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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: Amos Date: 04 Jun 08 - 05:29 PM The "unity" of the Democratic effort between now and November does not require Hillary being the Vice Presidential candidate. It requires everyone clear their minds of garbage, baggage, bias, prejudice, and lizard-think, and impose a task on themselves to examine how to bring about the best available result. That (IMHO) is what good democratic process is all about. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: Joe Offer Date: 04 Jun 08 - 04:20 PM
Oh - and you're not deleted for "provocative opinions" - it's for personal attacks and general nastiness. Rational opinions are welcome here, no matter what side of the fence they're on. Nastiness and bullying, we can do without. Speak your mind, but don't attack people. OK, now back to the discussion. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: katlaughing Date: 04 Jun 08 - 03:54 PM I agree with Jimmy Carter. I hope Obama is listening. Caroline Kennedy is one of the people advising him on VP choices. It should be interesting! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: maire-aine Date: 04 Jun 08 - 03:49 PM First choice for VP: John Edwards Second choice for VP: Bill Richardson Secretary of State: Joe Biden First Supreme Court vacancy: Hillary Clinton Secretary of Defense: Jim Webb |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: Wesley S Date: 04 Jun 08 - 03:16 PM Here's a story from CNN: (CNN) — A host of prominent Democrats are pushing for an Obama-Clinton unity ticket — but Jimmy Carter isn't one of them. The former president, who publicly endorsed Barack Obama shortly before polls closed Tuesday in the final two primary states, told a London newspaper that a joint ticket between the two former rivals would be "the worst mistake that could be made." "That would just accumulate the negative aspects of both candidates," Carter told the Guardian, saying that both candidates' vulnerabilities could overshadow that the ticket if the two team up together. "If you take that 50 percent who just don't want to vote for Clinton and add it to whatever element there might be who don't think Obama is white enough or old enough or experienced enough or because he's got a middle name that sounds Arab, you could have the worst of both worlds," he said. This is not the first time the former president has expressed doubt in the success of a unity ticket. Speaking at a Houston event late last month, Carter called the prospect "highly unlikely," and said other potential picks could better serve the Illinois senator. "I think it would be highly unlikely for Obama to ask her to take it," he said then. "Because I don't see how it would help his ticket. I think he needs somebody like a [former Georgia Sen.] Sam Nunn, but I won't name others. But I think if he asked her, she would take it." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: irishenglish Date: 04 Jun 08 - 03:13 PM Thread drift alert-"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering? I think so Brain, but how are we going to get monkey's to use dental floss?!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: katlaughing Date: 04 Jun 08 - 03:10 PM That's the perfect analogy of them, Alice! Except I like P&B and don't think they are inherently evil!**bg** |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: Alice Date: 04 Jun 08 - 03:08 PM The cartoon's famous tagline is: Pinky: "Gee Brain, what do you want to do tonight?" The Brain: "The same thing we do every night, Pinky- try to take over the world." THANK GOODNESS WE ARE SOON DONE WITH BUSH/CHENEY. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: Alice Date: 04 Jun 08 - 03:06 PM Bush and Cheney remind me of the cartoon mice Pinky and the Brain. Every episode was the Brain talking about his plan to "take over the world!!!!". The Brain looks and acts like Cheney, and Pinky acts like Bush. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinky_and_the_Brain |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: katlaughing Date: 04 Jun 08 - 02:58 PM Bobert, why feed such trolling? She left on her own anyway: Subject: RE: Hillary's Offensive, Dangerous Comment From: GUEST,Fantasma - PM Date: 24 May 08 - 03:48 PM Outta here for good. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: Bert Date: 04 Jun 08 - 02:57 PM That doesn't say much for the American people Kendall. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: kendall Date: 04 Jun 08 - 02:46 PM We all have opinions, none is more valid than another. Now, let's look at a bit of history...No anti war candidate has ever won the White House. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: GUEST,Nostradammit Date: 04 Jun 08 - 02:42 PM If he chooses Clinton he will win the presidency. Then after a reasonable length of time they will "Diana" him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: Little Hawk Date: 04 Jun 08 - 12:33 PM Chongo Chimp for sure. Obama would be foolish to overlook the primate vote in this election. And Hillary? Secretary of State or some similar influential post. Chongo would serve as an excellent buffer between the Clintons and Obama and he would know very well how to negotiate in that position, plus he can provide his own security. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: George Papavgeris Date: 04 Jun 08 - 12:26 PM For someone who doesn't give a shit, Fantasma can't keep its hands off the keyboard - 14 posts no less. Then it calls leaving out Hillary Clinton "unwise", only to say later that "they deserve each other". Nothing like holding on to one's views steadfastly, then. Must be a slow day at Ghostbusters Inc. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: mg Date: 04 Jun 08 - 12:20 PM all the more reason she shouldn't be VP. I don't think you can fire a VP. Oh please not her for VP. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: Peace Date: 04 Jun 08 - 12:19 PM Got a job as a human cannonball. Was hired and fired on the same day. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 04 Jun 08 - 12:17 PM I think it's VP or nothing for Hillary. I don't see why an imcumbent Senator from a large important state where she's very likely to be re-elected next time around would want to swap that kind of power and job security for a cabinet-level job where she'd be subject to being fired for any reason her boss sees fit. If Hillary were to accept a cabinet position and get dumped from it, she'd have a hard time either regaining her Senate seat or taking another stab at the Presidency. Also, I don't think Obama would relish the possibility of having to fire Mrs. Clinton. The perception of payback would be there, even if the firing were fully justifed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: Rapparee Date: 04 Jun 08 - 12:17 PM Pardon my cynicism, but the if the voters want a Democratic administration they'd better be prepared to vote the Democratic ticket, regardless of the VP candidate. You can't split your vote, and the original plan of "winner=prez, runner-up=VP" was tossed back around 180something. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: GUEST,dianvan Date: 04 Jun 08 - 12:01 PM Obama has his choice of several good candidates: Edwards, Richardson or Clinton. The question is, who does the Party want? My guess is Clinton. Clinton/Obama would be a sweep but I'd be a little nervous if I were Obama. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: Bill D Date: 04 Jun 08 - 11:42 AM Sure is a lot of reading between my lines... I never said Obama might not find a Washington Insider to help as VP...I said he didn't need someone who would demand the powers that Cheney got....which Billary might do. I suspect that Obama is smart enough to know that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: irishenglish Date: 04 Jun 08 - 11:29 AM Fantasma, you must be the only person who would bother to type out VEEPEE when most of us use VP-wonder why? Personally I think Richardson. If Hillary Clinton wishes to try her hand again, she will not want to be second fiddle. Incidentally, as someone pointed out this morning, because of this long Democratic nomination process, the one good thing for Obama is that he now has infastructure in place in all 50 states. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: mg Date: 04 Jun 08 - 11:18 AM Absolutely there should be no pretend deals where he pretends to offer it to her and she declines. First of all, I wouldn't trust her to keep her end of the bargain. She probably would trick him and then accept and then shame on him for being dumb. It is not like this is a big secret. And it is dishonest. He should call her and say I am going to make another choice for VP but I will give you H&W. And he had better have a firm committment from his selected VP and announce it immediately. If she needs an explanation, he can say he doesn't think they would work that well together on a personal level and leave it at that. She is owed nothing. Her voters can be spoken to directly and a woman offered the slot..someone without her baggage and character constellation. Oh, and not Rendell. That man seems like a bully to me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: Bobert Date: 04 Jun 08 - 11:18 AM I really hate to point this out but John Edwards didn't even carry North Carolina when he ran with Kerry on '04... Actually, I could live with Hillary if Bill was placed under house arrest up in New York for the next 8 years... He's gotten way too cranky... Sorry, Fantz, that you got censored... I never minded you calling me names... Okay, callin' me a "sexist" was over the top but, hey??? I been called worse... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: GUEST,Fantasma Date: 04 Jun 08 - 10:45 AM Sorry WesleyS, but I don't have a reference to hand, and I'm off to work. Also Carter/Kennedy. Kennedy was EXTREMELY bitter about the way Carter played it out--so much so, he wouldn't campaign for the ticket in the general. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: Wesley S Date: 04 Jun 08 - 10:39 AM "but he has been very clear that he {Edwards} doesn't want that job." I've missed those references. Is there a link you can provide for that? And speaking of mortal enemies don't leave out Kennedy and Johnson. That was a classic combo. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: GUEST,Fantasma Date: 04 Jun 08 - 10:26 AM I know a lot of people would like to see Edwards as AG, but he has been very clear that he doesn't want that job. And in politics, it often doesn't matter who you don't want as VEEPEE. It becomes a question of who you have to take. Think Reagan/Bush I. Mortal enemies, who were forced to mesh their campaigns to win. Gave birth to the Bush/Cheney monster. And Obama will have the Clintonistas mercilessly on him as long as he is in power, for the rest of all of their natural born lives. The Clintons aren't going anywhere, despite misogynist fantasies to the contrary here. But hey--keep voting Republicrat as usual if you want to keep America safe for your endangered and badly outmoded way of life. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: Wesley S Date: 04 Jun 08 - 10:20 AM I'd like to see Edwards as Attorney General. He can do a lot of good things there to help fight corporate greed. As far as VP it would make sense to me to offer it to Bill Richardson. I think he's be an asset demographically. I can't imagine that Obama would want Hillary as his VP. He'll offer her a cabinet position of some sort - maybe HEW - but he won't want her and Bill at his back for the next four years. But my guess is that the VP will be offered to someone under the radar. We'll see. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: Amos Date: 04 Jun 08 - 10:17 AM BEcause Fantz ripped it out when she started to realize ti might apply to her. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: GUEST,Fantasma Date: 04 Jun 08 - 10:15 AM Aw, thanks Bobert. But don't thank me. Thank the Mudcat censors for not deleting my posts and blocking my access, like they have been doing routinely for months now when I say something too provocative about Catholicism or politics for their sensitive egos to handle. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: GUEST,Fantasma Date: 04 Jun 08 - 10:13 AM Try the Cambodian creole urban slang dictionary. :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: Peace Date: 04 Jun 08 - 10:11 AM Gullibe isn't in the dictionary. Why is that? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: Bobert Date: 04 Jun 08 - 10:10 AM Welcome back, Fantz... This ol' hillbilly been missin' you... B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: GUEST,Fantasma Date: 04 Jun 08 - 10:04 AM So now after all these years of referring to the Republicrats as a greed machine Donuel, you have decided they are The Good Guys? Man, are YOU gullible. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: Donuel Date: 04 Jun 08 - 10:02 AM Polarized Party? Jeez Louise, everyone knows that Will Rodger put it best back in 1918, "I don't belong to any organized political parties...I am a Democrat"" One can take some solice in that. The group intelligence is always better than an individual or the dogma of a greed machine. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: GUEST,Fantasma Date: 04 Jun 08 - 09:56 AM And several million Democrats only get half a vote. But I digress. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: Peace Date: 04 Jun 08 - 09:53 AM Thing is, most folks have just one vote. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: Donuel Date: 04 Jun 08 - 09:53 AM Just to give Hillary a caniption fit... Barak could float a trial balloon regarding Condi Rice as VP! boy oh boy, am I mean or what? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: GUEST,Fantasma Date: 04 Jun 08 - 09:35 AM I wouldn't be so sure about Obama not needing a Washington insider as VeePee, BillD. I really think he will need one if he is to have any success whatsoever as president. It is still a damn polarized party in a damn polarized town. What the ticket needs is someone with VERY long coattails, to sweep Democrats into power a la Tony Blair and New Labour. Which was something neither Obama or Clinton could do on their own, but might just be able to pull off together. That is, if the American voters turn out to be less misogynist than they have proven to be so far. There is a real risk to putting her on the ticket, for sure. But many a nominee has put "the enemy" on as VeePee and locked them safely out of the West Wing. Why, it is a time honored tradition in American politics! And if the gambit pays off, the Dems could win back the White House and both houses of Congress by a landslide! Think of that! I really doubt that will happen in this economy with two endless wars the public hates going on, but there you have it. The "politics as usual" dream team! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: GUEST,Fantasma Date: 04 Jun 08 - 09:30 AM Besides, no matter who the VeePee is, they will double the Secret Service detail. Sorry to ruin the joke, but it really isn't all that funny when you think about it, now is it? Or is this the race/gender double standard of Obama's peeps we've all come to know so well this campaign season. You know the ones I'm talking about. The ones who howl when RFK was mentioned by Clinton being construed as a "suggestion" that Obama be assassinated? I see it doesn't really cut both ways, as jokes about assassinating Hillary are just fine, right boys? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: Bill D Date: 04 Jun 08 - 09:29 AM Even Tom Brokaw said that he 'hears' that if VP is offered, she would accept it. I suspect that having 2 Clintons in the #2 seat would be more awkward than having them as president. Obama doesn't need a Dick Cheney behind him, wanting 'special' powers. Bush did. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: GUEST,Fantasma Date: 04 Jun 08 - 09:27 AM No, but the Republican right wing nuts are. And a few of the Democratic party right wing nuts too, now that I think of it--you know, those types that shoot all the women in the room on college campuses...murder Amish school girls by firing squad. Those sorts of fellas. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 04 Jun 08 - 09:24 AM I heard a comment that if Hilary is VP, the number of Secret Service agents will have to be doubled. Surely Obama isn't afraid of her THAT much... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: GUEST,Fantasma Date: 04 Jun 08 - 09:23 AM That isn't what all the propaganda puppet pundits are saying, Beer. They are (mostly--with the exception of Howard Fineman last night on the TEEVEE) all saying there is a very real expectation that Obama MUST offer it to her, and be willing to accept her as his running mate. As to the "playing second fiddle" thing--silly. Is Cheney a second fiddle? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: Beer Date: 04 Jun 08 - 09:20 AM What I'm saying is that she will not be happy playing second fiddle. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: GUEST,Fantasma Date: 04 Jun 08 - 09:17 AM Angry women are the backbone of the Democratic party though, Beer. So what are you saying? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: Beer Date: 04 Jun 08 - 09:14 AM John Edwards. Please not Hillary. There is nothing worst than an angry woman and I believe she is just that. No offense mudcat ladies. Beer (adrien) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: Ebbie Date: 04 Jun 08 - 09:10 AM John Edwards or Jim Webb X (crossed fingers) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: GUEST,Fantasma Date: 04 Jun 08 - 09:10 AM Actually, I hope Obama does get stuck with Hillary. They deserve each other. I can't quite decide which one wins the venality and blind ambition sweepstakes. Like the voters, I guess I'll call it a draw. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08??? From: John MacKenzie Date: 04 Jun 08 - 09:08 AM Ah, there's nothing like a nice well balanced point of view. and That's nothing like a nice well balanced point of view. Fantasma of the Operator |
