BS: Popular views on McCain

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 10:39 AM

I don't know how 'popular' my view of McCain is, and don't give a rip. I think that if the main issue driving voters come November is the war, McCain will win, possibly by a significant margin.

If the economy is the main issue in November, the Democrat will win, whether it is Obama or Clinton it won't matter.

What will matter but most voters won't think about regardless of where we are at with the war, is where any of the candidates will lead us in terms of 'the next battleground'. Because there will be one, whether the charge is led by President Obama, President Clinton, or President McCain, because they are all stickin' with the empire.

Obama seems really ignorant of the issues tied up in the US empire building and US militarism, and that really scares me.

If he would say 'impeachment should be on the table' or that he will go after the crooks in the Pentagon and Defense Dept. I could get on board with him. It is that simple, to win my vote. THAT would be an authentic paradigm shift.

Both McCain and Obama are sitting pretty in their respective parties thanks to fed up w/partisan bullshit independents, NOT their party loyalists. Whether that turns out to be an anomaly this year, and the partisanship machines kick into high gear to kill the independent voter movement beast, we'll see in the post-November era.

But it is no accident that the two candidates with the greatest appeal to independent, rather than partisan voters, is winning this year.

Independent voters were really turned off by the anti-indie/pro-partisan vitriol of 2004, especially when it blew up in the Democrats faces with their loser Kerry--an incredibly AWFUL born with a silver foot in his mouth candidate.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: artbrooks
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 10:12 AM

Now, Kendall - you know Reginslinger will be here in five minutes to tell us all that they did follow us home!

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: kendall
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 08:45 AM

He's a military man. They have to find or create wars to justify their existance.
He, among others, say if we dont fight themover there, we will have to fight them here. Ok, so how come these people didn't follow us home?
Mexico
Spain
Germany
Japan
Korea
Viet Nam
Granada
Panama

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 03:33 AM

I think he has enough to answer for with those oven chips.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Amos
Date: 29 Feb 08 - 11:11 AM

WaPo Columnist:

"...So Obama needs to start thinking about how he will actually implement his vision and better understand the military mindset and the realities for a uniformed leadership that now has its own stake in succeeding in Iraq. Obama needs to redefine the American mission and decouple what Americans should do in Iraq with what America must do against terrorism -- and he needs to embrace the surge.

McCain? Haunted by Vietnam, he raises the specter of al Qaeda "taking" Iraq. A few hundred or thousand terrorists that the U.S. military itself says are practically defeated in the country? McCain is stuck in a false conception -- and an irresponsible scare tactic -- that an attack at home will certainly come if we back off one inch from Baghdad.

McCain pledges to keep U.S. forces in Iraq, and favors adding more troops if necessary. Put aside for a moment the unreality of that plan given how stretched and broken the military itself claims it is. Put aside as well whether McCain hasn't cleverly seized upon the core American dichotomy of hating the Iraq war but hating defeat even more.

The McCain fallacy on Iraq is the suggestion -- his belief -- that old-style, pre-surge "victory" is still possible. Because the Army and Marine Corps are indeed "winning" under the surge, he says it has been successful in changing the political reality in Iraq, and that the non-military needs are now catching up with the military. Here McCain is the naïve one about what the surge was all about and what it has undeniably achieved: Not victory, but change in the terms of the debate to facilitate an honorable American end to the war.
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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Riginslinger
Date: 28 Feb 08 - 11:16 PM

Donuel - It looks to me like the entire country could use an enema. You got to wonder what would come out.

Subject: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Feb 08 - 06:24 PM

http://www.madcowprod.com/02272008.html


With friends like these Lobbists who needs enemas.