more session rudeness

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Gedpipes
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 11:17 AM

I'll tell you what.
why don't you all come to Beverley this weekend and I'l give yeas all a hug - well maybe all
Blue skies
Ged

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: katlaughing
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 11:13 AM

What Jeri said!

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Banjiman
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 11:10 AM

"No-one needs to diss the old guy... there's no point... the remaining lack of time in his mortal body is punishment enough :o sorry that was really low but hey DILLIGAF ;)"

You're not really very nice are you?

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 11:10 AM

I'm just amazed that all the venom seems to be based on age. I've been to sessions where there were predominatly older players who made it obvious that it was very much a closed shop, even when advertised as an "open session". It's not an age thing.

Also, if (as has been suggested/stated) these young upstarts are from folkie families that would suggest that they have probably been around sessions for as long as they've been weaned (if not before)and have probably been involved in sessions even longer (or more intensely) than some of the older people who weren't born into it.

The whole thing is obviously based on a misunderstanding. If it was all so bad then how come only one person has complained, why not hordes more? What isn't a misunderstanding is the venom which has been exhibited apparently based on 3rd hand info, chinese whispers and pent up grievances.

I note our (former) colonial cousins highlighting this as a very British thing. Not, I fear, a good advert for the British folk scene.

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Houston_Diamond
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 11:09 AM

Any discrimination is absolutely bollocks...

you have a great opinion Peace ;D

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Peace
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 11:02 AM

If anyone thinks discrimination based on age is any better than that based on sex or colour, then, IMO, you have your head up your arse.

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Houston_Diamond
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 10:48 AM

""Now can we just leave it at that or are we all going to keep running in circles(?)"

We're going to keep running in circles of course! This is the UK wing of Mudcat, stiff with embittered curmudgeons with axes to grind and rules to impose.

Young people enjoying playing folk music for the sheer hell of it? SEE ME NOW, you disgusting little upstarts! It's six of the best for you and off to bed with no fookin' supper!"

V Funny lol

Last PS young adults, the OP clearly really was upset and felt really bad, and while I see a lot of people saying "Don't offend brilliant and important young players" I don't see many of the apparently younger posters wishing to avoid dissing the old guy, or clearly expressing such wish.

I never said don't offend the 'young players' in fact do it... (if you can that is!!!) it will make them stronger ;) lol

No-one needs to diss the old guy... there's no point... the remaining lack of time in his mortal body is punishment enough :o sorry that was really low but hey DILLIGAF ;)

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 10:42 AM

"PS, Ruth, the crack about (no pun intended) post menopausal knickers really was unnecessary..."

*shrugs*

mea culpa.

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Peace
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 10:29 AM

There's another thread entitled "I wish I believed in hell again". I was wondering if a clone could join the two threads and

1) save space
2) help that thread starter to believe

Thank you.

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Polite Guest
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 10:23 AM

I am calm, Richard. Fed up, hacked off with it all? Yes, but..calm.
Thank you. x

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 10:01 AM

Now let me give you some advice: don't drink that Magners stuff, you want Kenny Cramp's Double Vision, I remember his 60th birthday party you know...


Err - what was I saying?


Oh yes, I've seen plenty of young whippersnappers drink it too, proper drunk up they woz...


PS, Ruth, the crack about (no pun intended) post menopausal knickers really was unnecessary...

PS, Lizzie if it is you, calm down.

Last PS young adults, the OP clearly really was upset and felt really bad, and while I see a lot of people saying "Don't offend brilliant and important young players" I don't see many of the apparently younger posters wishing to avoid dissing the old guy, or clearly expressing such wish.

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: GUEST,Ewan Spawned a Monster
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 10:01 AM

"Now can we just leave it at that or are we all going to keep running in circles(?)"

We're going to keep running in circles of course! This is the UK wing of Mudcat, stiff with embittered curmudgeons with axes to grind and rules to impose.

Young people enjoying playing folk music for the sheer hell of it? SEE ME NOW, you disgusting little upstarts! It's six of the best for you and off to bed with no fookin' supper!

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Houston_Diamond
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 09:13 AM

omg... it never ends... nevermind...

It was an open session but in a lot of open sessions people are 'booked' (for want of a better word) to populate the session and to get it going. If the general consensus are playing some tunes then the open session is working. Having 1 person feel disgruntled because the consensus doesn't enjoy their style and he felt unwelcome does not mean that CAF has the responsibility to apologise or give the poor guy a hug cos he needs one.

If you go to a session and the consensus is playing too fast then stop playing along until they play something you can play along to because I am sure that if a tune is played really fast it wont last that long!

Please don't pass judgement on this further because it's hard to come to a conclusion when the facts cannot be conveyed fully. Most of the people here was not there (including myself) but I know the group that are being accused and I know they are very experienced at sessions. I am sure that this is all a misunderstanding and no offence was meant.

now can we just leave it at that or are we all going to keep running in circles until a) the organisers apologise b) the session players apologise?

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: GUEST,Howard Jones
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 08:58 AM

I think a lot of the confusion, and bad feeling, on this thread is due to confusion over what the "session" was and what was expected from it. The OP was clearly expecting an open session. CAF's first response was to say that "We were actually booked there to sit and play in the bar all day". HD has said it was advertised as an open session, and no one was booked to lead it.

So what was it, an un-led open session for all-comers which became dominated by a large group who happened to be young, lively and talented? An informal performance by this group which others could join in with? An open session which this group were supposed to be leading?

Without knowing which it was, it is difficult to form a judgement on their behaviour. If it was the first, then their behaviour could be seen as a bit insensitive, if the second then they we just doing what they'd been asked to do. If the third, perhaps they could have done a better job and made sure everyone was included. Different roles, different responsibilities.

My final comment is that sessions should be a shared experience, not an opportunity to show off. Nevertheless, you can turn this to your advantage: if you play plenty of tunes which everyone can join in with, the others are less likely to mind when you slip in a show-off tune; if you only play show-off tunes, you'll come across as an arrogant b*****d.

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 08:40 AM

This is ridiculous, why is this discussion based on age, surely that's irrelevant. If these guys made people feel unwelcome I'm positive it wasn't intentional and as for being rude, I know for a fact this would have been only in a musical sense and not verbally. Just because someone doesn't offer you a chair that they're already sitting on doesn't make them a terrible person. I have been made to feel welcome by them irrelevant of whether I can play or not.

I can't remember who said it, but it's apparantly our (young peoples) duty to carry on the folk tradition and this is why we should play. NO. I play folk music because I like it, if this means the tradition carries on then thats great, but that is by no means why I play it.

And on another note, I have been in many sessions at festivals and been made to feel unwelcome by older people, the solution...go and find another session. It's not the end of the world.

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: The Barden of England
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 07:26 AM

300!!!

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Graham and Jo
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 07:19 AM

What a lot posted. I've lost the thread of this thread. Apart from the Eliza Carthy Band, which performers do you Cool as Folk young folk come to festivals with?

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Houston_Diamond
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 07:10 AM

Yeah, I kinda owe Clive a song at the Bedford... I promised him at the Ashby-de-la-Zouch folk club on the Friday last year...

Meet you there John :D

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: The Barden of England
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 07:06 AM

It's the 'Youngs Special' for me at 'The Ship'. See you there - and in 'The Bedford' too I hope.
John Barden

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Houston_Diamond
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 07:03 AM

Is anyone going to Teignmouth this weekend? Some great pubs and sessions I remember from last year, just wished I was on the campsite considering they have a session tent there :D

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Houston_Diamond
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 07:01 AM

well the alcohol helps ;) lol

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: GUEST,FolkisCool
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 06:59 AM

We constantly abuse Houston and he keeps coming back for more, after all what are friends for! :P

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Houston_Diamond
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 06:38 AM

Polite Guest... please dont let them get you down... I have had similar experiences but I get over it move on and find some great performances to put the experience behind me.

I will have to find you in the Ship this year and buy you what ever your poison is. :D

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 06:38 AM

Cider... hmm, I'll send you a bottle made not far from me Wroxham Barns. They sometimes sell bottles of it at one of the pubs I go to for a session but I find 7% (I think) a bit too much and I find this one very easy to drink...

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: GUEST,FolkisCool
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 06:31 AM

Well if someone is getting a round in at the ship I'll have a Magners if they have any left or Gaymers I think we ended up on last year when that ran out!

Cheers.

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Houston_Diamond
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 06:30 AM

If no-one has been booked to lead a session then it mostly goes with the majority, but as I understand it, this was not the case here.

It was advertised as an open session... they were asked by the organisers to fill it out... they were in the majority and no-one was booked to 'lead' the session.

Having seen Tom Bliss perform (or was it a dream?...so many performers that I've apparently never seen, according to one person in here) I can only say Houston, that Tom is a performer for whom I have a great deal of respect.

I am not attacking Tom's abilities as a session leader or performer, I am merely stating that there are a lot of people assuming what happened in a session when all they have is a version of events from a disgruntled session player and a load of support to slate them because they are young.

I respect you all and I know that you love folk as much as myself and these guys do... I just want to be able to make you happy people and not attacking people. Give advise at the time when it will make a difference... creating a thread full of Chinese whispers does not help in the advise department especially when directing it to youngsters because of the assumption that they are inexperienced... the advise should be broad based to all ages...

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Polite Guest
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 06:25 AM

Sorry Houston, I posted that without having seen your apology. However, I still stand by what I've said about Tom. I have not 'attacked' anyone in here, if you look at my posts more carefully you will see that.

I have however, been attacked, repeatedly, by one poster. I do not and will not respond to such low behaviour any longer, because those posts say far more about the poster, than I ever could.

I hope you have a lovely Sidmouth. I, these days, no longer enjoy it in the same way I once did, because the constant baiting, rudeness and attacks make me want to stay away from much of it now. I no longer write about it, where once I wrote 15,000 words about it. The joy has been replaced by a seething anger, brought about by those who deem this world to be theirs.

Sidmouth was once one of my great loves. That love has died. I hope those who have managed to achieve that, feel proud of themselves.

But I still love the music, still play it, still write about it, from time to time, but no, not as I once did.

Result?

You tell me....

I no longer understand those who seek to destroy this wonderful world, who seek to exclude, or humiliate someone, over and over and over.

So yes, good manners, kindness, thoughtfulness, can take this world out to pastures new. Bad manners or downright unpleasantness however, can destroy it. It is therefore vital to ensure that younger people and indeed (and far more sadly) some OLDER people understand that.

It is the older people who have been on my back for so long, never the youngsters...in fact some of them have been downright supportive, and I thank them all for that.

For the younger ones to be taught by gracious people, such as Tom Bliss, is an excellent thing.

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 06:25 AM

"I hope the mods are noting that it's not Polite Guest who is causing the friction here, it's Ruth Archer."

I would refer my learned friend to Polite Guest Lizzie Cornish's posts of 4:15 and 4:18 pm yesterday.

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 06:19 AM

These guys do perform gigs (where you just listen unless invited) and also perform at sessions (where you can try and join in if you think you can)

I don't think that's most people's definition of a session.

stop patronising them because they know the etiquette and protocols better then anyone

What was the name of this outfit again - Considerably More Talent Than Yow?

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 06:18 AM

You oldies take advise and remember how it was when you started at these sessions... Were you lucky enough to have everyone stop and make way for you? were you accepted into the session with open arms?

It took time of course. It still can take time for me to feel really comfortable but I no longer want to dive in but like to take some time trying to understand the session, the people and to work my way in gently.

At a one off session, you don't have that time though so perhaps there is a case for some effort being made to pull others in?

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 06:16 AM

I hope the mods are noting that it's not Polite Guest who is causing the friction here, it's Ruth Archer.

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Houston_Diamond
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 06:15 AM

I must admit... I think my dad used to put a lot of people in a session out, sometimes by playing the accordion but most the time by being able to drown out instruments with the sheer power of his voice... not saying it was right but he still gained a great audience response :s

I always remember the way my granddad stopped a session or 2 in the 80s with his highland bagpipes (but they really enjoyed that too :D )

But I am so glad that my name isn't Hugh too :s Houston is so much nicer ;p lol

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: GUEST,Tom Bliss
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 06:14 AM

"Were you lucky enough to have everyone stop and make way for you? were you accepted into the session with open arms?"

No, and I would not have expected it, and still would not. Anyone going to a session is advised to do so in the knowledge that they might not fit in, for any number of reasons.

But if a band is booked either to lead a session, or to play a sort of gig at an event that has been named (wrongly, perhaps) a session, then I think the organisers would expect them to show willing, and to engage with whoever turns up as best they can - and that would be the most professional approach anyway.

If no-one has been booked to lead a session then it mostly goes with the majority, but as I understand it, this was not the case here.

Tom

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Polite Guest
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 06:13 AM

"Stop making assumptions Tom..."

Having seen Tom Bliss perform (or was it a dream?...so many performers that I've apparently never seen, according to one person in here) I can only say Houston, that Tom is a performer for whom I have a great deal of respect.

He is courteous, kind, brilliant to watch and listen to, and one of the great story songwriters that we have in this country.

I'm just off to put his 'Boat To Barhou' song on my page, utterly beautiful.

If Tom was running a session, ALL would be included, not only that, but they would also be made to feel most welcome, and they would leave that session feeling very good about themselves, for Tom is good manners personified, as can be seen from almost every post he writes.

May I politely suggest that you learn a few lessons from him.

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 06:03 AM

I'd call it a lesson in reality, Lizzie. Stop preaching to people who have forgotten more than you'll ever know about folk. End of.

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Houston_Diamond
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 06:02 AM

Polite Guest... I am truly sorry.

You kind of come across as being attacking and that is my bad. I am sure you have heard them... Since you're a Sidders person, They all played in the Ship loads last year and on the campsite almost every night.

I am extremely rubbish at performing in sessions but I try my best and I have never remembered feeling unwelcome by these guys despite being 10 years their senior.

In fact I find them to be very encouraging and I know of at least one that teach those around 20 years younger than them...

I just want this to be a happy folk thread but obviously there are a lot of people who are passionate about the subject.

I know we all still love each other and respect what each other do and I think that is another couple of this we all have in common ( I hope :D )

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Polite Guest
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 06:02 AM

From Stigweard:

'Sam, Sam, pick up thy musket',
Said Captain for strictness renowned,
Sam said 'He knocked it doon, Reet! so he'll pick it up,
Or it stays where it is on't ground.."


Oh Stig!!!

FANTASTIC!!

I'm right back at Otley Folk Festival now...(you know, one of those festivals I've never been to) listening to the wonderful John Tams. (you know, one of those musicians I've never seen perform)

He sat there on the stage, red socks glowing in the wind... ;0) and gave us the most beautiful rendition of that piece. He is absolute magic!

NOW then! If there is one person who knows how to treat his audience, it's John Tams! Marvellous man.

Thank you for bringing that lovely memory back. xx

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Polite Guest
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 05:57 AM

From Ruth Archer:

"Ah, Houston...this presumes our Polite Guest has been on the scene a long time. In fact, many of the musicians we've been discussing have been around folk maybe 4 times as long as she has, despite the fact that they're half her age. And she doesn't really seem to go to many festivals, except for Sidmotuh - because she lives there.

But now she knows where to find us all during Folk Week - mine's a pint of Old Rosie. Anyone else?"





And yet another lesson in rudeness...

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 05:56 AM

"Ruth,

Why not bring your melodeon out in Bampton next year? Or the Morris party if you are there?"

bless you you, Joe! I would love to think that if I got my finger out and practiced more, i might be ready for next May Bank. But then I remember all the brilliant musicians that are there and rather bottle it.

Mind you, I've got a very convincing photo of myself "playing" next to Saul Rose at one of the Towersey sessions last year...if I just press the buttons without squeezing, does that count...? :)

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 05:53 AM

"Pure Positivity = Being completely unknown. "

No, Lizzie, just unknown TO YOU. Playing ceilidhs at a major festival and playing in Eliza's band hardly equates to obscurity.

Maybe, like so many musicians in the folk world, they're simply hiding when you turn up.

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Houston_Diamond
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 05:53 AM

Stop making assumptions Tom...

I know that in almost every session in the past 20~30 years I've been to that it's horses for courses... if you're not happy with a session then you learn from the experience and move on...

These guys do perform gigs (where you just listen unless invited) and also perform at sessions (where you can try and join in if you think you can), stop patronising them because they know the etiquette and protocols better then anyone.

They may have been playing tunes excessively fast but if you're not up for the challenge don't do it else try and keep up! They are not gonna get upset because you do or dont play along, likewise they are not going to force themselves to listen to something they are not keen on!

You oldies take advise and remember how it was when you started at these sessions... Were you lucky enough to have everyone stop and make way for you? were you accepted into the session with open arms? If you were then you would be in the minority because you need a shed load of confidence to shine in that environment and thick skin to not notice the people that aren't paying attention to your brilliance!!!

Stop this 'I have to give advise' and 'it weren't like that in my day attitudes' because if you truly looked into your past then I am sure you will find a load of experiences of sessions similar going back to year dot!

Just be happy and happiness with ensue... Be positive and encourage them for the talents they have and stop bitching and moaning because you dont match up with either their skill or their tastes in music!!!

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: GUEST,sadness not anger
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 05:52 AM

Hi all, just been reading this amazing thread.

Clearly the only thing some of us have in common is folk music and nothing else. Some people are lovely, some are not, just like in the outside world.

My husband was a professional folk musician for many years in a respected band. He was always aware that there were musicians who were technically better than him and hadn't had his success, but one reason was clear to me. He was liked as a person as well as a musician.

Really guys, that's half the battle. We could get really philosophical and ask if music exists without someone to listen to it. The fact is, music is a means of communication between people and it doesn't always work if someone puts a barrier in place, as Charley found out.

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Stu
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 05:52 AM

It occurred on the evening before Waterloo,
And t'troops were lined up on parade,
The Sergeant inspecting 'em he were a terror,
Of whom every man was afraid

All excepting one man who was in the front rank,
A man by the name of Sam Small,
And 'im and the Sergeant were both 'daggers drawn',
They thought nowt of each other at all

As Sergeant walked past he were swinging his arms,
And he happened to brush against Sam,
And knocking his musket clean out of his hand,
It fell to the ground with a slam

'Pick it up' said t'Sergeant, abrupt like but cool,
But Sam with a shake of his head,
'Seeing as tha' knocked it out of me hand,
P'raps tha'll pick the thing up instead.

'Sam, Sam, pick up thy musket,'
The Sergeant exclaimed with a roar,
Sam said 'Tha knocked it down, reet! then tha'll pick it up,
Or it'll stay where it is on't floor

The sound of high words very soon reached the ears,
Of an Officer, Lieutenant Bird,
Who says to the Sergeant, 'Now what's all this ere?'
And the Sergeant told what had occurred.

'Sam, Sam, pick up thy musket'
Lieutenant exclaimed with some heat,
Sam said, 'He knocked it down reet! Then he'll pick it up,
Or it stays where it is, at me feet

It caused quite a stir when the Captain arrived,
To find out the cause of the trouble,
And every man there, all except Sam,
Was full of excitement and bubble

'Sam, Sam, pick up thy musket',
Said Captain for strictness renowned,
Sam said 'He knocked it doon, Reet! so he'll pick it up,
Or it stays where it is on't ground

The same thing occurred when the Major and Colonel,
Both tried to get Sam to see sense,
But when Old Duke o' Wellington came into view,
Well the excitement was really quite tense

Up rode the Duke on a loverly white 'orse,
To find out the cause of the bother,
He looked at the musket and then at Old Sam,
And he talked to Old Sam like a brother

'Sam, Sam, pick up thy musket'
The Duke said as quiet as could be,
'Sam, Sam pick up thi musket,
Coom on lad, just to please me

'Alright Duke,' said Old Sam, 'just for thee I'll oblige,
And to show thee I meant no offence',
So Sam picked it up, 'Gradely, lad' said the Duke,
'Right-o boys... let battle commence.'

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Polite Guest
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 05:50 AM

From HD:

"Polite guest - do as your name suggests and politely walk away from the argument"


I should maybe just explain about my name. I chose it to stop myself from telling complete and utter prats to stick their heads up their ars*.

Just so you understand.

Thanks very much

:0)

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 05:49 AM

"You have more than likely have seen them because they have been on the scene a long time"

Ah, Houston...this presumes our Polite Guest has been on the scene a long time. In fact, many of the musicians we've been discussing have been around folk maybe 4 times as long as she has, despite the fact that they're half her age. And she doesn't really seem to go to many festivals, except for Sidmotuh - because she lives there.

But now she knows where to find us all during Folk Week - mine's a pint of Old Rosie. Anyone else?

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Polite Guest
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 05:45 AM

From HD: "STOP BEING NEGATIVE!!!"


Oh right, sorry if wanting to see and hear them is negative. I hadn't realised that. Silly me. But now you've brought it to my attention I can see how daft an idea it was...

After all, who would want to hear them?   Right?

Or see them? Right?

Or know anything about them? Right?

Gee whizz, I can't think why I didn't understand that before. Doh!

Thank you so much for pointing it out to me, and I'm sure the 'band' will take your advice and continue to remain incognito, for after all, that is the way to get on in the music world. :0)

By George! I think I've got it!

Pure Positivity = Being completely unknown.

BRILLIANT idea! Absolutely brilliant!   ;0)

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: GUEST,Tom Bliss
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 05:33 AM

May I offer one word of advice to our young friends, as someone who has also been booked to 'perform' at a 'session?'

If you feel you're supposed to be doing a sort of gig (and perhaps don't actually know that many well-known tunes anyway), but people are arriving with instruments clearly wanting to join in, all you have to do is explain the situation.

Do some of your own stuff first, then open out the event and let others have a turn, and then perhaps finish with a little set of your own for those who've come to listen to your band.

That way you're fulfilling your contract while still being inclusive.

But actually it's really down to the festival to provide the right information. 'Session' is another word with too many meanings. It needs a phrase to qualify what people should expect - then this sort of thing shouldn't happen.

Tom

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Houston_Diamond
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 05:28 AM

I know a few of their MySpace pages but TBH it's not for me to give you them as I feel it's not for you to judge them... Judge not lest ye be judged ring any bells?!?

You have more than likely have seen them because they have been on the scene a long time and have pulled crowds in for almost as long. That's all you need to know.

Get over it!

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 05:23 AM

Yea, Right on baby! Sounds like they're all living out their parents' dreams for them.
I hope Harry Enfield gets a hold of this "Folk Family" idea. He'll have a field day with it.

Subject: RE: more session rudeness
From: Houston_Diamond
Date: 17 Jun 08 - 05:23 AM

Polite guest - do as your name suggests and politely walk away from the argument and stop badgering Ruth cos you can give it a rest!!!

Just get over it. You can't change people by having a view of "I know best" attitude and attacking will only push people further away from wanting to hear your point of view.

STOP BEING NEGATIVE!!!