the shade.
To me, this is clever, but not especially offensive.

A guy comes home after being on a week long drunk.
His wife, furious, said "Where the hell have you been"?
"On a drunk, why"?
She said, "How would you like it if you didn't see me for a week,"?
He said "I'd love it"!

About a week later, he could see her a little bit out of the corner of one eye.

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: *daylia*
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 09:30 AM

I am puzzle by Able's contention that it is a Matriarchy that will be sending troops...

I think able just enjoys a fable.

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: jacqui.c
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 08:56 AM

LOL freda.

Re gender bashing. There have been an awful lot of jokes that might be considered degrading to women. How about 'why do women have smaller feet? So they can get closer to the sink'. That's one of the milder ones that I have heard. I've generally thought that those were pretty funny, so long as they are being told by men who don't regard them as being reality. But then, I'm pretty secure about being female and I, too, am in the top 2% of the population IQ wise.

From personal experience I have found that the folks who find gender based jokes offensive have issues with gender as a whole. As I say, this is based purely on my own personal experience and I have no data to back it up.

I am puzzle by Able's contention that it is a Matriarchy that will be sending troops to Afghanistan. I thought that, right now, all the leaders involved in that abomination were male. Or are they being egged on by their wives to send boys out to die? As a female I am sickened on a daily basis by the maiming and killing of one human being by another in these conflicts. In my view the leaders who want to get into these wars should be out there in the front line.

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: kendall
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 08:54 AM

"Men mature after exhausting all other options."
Now, as a male, I should be offended. So, how come I'm not only not offended, but amused?
When I see my brothers sitting back with a case of beer watching a bunch of 'good ol' boys" go round and round all afternoon, or another bunch jumping all over each other in an attempt to win some silly ball kicking thing, that saying has a ring of truth, doesn't it?

Let the shit storm begin.

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: *daylia*
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 08:23 AM

I'd like to know just which women have been involved in sending soldiers off to Iraq. Toni Blair? Georgina Bush? Donna Rumsfeld? Can't do anything with Dick Cheney.

LOL   and I bet a 'Chick Deney' would be much more workable.

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: Schantieman
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 07:47 AM

Just don't try arguing with them on those few days out of each 28 when ALL reason leaves them!

S

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: Penny S.
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 07:43 AM

OK able. So you are in the 2% who are really good at solving the sort of problems that the sort of people who think being good at solving that sort of problems think makes them intelligent. So'm I. But I don't think that it does.

It isn't the number of brain cells, anyway. It's the number of connections between them, and that depends on how they are used. I don't know, off hand, how much work has been done on this, but seem to recall that women have more connections between the hemisphers than most men. Most men have not been involved in inventing anything. A number of women have, on record. Probably more off record, because they make little adjustments around their functions in the home.

I'd like to know just which women have been involved in sending soldiers off to Iraq. Toni Blair? Georgina Bush? Donna Rumsfeld? Can't do anything with Dick Cheney.

And your evidence for the swing of the pendulum past centre? Mind you, it was so far over the male side that it would be hard to get it centred and then just stop.

Penny

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: gnu
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 02:30 PM

Until you gotta pay for it.

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: Cluin
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 01:59 PM

...On the other hand, if in a verbal confrontation,it is much better to argue with a man, this is because a verbal assault with another woman can become much more degrading...


Plus, the making-up afterward is much more rewarding.

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: gnu
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 01:59 PM

Able... sounds like you are best qualified for the job. Get right on it and report back when you have solved all the problems.

Thanks in advance.

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: Scoville
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 12:29 PM

I should add that I don't think jokes bashing either gender are funny.

Although the Santa Claus one was sort of cute, but maybe I think so because the men in my family really do end up looking like Santa Claus when they get older.

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: Scoville
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 12:27 PM

You are right about the beer and our confidence which seems to lessen with age(become more circumspect). In reality men would be just as happy living in a cardboard box, just don't tell the women I said that. More and more I am getting this urge to go live in a shack in the bush with enough level ground to be able to take off and land my plane.

Sounds all right to me. Maybe you just haven't met the right women.

Other than that, if the patriarchal societies that have dominated Western civilization up until, as able contends, the last 25 years or so had bothered to educate their daughters instead of teaching them cooking, needlework, and very little else, said daughters could have done some of that inventing for them (and there are numerous exceptions throughout history that support this). If you want to keep us ignorant and dependent, then don't complain that we've been . . . ignorant and dependent.

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: able
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 11:59 AM

Didn't understand who the comment "battle of wits" was meant for, but do know my IQ places me in the top 2%. I reiterate, all of the previously stated situations still exist. Would someone please deal with the problems.

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: GUEST,Liz the Squeak ducking and running for cover
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 10:17 AM

"On the other hand, if in a verbal confrontation,it is much better to argue with a man,"

I'd agree with that:~ a battle of wits, but I don't like fighting an unarmed opponent.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: *daylia*
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 09:01 AM

But I confess.. my creative ramblings in this case were a recycled old joke (i just changed the last line to mention banjo players!)

Well Freda, I'm still not going to relieve you of any of those laurels! You deserve every one -- hee hee! And seeing as we're getting into True Confessions here ....

Bubblyrat, the Globe has 75% of it to answer for. The original article claimed only 3 stages of development in human males -- virility, senility, and death.

In other words -- Stud, Dud, and Thud.

But I didn't want to see the children left out, so I added a fourth stage - Pre-virility - and changed the formula to Bud - Stud - Dud - Thud.

Therefore, I guess I'll have to answer for 25% - but ONLY 25, and not a smidgeon more!    :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: bubblyrat
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 08:32 AM

Having read all the above responses,I can only say that I think the "Toronto Globe and Mail" has a lot to answer for !!

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: able
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 05:07 PM

I'm glad to see that some women will agree that men will try to maintain a logical debate. However, no one has dealt with the problems, there will still be an offensive in the spring, men still live a life of servitude, and the women haven't committed to helping get the pendulum back to the center. Why do we have to wait until this detonates into a gender war.

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: Gizmo
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 04:34 PM

If we didn't recognize and understand the differences between males and females, we would be nowhere.

My friend and I agree to this point:

In a physical fight - we would prefer to fight another woman (because we would be more evenly matched, than fighting a man.

On the other hand, if in a verbal confrontation,it is much better to argue with a man, this is because a verbal assault with another woman can become much more degrading, emotionally taxing and hurtful, than the more logical reasoning of most males arguments.

These are of course generalisations. BTW if men and women thought and acted the same way - I very much doubt we would have a human race. Balance and equality does not necessarily mean thinking the same, and doing the same. It starts with an equal respect for each other and differences can equalise the balance in a relationship. I.e. 2 hot-heads with no-one backing down would not last very long, unless one backed down, and if the same person backed down all the time - it would not be equal thus put a strain on the relationship.

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: Slag
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 01:07 PM

It would take but one generation to prove my point, but then no one would be around to appreciate it. The Human, like all other animals and most higher life forms on this planet are female/ male or male/ female. One does not exist without the other. So why do we focus upon the differences? Why separate? 12 billion + 17 billion = 29 billion! Much better.

And in any given relationship, what works, works.

The relationship is what makes us special. Without it, Mr. Stud is just a , well, stud: an insturment of propagation. Without it the woman is little more than an incubator. However shemust and will relate to her child or the child wont make it. I suppose that is why women ARE endowed with much better relational abilities than men.

The differences combine and make us one. Tonight's sermonette was brought to you by the Institute for Universal Parthenogensis.

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: able
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 01:03 PM

You are right about the beer and our confidence which seems to lessen with age(become more circumspect). In reality men would be just as happy living in a cardboard box, just don't tell the women I said that. More and more I am getting this urge to go live in a shack in the bush with enough level ground to be able to take off and land my plane.

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 01:03 PM

I'm in favour of female equality, as I'm fed being dominated by the buggers!
G ¦¬]

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: gnu
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 12:46 PM

You suppose it's having all those extra brain cells that make us think we can drink all that beer and still function okay? "Whaddya mean slow down on the brew? I'm fine. Watch this."

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: Cluin
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 12:35 PM

...Now to my point, the female brain has 12 billion brain cells and the male brain has between 15 and 17 billion brain cells. Those extra brain cells have allowed men to invent almost everything in the world to advance civilization....

Ah, without the women pressuring us to build things, we would have quit inventing shortly after we discovered beer. We'd be content having to still go outside to pee and poop.

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: gnu
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 12:19 PM

You had better be ready and willing, able.

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: gnu
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 12:08 PM

Oh, this oughta be good.

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: able
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 09:42 AM

I was born when Chamberlain was still PM of England. That said I have watched the male downfall with disbelief and thought :- some adjustments are required by men anyway. At first it was subtle, stop naming hurricanes after women and so on. What we have now is a matriarchy that doesn't seem to give a damn how many young men have to die in order to advance the female agenda. Canada will be launching an offensive in Afghanistan in the spring, lets all keep tally of the body bags shipped to Canada and the US. Now to my point, the female brain has 12 billion brain cells and the male brain has between 15 and 17 billion brain cells. Those extra brain cells have allowed men to invent almost everything in the world to advance civilization. It gets a little tiresome to have almost no tv to watch because I am a man, with that in mind, what do you girls think about helping the pendulum swing back closer to the center. Being a man in this day and age makes me want to reconsider equality as a failed experiment that has gone terribly wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: freda underhill
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 08:19 AM

jokes can often toe a fine line - + I'm glad you had a laugh Daylia. But I confess.. my creative ramblings in this case were a recycled old joke (i just changed the last line to mention banjo players!)!

a very un-original freda

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: *daylia*
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 07:59 AM

...Little girls will tend to play things like house or learn to read. Little boys, however, will tend to do things like placing a bucket over their heads and running into walls.

ROFLMHO!! Freda, at the risk of loading you down with laurels I am compelled to add mine to your collection above! The mental images - or rather, memories - conjured up by your lines above are almost too much --- ah yes, so true, so true .....

Thanks for your creative postings Freda, and for the links, quotes and jokes everyone. Hee hee!!

And thank you too, Susan, for your thoughtfulness and insights.

daylia

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: freda underhill
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 07:30 AM

bobad, I followed your link thinking I'd come across a wonderful banjo player, and what did I find? Not.. The banjo players mutual support society

freda

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: Slag
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 08:34 PM

The Four Stages of Man as Santa Claus
(not original with me)

Stage 1. You believe in Santa Claus

Stage 2. You do NOT believe in Santa Claus

Stage 3. You ARE Santa Claus

Stage 4. You LOOK like Santa Claus

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: Cluin
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 06:45 PM

"Change the oil"!

Very good. Verrrrry good, squire!

*nudge* *nudge* *wink* *wink*

You're wicked, eh? Wicked, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 12:09 PM

I just saw a story that said there are 86 people around the globe who are known to be over 110 years old. 80 of those people are women. Which I guess proves that women never know when to stop talking and have to get the last word in.

(ouch!)

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 11:34 AM

I think the idea that banjo players have MORE brains in their dicks is a little alarming. Less inthier heads I can handle. Perhaps they go somewhere else...

It's a bit like other assumptions that some other classes of male persons are more virile or more likely to be sexual predators - or just sexually bigger......

Now do I mean alarming, or alarmist?

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: Alba
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 09:32 PM

Freda..... applause .....*chuckle*

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: bobad
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 09:23 PM

"I think there needs to be more support for banjo players"

Dr.Leonard to the rescue.

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: freda underhill
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 08:55 PM

I think there needs to be more support for banjo players.

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 08:12 PM

I'm glad to see Wysiwyg expressing the same kind of irritation about endlessly recycled jokes knocking men as I feel about jokes knocking women.

There's a place for humour about differences between men and women, as there is for humour about differences between different nationalities and so forth - but it's place that has its rightful boundaries and limitations.

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: Cluin
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 07:33 PM

And the only one who is expected to pay attention to the vertical alignment of the toilet seat.

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: bobad
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 07:25 PM

"As far as Nature goes, the human male really is only good for one thing."

I know what you mean, I'm getting sick and tired of being the one who changes the oil in the car.

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: Cluin
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 07:19 PM

As far as Nature goes, the human male really is only good for one thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: Gizmo
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 06:28 PM

I was excited about the snow too. Whoo hoo.

My son and daughter made (in his words)

"A really big snowman. The biggest snowman we have ever made. oh mum it is so big, come and see...etc etc"

It was only about a foot high - but he was right in some ways - it was the biggest snowman he has ever built.

What occurs to me (in all seriousness and not male bashing at all) is that boys never really get over the ability to exaggerate about size - do they?

ps - The above story was true btw. He said it yesterday morning.

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 06:07 PM

You know you're a grown up when you look out of the window on a snowy morning and don't think 'whoo hooooo!!' but 'that's gonna screw up the traffic'.

LTS - who still goes whoo hooo!

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: wysiwyg
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 10:34 AM

I thought we men weren't even needed for reproductive use these days :-(

Yes, that's another part of male-bashing, that says men are disposable-- how else could war be tolerated if a society wasn't willing to send men off to kill or be killed? If they are only good for repro, and if science can easily get around that-- then who cares if boys are taught to beat each other up (or be beaten by the pack), who cares if men are sent to wholesale slaughter?

Or who cares if a certain percentage of men are killed in mining accidents (oh well, it's only men-- you can always get another)?

Jokes ARE funny until one considers where they lead when taken to their logical and actual outcomes.

Some people say I lack a sense of humor-- I have quite a well-developed ability to laugh at myself, actually. Ask any Mudcatter who's been to a Gather at my house and you'll find we laughed all day, into the night. But I no longer find it funny to laugh along with what is hurtful, no matter who it's aimed at.

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: MMario
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 10:26 AM

h*ll no! If you're living right - once a man always a child.

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 10:23 AM

Once a man, twice a child.

Subject: RE: BS: Stages of Human Male Development
From: freda underhill
Date: 25 Jan 07 - 10:03 AM

Giok, it was nothing.... :-D) !!