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Subject: RE: BS: Men and the porcine element From: gnu Date: 02 Feb 02 - 07:50 AM Nothing turns to hate quicker than love. Can't take credit for that one. My mother told me that one. Maybe that's where the sayings are coming from, my female side. It's postulated that we all have both male and female sides. I hope I never find mine... nevermind. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Men and the porcine element From: AllisonA(Animaterra) Date: 02 Feb 02 - 07:21 AM My favorite pig song is Tails and trotters by Judy Goodenough, right here in the DT. My morris team even does a dance to the tune! Re your other question, not all men are pigs, any more than are all women. Carol, My son is also a fine upstanding gentleman. So is the other significant man of my acquaintance. But they both, and we all, are human, and that can lead to all kinds of trouble now and then. My two gentlemen excepted, of course (but I'm still in a rosy glow these days...) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Men and the porcine element From: Liz the Squeak Date: 02 Feb 02 - 07:14 AM So what animal does that make us ladies?? I like to think I'm a cat... soft, fluffy, independent; but it sort of falls apart when it comes to the sticking my ass in your face and licking my own private parts..... LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Men and the porcine element From: gnu Date: 02 Feb 02 - 06:53 AM CC... "Is there any hope?" Of course. As long as it's the defenses that do the bumping first. Hope is always there, but, for most of the walking wounded, there's not much time left. Shite !!! I'm just a philosophizing fool here this AM. Must write some of these down before I forget them. Yes, men and women are both subject to these results. However, I believe men are much more romantic by nature, thereby more easily duped, and tend to get cut deeper by betrayal. Kinda like how a dog is loyal even when beaten... until it snaps and will bite anyone. Still, you can only poke the dragon so many times before you get burnt. GEEZE, I gotta start a file ! Where are they coming from ? Must be the combination of tea and snow shovelling early in the AM. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Men and the porcine element From: Murray MacLeod Date: 02 Feb 02 - 06:32 AM One version of the Pig Song". I do a different version which is more poignant and funnier. I will post the lyrics when I am fully awake. Murray
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Subject: RE: BS: Men and the porcine element From: RichM Date: 02 Feb 02 - 06:29 AM Because I like you *just the way you are*, Carol... Rich |
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Subject: RE: BS: Men and the porcine element From: CarolC Date: 02 Feb 02 - 06:24 AM Damn, RichM. Now can you give me any reasons why I should remain a woman? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Men and the porcine element From: CarolC Date: 02 Feb 02 - 06:18 AM Still up here, Mr gnu. It sounds like you're saying that men get a kind of trench warfare mentality about women if they have a bad experience with one (or more than one). I suppose women might develop a similar state of mind with regard to men after they have experienced a failed relationship in which they feel that they have been treated unfairly, as well. Doesn't look too promising for the walking wounded, does it? I'm envisioning all of these barricaded men and women colliding, with their defenses all bumping and crashing into each other. It almost seems like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Is there any hope? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Men and the porcine element From: RichM Date: 02 Feb 02 - 06:11 AM This, just emailed from a friend (male!),and presented with tongue firmly in cheek: Damn, It's Great to Be a Man!! * Your last name stays put. * The garage is all yours. * Wedding plans take care of themselves. * Chocolate is just another snack. * You can be president. * You can wear a white T-shirt to a water park. * Car mechanics tell you the truth. * You don't give a rat's ass if someone notices your new haircut. * The world is your urinal. * You never have to drive to another gas station because thisone's just too icky. * Same work... more pay. * Wrinkles add character. * Wedding Dress $5000; Tux rental $100. * People never stare at your chest when you're talking to them. * The occasional well-rendered belch is practically expected. * New shoes don't cut, blister, or mangle your feet. * One mood, ALL the damn time. * Phone conversations are over in 30 seconds flat. * You know stuff about tanks. * A five-day vacation requires only one suitcase. * You can open all your own jars. * Dry cleaners and hair stylists don't rob you blind. * You can kill your own food. * You get extra credit for the slightest act of thoughtfulness. * If someone forgets to invite you to something, he or she can still be your friend. * Your underwear is $8.95 for a three-pack. * If you are 34 and single, nobody notices. * You can quietly enjoy a car ride from the passenger's seat. * Three pairs of shoes are more than enough. * You don't have to clean your apartment if the maid is coming. * You can quietly watch a game with a buddy for hours without thinking "He must be mad at me". * You don't mooch off other's desserts. * You can drop by to see a friend without having to bring a little gift. * You are not expected to know the names of more than five colors.
* You don't have to stop and think of which way to turn a nut on a bolt.
Damn, It's Great to Be a Man! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Men and the porcine element From: gnu Date: 02 Feb 02 - 05:27 AM CC.... you've been up all night pondering this ? 0104 to 0455 ? You must be drinking some STRONG tea, maid. CC said... "I was afraid he might have meant that there are no men who can be trusted or who can be counted upon to behave with integrity in their dealings with women." There may be an iota of truth there, in that I know a lot of guys who don't trust women. Men are much more romantic, or "love" driven, than women when it comes to choosing a mate. Women choose based on the abilities of a man to be a good father. Men choose based on "love". Yup, they think with their dicks... until they mature, somewhere around thirty or forty years old. So, when a man takes on this attitude, due to a failed relationship(s) in which he believes the woma(e)n has(ve) treated him unfairly, and he is not yet mature, he may "proceed" without any intention of "calling her later". It's all about about trust and maturity... do unto others before they do unto you. Love is the illusion that not all women are the same.
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Subject: RE: BS: Men and the porcine element From: Dave Bryant Date: 02 Feb 02 - 05:22 AM There is folk song - I think it's originally French. I've got it somewhere on my record of "Wait a Minim" (South African revue with Jeremy Taylor). It's sung with in French with the English translation following: Little Jane she took her sickle For to go and cut some flowers. On the way she chanced to meet Three young men - all very handsome. The first was rather shy He kissed her on the cheek. The second - not so shy He lifted up her pretty dress. The third one a thoroughly bad sort - No we won't tell you in this song If you ladies only knew You would also pluck some flowers ! The moral of this story Is that men are just like PIGS The moral of this moral Is that WOMEN LOVE PIGS The song is called something like L'arilletta which is sung as a chorus. I've heard it sung since and you can always what prportion of the audience understand the French words by who laughs when. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Men and the porcine element From: CarolC Date: 02 Feb 02 - 04:55 AM Well, I did ask him, but he just did a Jack Nicholson impersonation and said, "The truth? You can't handle the truth!"
But I'm pretty sure he's not gay.
Thanks so much for that Bardford. But now I'm a bit concerned for your physical safety. You won't be finding a gang of goons on your doorstep preparing to break your knees now that you've told the secret, will you?
I really do appreciate these responses. I was more than a little concerned by my friend's assessment of men in this regard. I was afraid he might have meant that there are no men who can be trusted or who can be counted upon to behave with integrity in their dealings with women. I certainly don't want to believe that. And I would still love to hear what others have to say about this, as well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Men and the porcine element From: gnu Date: 02 Feb 02 - 04:11 AM I think men are groundhogs. We've even got our own day ! Looks like we're going to get sixteen more weeks of winter this year, because the furry little buggers, even if they could dig their way through the frost, would turn tail when they got to the three feet of snow we have on the ground. Are men basically just lazy, dumb, selfish animals, aka, pigs ? Some. So are some women. Am I a pig ? No. I'm gnu.... and I obviously need some tea to start my day off. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Men and the porcine element From: GUEST,Jack The Sailor Date: 02 Feb 02 - 03:04 AM There are worse things to be called than a pig. Pigs are intelligent and supremely useful creatures. There are many people, many of whom are men, who don't share those attributes. One should note however, that when dealing with pigs, one should expect piglike behavior. Don't expect them to move aside and let the ladies be first to the trough. In general I think that male humans behave in a more porcine manner. But since hogs are not prone to deceitful or cruel behavior, I believe that in the boar or sow, rather than a man or woman. The pig's greed and ill manners are much more honourable. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Men and the porcine element From: Roger in Sheffield Date: 02 Feb 02 - 02:36 AM Carol it might be easier to ask your friend what he meant Since no one has asked the obvious, is he a gay man?, that could explain a lot |
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Subject: RE: BS: Men and the porcine element From: Liz the Squeak Date: 02 Feb 02 - 02:28 AM Pigs are actually quite nice, clean animals who have no sweat glands and a fine, friendly and sociable nature. Not all men are pigs. Some are koala bears. Unsociable, permanently doped out of their heads (all that eucalyptus you know....) and they have flatulence like you wouldn't believe..... Some are sheep, thick and follow the crowd, some are snakes, smooth, dry and smothering. LTS
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Subject: RE: BS: Men and the porcine element From: leprechaun Date: 02 Feb 02 - 02:27 AM Does this have anything to do with that guinea pig you were going to get? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Men and the porcine element From: GUEST,Bardford Date: 02 Feb 02 - 02:26 AM Geez, Carol. Who is this friend of yours, and why has he divulged The Big Secret That Men Are Honour-Bound Never To Divulge? I'll probably get in trouble somehow for this, but big hairy deal, so here goes: Regards the pig definition: My guess, and this is just a guess, mind you, is that pig in this sense refers to the, um, baser qualities of this earthbound existence. Yer basic primal urges as motivators. Now I'm no psychologist, but I think that a lot of male behaviour is predicated on the biological need for procreation. Mostly it's buried under layers - codes of conduct, etc., and mostly, too, we're unaware that the 'pigness' is present. I'm no Buddhist, either, but I'll bet you that even an enlightened bodhisatva who has shed the raiments of desire will catch himself thinking not-so-pure thoughts about that woman over there. Like the joke goes - you get a penis and a brain, but you can only use one at a time. (Sorry guys, but I thought I'd use that line pre-emptively.) Your son is fine and honourable. So am I, and so, I'm sure, are most of the men you know, as are most of the guys on the Mudcat. We prove it every day by doing fine and honourable things, like working in the community, writing beautiful music, and putting the toilet seat down. But we also make fart noises with our armpits, and we enjoy saying the word 'booger', and we like boobies. Yikes, maybe yer friend is insulting the pigs. This is all hypothetical, of course. If I was a real pig, I'd be over there on one of those other sites. Music content: there are a penful of pig songs in the song challenge. Also sanglachon songs. The sanglachon is a wild pig-type critter that roams the backwoods of France, invading peoples personal privacy. Cheers, Bardford
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Subject: Men and the porcine element From: CarolC Date: 02 Feb 02 - 01:04 AM I have a male friend who insists that men are pigs. I told him that I don't think men are pigs, but he said, "it's nice of you to say that but, yes, they are."
I know my son is not a pig. He's a fine and honorable young man.
Here's my question. Well, questions, actually. The first two are for the men to answer if they would be so good...
First of all, what do you think my friend means by "pig" in this context. What is it about men that makes them pigs (if in fact they are)?
Second, do you think men are pigs?
And third (for anyone to answer), to add a musical element to this thread, does anyone have any good songs about pigs they would like to share, whether they are in support of my friend's contention or not? Thanks. |