BS: 2012 Presidential Election

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Jun 12 - 04:36 AM

Bill D, In light of your last post, read the last four posts on the 'Obama battles for Uncommitted' thread. I believe Akenaton, and myself are pretty clear, and consistent in certain things you are expressing.

Respectfully,

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Bill D
Date: 31 May 12 - 09:39 AM

"...these "bad" choices are only your bad choices."

They wish to preserve democracy in name only.

They are the 'choices' of those who have co-opted one party and are trying to see to it that in the future there will be de facto ONLY only one relevant party. They are proceeding by misleading and outright lying .....and scare tactics. They are misusing arcane rules in the Senate to block any progressive legislation, and then declaring that their opponents have 'failed' to get anything done.

"..your list is presented in the most simplistic and biased style."

Since when does clear and unambiguous become "simplistic and biased"? One party is attempting to find ways to CONTROL exporting of jobs and to find ways to ensure regulation of banks......

And you don't consider those other points "serious"?????

You, Ake, make my point about generalization! You want 'simplistic'? Waving you arms and just declaring 'The system is broken and "working against our interests".' is simplistic! In practice, it is similar to just declaring "God made it this way, and we can't change it."

I don't live in the UK, and can't pretend to follow the ins & outs of culture, politics and sentiment there, but 'some' people who live outside the US sure are attempting to describe, define and explain all OUR issues.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 31 May 12 - 03:08 AM

..or even a clearer analogy....


GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 31 May 12 - 02:57 AM

BS: 2012 Presidential Election

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: akenaton
Date: 31 May 12 - 02:10 AM

Bill, these "bad" choices are only your bad choices....I thought you believed in "democracy"?

Additionally, your list is presented in the most simplistic and biased style......like a really poor politician....or the tool of a really poor politician.

The serious issues you mention, like export of jobs and deregulation of the banks are at the behest of the economic system which controls our lives, not any political party and as such are "red herrings" in this debate.

This system is now working against our interests, in fact, it was constructed against our intests....and by that I mean not just US/UK, but the whole of humanity.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 May 12 - 11:55 PM

Amen, Bill!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Bill D
Date: 30 May 12 - 11:16 PM

If you are hungry and are offered two pieces of cheese, and you really don't LIKE any cheese much, but you see that one piece is really spoiled and rancid.... what do you do until you can get the tofu you usually prefer?

Yeah...it's a silly metaphor. Make up a better one.

But right now, there is one obviously bad choice in US politics.... they support Citizens United, voter suppression, denying civil rights to GLBT groups, allowing unlimited gun purchases, allowing businesses to keep shipping jobs overseas, removing most regulations on banks and Wall Street, removing the last divisions between church & state, .... and advocating several constitutional amendments.
The new 'leader' of this group wants to demand that any presidential candidate have 'business' experience...like HE does.

You don't think there's any clear difference or choice? You might be startled to discover how $&*$@!#$ tired I am of hearing that idea.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Bobert
Date: 30 May 12 - 07:44 PM

As per usual, I whole-heartedly disagree with LH's cynical pessimism...

There is a way out but not with a Romney win... He will do as much harm domestically as Bush did in foreign policy with his wars of choice...

The current batch of Republicans think they can take out the New Deal... If that happens then we will have armed revolution... I don't want that...

There are two very different choices!!!

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Amos
Date: 30 May 12 - 05:54 PM

IF you hire up a president who will maker things worse, then they'll get worse. Not that the president is the sole determinant, but he has more influence than any other individual on the tone that comes out of Washington and the national esprit de corps.

The lassitude and apathetic gloom being offered by some is in contradiction to the many things that are improving despite huge efforts to the contrary.

A

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 May 12 - 04:29 PM

Defeatists!!

The adage "You can't fight City Hall!" was started by City Hall.

And there are people here who are buying that!

Pathetic!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 May 12 - 03:26 PM

Yeah, okay. ;-)

I don't think that those who are gone are necessarily "gone" in the ultimate sense. They're just not "here" anymore, that's all. I might be right, I might be wrong, we'll find out in due course of time. Or we won't. As the case may be. What I mean is...if there's no afterlife, then we won't find out, cause we won't be conscious following death. And if there is an afterlife, then we will find out. Hopefully.

I tend to look considerably beyond the possibilities of this immediate existence here....but I agree with you that there is still much to enjoy in the moment, just in the many small things that we can enjoy in our daily lives.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: GUEST,saulgoldie
Date: 30 May 12 - 03:16 PM

Hope and the lack of optimism are not mutually exclusive. You can be pessimistic and realistic, and yet still hope for better than you think might be. And just because we may be going down the tubes doesn't mean that we can't enjoy the moment, the song, the food, the laughs, the company, the drink, the kiss, the...whatever. It really is a "mighty short trip from the cradle to the crypt" as Steve Goodman says. And once gone, we are dead for a very long time. Give yourself a break, Hawk, and try to lighten up a bit.

Saul

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 May 12 - 03:03 PM

I'm not all that optimistic, actually. I expect that things will continue to get worse for most people (in a political and economic sense), and I don't think there's anything I can do about it in terms of affecting the larger picture. I prefer to avoid fighting with other individuals here about it, however, and I try to confine my criticism to social systems, political leaders, and political systems rather than aiming it at specific individuals on this forum. Does that give an impression of optimism? It beats me why people here have to stoop to insulting each other over their various disagreements on politics.

Mind you, I see even worse stuff on Youtube. The world seems to be filled with people in a constant state of rage, and looking for someone they don't even know to vent it on. It's quite discouraging, to put it mildly. Makes me wonder why I even bother opening the page.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: akenaton
Date: 30 May 12 - 02:48 PM

Yes Little Hawk it would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.
Do you think there is any hope for this generation of spoilt children with their weakness for heaping ridicule on one another?
Remember the fun they had with Mrs Palin?

I've just been reading a wonderful book about the enclosure of the common land in England and how it signalled the end of self- sufficiency and the peasant culture.
All the old peasant crafts were lost and people were forced to buy the necessities of life, which meant economic enslavement.....the sale of their lives, freedom, and strength, to buy back what was actually theirs of right.
The same is happening today, while we support our "favourites", and ridicule our "enemies".

Sometimes I feel depressed by our foolishness, how do you keep so eternally optimistic?

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 May 12 - 01:29 PM

Choosing between Obama and Romney is like choosing between a rubber chicken and a wooden nickel. It would be kind of funny if it didn't matter.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: GUEST,saulgoldie
Date: 30 May 12 - 01:16 PM

Even with most of the Repub circus out of the ring, there is still plenty of entertainment value in the remnants.


A new conspiracy theory: Is Romney a unicorn?

By Dana Milbank, Published: May 29

The time has come for Mitt Romney to prove it once and for all: Is he or is he not a unicorn?
Let me stipulate that I have no proof that Romney is a unicorn, and indeed I want to believe that he is not. But I have not seen proof of this because he has not released the original copy of his long-form birth certificate.
There are many others who feel as I do — 18,000 people to be precise. I first began to consider the possibility that Romney might be a unicorn when I heard that LeftAction, an online petition operation created by Democratic PR guy John Hlinko, was campaigning to get the Arizona secretary of state to certify that the presumptive Republican nominee is not a mythical beast before allowing his name to be on the presidential ballot.
"There has never been a conclusive DNA test proving that Mitt Romney is not a unicorn," the group wrote last week. "And if Mitt Romney is or may be a unicorn, he is not Constitutionally qualified to be president."
The mittromneyisaunicorn¬.com campaign came about because Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett, citing allegations that the birth certificate President Obama released is a fraud, threatened to take the incumbent off the ballot.
Obviously, the likelihood that Romney is a fanciful equine is no more plausible than the claim that Obama was born in Africa. So why is the unicorn fair game? Because Romney has made it so.
Romney is scheduled to hold a fundraiser Tuesday night in Las Vegas with Donald Trump, the nation's most prominent "birther." The real-estate tycoon, in interviews last week with the Daily Beast and Tuesday with the Las Vegas Review Journal, revived his charge that Obama was born in Kenya.
Romney on Monday declined to repudiate Trump, telling reporters aboard his plane: "I don't agree with all the people who support me. . . . But I need to get 50.1 percent or more. And I'm appreciative to have the help of a lot of good people."
It's not the first time Romney, who once distanced himself from the birthers, has failed to stand up to sinister elements on the right. But this is a particularly unsavory crowd.
Some members have already turned against Romney. In a lawsuit filed in March, a group of birthers sued to require California to verify the eligibility of all presidential candidates. Obama is "arguably ineligible," the plaintiffs wrote, and "a similar situation may exist concerning the Republican Party candidacy of Mitt Romney." A lawyer for the birthers said the claim is related to George Romney's time in Mexico as a child.
Give these birthers some credit: They may be crazy, but they're nonpartisan. In fact, if Trump and his ilk want to be fair about it, a white presidential candidate with a foreign-born father deserves to be badgered into releasing his birth certificate just as much as a black presidential candidate with a foreign-born father.
There actually is a minor controversy surrounding Romney's birth certificate. Boston Globe columnist Joan Vennochi, pursuing a theory that the candidate's middle name is "Milton" rather than "Mitt," asked Romney's campaign five years ago for a copy of the birth certificate. The campaign declined.
I would prefer it if presidential candidates didn't need to produce vital records to prove eligibility. But if Romney is going to pal around with birthers — especially a newly reborn birther such as Trump — he shouldn't be surprised that people want him to play by the same rules.
That was the thinking behind the unicorn campaign. When Arizona's Bennett said he was investigating Obama's eligibility because he received 1,200 e-mailed requests, Hlinko's group wanted to see what Bennett would do if presented with even more requests to investigate an equally implausible claim against the Republican. LeftAction claims 18,000 have petitioned Bennett so far.
The secretary of state has retracted his threat to keep Obama off the ballot after Hawaii yet again verified the president's birth. But the request for a unicorn probe, Bennett said, is "ridiculous."
The "corners," as we unicorn movement followers call ourselves, agree that ours is "a cockamamie conspiracy theory with no basis in reality," as Hlinko put it. And yet, he told me, "it's arguably more plausible" than the Obama-Kenya claim, because nobody has seen whether Romney has a unicorn's horn beneath that ample mane.
"If he would just shave his head, the whole thing would be disproved," Hlinko offered.
I'd settle for a long-form birth certificate.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: saulgoldie
Date: 30 May 12 - 05:41 AM

And yet, one more...

        
May 29, 2012
Trump Could Help Romney Win Elusive Billionaire Asshole Vote
Bid to Woo Top .00001%

NEW YORK (The Borowitz Report) – Businessman Donald Trump's endorsement of former Governor Mitt Romney could help the presumptive GOP nominee win over the support of a constituency that has been cool to him thus far: billionaire assholes.

Reportedly, the top .00001% wealthiest Americans have regarded Mr. Romney with suspicion to date, wondering, in the words of one billionaire, "if he's really one of us."

"It's a bit of a reach for us billionaires to vote for someone like Romney, who just has a couple of hundred million in the bank," said Grayson Rance, a billionaire who has so far viewed the former Massachusetts governor warily. "But if a bona fide billionaire asshat like Trump is for him, that makes you give the guy a second chance."

Mr. Rance said that it was hard to believe that Mr. Romney, "who only owns five or six homes, could relate to people like us and understand our problems," but that Mr. Trump's thumbs-up "counts for a lot."

Speaking on CNN's "Situation Room," Mr. Trump told host Wolf Blitzer his reason for endorsing Mr. Romney: "After four years of a President who was born overseas, its time for a President who was born here and sends his money overseas."

As for Mr. Romney, he experienced a rare emotional moment on Memorial Day, placing a wreath on the Tomb of the Unknown Banker.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: saulgoldie
Date: 25 Apr 12 - 01:31 PM

Andy is just too much fun to not share. Here is another one...

        
April 25, 2012
POLL: Majority of Republicans Guess They Have to Support Fucking Romney
Lack of Other Option Cited

NEW YORK (The Borowitz Report) – In what Romney campaign insiders are hailing as a sign that the party faithful are rallying around the former Massachusetts governor, a new poll released today shows that a majority of Republican voters agree with the statement, "I guess I have to support fucking Romney."

When asked why they were now ready to cast their vote for Mr. Romney, a majority of those Republicans polled "strongly agreed" with the statement, "Why do you think? No one else is fucking running anymore. Stop asking such stupid fucking questions. I don't need this shit."

Underscoring the sense that he is now the presumptive nominee, the Romney campaign unveiled a new slogan this morning, "You Have No Other Options Anymore. Start Dealing With It, Losers."

After sweeping five primary states Tuesday night, Mr. Romney was exultant, telling supporters in Manchester, N.H., "I love American democracy. I'm good friends with the owners of it."

The wins by Mr. Romney forced former House Speaker Newt Gingrich to suspend his campaign, telling reporters that he was leaving the race "to spend more time with my families."

As for former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum, he offered Mr. Romney this endorsement during an appearance on CNN: "Yeah, I guess I support him, because, well duh, I have absolutely no other choice. Right? I mean, really, Piers, what kind of moronic question is that? I guess this goes to show that you can be a total douchebag and still win the nomination if you have the most dough. I mean come on -- this whole situation makes me want to throw up. My only consolation is that on Judgment Day I'm going to Heaven, and we'll have to see what happens to Mr. Magic Underpants. Haha. Yeah. Sweet." Get a free subscription to the Borowitz Report here.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: GUEST,999
Date: 17 Apr 12 - 01:30 PM

Excellent piece here that dovetails with Saul's post.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: saulgoldie
Date: 17 Apr 12 - 08:33 AM

Ya know, the Dems have a golden opportunity to show the true face of today's Repubs. Iif they do ad overlays of the current crop against quotes and actions of, like Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Eisenhower, and even RxR, who they love to revere, the current crop would look very stupid and radical.


Ronald Reagan says...

Saul

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 04:26 PM

Yup. So how does one "vote out the fascist pigs" when it is corporate funding that gets them elected...by way of corporate-owned media coverage...and quite regardless of their party affiliation?

How?

Dennis Kucinich was not one of theirs, and he's no longer going to run due to gerrymandering which carved up his traditional voting district in such a way that he couldn't win. Nice maneuvering there by those in charge of perpetuating the fascist pig system. Yes, they control the GOP. The problem is...they control the Democratic Party too. And they keep you all mezmerized into separate warring camps by the 2-party divide which they CONTROL at both ends. So watcha gonna do?

Are the Republicans worse than the Democrats? Yeah. But it shouldn't just be a question of choosing "the lesser of 2 evils" between 2 sets of imperialist fascist corporate-funded dupes when voting in a government. That's not good enough for any place that dares to call itself "the land of the free", if you ask me.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: olddude
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 01:37 PM

well when you declare big corporation now are "people" and can contribute any amount of election money they want, "tax free I may add"
You will get as candidates, those hand picked few who are inside the deep pockets of such "people/corps".

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 12:52 PM

Beat down unions... check

Destroy sane campaign finance laws... check

Pack the Supreme Court with partisan clowns... check

Buy up the media... check

Run on "jobs, jobs, jobs" and then attack women instead... check

Push fear... check

Sell millions of guns to fearful people... check

Use media to demonize anyone who is even moderate... check

Pass laws that allow white people to kill black people... check

Shred the New Deal... next

Vote out the fascists pigs...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Amos
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 12:46 PM

Hey, Ray Bradbury could do wonders with it, and he's still alive!


A

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 12:42 PM

"Remember, Luke! The Farce is with you." ;-)

Yup, looks like one of the cruddiest elections ever is on its way to its next excruciating chapter. I remember thinking way back at the very beggining of the Republican race..."It's obviously going to be Romney that runs against Obama. He's the perfect marshmallow candidate (willing to fit into any aperture...utterly devoid of actual character or honest identity)."

The others were just there to provide the usual nonsensical drama. It's like a big soap opera. Just a media show to make people think they have a functioning democracy.

When Romney runs against Obama, that'll be the final installment in this giant, pathetic soap opera, and no matter which one of them wins, the insanity that is the neocon/neoliberal fascist Amerika in the 21st century will reel drunkenly on, killing Third World people, putting people out of work, provoking needless wars, and oppressing its own citizens.

What a cheerful prospect...

I bet it felt a lot like this living in the last couple of hundred years of the Roman Empire, but things moved much more slowly then.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: olddude
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 10:38 AM

I am thinking now of a write in, Chongo, or any catters want to toss their hat in the ring, ya will get my vote.

Strange election year! I keep looking for Rod Serling to come back from the dead and make a new twilight zone show about it

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Stringsinger
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 10:29 AM

The GOPlers are running a circus.

The myth of moderation in politics is a media creation.

Obama will continue his wars.

Robocorp Romney will continue to be stiff until his wife unzips him.

That will require two automobile elevators in his La Jolla home.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Wesley S
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 09:42 AM

"What happened to their belief that God urged them to run?"

Maybe that's God's little plan to make us grateful that none of them DID win.......

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Apr 12 - 04:07 AM

It has been a most strange year. When this thread started the GOP was fielding the strangest crop I've ever seen or listened to. Now, practically a year later, most have been winnowed out (What happened to their belief that God urged them to run? Did he ever promise them they would win?

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Amos
Date: 04 Apr 12 - 03:01 PM

It has been tried over and over, and it has not shown itselfg to be true.

Knocking ten points of the middle class rate and tacking it onto the >1M cats would probably do more for the economy, by far.


A

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Apr 12 - 02:59 PM

If you suddenly become aware that "trickle down" actually seems to be working, it's because somebody up there is peeing on you.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Apr 12 - 09:13 AM

Seems to be "true" to an awful lot of brain-dead people who support the TeaPublicans tho, don't it?

No facts need apply.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: saulgoldie
Date: 04 Apr 12 - 06:08 AM

Y'know the whole crop of Repub candidates keeps repeating the nostrum that lower taxes on the -getting-richer-all-the-time class will "allow" them to "trickle it down" to the rest of us.

Bush, the elder, called Ronald Reagan out on that calling it "voodoo economics." He was right. And it is no less true today than it was back then. But the current crop repeat it as a mantra, as if repeating a lie enough makes it true.

Saul

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: saulgoldie
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 09:10 PM

Hey, d'ja see the Etch-a-Sketch for sale on eBay? It is, get this, autographed by (wait for it)...





Mitt Romney! Wahooah!

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: saulgoldie
Date: 14 Mar 12 - 10:32 AM

Oooh, oooh! 300!

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: saulgoldie
Date: 14 Mar 12 - 09:07 AM

What? We've lost interest? Is it too, um, boring?

Given the way the numbers are coming in, methinks it looks more and more like a brokered convention. Ohboy!

Saul

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 10:14 AM

..............oh my.... and the thought of a Republican administration getting 'any' sort of control over all that.

the basic article

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: GUEST,999
Date: 09 Feb 12 - 09:56 AM

I don't think there will BE elections.

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/top-secret-america/articles/a-hidden-world-growing-beyond-control/

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Wesley S
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 01:22 PM

Mr. Logsdon said that these obstacles "could prove fatal to his historic bid to become the nation's first openly assholic President."

And here I thought that honor belonged to George Bush Jr.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 01:11 PM

Sounds like Social Darwinism. The way to make everybody rich is to let all the poor people die off as soon as possible.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: saulgoldie
Date: 08 Feb 12 - 11:59 AM

OMG! I just can't help but share these nuggets from Andy--

        
February 8, 2012
Fact That No One Likes Him May Be Hurting Romney
Could Foil Bid to Become First Openly Assholic President

DENVER (The Borowitz Report) – Exit polls from last night's Republican contests reveal that former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney's key obstacle to gaining the GOP nomination is the fact that voters cannot stand him.

According to Davis Logsdon, who conducted the polls for the University of Minnesota's Opinion Research Institute, "Despite his superb organization, funding, and ground game, Mitt Romney is having trouble overcoming the perception among voters that he is a ginormous dick."

Mr. Logsdon said that these obstacles "could prove fatal to his historic bid to become the nation's first openly assholic President."

Exit polls taken last night bear out that theory, with a majority of voters agreeing with the statement, "I think Mitt Romney is so odious, I would rather vote for a random doofus I've never heard of who goes around in sweater vests."

The beneficiary of that sentiment last night was former Sen. Rick Santorum, who told supporters at a victory rally in Missouri, "I support the rights of the unborn child until it's born and wants a gay marriage."

Speaking to supporters in Denver, Mr. Romney uttered what some political experts are calling a possible gaffe: "I don't care about all the people who didn't vote for me. They just envy my massive wealth. And poor people? They can curl up die, and I won't lose a wink of sleep. I bet you a million crisp dollars from my vault in Geneva."

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: akenaton
Date: 26 Jan 12 - 07:55 PM

More "abusive, exaggerated satirical crap" from the rabbi?

Well, at least its not funny.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: gnu
Date: 26 Jan 12 - 07:38 PM

"... Jeb Bush..."

Nah, he won't run against Obama. He's gonna be Pres after Obama's next term.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: GUEST,Wesley S
Date: 25 Jan 12 - 07:41 PM

Thanks Saul. I need that one. I'll be sending it to a bunch of my relatives right away.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: saulgoldie
Date: 25 Jan 12 - 11:22 AM

Once again, from Andy Borowitz. Offered for your edification...

        
January 25, 2012
Obama Risks Alienating Republicans By Using Facts
Radical Tactic Sparks Outrage

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report) – In what some critics are calling the most radial tactic ever employed in a State of the Union Address, President Barack Obama risked alienating congressional Republicans last night by repeatedly using facts.

Mr. Obama stirred controversy throughout the speech with his relentless references to facts, data, and things that have actually happened, all long considered the third rail of American politics.

As the President made reference to tax rates and unemployment numbers, as well as sixteen separate mentions of Osama bin Laden, congressional Republicans' blood began to boil.

After the speech, a furious Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell told reporters, "It's been a longstanding tradition in our politics not to use facts in a State of the Union Address, a tradition the President chose to ignore in an outrageous way tonight. I won't stand for it and the American people won't stand for it."

"We want to work with the President for the good of the American people," added House Speaker John Boehner. "But he's going to have to take facts off the table. That's a deal-breaker for us."

The President did not mention any of his GOP presidential rivals by name in his speech, but at one point said that government should be "leaner," a blatant jab at former House Speaker Newt Gingrich.


Saul

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Dec 11 - 02:35 PM

Oh, *I* doubt it, too.... but people like Rove must see what a disaster this is turning out to be. They will try 'almost' anything to ensure gaining & keeping power... even to engineering a sneak play at the last minute.

(Can't you see promising some of these 'clowns' a post somewhere if they will play dead at the right moment?)

I would LOVE to be wrong about this, but it worries me a bit.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Dec 11 - 07:37 PM

Ahhhhh, yes, Bill...

That is very much a possibility but I don't think it's going to happen... And even if it does, unless Jesus comes back, I doubt if a convention ticket can win...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Dec 11 - 07:27 PM

I STILL say we need to be careful, because the Republicans could arrive at their convention with no candidate selected... and as I understand it, they could then nominate almost anyone, from Christie to Jeb Bush to ...ummm... Boehner..... or Trump, who just said he might run (again) if there seems no good choice.

"Who..me?. Well, for the good of the party, I suppose so. Why no, I haven't spent any money so far...but you can send me some."

Too far out? Maybe... but they are tired of ALL the clowns so far, and there has been NO caucus or primary yet. In 6 months, they may be frantic.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Dec 11 - 07:14 PM

I bet all of this doesn't worry the Wall Street banksters one bit.

Subject: RE: BS: 2012 Presidential Election
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Dec 11 - 07:09 PM

Seems that the Repubs are going thru one round of "buyer's remorse" after another... And they hate it... Reality is setting in that they don't have a candidate who can beat Obama...

B~