Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Sand Dance (Wilson, Keppel & Betty)
From: s&r
Date: 30 Aug 06 - 02:23 PM

You can download a copy from sheetmusic.com for about £2.25.


Stu

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Sand Dance (Wilson, Keppel & Betty)
From: wigan
Date: 30 Aug 06 - 01:58 PM

been looking for the dots for this piece for ages! s&r, persian market sounds like the tune i remember, thanks. if anyone has the dots, i would love a copy, please please etc

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Sand Dance (Wilson, Keppel & Betty)
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Aug 06 - 07:32 AM

If your in the UK you will be pleased to know that the sand dance is still performed by the fabulos fezheads a kent based morris dance side

check out there link http://members.lycos.co.uk/Fezheads/

if you email them they might be able to get you a recording of there performance

regards singe

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Sand Dance (Wilson, Keppel & Betty)
From: GUEST,Annie
Date: 15 Aug 06 - 06:22 PM

Yorkshire Ann (& other prospective sand dancers) I have been known to do a version of this to 'In the Old Bazaar in Cairo' (both A & B pieces ) Basically you can do it one behind the other in a long line one way then a quick turn and back the other at appropriate times in music and according to size of room/space available. If appropriate this can turn into a Congo type line through the pub or wherever. Do you know what a 'step ball change' is (ask a tap dancer to demonstrate) then do it with a bit of a hop and with the same foot lead all the time. Use same arm as leg. To break it down -eg
step onto right foot then ball of left foot keeping it behind right leg. Keep repeating while moving forward. Turn as required by quick 180 degree jump then use other leg to give the right one a rest. Arms - bend front arm to look like swans neck (good visual image for special needs teaching ) with its head about level with your nose. Back arm straight and slightly behind back with hand turned palm up at right angles.
Variation - stand side by side in line bend knees and open and close them (charleston/black bottom style) whilst holding onto knees with hands. This works equally well with arms crossed or uncrossed.
Add a few changes of direction to this a few solo/duet bits and hey you have the makings of a sand dance. Hope this helps!

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Sand Dance (Wilson, Keppel & Betty)
From: s&r
Date: 15 Aug 06 - 03:29 PM

Don't read it

Stu

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Sand Dance (Wilson, Keppel & Betty)
From: Compton
Date: 15 Aug 06 - 02:19 PM

This dear old thread had been dancing around since the millenium!..Can it noy be knocked on the head?

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Sand Dance (Wilson, Keppel & Betty)
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 15 Aug 06 - 04:20 AM

It's also very popular with me, Bryan in Australia - nothing wrong with a good old dollop of whimsy now & then, to lift the spirits; Ketelbey's 'Mystic Land Of Egypt' & 'In A Chinese Temple Garden' are also pretty damn good - just avoid the dirgy 'Bells Across The Meadow'-type glop, & set your cynicism aside..

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Sand Dance (Wilson, Keppel & Betty)
From: s&r
Date: 15 Aug 06 - 04:05 AM

Here is a link to a midi of in a Persian Market. This sounds like my memory of the Leicester Square sand dance

Stu

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Sand Dance (Wilson, Keppel & Betty)
From: GUEST,Bryan in Australia
Date: 15 Aug 06 - 03:24 AM

The tune is from "In a Persian Market" and the description on the music is "The beggars in the Marketplace". The piece was written in 1920 by Albert Keteleby who was a writer of music to accompany silent films. There is a CD out called "The golden age of Albert Keteleby" (or something like that) and the "Persian Market" is included.

I recently played this piece with my local orchestra and it is still very popular with audiences.

Cheers

Bryan

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Sand Dance (Wilson, Keppel & Betty)
From: s&r
Date: 04 Aug 06 - 09:25 AM

Ballet Egyptien here


Stu

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Sand Dance (Wilson, Keppel & Betty)
From: GUEST,YORKSHIRE ANN
Date: 03 Aug 06 - 03:19 PM

I am also desperate to find the music to the WKB Sand Dance, I work with a Drama Group (Learning Disablities), they are performing Music around the World this year and this music would be great and fun for them to do, Please Please can you help. Ann

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Sand Dance (Wilson, Keppel & Betty)
From: GUEST,Nell at The Paul O'Grady Show
Date: 28 Jul 06 - 12:38 PM

Hellllllp! I am hoping someone has the answer to this endless thread. We are taking some twins to America on Wednesday where they will be performing The Sand Dance for a Talent Show. I have choreographed the dance but fo the life of me cant find a lively version of The Egyptian Ballet for them to perforn to. I need a copy fast.... Help.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Sand Dance (Wilson, Keppel & Betty)
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jul 06 - 07:31 PM

where can i download the wilson, kepple and betty sand dance music please

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Sand Dance (Wilson, Keppel & Betty)
From: GUEST,Henry Burek
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 07:06 AM

Further confirmation of "Ballet Egyptien" as WK&B's sand dance tune can be can be found in 'Roy Hudd's Cavalcade of Variety Acts' (Robson Books, 1997) which also relates the interesting facts that Wilson and Keppel first met up in the USA and that the band parts for the sand dance (in use for three decades!) were arranged by Hoagy Carmichael.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance
From: GUEST,Burek, Henry
Date: 10 Apr 06 - 03:01 PM

"In a Persian Market" and "Old Bazaar in Cairo" are certainly plausable contenders for the WKB sand dance tune. But I can confirm, having now seen the Pathe clip, that the tune is from Luingini's "Ballet Egyptien". It's a piece I'm familiar with having recently played it as an instrumentalist in a military band concert.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance
From: GUEST,Vern Diesel
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 06:27 PM

The dance is on The Best of british Comedy Films. I bought the video just for that dance. They are dressed as arabs and one snake charms the other. It is hilarious. But they made it a montage. it might be complete or at least 90 %. I am trying to find some of the number in its entirety. They say its Wilson and Keppel in the credits. Good day.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance
From:
Date: 10 Dec 05 - 12:04 AM

Hello. The Baim Collection has a film entitled STARLIGHT SERENADE (circa 1946) made by Federated Film Corporation which contains two dance sequences. Contact via the web site www.baimfilms.com

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance
From: Long Firm Freddie
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 07:10 PM

Here's a link to
British Pathe, where by searching their news archive you can find a clip of Wilson Keppel & Betty (search on Wilson Keppel). Beware the rather ghastly minstrel troupe that appears at the end of the clip, though!

It's free to register, and you can download low quality preview clips with no charge.

There's loads of other music hall stars as well.

LFF

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance
From: Kenny B (inactive)
Date: 01 Aug 05 - 02:57 PM

Hi
N Taylor
How long can you wait.
I am in Boston athe moment but will be in a position to send it on Sunday when I return to the UK
Kenny B

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance
From: ard mhacha
Date: 31 Jul 05 - 04:38 PM

I have a very funny video of the pair doing their sand dance to a dubbed on Irish Reel, and almost perfect timing, a rare treat.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance
From: GUEST,n.taylor
Date: 31 Jul 05 - 04:33 PM

does anyone have the sheet music? need to perform it at a party with an arabian night theme..

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance
From: Torctgyd
Date: 05 May 05 - 06:20 AM

Morcambe and Wise definitely used the first part of In A Persian Market in their skit on WK&B. The first time I knowingly heard IAPM I immediately pictured the WK&B sand dance. Perhaps they used both tunes stated here during their sand dancing career?

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance
From: Compton
Date: 04 May 05 - 08:13 PM

Just a thought about "Old Bazaar in Cairo"...written a long time before Clinton Ford....Certainly performed by George ("Turned out nice again") Formby!!

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance
From: GUEST,Maurice Hubert
Date: 04 May 05 - 03:07 PM

It certainly wasn't In a monastry Garden and I can tell you that was written Albert Kettelby who also wrote Bells across the meadow. These and some others were issued on anvynil album by Decca back when pontious was a pilot. I think it was the ace of clubs label. I heeard it being used in a hi fi demo and just had to buy it because it was almost funny.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance
From: GUEST,nathan
Date: 04 Feb 05 - 11:30 AM

i and friend called warren have performed the sand dance several times for many vaudeville shows at our theatre company 'Total Theatre'in western australia. we emulated it as perfectly as we could from an australian video called 'Vaudeville' - ABC publishing i think.
the music is called Luigini's ballet. or so i have heard. i wouldn't suggest using the sheik of araby, lovely as it is, but it is far too 'Hollywood' and not quircky enough.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance
From: GUEST,DavidW
Date: 16 Jan 05 - 12:17 AM

THe music originally used in the 1930's was "Ballet Egyptien" by Luigini.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance
From:
Date: 16 Oct 04 - 06:01 PM

Could we replicate the sand dance from images in the Newcastle video.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance
From: s&r
Date: 13 Oct 04 - 04:31 AM

Here is a site where I found a comprehesive Midi of the Ballet Egyptien, which plays in Finale very well and I would think many other programs.

You need to log in as a free member, which takes a few seconds.

Stu

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance
From:
Date: 12 Oct 04 - 05:33 PM

There is a video entitled "Jokes That Won The War" that contains two acts by W K&B available from, NOSTALGIA DIRECT PO BOX 1XX, NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE, NE99 1XX Priced at £14-99 + P&P.
Hope this is of some help.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance
From: Compton
Date: 07 Jul 04 - 07:49 PM

Guest...get the video!! see into this thread

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Jul 04 - 08:07 PM

I need a cd of wison, kepple and betty music and hopefully a video or dvd of them in action as we are doing their routine for our local am dram show in september
can anyone help
neil spruce-phone [phone]

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jul 04 - 08:48 AM

Old Bazaar in Cairo opens:

When the moon shines bright take the first on the right
Give the sing-sing sign as you go
There'll be silk and lace in the market place
In the Old Bazaar in Cairo.

Harum Scarum what d'you think of that
Dirty strip-tease dancing on the mat
Oompah oompah that's enough of that
In the Old Bazaar in Cairo.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance
From: GUEST,DaverB
Date: 02 Jul 04 - 08:23 AM

If anyone wants the dots to Ballet Egyptien, In A Persian Market or even In A Monastry Garden, try asking your local brass band. These pieces were staple diet for concerts and fetes, and I would expect most bands of reasonable age to have these tucked away in their library. We certainly seemed to play them ad nauseam in the '60s, but great fun

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance
From: Billy Weeks
Date: 01 Jul 04 - 12:13 PM

But I'm sure Guest Noel, despite his bad tempered intro, is right. Maybe you could do a bit of this hilarious dance to the soppy 'Persian Market' but you need a more lively number to sustain all that continuous crazy shuffling. When I last saw them (1950s) it was certainly 'Ballet Egyptien'. And yes, there were several Bettys. I think she was there mainly to contrast with the knobbly-kneed, cadaverous W & K.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance
From:
Date: 30 Jun 04 - 03:25 PM

Re Wilson Keppel & Betty, Having seen this act at least three or four times in the 1940s at the Empire Theatre Leeds. I can confirm that the music used was part of Albert Ketelby's "In a Persian Market". By all accounts there were numerous "Betty's" used during the time the Sand Dance was performed over the years.               Oh happy days, Ed.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance
From: GUEST,haha
Date: 17 May 04 - 03:20 PM

hahahahahaha

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance
From: GUEST,Noel
Date: 15 May 04 - 08:23 PM

For Pete's sake why is everyone so lacking in musical knowledge
nowadays - NO! it b****y-well ISN'T Ketelby's Putrid Persian Market, nor even his Morbid Monastery Garden. The W.K. & B. sand-dance music is the first movement of a four-movement concert piece by a little-known nineteenth-century French composer called Alexandre Clement
Leon Joseph Luigini, born in Lyons in March 1850, died in Paris, July
1906. The piece is called "Ballet Egyptien" and was very popular with concert audiences right up to the late 1940s. I have three recordings of it, two them on 78s (four 12" sides) and one on a 45rpm EP dating from the early 1960s. You could have a look on eBay, where a recording of it is bound to come up for auction eventually. Any further help, e-mail me: [e-mail].

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance
From: The Walrus
Date: 15 May 04 - 08:13 PM

I vaguely recall seeing a parody of WK&B's 'Sand Dance' done at a 'Sod's Opera', done by two bods in naval uniform and one 'dragged up' as a wren - they performed as "Nelson, Keppel & Beaty" (The act was pretty dire and best forgotten).

Walrus

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance
From: GUEST,Noel
Date: 15 May 04 - 08:03 PM

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance
From: Kenny B (inactive)
Date: 14 May 04 - 05:05 PM

Video - as requested :<)

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance
From:
Date: 12 May 04 - 04:35 PM

Does anyone know where I can get a video of Wilson Kepple and Betty doing the sand dance???

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance
From: Kenny B (inactive)
Date: 10 May 04 - 04:01 PM

Continuation of the thread creep?
Having seen Clinton "performing" "The Old Bazaar...." on the City of Varieties Stage, the written word does not always convey the underlying humour and the poking fun at ladies in the audience by Clinton that went on during the song.
Keny B

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 10 May 04 - 01:26 PM

Rice pud! Very good!
What's it all about?
Made it in the kettle
And we couldn't get it out.
Everybody took a turn
To suck it through the spout
In the Old Bazaar in Cairo!

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance
From: BanjoRay
Date: 10 May 04 - 12:05 PM

There was a superb little clip of WK & B on the last edition of Have I Got News For You. There's obviously film of them in the BBC archives.
Ray

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance
From: GUEST,Esther A
Date: 10 May 04 - 11:16 AM

I love reading thru this dialogue from folk as fanatical as me !!!   Does anyone know if there is a video available featuring Wilson Keppel and Betty's performance ??

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 03 May 04 - 06:04 AM

• From Grandpappy , Hazel Slade on 02/11/03 15:26
If it's any help, the music they used was a piece entitled 'In a Persian Market' by Edward Ketèlby. I have a piano duet version by Rawicz & Landauer which I bought fairly recently, so it is probably still obtainable.
Cut and pasted froma reply to a request elsewher on the web.

RtS
(still a saddo!)

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance
From: Compton
Date: 03 May 04 - 05:06 AM

The music to "In a Persion Market" is on a wonderful recording by "The Palm Court Theatre Orchestra"!!

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance
From: GUEST,chris nixon
Date: 02 May 04 - 04:37 PM

re Sand Dance...

1. Not the Old Bazaar in Cairo - that was written by Clinton Ford and others which was probably too late for WK&B
2. Persian Market Place is one I remember from variety shows, but try also The Snake Charmer of Old Baghdad (I kid you not...) We used it in similar circumstances many years ago.

Hope this helps

KYBTTS

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 02 May 04 - 01:20 PM

Kettelby the composer was nowhere as exotic as his name as usually pronounced would suggest. Apparently he was called Kettleby, a good northern name, but he thought it common, so changed the spelling slightly, and therefore the pronounciation. So Hyacinth Bucket wasn't the first. Who was it used to say Mr and Mrs Siddibotoom, when he meant Sidebottom?
John

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance
From: GUEST,Frank Jones
Date: 01 May 04 - 07:28 PM

Apparently none of those; try:

'Egyptian Ballet' by Luigini

http://www.peopleplayuk.org.uk/collections/object.php?object_id=1472&back=%2Fguided_tours%2Fdance_tour%2Fpopular_theatre%2Fmusic_hall.php%3F