WHITBY !!

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: Wyrd Sister
Date: 18 Oct 04 - 02:18 PM

Erm - am I naive or something? I buy a ticket then do whatever other stuff I feel like. It's all Whitby week to me.

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From: GUEST,Joe
Date: 18 Oct 04 - 12:14 PM

Pay your money and take your choice - what's the point of spitting feathers about what's "official" and what's "fringe"? Horse's mouth?.....Donkey's Ass - "only on the fringe"!! - it's a bloody big fringe (and I don't need to be RELIABLY informed on that - I'm happy to witness it year in year out).

Whitby's fantastic; just enjoy it. If you want to be part of the so-called "Main event" then fine; pay up and enjoy. If you prefer the "fringe" then enjoy AT LEAST as much, but without paying.
The real beauty of the festival (unlike any other probably) is that you can find what you're looking for in music/dance, or if you can't then go spend your time campaigning for re-runs of "Big Brother" or the Telly-tubbies

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Oct 04 - 08:12 AM

"Statements such as "there is no difference between the official and the fringe events, they are all part of people enjoying themselves" are quite insulting to the people who give up most of their leisure time to organising the official events."

This is not insulting in the least, it does not discuss who does what to achieve the festival, it simply states that the individual draws no distinction between the two and enjoys it all as one big package.
And that from the horses mouth.

Mentioned above means mentioned above, its not meaningless because it means mentioned above, as in above.

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Oct 04 - 07:01 AM

I totally agree with the statment above
I think you will find that people involved with the fringe at Whitby think that they are the festival. It is also worthwhile to read articles on the Tap & Spile and the scratch morris team.

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: Malcolm Storey
Date: 17 Oct 04 - 08:02 PM

As already noted I am a mudcat virgin.

I find references to "mentioned above" to be meaningless.

I reiterate that most of the venues mentioned are, I am RELIABLY informed, only on the fringe of the main festival.

Statements such as "there is no difference between the official and the fringe events, they are all part of people enjoying themselves" are quite insulting to the people who give up most of their leisure time to organising the official events.

Pete Morton, for those not au fait with the folk music scene in the last twenty years, is a rather special chap. He is also very heavily in the frame to become the artistic director of Whitby Folk Week once the current director Malcolm Storey steps down.

Let it be!

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: Rasener
Date: 17 Oct 04 - 09:48 AM

Try this for Pete Morton

http://www.harbourtownrecords.com/morton.html

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: GUEST,Steve
Date: 17 Oct 04 - 03:45 AM

If you look in the Festival brochure you will see many sessions of various descriptions advertised in it. Some of the places mentioned above are in the brochure - I think thats official. Personally I make no distinction between festival and fringe - it is ALL "The Festival"
have fun.
Who's Pete Morton?

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: Malcolm Storey
Date: 16 Oct 04 - 08:23 PM

You will need to excuse me as I am a Mudcat virgin.
Been skipping through the bits about Whitby and most of the stuff seems to be about the fringe. Most of the places mentioned are not, so I am RELIABLY informed, part of the OFFICIAL festival although they are mostly supportive.

I am also RELIABLY informed that Pete Morton is in America at the moment and busy putting together a list of people he might like to ask to the 2005 event.

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: Wyrd Sister
Date: 03 Sep 04 - 04:51 PM

Abuwood - the Royal at Dungworth at carols time. Mind you, you might not realise it 'cos it would take at least half an hour and a diversion round the wrong side of the room!
Oh - and I tried it at Padstow this year, successfully I add.
Maybe we should start another thread?

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: brid widder
Date: 03 Sep 04 - 01:55 PM

phew that's a relief!!

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: Red and White Rabbit
Date: 03 Sep 04 - 01:24 PM

okay - I will be!!! Looking forward to seeing Dan again

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: mandomad
Date: 03 Sep 04 - 01:23 PM

Sorry folks,
      Wrong info'.    Thank goodness I got my facts all to cock!!!!



            mandomad

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: GUEST,Lady Aelfleda
Date: 03 Sep 04 - 07:01 AM

Not sure where Mandomad got his info from but Moor & Coast is going ahead next year. Dates are: 29/30 April and 1st May.
Guests booked so far are:
John Tams
Dan McKinnon
Anthony J Clarke

So - be there!

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 03 Sep 04 - 04:00 AM

Mandomad

What's this about Moor & Coast being cancelled, is this definite ? I'm sure there were posters for the 2005 event up during folk week

Raggy

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: Abuwood
Date: 02 Sep 04 - 02:27 PM

We only had a few days in Whitby but the flat is booked for a full week next year. We didn't get to all the places we intended T/S being one but we had a great time. Elsinor Wed lunch was amazing and thanks to the crowd who passed my glass and money to the bar and passed back a full pint! Where else could you do that in a crammed pub without loosing your money or your beer?
A great festival in a lovely town - only 51 weeks to go...

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: GUEST,Observer
Date: 02 Sep 04 - 02:08 PM

Exclusive singaround!!
No wonder I didn't find it. I spent all week looking for the "elusive" singaround. I went in the T/S I found a warm welcome from Landlady,Landlord and singaround hosts. I didn't have a "season ticket" but got a song none the less and listened to a couple of hours of wonderful singing.

As stated by many people now there are many many venues the T/S is a great one, but it may not suit everyone if it doesn't move and find one that does. But surely there is no need to make personal attack and derogatory comments on people who are, like everyone else, just trying to have a good time.

Thank you to all the venues I went to I had a wonderful week.

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: mandomad
Date: 02 Sep 04 - 01:36 PM

Yes, once again a brilliant Whitby Week. Found some great sessions, and played our hearts out in most of the usual spots. Wednesday on the Grand Turk started well, but deteriorated later...never mind , found a session in t'Endeavour.
    We don't go into the Front room of the Tap very often...(too smoky)...despite being Tap regulars, but have always been made welcome when we do. We prefer to be a "rough and rowdy" backroom frequenter.   I do admit to being those things on occasion, all right, many occasions, but most of my friends could not be described as that. I can't ever remember a night as you describe, Mike of N.,
and newcomers and quieter performers are always encouraged, as they have been in every session I've been to all week(in Endeavour, Middle Earth, and FILO.).   My lady of the Autoharp, Jingle could never be included in a rough or rowdy description !!!
    I also admit to enjoy accompanying everything that accompaniable(is that a word?) so would not be too welcome in the front room,
SORRY McFAT!!!
    Anyway a wonderful week as usual, they always are, can't wait till next year. It's just a shame that Moor & Coast Festival in May is not happening next time.

            mandomad

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: MikeofNorthumbria
Date: 02 Sep 04 - 08:40 AM

For a variety of reasons, I missed out on Whitby completely this year (and consequently will be suffering withdrawal symptoms for the next twelve months). But if the events (official and fringe)were as good as those in previous years, then all those of you who were lucky enough to be there have no cause for complaint.

Whitby has many spaces where people can play, sing, dance, or just sit and listen. In those spaces, a vast array of different kinds of entertainment can be found. If the first venue you sample is full up, or is providing something that you don't enjoy, there will be others only a few yards away offering something else.

Of all the venues in Whitby, the Tap and Spile is my favourite. The beer is superb, the staff are cheerful and efficient, and the crack is marvellous. In the big bar at the back, the tunes and songs tend to be old favourites, delivered in a rough and rowdy manner. Anyone who wants to contribute can usually do so - provided they push forward determinedly, and then charge into something familiar that gets everybody joining in quickly. However, it's not the place for shrinking violets to make their debut, or for new and esoteric material to be premiered.

Lots of people enjoy these back-bar sessions hugely. So do I - but not all night and every night. I also enjoy the sessions in the T&S's front bar, where the idea is to create space for something a bit more fragile. There, people who lack confidence but have something to offer are encouraged to come forward. And something unfamliar (whether it be an obscure traditional song, or a newly created composition) will get a fair hearing - even if it doesn't have a simple chorus that everybody can join in.

To make this possible requires a structure of some kind, with a few dedicated people working to keep that structure in place. Otherwise, the session would quickly become a smaller-scale version of what goes on in the back bar. Over the years, the people who organise the front bar sessions have developed a system that seems to work pretty efficiently. And judging by the perpetual congestion in their room, it seems to satisfy a lot of punters. Many come back year after year (myself included).

If one or two casual droppers-in (including The Guest Who Dare Not Speak His Name)find this structure incomprehensible, or objectionable, then there are many, many other venues in Whitby where they can find something different.   The attitude of TGWDNSHN seems comparable to that of a bloke who turns up to a snooker tournament carrying a bag of golf clubs, and then complains because the organisers won't let him bash the balls in his own way. This is an attitude that seems even more perverse when there is a very good golf course only a few yards away.

So, my best wishes to the MC's, the regular singers, and all the staff at the Tap and Spile - keep up the good work. All being well I will see you again in 2005.

Wassail!

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: Les from Hull
Date: 02 Sep 04 - 08:35 AM

Well said young Widder! I suppose that there are a two or three of things that could be said to be 'wrong' with the front room singarounds at the Tap 'n' Spile.

Yes, lots of people do know each other. I suppose that's inevitable for a singaround that's been there for 10 years, three times a year, and before that at the Duke of York and other places. So there's lots of jokes about things that've happened before. Newcomers can either choose to feel excluded, or ask a neighbour 'what's all that about, then?'. I'm sure that any fully paid-up member of 'the clique' will offer an explanation.

Yes, the room is too small or too popular. But if the room was larger it would lose its intimacy. So this means that sometimes you can't get in. Official venues have a steward who says 'sorry, it's full, you can't go in.' Sometimes the landlady has to do this (and it's her pub, remember. When Maggie and I go, we go early enough so that we can get a seat.

And, although the singaround encourages all sorts of music, the nature of the singaround tends to encourage English traditional-style singing with choruses. But nothing is excluded - I've even played a mellodeon in there. I've even played blues on a bouzouki in there. But don't expect a second song 'cos it takes over three hours to get round the room once!

We don't go in all the time 'cos we like to do other things as well. So we'll perhaps be in the Endeavour with other friends, doing more accompanied singing. Or we'll be in the Black Horse for a more intimate (and usually quite daft) session with other friends. Three afternoons we're out with Scratch Morris, entertaining the public and festival goers, and offending at least two dance people. And I'll have a diddley session in the Fisherman's Rowing Club and Maggie will have a look at the Harmony Singing workshop.

Whitby Folk Week is what you make of it.

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Sep 04 - 06:41 AM

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: Guy Wolff
Date: 01 Sep 04 - 08:05 PM

I would have been happy to stand in the streets and sing and play with friends if I could have gotten there and away from my very wonderful but crazy year.here at the pottery.Yes Susan there is still next year..

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: Sttaw Legend
Date: 01 Sep 04 - 07:46 PM

Well would you believe it, me and my mucka "hand pulled boy" went to play in the T&S (as we now affectionally call it) many times, well maybe three or four. Many people were avin sardine type fun. Having realised this we proceeded to another hostelry or three, and played a plenty. They still had fun and so did we. MY COMPLAINT is that you missed out on the chance to buy our new CD.
LOL, harriWattsband, see you next year
PM me if you want a copy.......

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: Susan of DT
Date: 01 Sep 04 - 06:49 PM

Now that Whitby 2004 is over, I will ask again about Whitby 2005. Will anyone have room in a cottage for Dick Greenhaus and me or does anyone want to go in with us on a cottage?

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: brid widder
Date: 01 Sep 04 - 06:41 PM

'charade that passes for a singaround '.... come on guest... if you really do know anywhere better tell the world!!

I spent a good deal of the week in the Tap.... I suppose I'm part of the so called 'exclusive' group...( although I have never to my knowledge allowed my purile rubbish to spoil anything!) I've been part of that group ever since my first ever visit...for New Year about 5 years ago... every visit I've seen more newcomers become friends on their first visit... This year was no exception.

Two 4 hour singarounds a day seven days = 56 hours... about 12 songs an hour... or thereabouts... 672 songs... and very few songs ever repeated throughout the week.

We had songs that made us laugh... songs that made us cry... chorus songs that had people passing by in the street applauding & joining in...we had old favourites and newly written songs we had poems too... many written by the performers, and visits from performers at the official festival. During each session Jude, Ken or Jim made sure everything was fair... On the whole everyone got one and only one song during each session... whether or not they were wearing a (JOKE) season ticket! Ken for example was in before the beginning of one evening session and only sung at the end four hours later.... egotistical?

And in addition to the etiquette mentioned by Sherry I would add that there are easy to follow rules within the room too... most are related to treating everyone with respect and paying attention to whoever is singing! I'm sure I won't be the only one to remember the powerful rendition of Ten Green Bottles... sung by Rowan.

I tried a singaround in the Endeavour... it was well underway when I arrived... I could see who was singing by the moving lips and by the attentive way everyone was looking in one direction but I couldn't get to the far side of the arch so was unable to actually hear the singing because of the noise behind me in the bar... I was in fact excluded... but not offended!! when it's full it's full!!

Thank's Jude, Sherry et al for another brilliant week... see you at new year.

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Sep 04 - 10:56 AM

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: GUEST,Pat
Date: 01 Sep 04 - 04:10 AM

I just want to say thanks to all at the tap for such an enjoyable festival. Its the place where I meet friends, some are ones I only see once a year, but they too have a place in my heart. The last night was particularly moving and I should have brought me hankie! Some of the songs just caught my emotions and my little cup overflowed. But I was not alone, many people were moist eyed. I think I said to Sherry that one of the good things about getting old was that Whitby week came round quicker. Love to all my friends, Pat xxxx

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Aug 04 - 07:05 PM

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: Leraud
Date: 31 Aug 04 - 04:27 PM

I went to Whitby for the first weekend and really enjoyed it. I could easily have settled in for the week and as there's a week between Broadstairs and Whitby next year, I hope to go for the duration.

I especially enjoyed the sessions run by Mo and Jo.

Lynne Heraud

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: vectis
Date: 31 Aug 04 - 03:47 PM

Just got home from a wonderful week in Whitby followed by a bit of touristing in Yorkshire with my larger half.
Really enjoyed the T&S this year and had some wonderful sings there. Thanks to Jude, eerehs and the bench for keeping us all in good order. One of the LEAST exclusive and most welcoming singarounds I've been to as a point of fact!
The maritime sings in the Endeavour were not merely good but also raised over £1200 for the Whitby Lifeboat (singing with meaning or what?) Thanks to Jim and Graeme for the craic and the emptied pockets.
Too many to thank individually for hosting the various playarounds during the week.
See you all next year...
...if we're spared

Mary

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 31 Aug 04 - 02:33 PM

Raggy

Congrats on your win - the raffle in the Endeavour was, of course, in aid of the Whitby lifeboat, as were the collections made there during Jim's singarounds the rest of the week. The picture is a print of the painting done from a photo!

I'd like to say a special thanks to all those in the Tap who nobly dug into their pockets a second time on Wednesday night, after Raggy had left, when (as winner of the Bad Shirt competition in the Endeavour at lunchtime) I passed the Bad Shirt Duck round...

Kitty

PS Graeme - at some point I will bring the BSD to Herga. Perhaps for Dave and Anni next week.....

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: Charliestu
Date: 31 Aug 04 - 01:43 PM

From the crowd at FILO Folk I'd like to say that my legal staff will be dealing with the whole affair!!!! I am suing you all for damage of the tonsils, bleeding fingures, enlarged liver, etc, etc.

On Sunday, Glaisdale was brilliant, my kind of folk; first time I've been there since I moved here 20 + years ago.
The usual FILO Tuesday night was .....great!, eight until late, plenty food, plenty music and song beer wasn't too bad either! The throng that turned up really enjoyed themselves, but did others know of the venue? Thursday, Friday was just as 'bad'.
Unfortunately, like most places, there is a limited amount of space available so you've got to make the effort (and it's up hill, literally) and as usual it's first come first served!
Many thanks to visitors (you know who you are! - and so do we!) and to the local musicians alike, for all their contributions over the three main nights.
FILO Folk (First In, Last Out) has been going on for almost 2 years -a place where singers and musicians can be heard and you can sing what you want to sing and please yourself, literally. When in town come visit, if you want to "Folk for pleasure visit FILO Folk" every Tuesday.....................Toodle pip!

CS

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Aug 04 - 12:18 PM

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: GUEST,graemeknights
Date: 31 Aug 04 - 08:23 AM

Hi Mr Raggy I can be contacted at yahoo.com for full details.
could post it here but that would be a real thread creep.

Many congratulations on your win and I am glad that an appreciative
soul such as yourself won it.

Grae

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 31 Aug 04 - 08:18 AM

Sorrry

For everyone is doesn't know what the hell we're talking about, In the Endevour on Friday the main raffle prizes was a print of the Whitby Lifeboat in a storm on it's way to the assistance of the "Corona" the mount had been signed by all the lifeboat crew

Geoff

Graeme said he would contact me with details, as yet he hasn't been on, but I'm sure he will as soon as he can, it sounded like he has a hectic schedule this weekend so he is probably still recovering. However I would like to find details of the crew of the lifeboat who all signed the mount, one ........ Evans-Storr is probably related to the cox of the lifeboat which was lost in 1860 with the lives of 12 men

Cheers

Raggy

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: GUEST,old git
Date: 31 Aug 04 - 08:00 AM

Would just like to reiterate all the positive comments about folk week

Paul , I think you got it absolutely right...couldn't have put it better myself.....do you think we could have a waffle day at next year's Endeavour sessions?

For various reasons I didn't go into the singarounds at the tap this year...though I did drink several pints at the bar....in the past I have always been warmly welcomed...as someone who runs singarounds at several festivals I can only say that the one at the tap is probably the least exclusive i've known....except perhaps for mine!!!!!!
So come on Anonymous Guest , Lineal et al...chill out....remember we all indulge in this pastime to ENJOY ourselves....there was so much else going on that week.....the FREE concert in the church at the top of the steps on Wednesday night was brilliant...I heard Kevin AND Helen Mitchell sing in a session at the Endeavour......what does it matter if you don't get to sing at every session...it's just as good to relax , drink , listen to others and join in choruses...and relax and drink...and relax......
by the way Raggy..Graeme Knights has all the details about the circumstances surrounding the picture

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 31 Aug 04 - 06:28 AM

Fran

You're quite right, the raffle prize was duly framed in Whitby on Saturday, I'm now trying to find a bit more info to adhere to the back of the frame with details of the call-out, which I believe was to the "Corona" out of Scarborough, but I don't know dates, times, crew etc

I'll PM you later from home with contact details

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: BeekeeperFran
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 07:21 PM

Raggytash

I have a contribution for the Runswick lifeboat, how do i get it to you? Should have given it to you last week but enjoyed the beer etc to much.Congrats on winning the raffle, we know you appreciate it.

Cheers
Fran

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 02:40 PM

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From: GUEST,Rodentred
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 02:18 PM

Lots to do throughout the week and the Plough singarounds that I attended were very good this year. Like the music in the T&S but now I know where Whitby smoked kippers come from. Those that were in there all week puffing away will spend this week bringing up the phlegm - not for me I am afraid.

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: alanww
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 01:47 PM

Sandy and I had a great festival in various singing and music venues, including one afternoon and three evenings in the Tap & Spile. The Endeavour and the Middle Earth were also excellent in the evenings and during the day the Conservative Club, Black Horse and Fleece were usually very good. In terms of the T&S, although I did not get an exclusive season ticket or day ticket and eerehs did exclude me one evening when I arrived at 10pm, I know that Julie does a brill job in running the SAR as fairly as it could be. The singing is also brill too!
Well done Julie and her assistants and well done eerehs in running a great pub, including having put on 700+ different real ales in 10 years!
I'll be back!
"Come fill up your glasses and let us be merry!"
Alan
PS It was also good to see many good friends, some of them Mudcatters and some of whom also went to the the T&S.

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: Rasener
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 11:18 AM

Don't know what all the fuss is about, you should all be thankful that you were able to attend.

Friends of mine (39 years standing) who have put so much into the folk scene over the years, not through singing but helping at folk festivals, are unable to attend the festivals anymore due to ill health. What they would give to be in your shoes. They are also or were directors of the Warwick Festival.

Mike Guise is now blind and needs a kidney transplant and Barb is riddled with arthritus, which stops either of them being able to travel any distance.

I think anybody that is prepared to help at any festival or folk club deserves a medal, not criticism. They are the un sung :-) heroes that allow things to happen. Whatever they do, there will always be somebody who is not happy or thinks they can do it better.

As Abraham Lincoln once said "you can please some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time" :-)

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: GUEST,Les in Chorlton
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 10:33 AM

6th Whitby and first for 21 years. Lots and lots of excellent music. Lots of incredible young talent. Loved it all. It seems much bigger than it was and lots more people play things. I went to the Gentle session in Middle Earth, packed to the pavement clearly a need for more of them. I also went to the quiet session with Mike?????? in the Rowing club, best session for learners, clearly a need for more like that. I went to some music workshops. With thw exception of the one led by Damien O'Kane it seemed unclear what was to be taught and music was unavailable. Very small gripes about a great festival.

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: wigan
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 06:46 AM

we went in't tap a few times,didn't like choice of music.went somewhere else. wot's the problem? also went in jollies, ship, horse, endeavour, middle earth, plough. allways found summat to enjoy. if you don't like one place at whitby,there's plenty others to visit.
had a good week. see you all next year

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: GUEST,ghost of Harry Corbett
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 06:00 AM

Sooty said

I really enjoyed having Jim's hand up my bum and though I was kept in a box most of the week I didnt feel like shooting my water pistol once at anyone.


Ghost of Harry Corbett

Two previous posts were from Sweep and Sooty

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: GUEST,sooty
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 05:58 AM

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From: GUEST,sweep/ bold slasher
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 05:57 AM

squeak squeak squeak

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: Red and White Rabbit
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 05:56 AM

Joke - Raggy!!

trying to lighten up an intense thread

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: Raggytash
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 05:24 AM

Susan ....... not guilty, this is the first time I've looked at the thread since before Folk Week and even now I can't see who's writing what, me thinks I have a virus
I am sure Jude, Ken, Jim and the gang know me well enough to know I call as spade a bleedin' shovel and would not put anything on as a Guest...... Furthermore how could I possibly slate the kindness of people who contributed so well to a collection for the Runswick Bay Rescue Boat (£30 in about 3 minutes)when you sang your song "The Eighth Wreck"

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: GUEST,Selby
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 05:07 AM

Whitby is about more than the Tap and Spile, that is part of the Fringe not the organised Festival. There are to my knowledge other issues in other Fringe sessions and it is wrong to pick on the Tap, leave individuals alone concentrate on the bigger picture and get the thread back to WHITBY Folk Festival, not petty arguments about who did what in any fringe venue.You can always vote with your feet and wallet.
Keith (Selby)

Subject: RE: WHITBY !!
From: Red and White Rabbit
Date: 30 Aug 04 - 04:45 AM

well guest I am really pleased you found somewhere better - I hope we didnt spoil your week in Whitby and that you enjoyed the rest of your time there. Whitby is about having fun and I would hate to think that our purile entertainment had spoilt it for you. I hope you return to the festival next year with happy memories of what you did do and can seek out the same sorts of venues and people.

I dont think the landlady of the Tap needs to keep custom during folk week running out of beer and three deep at the bar is never a bad sign
I know a lot of people dont like the landlord and land lady of the Tap but they have always been good to me and I can only speak as I find.

I am sure you will manage to avoid us at the other festivals we ruin for you up north or elsewhere in the country. We would try to keep out of your way if we knew who you were but since we dont the onus is on you to avoid us - unless of course you wear a badge that says "angry guest from Whitby Thread"

( Raggy if you carry on with these annonymous inputs to inflame people I will refues to have your babies!)