So thats seth lakeman is it

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: JohnB
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 08:48 PM

Personally I don't know much about him or his music BUT he did get played today on CBC radio in Canada. SO he can't be Folk!
Sounded a bit poppy to me.
JohnB

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Scrump
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 08:20 AM

Well, I'm young enough that one of the new CDs I bought last week was the chart topping new Kaiser Chiefs' album. But the other was the Bryan Ferry CD of Dylan covers that is number 5. Bryan is slightly closer to my age than Ricky Martin (or Seth). I seemed to be one of the younger people at last week's Joan Baez gig (which was a fantastic night out), but I was one of the oldest at the previous months Russell Brand one. Bet I'll be one of the oldest at Jimmy Carr on Saturday too!

Good for you, GUEST,Keith. Glad to see you're not letting your age stop you from enjoying all sorts of music or comedy, etc.

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: GUEST,Keith
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 08:12 AM

Well, I'm young enough that one of the new CDs I bought last week was the chart topping new Kaiser Chiefs' album. But the other was the Bryan Ferry CD of Dylan covers that is number 5. Bryan is slightly closer to my age than Ricky Martin (or Seth). I seemed to be one of the younger people at last week's Joan Baez gig (which was a fantastic night out), but I was one of the oldest at the previous months Russell Brand one. Bet I'll be one of the oldest at Jimmy Carr on Saturday too!

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: pirandello
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 08:12 AM

Someone earlier (Shimrod?) said he was fed up with folk music being 'buggered about with' by 'trendies'.
Well I've got news for him-every 'traditional' tune has been buggered about with for centuries-just look at how many different versions there are of many of them. Folk music didn't stop in 1650 or 1829 or whenever but evolved and continues to do so, thankfully.
And while I'm at it why do so many traditionalists adopt a strange, nasal singing style with peculiar accents?
How do they know what constitutes being 'authentic'? They weren't around in 1747 and so have absolutely no idea how the song was sung.
Like most folk music which wasn't written down songs were passed on verbally and, naturally, they change over time.
So, someone explain please what constitutes tradition; hell, even 'folk' music. What's that then?

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 07:41 AM

See? Keith came to see Seth, and walked away a Billy Bragg fan! Nice to have confirmation that all these youngsters are benefitting from Seth making folk more accessible!

*takes tongue out of cheek*

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Scrump
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 07:28 AM

Incidentally how do I use underline on a mudcat posting?

Like this of course!

It's the variety that makes folk music so vibrant. From shantymen to singer-songwriters, we should embrace (though not necessarily enjoy)it all!

Well said, GUEST,Wayne.

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: GUEST,Keith
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 07:19 AM

The funny thing is that of the 12 tracks on Freedom Fields,about 10 are pleasant folk songs of either the contemporary or tradional variety. That nine people of the "experts" on John Leonard's rather excentrically chosen panel then decided to nominate one of the 2 tracks that had instead been given a "pop" makeover to achieve better general radio play as "best tradional song" was just laughable.

It is noteworthy however that the King & Country, the third single extracted from Freedom Fields was not "popped-up" and promptly sank without trace. It did not even trouble the Top 75, let alone the Top 40, which The Lady Of The Sea and The White Hare just missed. While Seth has had a (so far) brief huge success in "folk" terms, what he has achieved so far in music industry terms is pretty small. I predict that once EMI decide he is not "the next" KT Tunstall, Damien Rice, David Gray or James Blunt they will get bored and you'll find Seth will naturally gravitate back towards the "folk" scene. It has happened to plenty before him.

I quite like listening to Seth for a change of tempo, but he is not my listening of choice. One CD's worth is fine, but if you listen to Kitty Jay and Freedom Fields back to back they almost sound like the same double album, and far too many of the songs do sound the same. But hey, I'm someone that went along to a Seth gig last year expecting to have to "put up" with his "support" Billy Bragg and came away hugely impressed with the latter.

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: English Jon
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 06:39 AM

Oh dear.

Vanilla will always be the most popular flavour.

The polarisation of opinion is incredible -

In Seth's favour, he is doing a lot to raise the profile of "folk"

even if what he's doing isn't actually folk music. (or is it?)

Give him a break - if he wants to make commercial records, why not let him?

Cheers,
Jon

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 04:53 AM

Thanks Ruth, I googled, which of course is what I should have done before I replied .
Off Thread a mo. Did I read that Google were objecting to the verb use of "to google", in the context I just used it?
Must go, got to "hoover" the floor in my "caravanette"

Andy

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Folkiedave
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 04:06 AM

Not my cup of tea as far as music goes, but a smashing lad and I am delighted he has become an overnight success after all these years. Good luck to him and of one person comes to traditional folk via Seth that'll be all to the good.

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 03:57 AM

Further to Gargoyle:
So I looked it up on google:-
"heads up -- As in "Giving you a heads-up" - Forewarning someone (usually a superior) of an impending event, where they would otherwise suffer negative consequences, had it not been for your selfless vigilance and concern for their well-being."

'Twould appear to be a compliment.

Ta

My partner often reminds me I am safe 'cos she has got the cushion ready for when I fall off my high horse, but sometimes things just have to be said.

Andy

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 03:56 AM

Miskin man, Gargoyle is thanking you for considerately bringing this matter to his attention.

Transatlantic translation is my specialist subject.

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 13 Mar 07 - 03:50 AM

Gargoyle: Don't mention it. Whatever a heads up is? Across the pond expression perhaps? Am I insulted or complimented? Ah life is but one mystery followed by a conundrum followed by a "wassat?"!

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 08:24 PM

Another example of UK - hype.

Mr. Misken

THANK YOU for the "Heads Up"!!!

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Folkiedave
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 07:33 PM

Girls, girls, please no arguing over Louis Killen's firm young white and 70 year old body.

My friend who shall for reasons of propriety have to remain anonymous will undoubtedly fight you for the privilege of either new or repeat performances.

We need a venue, a ticket seller, and a bookie.

My friend is a redhead and was a close and meaningful friend in the sixties. She is also a Geordie by birth.

My money is on her........................

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 07:04 PM

*prepares to bitchslap Surreysinger over her illicit kitchen interlude with Louis Killen*

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 06:42 PM

Louis Killen can quite easily be excepted though as an English concertina is just about as good as a violin. And if he promises to lay off the C&W.

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: GUEST,Canadienne
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 06:40 PM

I vote for Tom McConville as recommended by shhhhhh you know who :)

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 06:36 PM


Anyone who can play the fiddle and sing at the same time gets my vote

Not quite anyone.

Eliza Carthy
Nancy Kerr
Elle Osborne
Jackie Oates
Gina Le Faux
Carole Pegg

really aren't my type.

And definitely not Phil Beer

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Surreysinger
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 06:15 PM

Blowz - Ruth ... cool it girls! Dare I mention here spending a very pleasant hour or so chatting to him in the kitchen at the last National at Sutton Bonington over a coffee ... or is that fighting talk too??? (And I'm not saying what age I've reached or may be about to ...chuckle chuckle...)

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 05:24 PM

Anyone who can play the fiddle and sing at the same time gets my vote!!!

Not easy!!!

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 04:16 PM

I haven't - but I could work on earning one!

:D

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Blowzabella
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 04:07 PM

Alright, Ruth - outside - now!!! (Have you got a photo signed 'Thank you for the good times ...??? - No - thought not!) Nyar nyar!

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: GUEST,Wayne
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 04:07 PM

When somebody can tell me what folk music is, I might be able to accept that Seth Lakeman doesn't qualify, but it seems to me, by the time we have to bar everyone who fails to fit within the narrow boudaries certain posters want to lay down, we would be left with a very dreary scene.

It's the variety that makes folk music so vibrant. From shantymen to singer-songwriters, we should embrace (though not necessarily enjoy)it all!

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 04:03 PM

I think Louis Killen's dishy.

But I'm rapidly approaching a certain age.

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Blowzabella
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 03:55 PM

Whaddya mean 'Women of a certain age!!!' What certain age d'ya think I am?? (Be careful - VERY carfeul!) Louis is lovely - and my husband likes him too (and he knows he is my pin-up - my husband, that is - Louis might know it too - I can't remember).

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Folkiedave
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 03:29 PM

I have to tell you there are some women of a certain age who will fight you for him!!

And at least one I know is going for a repeat performance!!

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 03:26 PM

Oh I've tried, God how I've tried and the best I can come up with is that Mr Lakeman, Sir, I think that's what Lizzie is after, is a singer. Oh he also scrapes a fiddle. I will freely admit I have only seen the clips recommended by his number one fan but then they must be him at his peak surely. I really, really will be making an effort to catch him live, it is obviously a powerful performance. But on the bits I have seen I stand by my original comment and the reason I started this thread in the first place : Anothjer Pop artist who's lost his way.
Here's a clue to my thinking. Good folk songs are carried by content, the quality of the singers voice and certainly any pop music like affectations are usually to the detriment of the song. Once I become aware of how good a singer thinks he sounds the spell is broken for me. Now this is not that I don't appreciate a good voice - Mick Ryan makes me quiver when he holds those long deep notes. But he sings as if he just happens to have a good voice. He uses his voice to show the song not the other way around as is the way with the pop world. Which of course is why most performers in that idiom all sound like their first hit. For example, The Mavericks, brilliant first hit but then a lot of copies.
Gotta go, need to think of a controversial thread to start,seem to have failed with this one!!!!!!!
(whoops, one ! is quite enough I believe)
Incidentally how do I use underline on a mudcat posting? (???)
Andy

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Blowzabella
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 02:56 PM

I'm sorry but it i sLouis Killen does it for me every time - I've even got a picture of him by my desk with 'Thank you for the good times, love Louis' - I'm saying nowt!!!

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 02:43 PM

what about the hare pie at Hallaton on Easter Monday?

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Folkiedave
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 02:37 PM

Dead Hares cannot be offered for sale between 1st March and 31st July.

Not many people know that. But it does mean we can't have jugged or any other sort of hare from now on for while.

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: GUEST,Sparticus
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 02:32 PM

countess richard

Get thee to a bunnery!

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Surreysinger
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 12:46 PM

Was it supposed to be the rabbit fancier's pink ears, or the bunny's that were on loan??? Methinks... quoth she....

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 12:42 PM

Friends, Romans, rabbit fanciers
Lend me your long, pink ears
I come to bury the Lakeperson, not to praise him.
The evil that some men do to their fiddles lives after them
The good was interred when the bunny bones were filleted
For the pie at the Brewery table.
So let it be with the Lakeperson.

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: GUEST,Henry Hotspur
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 12:31 PM

>>Tsk, not even a passing semblance to the work of Mr W Shakespeare<<

That can be remedied

Speak of Seth Lakeman!
'Zounds, I will speak of him; and let my soul
Want mercy, if I do not join with him:
Yea, on his part I'll empty all these veins,
And shed my dear blood drop by drop in the dust,
But I will lift the down-trod Seth lakeman
As high in the air as this unthankful hare,
As this ingrate and canker'd white bunny.

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 12:22 PM

Shimrod:
Maniacal laughter is spelt
WOOH HOOH HOOH HOOH HUH HUH HUH HAH HAAH

Breathy and gutteral delivery for best effect.

I'm glad this thread is getting sensible again.

A.

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 12:04 PM

Ahem. I have not taken to literary self criticism.
The remark above was intended for a piece of doggerel which has vanished.

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 12:01 PM

Tsk, not even a passing semblance to the work of Mr W Shakespeare.
Marks for verse composition: 0/10
Parody of rhyme, metre and language 0/10
Must try harder.

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 11:02 AM

Fuck fuck the winter duck
Is a song by Show of Hands
A bit like Lakeman's bunny song
That Leonard loved despite the pong
Of newly-written still wet ink
Oh sing like the winter wind
Heigh-ho! sing heigh-ho
Unto the green holly

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 10:46 AM

..riend

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 10:45 AM

With every written scream and shout
and every personal attack
it's for themselves they bitch and lie
and for Seth Lakeman not a f...

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Peace
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 10:19 AM

I noticed that it's snowing out,
That winter drove away the ducks,
The geese are gone, now so am I
For winter and this thread both suck.

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 09:28 AM

Hi Scrump,

Do you think that you could see your way clear to calling me 'vicious' and 'depraved'? You see I'm really getting into this being 'evil' business and am thinking of taking it up as a career - I think that the above two words might look quite good on my CV.
I'm already thinking ahead to my new post and am planning something very, very wicked - like criticising someone's taste in music - AAAAHHHHAAAAHHHAAAAHA!!!!!!!! (that's a maniacally evil laugh, by the way - must work on that).

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 08:34 AM

>>>I told Jacey you had become a fan. You'll never guess what - they have disbanded!!!!!!!<<<

Nah...you'll have to do better than that Dave! Artisan disbanded ages ago! Even I knew that!!

Still great to hear their music though.

Come on...type faster...you're getting left behind! Chuckle!

I don't use real names unless others have first put them down themselves by the way....

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: GUEST,Keith
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 08:30 AM

There are 112 videos if you do a search for "Seth Lakeman" on YouTube.

I think the YouTube complaining system requires the complainer to be the actual copyright owner and say they are. It obviously does work to some degree because you occasionally find the message that content has been removed because of a complaint. Normally you see that happen mainly on TV footage. There were a whole load of clips of The Brits that got taken off when ITV or the BPI complained. The BBC also seem to have had a bit of a purge recently. The infamous Jonathan Ross interview with David Cameron has dissapeared, along with several other things that had ben there for ages. I guess that is probably all part of the BBC now having an official deal to provide YouTube with official content.

Yes, the sound quality on many mobile phone originated clips is downright diabolical!

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Folkiedave
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 08:16 AM

First of all making references to real names was your speciality.

But I wanted to talk to you about Artisan.

I told Jacey you had become a fan. You'll never guess what - they have disbanded!!!!!!!

Now look what you have done....

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 08:13 AM

When Google acquired YouTube late last year they undertook to remove any illegally shot footage where an artist's rights have been flouted. There is a form on the YouTube site for submitting details of breaches of copyright and of piracy.

Can't imagine the Lakeperson management being thrilled at this being uploaded. The sound is so bad that every word is unintelligible, though this is not helped by very poor diction.

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 08:08 AM

Actually...if Seth plays Dallas he HAS to play in the shower doesn't he? He just HAS to!

Look...here he is..and Dave..this is 'official' and all, so you can watch this one..

'Lady Of The Sea'

Seth In The Rain...Otherwise known as SASSY FOLK MUSIC

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 08:07 AM

As a sideline, people might like to know that Eliza Carthy is also at SXSW this year. Good on her!

Subject: RE: So thats seth lakeman is it
From: GUEST,Norman Bates
Date: 12 Mar 07 - 08:05 AM

For fucks sake Lizzie Rooter or whatever your name is, when will you ever learn not to try and fill the WHOLE fucking board up with just YOUR bloody stupid incessant drivel, just for once why don't you try keeping it short and to the point, you really should seek help.