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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 19 May 09 - 04:58 AM Oh...and I have to go out for about 3 hours now, sooooo....just in case The Revealing should happen shortly, I thought I'd best let you know, as I didn't want you sitting there, thinking I was sitting here in stunned shock... ;0) In the meantime, to keep you entertained....:0) |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 19 May 09 - 04:53 AM Well, I guess if they'd asked your advice, they'd be doing floor spots, with fingers in their ears, turning out the same old traditional songs, song after song after song.. As it is, they went their own way, wrote their OWN songs, played traditional ones with a vibrancy never heard before and...instead of staying part of a tiny, narrow minded world, they expanded the English Folk World beyond even their belief... And they did it THEIR way, not yours. Maybe The Spirits kept the three of you apart for a reason.... Fate, huh? ;0) |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: The Borchester Echo Date: 19 May 09 - 04:40 AM I don't suppose the entity that is SoH would have risen to top the South-West pub circuit if they'd asked my advice on whether they should try it because I'd have said no, stick to what you do well. However, having not done a gig since the early 70s I'd look askance at anyone silly enough to seek my views on how to perform. Commentators don't advise, they analyse. Not that it takes much of that to recognise that Beer & Knightley avoid going broke by underplaying what they might achieve musically because they have a ready-made audience that laps it up. Still, who can envisage what alternative careers in other branches of the creative arts might await them? |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 19 May 09 - 04:16 AM It constantly eludes me how Show of Hands have risen to the top of the Folk World, gaining the respect of so many tens of thousands of people, so many other fine musicians, helping so many young traditional artists up the ladder, without ONCE taking your advice... Strange, huh? |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: theleveller Date: 19 May 09 - 04:12 AM 2the two most hated characters in Britain (the House of Commons speaker and madlizziecornish)2 Oh, how fickle! Have we forgotten Fred Goodwin already? And then, of course, there's that most unpleasnat of people, UKIP MEP, Godfrey Bloom. UGH! |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: The Borchester Echo Date: 19 May 09 - 04:10 AM no-one ever went broke underestimating the British public Sadly true. It constantly eludes me why SoH feel they need to pander to the lowest common denominator when, individually, they are fine musicians capable of infinitely better. I can understand the dark one not wanting to go back to giving guitar lessons to Polly Harvey but they could surely devise other ways of not actually going broke yet preserving some integrity. |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: glueman Date: 19 May 09 - 03:56 AM Joe G, the only reason I voiced an opinion on the band was because they seem to have slipped under the net as 'interesting' or even 'the future of folk' to which I can't top Gervase's opinion above. They are the 'Hooked on Classics' of the folk world, folk for people who hate folk music but then, no-one ever went broke underestimating the British public. Roots is both patronising and distasteful but exploits a ready audience - the one that says people can't make up their own mind what they listen to, that imported music is bad and there's still an homogenous English culture if only we could recognise it and that culture resembles 'Roots'. That's just laughable - and slightly scary. Nations that keep inherited cultural values do so because they are easily identifiable and have strong 'roots'. For me, those roots do not resemble a Daily Mail editorial. |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 19 May 09 - 03:51 AM "That would be the long-range weather report for the South-West in August?" Nope. :0) |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: GUEST,Captain Jack Sparrow Date: 19 May 09 - 03:45 AM If Sidmouth floods, I expect to leave you standing on the beach with absolutely no name at all, watching me sail away on my ship and then I'll shout the name back to you. Savvy? |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: The Borchester Echo Date: 19 May 09 - 03:40 AM That would be the long-range weather report for the South-West in August? |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 19 May 09 - 03:37 AM Ah, but you don't know what I already know... ;0) |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: The Borchester Echo Date: 19 May 09 - 03:20 AM Now that's all sorted, I look out of the window as a new day dawns and watch the two most hated characters in Britain (the House of Commons speaker and madlizziecornish) whooshing off to oblivion in a one-way spacecraft. Hope someone's remembered to pack their vilest CD selections in the hold. Only one question for the Sidmouth organisers: you have taken all possible flood precautions? Haven't you? |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 18 May 09 - 08:58 PM "I wish I could be there to see the look on your face when you find out who it was that said..." You should have been here to see my face when I read your message. |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: Tug the Cox Date: 18 May 09 - 08:50 PM Oh dear, this thread is clearly degenerating into the mudwrangle/shitecat trading of insults between the inadequate that makes me sometimes despair of a thread that can be sustained without being hijacked. |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: Tug the Cox Date: 18 May 09 - 08:44 PM Joe, I understand where yer coming from, just stop hanging monkeys. |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: Ruth Archer Date: 18 May 09 - 07:07 PM Lizzie, your musical taste is splattered diarrhoetically all over the internet. With such a vast and undiscerning scattergun approach to music, you are bound to hit a target once in a while. To be perfectly clear, I am not insulting any of the artists I have booked; I am insulting you. I wish I could be there to see the look on your face when you find out who it was that said "I notice with astonishment that some have taken it as a slur on your excellent running of Sidmouth Folk week. I hope you haven't been given any grief from that quarter and am sorry if you have." I really do. |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 18 May 09 - 06:57 PM Panic Ye Not, I'm not obsessive...I just stand up for what I believe in, that's all. I truly don't have a SoH duvet, jimmyjams, teddy bears or wallpaper, nor a matching range in Seth Lakeman, although...The Oysterband...now there's something I'm not owning up to... ;0) I just know great musicians when I hear 'em....Ooh, talking of which..... 'Cousin Jack' - Show of Hands, Miranda Sykes and Fishermen Friends at Otterton Mill From Joan: "Well at least that explains your appalling taste in music." Is it a leeeetle disturbing that the artistic director of Sidmouth Folk Week said that to me, yet, she's booked some of the *appalling* music I love, for Sidmouth this year? Oysterband, Genticorum, Steve Knightley, The Dhol Foundation, Demon Barbers etc.etc.etc..... Pretty darn insulting to all those artists, but...heyho, such has Sidmouth Folk Week become. 'You don't get this at Otley' :0) |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: GUEST,Joe G Date: 18 May 09 - 06:26 PM 'Actually LC, SoH are really crap and I'm fond of the very occasional bit of folk lite.' Although I would not in any way want to support to Lizzie's somewhat obsessive views I think calling SoH crap is a bit strong - you may not like them, glueman, which is fair enough, but to insult other people's taste seems a bit judgemental. Mind you I never understand what motivates some of the more extreme insults to artists that some people seem to consider to be ettiquette on this (and other boards). There are artists I do not like at all but describing them as crap when may people love them would suggest that they had no right to their enjoyment. Just for the record I saw SoH do my favourite folk gig gig of recent years at Shrewsbury and Bellowhead were a close third after Blowzbella at Musicport. I also think the video is one of the funniest thing I have seen and I cannot imagine anyone lampooned taking offence but then I'm originally from Hartlepool and you wouldn't survive for long without a thick skin! I also think that the video also serves to ridicule the Nazis rather than anyone referred to in the subtitles. |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: Folknacious Date: 18 May 09 - 05:57 PM There's lots of "whodunnit" discussion on the Froots Forum with most of the obvious suspects coming in to deny it, and better still no trolls so far. |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: Dave the Gnome Date: 18 May 09 - 05:34 PM Ah well, small things amuse small minds I suppose...:-D |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: glueman Date: 18 May 09 - 05:33 PM Actually LC, SoH are really crap and I'm fond of the very occasional bit of folk lite. Even my missus used industrial language after watching the Roots vid. When he does that rapper thing and the pot throwing bit out of Ghost and the young farmers. Grim stuff. |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 18 May 09 - 05:23 PM Heehee! I always know when the Folkengrupen's are rattled, as the insults become more hilarious by the message.. |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: Gervase Date: 18 May 09 - 05:19 PM 'kinell. I went to a SoH gig last month and it was full of Daily Mail readers and sing-a-long-Knightly groupies. I've never consciously met Ms Cornish, but I saw plenty like her. If that's the future of 'folk', it's fucked. |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 18 May 09 - 05:06 PM It's *almost* as funny as when Mel Ledgard, the Smooth Ops host of the BBC F&A board said, on the BBC, that the 'Best Live Act'category was no longer going to be open to a public vote...'because Show of Hands would just keep winning it' :0) :0) :0) The FIRST EVER Public Vote...and Show of Hands had the audacity to win it! Not only that, but 'they' had they sh*te put up them so far, and so fast...that within DAYS of Show of Hands winning that Public Vote, they'd changed the ENTIRE system! That made me roar with laughter! Gawd that was so funny! You could actually *smell* the panic coming out of the computer! "Herr Flick, ve ave a problem!!!!! Show of Hans 'ave von ze public vote! Vot shall ve do?" "Simple. Ve'll flood ze messageboards viz rumours zat SoH fixed ze vote. Ve will get our No 1 Agent, Fraulein Easbee to do ze dirty deed. She iz my favourite agent. Zen, ven ze dust has settled, ve vill vote Bellowhead in as Best Live Act!" "But, Herr Flick, Bellowhead 'ave only performed live vonce or twice!" "No matter, I vill zee to it zat it happenz, 'ave no fear. I am not ze owner of ze fallen madonna viz ze big boobies, for nuzzink!" |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 18 May 09 - 04:54 PM Sorry..I can't even type anymore...laughing too much! Every time I watch it, the tears start...It's the funniest thing I've seen in sooooooooooooooooooo long! |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: Ruth Archer Date: 18 May 09 - 04:50 PM If your implication is that I'm lying, Lizzie, then the person who made the video is free to come here and say so, aren't they? In any case, I'm not the one with a history of delusional lies and multiple Mudcat identities. |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 18 May 09 - 04:44 PM Heehee! I love it! |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: Ruth Archer Date: 18 May 09 - 04:34 PM From Lizzie: "And I find it liberating because at *last* there is *someone* out there who sees it all exactly as I do," Well interestingly, here's an excerpt from a message I was just sent on Youtube by "Bulverton", the originator and poster of the clip: "Hi Joan, It was intended as a light hearted riposte to Jon Boden's comment at the end of their London Burlesque show that "You don't get that at a Show of Hands gig!" I notice with astonishment that some have taken it as a slur on your excellent running of Sidmouth Folk week. I hope you haven't been given any grief from that quarter and am sorry if you have." And no, I'm not going to reveal the person's name! They want to keep you all guessing for a while longer... :) |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 18 May 09 - 04:30 PM Sorry guys, now I can't hear *any* of you...Oh, this is so weird.... Rendered deaf as a post because of giggles... Who'd a thought it, huh? :0) I zink zat maybe Herr Flick is a member of.....of....ze GDFSS SS....zo maybe he iz therefore not a Show of Hans fan. I zink zat Helga and ze fallen madonna viz ze big boobiez are, zo, and....zat zey 'ave zer Show of Hans posters all over zer valls. :0) |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: glueman Date: 18 May 09 - 04:20 PM "are suggesting that SoH would be a suitable replacement for Bellowhead" Hmm. Bellowhead are an excellent goodtime band who perform trad and non-trad material entertainingly and accessibly. Show of Hands are a folk send-up sketch written by a Radio 4 comedy writers and Roots - especially the video - must win an award as most hilarious nu-olde England pastiche for mixing rock histrionics with Farming Today footage. |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: Dave the Gnome Date: 18 May 09 - 04:14 PM I think away with the fairies is a good expression :D (eG) |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: Folkiedave Date: 18 May 09 - 03:56 PM From: David el Gnomo You mean all the mean-spirited, critical, narrow-minded, humourless, insensitive b*stards who want to book SoH, Lizzie? If you are following the sketch properly you will see that everyone in the room, apart from Adolph himself, are suggesting that SoH would be a suitable replacement for Bellowhead. What is mean-spirited, critical, narrow-minded and humourless about that? I thought you liked SoH? Dave, you are looking for consistency. Not something Lizzie is particularly famous for. For instance she must have left Mudcat - never to darken its doors again, more times than most people would bother to remember. |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 18 May 09 - 03:51 PM "OMG! That's not what I meant at all." And with you're famed 'Mirkin' and all?! What's all the fuss about a ladies faux tash? ;-) |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: Folknacious Date: 18 May 09 - 03:38 PM youtube says that the video has been removed by the user. Do keep up at the back there. Always best to read earlier posting before making a complete Lizzie of yourself ;-) |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: Dave the Gnome Date: 18 May 09 - 03:31 PM I've just to the part where he asks everyone who went to the Albert Hall gig to leave the room, and 98% of them go out, leaving the mean-spirited, critical, narrow-minded, humourless, insensitive b*stards in the room, to plan what happens next.... You mean all the mean-spirited, critical, narrow-minded, humourless, insensitive b*stards who want to book SoH, Lizzie? If you are following the sketch properly you will see that everyone in the room, apart from Adolph himself, are suggesting that SoH would be a suitable replacement for Bellowhead. What is mean-spirited, critical, narrow-minded and humourless about that? I thought you liked SoH? DeG |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: GUEST Date: 18 May 09 - 03:29 PM youtube says that the video has been removed by the user. ? :( |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: Ruth Archer Date: 18 May 09 - 03:23 PM Tam - no harm done. It's all good. :) |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: Zimmerman Date: 18 May 09 - 03:19 PM If it wasn't Diane that made the video then it must be Sid Kipper... |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: VirginiaTam Date: 18 May 09 - 03:15 PM OMG! That's not what I meant at all. Cripes! Only that Frozen Gin must be a cat in cognito because s/he knows you organise the Sidmouth festival. |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: Folknacious Date: 18 May 09 - 03:12 PM the Folk SS Of fer f***s sake! Lizzie: you'd know if the SS had been after you - you'd be breathing gas in rather than blowing it out of every orifice. You are not just stupid and immensely irritating, you have no taste or sensitivity whatsoever. You really do need psychiatric help. |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 18 May 09 - 03:04 PM "Umm, Tam: *whispers* I don't actually have a moustache..." LOL! I'd love to say 'toupe', but I'll try not to... Sorry :-/ |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: Ruth Archer Date: 18 May 09 - 03:03 PM Lizzie, I'm happy to say your interpretation is shared by...well, you, pretty much. I found it hilarious. |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 18 May 09 - 03:00 PM "Well at least that explains your appalling taste in music." Nope, I still can't hear you I'm afraid... I've just to the part where he asks everyone who went to the Albert Hall gig to leave the room, and 98% of them go out, leaving the mean-spirited, critical, narrow-minded, humourless, insensitive b*stards in the room, to plan what happens next.... Oh Lawdy, I've not laughed so much since...since...since Show of Hands and Seth Lakmen got in under the radar that night, dressed all in black...and took the Folk World by STORM! Viva la Revolucion! :0) |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: Ruth Archer Date: 18 May 09 - 02:59 PM Umm, Tam: *whispers* I don't actually have a moustache... |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: VirginiaTam Date: 18 May 09 - 02:55 PM I want to know who is this Frozen Gin that made the comment about Ruth Archer and the cute moustache. Seems to know alot about Ruth for someone who only started posting 11 May. Do I detect some hidden hyjinks here? |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: Ruth Archer Date: 18 May 09 - 02:55 PM Well at least that explains your appalling taste in music. |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 18 May 09 - 02:46 PM Sorry, Joan, you'll have to speak a little louder, I'm giggling so much that I can't hear very well... |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: Ruth Archer Date: 18 May 09 - 02:31 PM Do they, Lizzie? Or are you reading into the video what you WISH was in it? |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 18 May 09 - 02:20 PM "I guess that's why I find it so hilarious...and somehow, so incredibly liberating too." ..er..the video that is. And I find it liberating because at *last* there is *someone* out there who sees it all exactly as I do, exactly as others have done for so very long, and they've had the guts to stand up and say it, albeit in a very humourous and clever way... |
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Subject: RE: Show of Hands - Bellowhead From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 18 May 09 - 02:15 PM Ah, but I've never been their victim, only ever their 'prey' :0) Believe you me, I've had the Folk SS after me for a VERY long time. I guess that's why I find it so hilarious...and somehow, so incredibly liberating too. :0) |
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