BS: KKK/Tea Party Day

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 10:31 AM

Good on you, Richard...

Whaddayathink about my "Angry People Write Checks" bumper sticker???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 08:57 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 08:45 AM

No, GfS... Strings is 100% correct... Black has everything to do with it... I live in the South and I know these people and how they feel... I hear it almost everyday... Maybe in the Northwest, where I think you live, folks may not be *as* racist but racism is institutional and the Reopulican and Tea parties understand this and understand that...

...angry people write checks!!!

(BTW, the "Angry People Write Checks" is mine... I came up with that one all on my own... Thinking about having bumper stickers made...)

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 01:46 AM

"The Tea Party movement has at its base a reaction to a Black President. Health Care has nothing to do with it."

Now THAT'S ABSOLUTELY STUPID!!! Black has nothing to do with it. I'm not a 'Tea Partier'...but really, when are the idiots going to stop using the racial prejudice bit???

Do you only change your tires when they blow out, too?

GfS

P.S. Now just WHO is using hate speech, as a tool???

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 30 Mar 10 - 01:17 AM

Handy Guide to how Republicans and Fox News are responsible for Census worker being hanged

Sep 24 2009
        
We need to absolutely expose Glenn Beck, Michele Bachmann, Michelle Malkin, CNN's Lou Dobbs, Michael Steele, Rush Limbaugh and the legion of others parroting right-wing lies for trumping up this nonsense and getting people to now commit murder in a hideous fashion.

The FBI is investigating the hanging death of a U.S. Census worker near a Kentucky cemetery, and a law enforcement official told The Associated Press the word 'fed" was scrawled on the dead man's chest.

The body of Bill Sparkman, a 51-year-old part-time Census field worker and occasional teacher, was found Sept. 12 in a remote patch of the Daniel Boone National Forest in rural southeast Kentucky. The Census has suspended door-to-door interviews in rural Clay County, where the body was found, pending the outcome of the investigation.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jbzG_...

Why did this happen? Oh gee whiz, let's see...
Michele Bachmann was on Glenn Beck's Fox News show today, and the result was an absolute panic over the 2010 Census. Beck worried that by not filling out the Census the government could take away his gun. Bachmann also continued to claim that the Census information could used to put Americans into internment camps.

FOX distorts, people die

Sadly, there will be more instances of hate from the RRW....because the media hatemongers will not stop. It's what they do.

That is so so sad.. his poor son and loved ones. There's gotta be some accountability for the lies and hate being pushed by the people who profit from it.

So true. The cop killer in Philly can be added to their culpability list of radical killers incited by the hatemongering promoted by the GOP.

Send the body to Glen Beck.

---

OOPS

(AP)   A U.S. census worker found naked, bound with duct tape and hanging from a tree with "fed" scrawled on his chest killed himself but staged his death to make it look like a homicide, authorities said Tuesday.

Bill Sparkman, 51, was found strangled Sept. 12 with a rope around his neck near a cemetery in a heavily wooded area of the Daniel Boone National Forest in southeastern Kentucky. Authorities said his wrists were loosely bound, his glasses were taped to his head and he was gagged.

Kentucky State Police Capt. Lisa Rudzinski said an analysis found that "fed" was written "from the bottom up." He was touching the ground, and to survive "all Mr. Sparkman had to do at any time was stand up," she said.

Police who investigated the death of an eastern Kentucky census worker found naked, bound and hanging from a tree learned that he told a friend he intended to kill himself and that he had chosen the time, place and method to do it.

Police records about the death of Bill Sparkman were released Friday to The Associated Press.

Who are the hate mongers?

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Alice
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 12:56 PM

C-Span video discussing how polarization of the country and the congress is rewarding extreme views and how dysfunction of congress is increasing.

C-Span, Civic Engagement - Coffee Party USA

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Stringsinger
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 12:48 PM

The Tea Party movement has at its base a reaction to a Black President. Health Care has nothing to do with it. Palin, McCain, and the GOP are stirring up hatred in this country and attempting to hide behind a false populism.

The throwing of bricks through glass windows, the violent talk of "reloading" and showing of gunsights, the angry mob unruliness of the Tea Party bringing loaded weapons to political rallies has not been really censured or criticized vehemently by the TP'ers. The rise of right-wing "militias" and the "birthers" plus the underground endorsement of violence by so-called Christian leaders is indicative of what is going on now.

Hate calls to congress people and senators, spitting on public officials, homophobic remarks by hate-filled TP'ers resemble the rise of a right-wing "putsch" in this country. The TP'ers are racists and have no legitimate justification for their violence. The GOP is complicit
in stirring it up.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Mar 10 - 08:35 PM

Wow, Alice... I was watching Ms Sarah on the late night news... John McCain was tanding behind here... When she went into that Tea Party stuff you could just see on McCain's face that it wasn't one of his finest moments... I was sorry to see the guy go thru that... His finest moment was during th campaign and this woman got up and was saying that Obama was a Muslim and this and that and McCain stopped her and corrected her... That McCain was the real one that most of us have known for decades... The new one just wnats to get re-elected... For what??? So he can get a Rupert Murdock perfect attedence award???

Oh... Thanks, Amos... Sawz won't talk about what he has done or knows personally about hunger in America because he can't... All he knows is how to do is find some site (any site will do) that irregarless of how illogical their so-called information may sound is the Holy Grail and last word in Saws-Truth-dom...

BTW, it isn't just kids that are going hungry... It's adults, too... When I was in social work a large portion of my time was spent talking to ministers to get their congregation to keep their food closets stocked and carrying food to adults as well as children...

(Well, Boberdz... Can you provide proof of your social work carrer???)

Yes, I can... Plenty of them, too...

But nevermind me... This thread is about the Tea Party... BTW, folks... If one person had to get the bulk of the credit for the Tea Party it's Rupert Murdock for having his FOX un-news become the orgainizing arm of the Tea Party... Without FOX there would be no Tea Party... Intersting op-ed in today's Washington Post by Colbert King who equates the Tea Party folks to the same kinda folks who wer the followers of George Wallace...

(But, Bobert, no, that can't be... All they want is states rights and not have the federal government mingling in their affairs...)

Hmmmmmm, isn't that what George Wallace said, too???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Alice
Date: 27 Mar 10 - 05:09 PM

We have more "Palinisms" coming our way:

Speaking at a McCain campaign rally, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin issued the following warning to the most extreme elements in the Tea Party movement: "Anyone who uses threats of violence will be in my crosshairs."

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 27 Mar 10 - 03:18 PM

You first Amos.

You are also entitled to your opinions.

As far as trolling, he starts entire troll threads to whip up animosity toward others just because he disagrees with them. He seems to think this escalation of controversy is some sort of honorable accomplishment on his part.

To open this thread he states that white people hate President Obama. He states that thye have a "blatent hatred of Obama".

Then he states "The rednecks are getting to be rather disgusting little hypocrits"

I find that highly offensive, blatantly racist and incendiary but Bobert claims he is so educated that he is allowed to do such things which he constantly claims others are doing wrongfully.

I don't hate Bobert or anybody, I am just questioning his "facts" which he refuses to back up.

Instead he angrily says I have to do this or that because he can't back them up. In stead he says I am too stupid. I need an education so I can attain his level of intelligence and somehow earn the right to call Obama a "n**ga"

He tells me "You claim that only about half a million kids go to bed hungry" on me when I am quoting what I consider to be reliable sources.

This highly educated person claims I have an unfair advantage because I can make blue clickies.

Bobert, if you look real, close you will see on the right side of the box that you type your posts in, some blue words that say Make a link ("blue clicky"). Now click that and another window will pop up. In that window are two boxes.

In the top box you paste the URL that you want the clicky to jump to. You get that by highlighting copying and pasting it from the URL box at the top of the browser screen when you are viewing the target page.

Then in the next box down type the words you want to be blue and lead to the target.

Then you click the create link button.

Then another window opens and you copy and paste the second row of text into your post.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Amos
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 04:09 PM

Sawz:

Your accusations of projection, of Bobert being a racist, and so on seem a bit over the top. He's described what he has done to help offset hunger among low-income families. What has your own contribution been on this front? Do you mind my asking?


A

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 04:06 PM

You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you in the ass... Yer just playing childish games and I have better things to do with my life than play then respond to you incessent trolling... Oh yeah... Enroll in "Critical Thinking 101" and then maybe you'll understand reality 'cause right now it's well out of your reach...

Bye...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 01:26 PM

Talk is cheap ain't it? It's backing up your facts that is the hard part.

This whole thread is to stir up hatred for the tea party by projecting you racist views and hatred on other people. To instigate a lynch mob.

The only reason for you to do this is simply because you disagree with them and you hate anybody that disagrees with you. You call them stupid if they don't agree with you.

Then you go on about buying guns and violence is the only answer and revolution.

And you call me angry? Who is the angry one?

"they were filled with contempt (hate) of Obama"
"I saw some very hatefull signs"
"promoting hatefilled demonstartions"
"promoting hate is against the law" [pot and liquor laws excluded]
"The KKK epitomized the kinda hate that we witnessed this past week."
"They just hate the governemnt"'
"they really just flat out hate the governemnt"
"Yeah, they hate the governemnt "
"But they sho nuff hate the governemnt"
"I hate it that 1 in 5 children go hungry at night"
"Don'tcha just *hate* it when ol' hillbilly knows what the heck he's talkin' about??? lol..." [I like it when he know what he's talikng about]
"I reckon that Sawz will come along now and say I hate America"
"I hate it that if you do what Tom Jefferson expected us to do in questioning our governement then the right says you hate America" [example?]
"I hate it that a Tea Party gun-nut"
"There ain't enough hate in the world for this brand of right wing haters"
"so consumed with hate that many would love nothin' more than to see the United Sates become a "failed state" because of their hatred of a black president"
"Yer the governemnt hater here"
"The fact that I hate the behavior I am seeing by an ignorant minority of racists"
"Too many hatefull signs and too many hatefull screamers"
"I think it is fair game to brand their organization a hate oganization"
"the longer that the right is defined as violent people who hate the government"
"I hated his policies"

I don't hate Bobert or anybody, I am just questioning his "facts" which he refuses to back up.
I will defend Bobert's right to say whatever he wants to say and to believe anything he wants to believe.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 07:44 AM

First of all, I don't need to get off my "lazy ass" to talk about hunger in America... I spent two decades workin' around it, living in it and I fully understand what I am talking about... Not from what think but from what I have seen and experienced... That's the difference between US, Sawz... Where you think you undertsnd stuff you really aren't able to *know* things unless you have the experience to know them...

Secondly, yeah, you a good as taking things completely out of context... That entire thread, which you haven't mentioned and you fully know that 99% of the people here won't open and look at because that smae numebr just ignore all of your blue clicky things, was about me confronting a number of people about "codified racism"...

(Is that right, Boberdz??? Are you trying to tell me that you were single handedly trying to make a point to a number of folks who were using "code" for racism???)

Yeah, that's exactly what that thread was about... I took on a number of bigoyed people, they all banded together like bigots do and woofed, woofed all that same-old-story that racists tell to make themselves feel all warm n fuzzy... Thay din't like being called down and so after that I left that web site... And so did alot of other people who I have had and continue to have contact with who left for the same reason...

Lastly, Sawz... If you still want to pursue your little theory that ol' BObert is a racist then once again I'd invite you to take the entire thread, either this one or the one you linked to the ootgher site, and have a professor of race studies read it...

But you won't do that because you know deep inside that you are wrong... That is what is so meesed up about your thinking...

That about says it... I'll continue posting to this thread when it is approproate in reagrds to the Tea Party and racism but...

....as for you Sawz... You are just another angry troll and, frankly, not worth my time so see ya around...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 01:16 AM

"Since January the Secret Service has logged more death threats to the President than all previous Presidents combined."

CBS News

The director of the Secret Service today disputed widely-reported claims that President Obama is receiving more death threats than previous presidents.

At a congressional hearing into the White House security breach that took place last week, when Tareq and Michaele Salahi "crashed" the White House state dinner, Secret Service Director Mark Sullivan said the current threat level against the president is normal.

"The threats right now ... is the same level as it has been for the previous two presidents at this point in their administrations," Sullivan said....

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 12:46 AM

Dear Bobert:

"So I challenges you to provide a budget for a family of 4 living at the poverty level as a first step toward your 3 credits in "Critical Thinking 101" but you ignore that because you'd rather btalk about Obama's friggin' airplane???"

I asked you where you got the 1 in 5 children fact from and all you can come up with is a accusation that I need to do something to prove you are right.

Why don't you get off your lazy ass and prove yourself right Pop?

Or is your ego in control?

I don't need any credits from somebody who believes that in "Haiti 1% owns all the wealth"

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 12:28 AM

Dear Songbob: look under the date 01-25-09 21:30

Dear Bobert: "Sawz facts"... You claim that only about half a million kids go to bed hungry"

I never made the claim. I quoted the numbers from the USDA's response to my email and from the Obama website. Neither of them said anything about the going to bed part.

"BTW, Sawz... The claim of 1 in 5 children go to bed hungry is from statistics provided by, ahhhhhh, the leftie U.S.D.A!!!

Google "1 in 5 Children Hungry" for deatils...

Don'tcha just *hate* it when ol' hillbilly knows what the heck he's talkin' about??? lol... "

EMail from USDA: "Not all children in such households experienced that condition themselves. The exact number is not known, but it was between 506,000 (the number of households in which those conditions existed for at least one child) and 1,000,000 (the number of children who lived in those households). Our statistics do not, however, provide any information about whether children went to bed hungry, and, indeed, we do not ask such a question on the survey.

Obama website: "According to the Department of Agriculture, in 2006, 430,000 children in the United States experienced hunger."

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 11:51 PM

Quick skim through this one reminds me why I don't come by much anymore. Why would I have any interest in the rantings of dickheads who are either willfully ignorant, or (more likely) chronic and acute sufferers of Dunning-Kroger Syndrome. You assholes know exactly who you are.
Cheers.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Songbob
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 11:23 PM

I can't believe I came back to this benighted thread.

Sawzaw sez:


"Here is the quote by Bobert but he still claims I am a liar and that he never called Obama a ni**a."

... So I clicked on the link. And there is NOTHING in the linked page to sustain your cockamamie theory, man. NOTHING. If it appears somewhere else, SHOW US.

Put up or shut up, sez all of us (save perhaps Bearded Bruce).

Bob

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 10:45 PM

Anybody that disagrees with Bobert is a liar or stupid.

Here is the quote by Bobert but he still claims I am a liar and that he never called Obama a ni**a.

You can see the context where he is trying to turn shortcomings in the Obama administration into a racial issue and then projecting the problems on people that he demonizes as racists.

He is constantly demonizing "r******s" and trying to blame anything he thinks is a problem on them.

R*****k is a pejorative that Bobert uses in his rants to foment hatred for people that simply disagree with him.

The Tuscaloosa News:
"in the 1960's, r*****k took on a crude, derogatory meaning, used to stereotype the poorly educated, racist whites who opposed, often violently, the civil rights movement."

I agree that "Some of us don't worry about race; we actually look at the man's words and deeds and consider him based on those. It's obvious you are not able to do that and instead filter the world through your own bigoted glasses."

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 05:25 PM

Yes, Bobert, they have. But if you don't listen to them, I guess you can claim they never did.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 05:22 PM

Yer too stupid, I guess, to understand the context of that post, Sawz... How about printing the entire thread and let folks choose for themselves if I called Obama a "nigga"!!!

But you won't do that because what was written was part of a larger discussion where I was bouncing between me and what my neighbors think... In other words you have taken a statement completely out of context which makes you either...

... a liar or...

...like I said, too stupid to undertsand the context of a much larger and involved thread...

BTW, the reason that alot of folks I have spoken to who have left that website is because there are too many arrogant people there... You, apparently, being one of them...

BTW, folks... Any Repubs step up today to Reneck Nation???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 12:58 PM

"I have never called Obama a "ni**a", Swaz, and you know it... In other words, you are a liar!!! Liar, liar, liar!!! How's them apples, liar???"

It's right here but you didn't use the asterisks:

So ya'll righties want to see the country sink further in the recession to get the "ni**a" out???

A response from another poster:

"Bobert,

The problem isn't code words or institutionalized racism or subconscious racism.

The problem is that you project your own racist thoughts on the rest of the world. Stop accusing others of subscribing to your own personal prejudices. Some of us don't worry about race; we actually look at the man's words and deeds and consider him based on those. It's obvious you are not able to do that and instead filter the world through your own bigoted glasses."

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 07:27 AM

We3ll, seems the isolated incidents are becoming much less isolated... Here in Virginia the Redneck Nation published the wrong address of a Representative who voted for the health reform bill and one of their tribe cut the gas line going into that house which had it not been detected could have burned the house and it's occupants to the ground... Then there are dozens more incidents where Dems are having their lives and the lives of their families threatened...

So seeing that the Repubs now understand that we have progressed (degressed) to more than the isolated incident phase of the threatened abnd carrued out violence by Redneck Nation John Beohner, after a minute's worth of *Well, the Dems did this and ther dems did that so my people are angry* finished up with a *day-late-dollar-short violence is wrong*....

Why not just say it without all the Dems did this and that attached to it??? Huh??? That's like sayin', "I'm sorry if that hurt you but..." No sorry in there...

No, the Repubs are gonna have to do bettee than that or come elction time they are going to lose the moderate voters who don't want to be associated with Redneck Nation...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Mar 10 - 07:27 AM

Exactly, Amos... The problem here is that without Redneck Naztion the Republicans are in big trouble and they know it so...

... as a consequence Redneck Nation gets quite a lot if press time which, in turn, eggs them on just that much more... Heck, I was watching NBC news -- you know, the news outlet that Dougie says is liberal -- and the signing of this historic legislation into law by Obma got about 30 seconds and Redneck Nation got over a minute???

As long as folks are willing to give them attention and not call them for their tactics they will get worse and worse and worse...

You can take that to the bank...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Amos
Date: 24 Mar 10 - 12:26 AM

I doubt you'll get any kind of metric of merit from counting Google hits, since it is largely a funcion of media fever peaks and valleys. I think it would be interesting to compare the number of urgent protesers who marched against a universal healthcare program, compared to the numbers who marched against the Iraq war.

Interesting that all those who hullabaloo against taking a bit more care of their fellow Americans had NO objections when their trillions were being spilled on the sands of Mesopotamia, huh? Not a word about the deficit, the blood, the death. How strange the hearts of men. These same people, trying to find reasons to support the McCain/Palin ticket, could find nothing more persuasive than "drill, baby drill!", a commitment to wastrel lifestyles ongoing. How decent, how thoughtful, how compassionate!! Spend a trillion to wipe out Iraqis without blinking--death is after all our most important product. But a trillion to make the nation more stable by making healthcare affordable? OOoooo no, that would be socialism, as opposed to imperialistic fascism.


This sort of white-hot irresponsibility is for the birds, Bruce. It is a shameful reflection on our standards of thoughtfulness and decency, you ask me.

Not that you would.


A

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 10:27 PM

Me, too... It wasn't right... Had it been any one of the thousands of folks I helped to oraginze in the 60s I would have taken them aside and told them to apologize...

But, lets get real here about history... While I apologize to you for some asshole spittin' on you I don't just go and say that the Tea Baggers get some sort of pass on civility... This stuff is what it takes to create that "perfect storm" in the 60s that got some very important leaders assasinated...

Maybe folks on the right think it's perfectly okay to purge the other side's leaders when it suits them but I don't... I didn't much like it in the 2000 recount was taking place in Florida and pain goons intimidated poll workers trying to do their jobs...

There seems to be a pattern developing here which is very similar to things in Germany in the 30s... As long as yer on the armed thug side all is fine... But those pin-head intellectuals gotta go...

And here the United States is struggling to create jobs in an ever globalized economy and education is now the enemy... Good manners and civility are the enemy???? Respect for our neighbors is now the enemy??? African Americans (yeah, Americans) are now the enemy???

Ya'll gonna have to give this ol' hillbilly a break here...

BTW, beem me up, Scottie... No one is gonna hold the bully rednecks accountable for their borish, moronish behavior...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Amos
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 09:58 PM

Wal, Bruce, I dunno who spat or where or on whom, but I sure do apologize to you for that. It wasn't right.


A

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 08:58 PM

As I said, on Fox they are being called for it (O'reilly, to be specific) Waiting on even one apology from an anti-war leader for being spit on...

Again, HOW many cases of n****r or spitting on Congressmen were there?

ANd there are as many calls for Bush to be killed as there are for Obama, and ditto on implying that they are Hitler. About the same numbers, but you seem to be blind to those that Liberals did.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 08:54 PM

No, bruce, I do get the point...

When folks were disrepsectfull in the 60s they were called for it... That is the difference...

Ya'll get yer rednecks to act more civilly or yer gonna find yerselves out in the cold until you can...

We tried very hard in the 60s to do just that...

b~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 08:48 PM

He's only 15 months in- give hime time...

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Amos
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 08:41 PM

Well, on the other hand, Bushed caused thousands of times more deaths than Obama...



A

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 08:35 PM

Kill Bush - 11,628



kill Obama - 10,321

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 08:32 PM

to be fair...

Obama as Hitler


Now, look at the number of hits-

Bush   10,903
Obama 10,600

"I don't remember any that suggested any violence or portrayed Bush as Hitler"

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 08:28 PM

Bush being portrayed as Hitler...

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 08:24 PM

Bobert,

You miss the point: AS MANY people spit on congressmen as spit on me.

YOU are saying that makes all the Tea Partiers guilty- even those presently on Fox decrying the actions. So, why should I accept that YOU are any different than you claim the Tea Partiers are?

I hold no animosity toward the anti-war protestors- just the few that spit on me. So give us all a break and stop telling us how all Tea Party members are racist rednecks- I will admit a few are, just as a few of the anti-war protestors were nasty SOBs. OK?

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 08:00 PM

No, they don't. bruice... I attended most of the anti-war demonstartions in D.C. in the lead up to the Iraq war... Yeah, there were plenty that were anti-Bush... There were plenty that wer anti-war... I don't remember any that suggested any violence or portrayed Bush as Hitler... Bush as a monkey??? Yeah... But that's good clean fun at a demonstration... Hey, that's what we di in the 60's, too... But the hate was for policies... Not people... I mean, I never wanted any rral harm to come to Bush even though I hated his policies... And I don't think anyone who was in those D.C. demonstrations wanted Bush to be harmed, not the less, killed... Yeah, like I said back then when I was accused of hating Bush: You got the wrong man... I don't (didn't) hate Bush... I don't (didn't) hate Dick Cheney... Or Paul Wolfowitz... Or Richard Pearle... But...

...I hated the Hell outta them invading Iraq...

That's the big difference, bruce, that you probably cannot ever comprehend becasue you weren't on the front lines of the civil war or anti-war movement... Yeah, you perhaps don't understand just what a profound effect that Dr. King had on all of us who were there fighting to stop an immoral war and to confront racism...

The number of Congressmen that were spit on isn't the issue... The issue is that no one from the right has/had the balls to stand up to the spitter and say "Hey, man, that was messed up... Don't do that kinda thing again..."

That is what is at issue here...

Had I been an organizer of a demonstration in the 60s where one service brother or sister was disrespected I would have made it a point to persoanlly apologize to the that person and would have had the spitter removed from the demonstration... And that is the way that everyone I organized with would have handled it...

Ya' see, bruce... We were orgainizing with church groups, and old ladies groups and all kinds of people and we were trying our best to turn tyhe other cheek as Dr. King taught us... I can truthfully say that in almost 10 years of being involved in demonstrating and orgainizing I never once saw a service person disrespected... Never!!!

The Vietnam War wasn't called up by the grunts... It was called up by the usual chicken-hawks, Kennedy and Johnson and later Nixon... 99.999% of the anti-war folks understood this...

Like I said in my last post, the only time I ever encountered folks preaching violence was by folks who I think were FBI plants... Never, ever the anit-war/civil rights folks I knew all over the South...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 07:38 PM

"BTW, just check out the signs, bruce... Yeah, google up picture of Tea Baggers... There's plenty of them... You would never have seen signs like these at any anti-war or civil rights demonstrations in the 60s... Never!!!
"

Perhaps, but they compare easily with the anti-Bush demonstration incited by liberals and the NYT...


THAT is a better comparison- and I didn't see any effort by liberals to decry those signs or demonstrations.


How many Congressmen were spit on? Seems like a very small minority to me.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 07:33 PM

Well, you are in a very, very small minority, bruce... The spitting story that has taken on Holy Grail porportions over the years has been debunked... Yeah, there were a few incidents... I am sorry that you were involved with one of them but...

...to brand a decade of demonstrations where 99% of the people were non-violent and non-vilence was preached heavily in cities accross the country as equal to what we are seein' now is down right wrong... It plays to an old lie and therefore folks think that todays' behavior is no worse than the 60s... That is complete and utter bullshit...

BTW, just check out the signs, bruce... Yeah, google up picture of Tea Baggers... There's plenty of them... You would never have seen signs like these at any anti-war or civil rights demonstrations in the 60s... Never!!!

The fact that none of the righties here is wiloling to step up and say that things have gotten outta control here is the same as what we are seein' on the larger stage... No one has the balls to tell the rednecks that rude and uncivil behavior is not appropriate...

I will make this prediction: If the right wing cannot find the courage to stand up to Redneck Nation then they ain't gonna win the moderate voters... Yeah, they might do okay this November but the longer that the right is defined as violent people who hate the government the longer it is going to be in exile once that the moderates catch their breath and think about how they want America's future to look... And you can take that to the bank!!!

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 07:08 PM

** I ** was spit on- crewcut, AF/CAP UNIFORM.


So don't tell me it did not happen.

YOU may have advocated non-violence- and MOST of the Teapartiers may also- HOW many (of the millions) have you seen advocating any more violence than many ( including here ) advocated against Bush????

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Amos
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 06:52 PM

I was in demonstrations in the 60's civil rights movement in two cities. Never had a ruction or a hint of violence in either one.

A

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 06:25 PM

You might want to do a little research, bruce...

I was there, too... I orgainized marches in over a dozen cities as an organizer of SOC (Southern Organizing Committee), SCLC (Southern Christain Leadership Council) and VCU's RSU (Radical Student Union which was affiliated with SDS, Students for a Democratic Society)... In every one of those events pains were taken to appoint enough people to act as monitors along the marching route and at any events where people congrigated to listen to speakers... The purpose of the monitors was to be sure that demonstrators acted peacefully, didn't damge any property and we generally respectfull... I mean, we had to get permits for these things and if you messed up then you weren't going to get any more permits...

That was reality in both the civil rights and anti-war movements... Ask anyone who was an organizer...

Yes, there were fringe groups... Yippies were obnoxious... Some of the SDSers wer obnoxious... But the main civil rights and anti-war groups repeatedly spoke out against their tactics...

That is the difference we have now... No one on the right has the balls to speak out for civility...

We spoke out and spoke out loudly against violence... After all, we were followers of Dr. King... At least 99% of us were...

BTW, in 1970 during the Kent State shootings I was "rector" of the Radical Student Union at VCU and I knew every anti-war student at the campus and three guys show up at one of our meetings talkin' burning down VCU's presdient's house, which was on campus... I didn't know these guys and they really hardly had long hair... Maybe a couple months worth of growth... So I was thinking that they were FBI... I donno... So I asked them to leave... Until then I had been involved in so many dmeonstartions that I had lost count but this waas the first time that I had heard anyone openly advocate violence... And to this day I think they were plants...

But the reality is that we were trying to change society and end a stupid war using non-violence... No spitting... No name calling... Just good community organizing and lots of cool signs and lots of noise... That was it...

So, yeah, there is a major difference between what those of us did in the 60s and what the Tea Partiers are doing today...

You may have been there, bruce... I donno... But if you were there you surely missed the esence of what it was all about...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 05:42 PM

" Every attempt was made to respectfull in the 60s... "

Not if you wore a uniform in public. YOU may have done so, but the vast majority of "peaceniks" treated those in uniform far worse than the Congress people have been. ** I ** was there.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 03:38 PM

Too many hatefull signs and too many hatefull screamers at these Tea Party rallies to think these things just isolated incidents... During the campaign these were the same folks who showed up at Palin rallies yeliing "hang him" in regards to Obama... I here these people every week in the area I live...

What I am saying is that it is well out of hand and folks need to act more like adults at these Tea Party rallies... Look at the pictures of them and count the signs that suggest violence...

Until the Tea Party has the balls to stand up to its members and tell their members to act like civilized people then I think it is fair game to brand their organization a hate oganization...

During the 60s I was involved in both civil rights and anti-war demonstrations as both an organizer and a participant and we always were respectfull of our fellow brothers in the armed services... We even admitted them to our concerts at the Center for the Performing Arts for free... That is the difference here... Every attempt was made to respectfull in the 60s... The Tea Party organizers are 100% opposite that and they need to stand up and show some respect to not only people they disagree with but black people in general... If they won't do that then the KKK label seems appropriate...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: beardedbruce
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 12:29 PM

Bobert,

You need to be more carefull about your statements:

SOME members of the Tea Party may be as you describe- YOUR statement would be like me saying that "Hippies are all a bunch of people that spit on those in uniform." I can state for a fact that there are SOME who did- to blame ALL of them is not reasonable.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 07:47 AM

I have never called Obama a "ni**a", Swaz, and you know it... In other words, you are a liar!!! Liar, liar, liar!!! How's them apples, liar???

I have "reported" things that are being said and won't be bulliecd by you or anyone else from doing that...

As for racist??? What a joke, man... You don't know jack about me or the things I have done... Racist, my butt... The fact that I hate the behavior I am seeing by an ignorant minority of racists who operate as the Tea Party makes me a "hater" of those behaviors, of better put, misbehaviors... They are the worst of Southern Man thinking... Seems that the Reoublicans in Congress have been sucked into that mob-mentality, too... And it is disgusting, un-civil, borish, rude, inconsiderate, bullying and shows the worst side of man... Yeah, I hate those behaviors...

BTW, LiarSawz, as far as I am concerned those who show unthinking support for such behaviors are just as guilty as the spitters and hoodlims...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Sawzaw
Date: 22 Mar 10 - 11:53 PM

How about Bobert calling Obama a ni**a?

"So ya'll righties want to see the country sink further in the recession to get the "ni**a" out???"

Yes Bobert, there are still some die hard racists around and you are one of them.

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Songbob
Date: 22 Mar 10 - 11:15 PM

Of the 436 Congressional Districts (including the District of Columbia), 311 had a food hardship rate of 15 percent or higher. In 139 of them the rate was 20 percent or higher. Practically every Congressional District in the country had more than a tenth of respondents reporting food hardship.

My source

So the 1-in-5 isn't universal -- but it is f*cking shameful.

And no pick-a-small-detail-while-missing-the-point right whinger can say it isn't!

FOAD, Sawzaw! You belong with the epithet-shouting, spitting-on-people Tea Klux Klan, and, on any blog, would be treated to "Don't feed the troll" posts. Here, you just stink up the place.


Bob

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Mar 10 - 08:11 PM

Well, Ake... I got plenty of time... Yeah, I'd really like to hear a response from the folks who have attacked me here for making a suggestion that the same kinds of folks who are in the Tea Party now were the kinda folks that once were in the ranks of the KKK...

Yeah, I'm real curious as to how Sawz will try to twist this one into chicken salad when it is clearly chicken shit...

Maybe he'll try his "Bobert drinks moonshine" defense... No, no... I got it... He'll bring up the fact that I have smoked pot with my son... Yeah... That oughtta divert attention away from the redneck/Tea Party folks who spit on balck Congresspeople and shouted nigger at them...

BTW, as per my usual day in rural America I heard yet again today in regards to Obama, "Someone oughtta shoot that nigger"... Guess it was a joke???

What isn't a joke is the very uncivilzed nature of the Tea Party... If they were on the left we'd have SWAT teams parachuting down on them and killing them but we, as a nation, have collectively given heavially armed sub-cultures a pass if they are white... Hey, it's the American way... I remember when the Black Panthers bought a few guns the government went after them like they were al-qaeda but seems that the government thinks when rednecks do the same thing it's just "boys being boys"... No, it's not!!! It's a bunch or racist assholes that need to be treated for what they are and what they represent!!!

If ya'll rednecks here (and you know who you are) want another round of the 60's then keep it up... Eventually the civilized among us will have had enough of yer bullying and borishness and shoot back... Don't think it can happen??? Just keep it up!!!

B~

Subject: RE: BS: KKK/Tea Party Day
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Mar 10 - 06:53 PM

Well, if you've got a few hours Bob!! :0)