BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 06 Oct 06 - 09:31 AM

Watching this from sideline, not getting involved. Understand that everyone including the British government has accepted the recent report that the Provisionals war is over.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Oct 06 - 09:21 AM

I thought I was just suggesting that past wrongs of police and provisionals be forgotten.
Revenge?
I agree with Sweeney. The conflict is over.
Keith.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Oct 06 - 09:15 AM

ulster has got peace but Keith doesnt want peace he wants revenge

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Oct 06 - 08:46 AM

Perhaps none were charged, but PIRA was responsible for many, many murders and do not all members share responsibility?

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Oct 06 - 08:01 AM

Sorry Keith, Someone remarked on Ulster policemen who were charged with murdering catholics. Your reply was "so have some now respectable Sinn Fein officials" And you said "some Sinn Fein served as volunteers with PIRA". Who were the IRA volunteers now Sinn Fein officials who were charged with murder ?

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Oct 06 - 07:04 AM

Did not some Sinn Fein serve as volunteers withPIRA?

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Oct 06 - 07:01 AM

If some police have behaved badly in the past ! We are talking murder here Keith. Who are the respectable Sinn Fein officals you are talking about, who did they murder?
Home Service Royal Irish Regiment being disbanded today.
They join a list of failed security force murder gangs such as B'Specials, U.D.R. and R.U.C.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Oct 06 - 06:50 AM

I didn't think that I did, but
"charged" is not the same as convicted
If some police have behaved badly in the past, so have some now respectable Sinn Fein officials. Just move on.
Catholics and nationalists can now join without fear of reprisal from their communities. The force can become more representative.
Bottom line. There is no alternative. There has to be policing.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Oct 06 - 05:32 AM

You asked the question Keith.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Oct 06 - 04:53 AM

solution?

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Oct 06 - 04:43 AM

SF refusing to accept the authority of the police is more of a problem.


Keith, if 27 of our police officers were charged with murdering Muslims maybe we would have questions too.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Oct 06 - 03:45 AM

The Northern Ireland Police Servic remains higher paid than any police force in Britain. The average annual earnings for rank and file officers is approximately £36,500 or £700 per week. This includes a special allowance of £1,900 to meet the needs of policing Northern Ireland.
Over here the ``English Bobby'' of comparable status would have to work their way through the rank of Constable Sergeant, Inspector and Chief Inspector to earn such wages. The yearly policing budget for Northern Ireland is a staggering £600 million and it provides not only a luxurious lifestyle for its members but also the most modern methods and equipment to protect them from all types of attack.

27 serving police officers were charged with the murders of catholics and membership of the UVF/UFF and Red Hand Commando.

Their hate of the nationalist community in Northern Ireland is well known. The Northern Ireland police have been found guilty on sixteen ocassions in the European courts of human justice.


But the most illuminating insight into the political characteristics of the force came from an academic, Graham Ellison, who conducted extensive interviews with constables. He found that deep seated sectarianism and anti-Catholic bias is rife among personnel. Many support loyalist marchers. All had absolute hostility towards Catholic members of the force and Catholic neighbourhoods.

Maybe there has to be a few changes before nationalists trust them, it's not black and white.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Oct 06 - 03:19 AM

Why is a high rate of police sick leave such a problem?
SF refusing to accept the authority of the police is more of a problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: GUEST,Andy
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 07:23 PM

I have to agree with Chief Constable Sir Hugh Orde who said he agrees with the latest report on IRA activity by the Independent Monitoring Commission.

The report said the IRA had changed radically and said that its most important structures were dismantled. Sir Hugh told the Policing Board the PIRA has gone.

I myself as a member of the loyalist community do believe that the (Provisional IRA) have no intention of going back to an armed struggle in any way shape or form in terms of activities. I accept what the IMC was saying.

Sadly the Policing Board said that sick leave cost the police service £30m in lost days over the past 18 months, its the worst force in the United Kingdom for causal sick leave.

The two governments have given the politicians until 24 November to reach a deal on devolution. I now feel the time is right for unionists to sit with S.F. and get on with the business of running Northern Ireland. We all must put our past behind us.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: Snuffy
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 09:16 AM

Fignons?

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: ositojuanito
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 09:01 AM

I think the word you're looking for is 'Fenians.'

John

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 06:28 AM

Its funny how these people trying to sell stuff have fastened onto this thread and the Dubliners one.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: The Shambles
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 06:25 AM

When I was young I was always quite sypathetic towards 'Finians'.

Not that I knew what one was. But I knew that a 'bastard' was a poor unfortunate born our of wedlock or who did not know their father or who their father was.

For the word 'Finian' always seemed to be followed by the word 'bastards'.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: ositojuanito
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 05:31 AM

I read the posts on Ireland and Northern Ireland with great interest. I was once upon time quite active in pursuing a United Ireland myself, albeit in a peaceful way, but today I see more pressing issues. In twenty years time or even less, the indigenous could be outnumbered by the immigrants from Eastern Europe and emigres from Africa and other nations. I wonder what the founding fathers of the state would have thought of this future Ireland. I am not a rascist and I never will be and I think that integration is a wonderful thing, but there isn't very much of that going on here at the moment. My point is that the state has to put a curb on immigration no matter how healthy our economy is at the moment.

John Hartery

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: Epona
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 11:40 PM

Welcome, Dan Darragh. I would've welcomed you sooner but Time Warner's damn Road Runner internet is fighting with me so I'm lucky to be able to slip online!

If you're lucky enough to be Irish, you're lucky enough. ;)

E

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 10:55 AM

Mr B.S.
You may be who you claim to be, or an opponent creating a grotesque caricature, but either way you have no support from me.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: GUEST,Bobby Sands
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 07:44 AM

Why not visit me at F.A.I.R. ? We are good God fearing Protestant Ulstermen. Keith from Hertford good to see you are one of us.
NO SURRENDER. "GOD IS GREAT".

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: GUEST,Bobby Sands
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 07:35 AM

I won the "Irish Slimmer of the year award" in 1981 you know. Where's my donkey?

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 30 Aug 06 - 01:19 PM

Could somebody please close this silly, stupid thread. Can those of us who were once foolish enough to contribute to it please make a gentlemans agreement NOT to post to it. Keith STOP replying to GUESTS, Christ can't you see they are pulling your chain and you are doing exactly what they want. Then again, you probably have me down for it. Either way I couldn't give a toss.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 Aug 06 - 12:56 PM

I thought that random copying of my old posts by anonymous Guest had finished.
How the long evenings must fly as you dredge them all up, you sad, obsessed no life.

As it happened, Den had not had chance to reply, and argued that he had meant something different.

You have always been straight in debate Den, not trying to mislead let alone lie. I doubt that you have used your ability to post as a guest.

Have I ever given you cause to doubt my honesty?

Keith.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Aug 06 - 11:03 AM

From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 01:47 AM

No reply then.
You did owe me an apology this time Den.
It took a long time to count through those figures, and I found that my perception was correct and that you were completely wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 Aug 06 - 10:59 AM

Meaning?

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: Den
Date: 30 Aug 06 - 10:05 AM

I think you're having us on Keith.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 04:09 PM

Click on this or follow the membership link at the top and log in.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 11:50 AM

Just do as you always do.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 11:01 AM

And how would you get back?

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 10:49 AM

click this, Keith that will log you out.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 09:52 AM

I feel even more inadequate now!

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: Den
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 08:34 AM

And this is me back again with name intact.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 08:32 AM

Voila!

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: Den
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 08:32 AM

Actually its quite easy Keith.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 05:17 AM

?

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 03:37 AM

I must be very stupid.
I would not know how to stop my member name appearing on a post.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: dan darragh
Date: 28 Aug 06 - 09:20 PM

THANKS ALISON,WHERE IS EVERYONE?

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: Alison M
Date: 28 Aug 06 - 12:29 PM

Welcome to the Mudcat Forun Dan Darragh and thank you for telling the truth too!

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: Alison M
Date: 28 Aug 06 - 11:58 AM

"Guest, I also do not sign in sometimes to reply to someone so my name does sometimes state Guest Alison.

is a somewhat odd statement to make don't you think? There was no "sometimes" about it."

Guest, I have signed in sometimes, but this was only when I have pm someone because you have to be a member and be signed in to pm someone, and only that particular person would have seen my name during that time. I hope this explains things.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: dan darragh
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 02:49 PM

WE IN THE DAN DARRAGHR.F.B. BALLYCASTLE DO WRITE INTO FAIR WEBSITE DEFENDING OURSELVES AND TELLING TO THE WORLD THE TRUTH ABOUT THIS LOYALIST SCUM.EVERYTIME WE OUTSMART THEM THEY TRY TO BAN US BUT WE ALWAYS HAVE A DIFFERENT WAY BACK.THE ONLY WAY THEY TRY TO DISCREDIT US NOW AS THEY CANT BAN US IS TO WRITE IN BULLSHIT ON THERE OWN MESSAGE BOARD USING OUR NAME.IF YOU ARE READING THERE POSTS AND YOU GET A LETTER FROM D.D.R.F.B. THAT DOSNT MAKE SENSE THEN YOU KNOW WE NEVER WROTE IT.UP THE PROVOS,TIOCFAIDH AR LA

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 02:06 PM

Great to see you here Alison a big welcome. Don't be put off by such remarks.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 02:05 PM

Guest you said, "You had not posted at all as member Alison M until today." Does it really matter?

Not really but considering you hadn't posted at all as a memeber until that day (and you had mane not at all when I made the comments to which you were replying),

Guest, I also do not sign in sometimes to reply to someone so my name does sometimes state Guest Alison.

is a somewhat odd statement to make don't you think? There was no "sometimes" about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: Alison M
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 01:25 PM

Keith A of Hertford hello, you are right I did join the forum here at the end of July. I wanted to pm Divis Sweeney a question about Ireland. When I am signed in, my name is Alison M as there is another member called Alison on here. I do like most music including U2. I am originally from Worcestershire, but living in Gloucestershire.

Guest you said, "You had not posted at all as member Alison M until today." Does it really matter?

Thanks Keith.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 07:49 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 06:37 AM

Alison M.
Have I got it right that you joined in July but posted as Guest Alison until yesterday?
Any way, nice that you are a meber now. Perhaps you will share with us your interests in the music.
One of the most fun things about membership is meeting other members.
Which part of England are you from? There are sure to be some members in the same town.
Welcome to Mudcat,
keith.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Aug 06 - 06:29 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 06:42 PM

No Alison M, I was referring to you. I do know there is a long standing member called Alison.

I apologise if my assesment is wrong but things have felt "convenient" rather then "right" to me. It has had the air of a "staged production" to me.

Guest, I also do not sign in sometimes to reply to someone so my name does sometimes state Guest Alison.

You had not posted at all as member Alison M until today.

Subject: RE: BS: Sorry, yet another NI thread
From: Alison M
Date: 26 Aug 06 - 05:40 PM

Guest, I also do not sign in sometimes to reply to someone so my name does sometimes state Guest Alison.