BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 24 Nov 04 - 12:03 PM

Yeah whatever.

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: Once Famous
Date: 24 Nov 04 - 11:53 AM

How many times can you say bye?

It just proves you can't live without me, Johnny baby.

don't let the door knock you over on your way out.

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 24 Nov 04 - 11:47 AM

There you go. Thanks for proving me right. Byeee.

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: Once Famous
Date: 24 Nov 04 - 11:38 AM

You waste your time everywhere.

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 24 Nov 04 - 11:29 AM

No Martin, not tolerant of them at all - I'm very intolerant of all those who act violently and against the rights of others, irrespective of their religion or nationality. But there are better ways of expressing my intolerance than those you employ. Whilst your arguments may (or may not, I'm not making a judgment here) be valid, your poor use of language, and your constant practice of resorting to filthy insults, lose you the support of others who might otherwise be on your side. Your anger and vitriol defeat your purpose. You will never get respect for your point of view if you disrespect those who don't quite see things your way.

But I know I'm wasting my time here, so farewell and adieu.

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: Once Famous
Date: 24 Nov 04 - 10:36 AM

Strollin' johnny, you watch too many bad sci-fi movies.

I'm tolerant of you. Just as you are tolerant of the terrorists who killed Margaret Hassan.

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 24 Nov 04 - 10:31 AM

I wonder why people hate America, when it's full of fine, intelligent, gracious, tolerant gentlemen like Martian Gibbon. How unreasonable the rest of the world must be.

OK, I know most Americans are fine, intelligent, gracious, tolerant gentlemen (and women). Just a shame that Martian lets you all down so badly.

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: Once Famous
Date: 24 Nov 04 - 10:26 AM

Thank you, Ake.

Have a nice holiday, OK?

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Nov 04 - 10:10 AM

Martin...you are fuckin brilliant..
If you didn't live here, we'd have to invent you...Ake

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: Once Famous
Date: 24 Nov 04 - 10:06 AM

Guest, Bood, your finger didn't slip.

Your stupid head did a long time ago.

Fuck off, Oh great hater of America.

Fuck off, all of you America haters.

For Thanksgiving, I am glad I do not live in your morbid little European countries.

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Nov 04 - 09:32 AM

there are still numpties around who believe the stupid lies which "justified" the war on Iraq.

I would have thought that was made patently obvious by the re-election of President Lying Sack himself-

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 24 Nov 04 - 03:21 AM

--as I was saying when the fingers slipped---[!]-the U.K., the U.S.of A., ---and France, and others who thought they had an axe to grind all had a clandestine part to play. And now they try to convince the world at large that it was Saddam they were after all along. In a pig's eye! There's a three-letter word O-I-L. It's spelled the same no matter where it comes from, be it Iraq, the Caucasus, Darfur or North America---and that --and Israel--is what it's all about. It might surprise those hawks in Washington and London if they got rid of their blinders and told the simple truth henceforth, just how much increased support they might find.

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 24 Nov 04 - 03:10 AM

The second to last post from our Martin says it all---about the Man Himself.
His last one proves beyond doubt that there are still numpties around who believe the stupid lies which "justified" the war on Iraq. Or perhaps they don't, any more, but like their brave heroes in the White House, they perpetuate their "justification" by suddenly finding that the war is all about "Iraqi freedom" after all. They just don't have the nous to know that the worldwide resentment they have stirred up would have been much less virulent if they had said "We are invading to get rid of a vicious dictator". Well, the vicious dictator DID exist, although even that statement would have been a lie then as it is today. The same vicious dictator got a helluva lot of assistance in his oppression from those who now are embroiled in the horror that is the "democratisation" of Iraq. The

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: dianavan
Date: 24 Nov 04 - 03:00 AM

Seems to me that Iran was supporting the Kurds fighting against Iraq. Why didn't we just let Iran and the Kurds finish off Saddam? Would they have lost? Why did the U.S. think they had to get involved. Did anyone ask for their help?

d

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 10:06 PM

But is ita fair question to ask- "If the other countries and the protesters had not let Saddam know he could get away with non-compliance with the UN resolutions, would the US have seen any need to have invaded Iraq?"

Or is this one of those questions that right-thinking people are forbidden to ask?

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: Once Famous
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 09:22 PM

If the coalition had not invaded Iraq, would Saddam Hussein still be killing his own citizens in droves?

Amazing how some just don't get it.

Get real, please.

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 07:52 PM

Agreed. "Cause" is too strong a word. But is it a fair question to ask - "If the coalition had not invaded Iraq, would Margaret Hassan be alive today?"

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: Amos
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 07:49 PM

LEJ, I could not agree with your conclusion.

I think it could have been predicted that putting boots on the ground in Baghdad would bring this sort of madness out of the woodwork but I won't go so far as to say that Bush caused Margaret Hassan's murder in particular.

A

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 07:40 PM

The article makes some reasonable points, but any attempt to justify the murder of Margaret Hassan as the act of "desparate" individuals is ridiculous. These are simply murderers who have tried execution, found they enjoy it, and are using a hybrid of religion and hate to justify their actions. Bush and Blair have certainly stumbled through the occupation of Iraq like blind men in a mine field, but they had no hand in this particular crime. I am personally sick of the kind of rhetoric coming from both ends of the political spectrum that want to link their political opponents with individuals who are plainly psychotic. Liberal=Terrorist, for example, or Bush has caused the murder of Hassan, for another. Such arguments remind me of the defense attorney's plea for Ted Bundy... his actions were horrible, but they were the direct result of his unhappy childhood, and so hadn't his parents, neighbors, and the elementary school system be put on trial as well?

The problems in Iraq are painted in shades of gray, but some things are clearly, inexcusably wrong. Like Margaret Hassan's murder.

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: Once Famous
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 06:00 PM

Guest, Boob

It looks like you are the one who has a bug up your ass.

Easy to get at through your skirt!

LOL!

Watch out your "cart" doesn't tip over.

dianavan, your world consists of what's between your legs and nothing more.

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 05:29 PM

And, Martin---beware of self-made traps. Your superior intellect has dropped you in the shit yet again. "defenceless" in my Concise Oxford Dictionary is splelt [or spelled] "defenceless". Y'know, the UK folks were driving CARTS on the Left side of the roads before you guys had either a cart OR a road! Childish backbiting will never win any friends---or arguments. If you don't toke, have an aspirin---calm down.

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: dianavan
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 05:26 PM

Martin's world consists of Chicago and Israel. Beyond that, his vision is extremely limited.

d

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 05:20 PM

OOOH---MARTIN! You have just now attacked unilaterally, and made yourself a host of new foes! Just exactly like your gawky-but-deadly mentors skulking bravely in the WhiteHouse. And, Martin--the "Thin Red Line" hijacked by Hollywood never were US marines; they were the Scots in Philabegs [sma' kilts]who stopped the Russians dead in their tracks in the Crimea. Aye---beware of big guys wearing "skirts".....

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 03:11 PM

Well Martin I thought you would just love the Scots, as most of the Bush votin' hillbillys are descended from Scottish immigrants.

Also, fact that the early Scottish settlers were among the most hard and cruel slave owners,should appeal to your humanitarian side ....Ake

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: Once Famous
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 01:02 PM

He wasn't defenseless. He was a terrorist. And learn how to spell denfenseless. And scared young soldiers do make mistakes.

No, I haven't been to Scotland. I hear the food is terrible and they drive on the wrong side of the road if they can afford a car.

And get rid of that silly skirt that no other men in the world wear.

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 12:42 PM

MG - although I usually ignore you when you're on a rant, I'm compelled to join this one.

Have you been to Scotland? I'm English (you know, one of the ones that Scotsmen are supposed to hate). I've been to Scotland a lot. I've spent a fair amount of time in the USA too. I know a lot of Scottish people. And I know a pretty fair number of Americans (I work for an American-owned company).

It wasn't a Scotsman who murdered a defenceless wounded man in a mosque the other day. Give me Scotland and the Scots every time.

Thank you for you gracious attention, and goodbye.

S:0)

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: Once Famous
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 12:21 PM

Yeah, maybe you are right.

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: GUEST,US
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 11:50 AM

Terrorists killed Hassan.

The reason they killed her was because they know that antiwar protesters will protest against the war.

If it were not for anti-war protesters Hassan would not have been murdered.

That does not constitute an apology for what they did.

You are trying to apologise for the actions of anti-war protesters that give the terrorists a reason to kill innocent and good people.

The anti-war protesters are the unwitting acomplices of the terrorists. You are one of the tools they use like the Media.

Uncle Sam

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: GUEST,US
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 11:39 AM

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: Once Famous
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 10:53 AM

Guest, Boab

What's written in a Scot newspaper by this amateur is completely irrelevant.

You live in a second rate country with second rate everything. Your problem, not mine.

Hassan was killed by Arab terrorist murderers.

what are you? A dummy?

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: freda underhill
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 07:34 AM

good one, Tia!

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: TIA
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 07:09 AM

Guest US. You still don't get it. Purposely perhaps? Well I'll draw the cartoon version for you, then I'm through.

NO ONE has done anything but condemn the murder of Margaret Hassan.

EVERYONE agrees that it was done by terrorists.

Some people try to understand what motivates these crazies.

You say that trying to understand their motivation means one supports them - that one is an "apologist" for the terrorists.

ARE YOU WITH ME SO FAR?








You, in an attempt to ascribe motives for the terrorists, say that it is the fault of anti-war folks.

By ascribing motivation and fixing blame anywhere other than on the terrorists, this makes you, BY YOUR OWN DEFINITION AND LOGIC, an apologist for the terrorists.

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 23 Nov 04 - 04:31 AM

So M.G. reckons the Sunday Herald article was written by a "whining Scot", eh? Well, you foul-mouthed balloon-head, keep directing your insults at the girls who contradict your crappy opinions. You will be safer that way.
A compilation of the fetid scribblings of "Uncle Sam", Martin G. and Doug.R. as posted on this thread alone would make some quite revealing reading!
Ian Bell, the "whining Scot", is, BTW, one of the best of the fairly substantial number of journalists who tell the truth and to hell with the consequences.
    And Margaret Hassan was on NO danger till after the prissily-named "unilateral action" by Bush and his sycophant, Toady Blair.
Get in touch with the Lady's family---I dare you!

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: mack/misophist
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 11:25 PM

The only thing I can add here is to commend Ms Underhill on using the word Murder. CNN tends to say Execute. Most of them are not executions, they are murders and ought to be condemned as such.

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: GUEST,US
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 10:58 PM

I am blaming the Terrorists for doing the deed but I am saying they are listening to and feeding the anti-war protestors.

The woman was not harming them and was no threat. They did it to stir up more anti-war protest.

Uncle Sam

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 10:27 PM

Nah, Freda. I haven't lost a step.

Guest, US, I'm starting to get fed up with you. Why are you blaming anti-war protestors? No one is listening to them anyway.

Blame the fucking Arab terrorists themselves because it is Allah's way. Get off of these poor peace loving people's ass and go burn a Koran or something. OK?

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: GUEST,US
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 10:02 PM

You could use the threatened defense for any criminal act. They did it so you would protest aginst the government. If they did not think there would be anti-war protest, they would not murder these innocent people. No protest no murders of innocent people.

They would instead be murdering the people that threaten them.

It is not that hard to figure out.

Uncle Sam

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: Peace
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 09:59 PM

Logic isn't something with which GUEST US is too familiar; not in this case, anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 09:58 PM

Like I said in at least one other thread, U. Sam, I want to see you get INTO Iraq. Takes more than talk to make a 110% American; get over there and start shooting. You're just sitting around stateside and talking like them damn liberal protesters.

You do believe in fighting terrorists, don't you?

clint

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: dianavan
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 09:54 PM

I haven't read anywhere that Hassan's murder was condoned by anyone. Nobody had anything to gain. She was murdered. Period!

Why did it happen? Because someone felt very threatened.

Would they have felt threatened prior to the arrival of U.S. troops? Would Margaret Hassan been in danger prior to the arrival of U.S. troops? Who gains by these senseless acts? Nobody.

Trying to blame her death on anti-war protestors is stretching it a bit don't you think? I think some of you need a lesson on cause and effect. The person who murdered her made it very clear what was being demanded in return for her life. Nobody listened. Would the response have been the same if she were kidnapped on American soil? I think not.

d

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: freda underhill
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 06:00 PM

hey martin, i was getting worried about you, thought you were slowing down in your old age. good to see the old motor's still kick starting!

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: GUEST,US
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 06:00 PM

Tia:

So you are saying that the terrorists did it and it is the terrorists' fault? Or the terrorists did it and it is my fault?

I don't get it. They are did it because all of this anti-war, get out of Iraq puke makes them think they can achieve their goals by killing more and more good and innocent people.

They think this barbarism will make the majority of American loose their support for the war. That is the very purpose of terrorism. When you get wimpy, they are winning.

You are playing into their hands and it is the fault of the anti-war, get out of Iraq wimps.

Uncle Sam

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 05:55 PM

Nurse Ratched , you wouldn't know balls if they were halfway down your throat.

You have that tampoon confused where it goes. didn't your mama tell you it doesn't go in your mouth.

Unless you want to smoke it.

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: GUEST,NURSE RATCHED
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 05:42 PM

I came with my scissors to cut this man's balls off, but he doesnt have any.

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 05:39 PM

Freda, please cross your legs.

Your breath is killing me!

dish it out. You have to take it.

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: freda underhill
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 05:37 PM

hey martin, you had a colonnic but its coming out the wrong end. somebody turn the hose off!

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 05:30 PM

No, it means that even good looking women can cut a rancid fart.

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: freda underhill
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 05:07 PM

strange skills some people have, they can write but can't read..

does this mean they can talk but can't think?

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 03:07 PM

I don't blame the anti-waqr protestors.

I blame the asshole Arab terrorists.

blaming Bush and Blair is senseless whining.

they made them do it? Get a grip.

Subject: RE: BS: the murder of Margaret Hassan
From: TIA
Date: 22 Nov 04 - 02:30 PM

Sorry, you totally missed the point. It's not about anyone's definition of terrorist. Read your three answers again. By blaming the anti-war protestors, YOU are being an apologist for terrorists. Ouch.