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Subject: RE: BS: Miscellaneous Iraq- Feb 2003 From: mg Date: 27 Feb 03 - 04:06 PM bee..you are wrong about the tampon wrappings..plastic ones can be used as weapons..invented by a mysogenist...mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Miscellaneous Iraq- Feb 2003 From: Amos Date: 27 Feb 03 - 03:20 PM Thanks, DOug R!! I knew I could count on your inside track for sompn!! :>) BTW, Matriot, you never have accepted the distinction between anonymity -- which never offends anyone -- and anonymous vitriol, harassment, disaffection, disfavor, alienation, estrangement, malice and destructive, panic-mongering, overbearing inconsiderate animosity and ill-will, which seems to be among your own favorite stock -in trade. It is the latter, not the former, which moves decent and intelligent people to want to cut your throat, disconnect from you, send you to Coventry, put you somewhere dark, or somehow train you in the ways of civilization. Whichever comes first. A number of us are working on the project; I'll let you know how we progress.... A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Miscellaneous Iraq- Feb 2003 From: DougR Date: 27 Feb 03 - 01:27 PM Not to worry, Amos, we will send you care packages. :>) DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Miscellaneous Iraq- Feb 2003 From: Amos Date: 27 Feb 03 - 10:44 AM Not me, man. I'm gonna be in a Nazi concentration camp!! You already told me! A |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: GUEST,The Dreaded Guest Date: 27 Feb 03 - 01:17 AM Things are being criminalized, by the way, so you will be forced into slavery. Minimum wage will seem like a fortune in a decade. You'll be working for a cot and a hot under the New Reich. |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: GUEST,The Dreaded Guest Date: 27 Feb 03 - 01:13 AM You can't believe anything you hear on NPR nowadays. They're assisting the US govt in spreading it's CIA terrorism just like all the other branches of the media are. The govt has taken over the media, and NPR most of all. It's run by a former CIA man: CIA man heads NPR The current illegal govt of the US intends to criminalize everything. Everything. You will lose all freedoms, property and liberty within 10-20 years unless you, personally, whoever may be reading this, hold the people responsible for pushing to destroy the U.S. constitution responsible. And here's a piece about the Pacifica station. Isn't that one of NPR's flagships? This piece sounds despondent: Pacifica Radio gone CIA? |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 27 Feb 03 - 12:22 AM I fail to see what it was about the nature of GUEST's post at Date: 26 Feb 03 - 04:50 PM which was originally entitled "BS: Terror Alert Level: Purple Haze!" that got it consigned over to this thread. Is the opinion that the Justice Department is wasting its resources busting people for selling Marijuana pipes when it has more important things to do "frivolous"? I don't think so. In fact, I very well may have started a thread on this subject myself if GUEST had not done so. Would it have been moved to here if a member had started it? Or is it just that this thread is where all BS threads started by anonymous GUESTS are going to wind up, regardless of their subject matter? Sincerely, Bruce W. LaWall Mudcat went down before I got a chance to finish, Bruce. See Thread Proliferation Control (click).
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Subject: RE: BS: Terror Alert Level: Purple Haze! From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 26 Feb 03 - 05:31 PM Yeh, I heard about those busts on NPR. Wonder how many convenience stores are going to stop selling cigarette papers for fear of getting popped. But that's just the tip of the iceberg! Now that they've got all the bongs and papers off the market they will be enacting these new laws next week: 1) Toilet paper and paper towels will be sold without their traditional cardboard core, since such cores can be used to make Marijuana pipes. 2) All tampons must be wrapped in plastic, not thin paper, as it is possble to use such paper in lieu of regular rolling papers for making Marijuana cigarettes. 3) All ballpoint pens will be made in such a manner that it is impossible to dismantle them and thus obtain a metal or plastic tube which can be used for making a Marijuana pipe. 4) The possession of brass plumbing fittings, especially faucet aereator screens, by anyone other than a licensed plumber shall be illegal since such fittings can be used for making Marijuana pipes. 5) It shall be illegal for anyone to sell or possess prepackaged brownie mix as it can be used to make Marijuana brownies. (It shall still be legal to make brownies from scratch, since most stonies can't keep their shit together long enough to follow that complicated a recipe anyway.) 6) The possession of dried corncobs shall be illegal since they can be used for making Marijuana pipes. Bruce |
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Subject: BS: Terror Alert Level: Purple Haze! From: GUEST Date: 26 Feb 03 - 04:50 PM Yah, so have you heard about the latest efforts of our fearless Justice Department leader, AG Asscraft? This will keep us safe from terrorists, I'm sure. Dude! Where's My Bong? |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: stevetheORC Date: 14 Feb 03 - 11:28 AM Well Said Big Mick Orc |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: My guru always said Date: 14 Feb 03 - 10:20 AM Well Said Ebbie! In the last year I've met up with lots of 'Catters, found good music & lovely songs. I plan on meeting lots more Catters. This forum has enhanced my life at the right time and I'm grateful for the freedom it gives me. Simplistic I'm sure, but I'm glad Joe stands in front of my keyboard. GUEST refuses PM's - hardly surprising really is it? |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: Big Mick Date: 14 Feb 03 - 09:55 AM I am just curious, WAMSO Matriot, how much money the nameless masses, in fact you specifically, have ever given to help this place? This "club" you refer to, is really nothing more than a bunch of folks who love this place because it has benefitted them in many ways. That is what Bill is saying. On the music side of things, these folks have contributed much of the older material that is the base of knowledge here. On the personal side, many of us have gone to considerable lengths just to meet some of the fascinating people here. And on the financial side, many of us have put a fair amount of money up. And you folks, the nameless masses you speak for, because of that have a place to use as a reference resource, and in your case, a place to come to where you can salve the sore that burns inside you. It gives you a forum where so many of you "ivory tower" activists can sit and offer lots of criticism but no solutions. That is why you are so resented. You could care less about the Mudcat and its members except as a place where you can take out your frustrations on other folks. Gives you a place where you can feel brilliant and smug. I have a suggestion. Why don't all who post as a GUEST take just $10.00, get a postal money order or something that maintains your supposed "anonymity", put it in an envelope with no return address, and mail it to The Mudcat? We could use that to gauge how much the GUESTS care about this place. And don't give me any of that tired old shit about "Max doesn't account for the money............" as an excuse. Do you know why that doesn't matter to the rest of us? Because we know that this young man literally wrecks himself financially to keep this place going. We know the kind of effect it has on him personally, financially, and professionally. He doesn't keep this going because he needs it personally. He does it because of a sense of obligation for those to whom he knows it has become a very important part of their lives, all over the world. That is why you are so resented. Because you act like this is just your right. You act as though this place exists so you can point out to the rest of us what boobs we are for trying to help keep it going. So take your old phony intellectual bullshit and stick it someplace. You could care less about "all the people who have ever posted here". You are simply a user. I wish it were not so, because I have seen you post some pretty good stuff. But as long as you continue to take that "it's my job to...(fill in the blank)..", phony intellectual attitude, you are the bad guy. Why don't you drop some money in the mail, adopt a handle, and come on into "the club". You might find out that there are some pretty bright folks, who make great friends. I have. Mick |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: GUEST Date: 14 Feb 03 - 07:53 AM BillD, my statement was "of all the people who have ever posted here", not the handful of Mudcat members who have met one another. Since the mid to late 90s when this forum began, until now, there have been thousands of users of the DT and the forum. What are the numbers? We'll never know, of course. But the majority of them have never met another Mudcatter, and of course, the majority of them never will. I do agree the dynamic between those of you who have met is different. But that shouldn't be an excuse for trying to dictate to other users the terms of engagement here, nor should it be used to create a defacto "club membership" among those who use this place as their personal forum to meet up with their Mudcat friends, that privleges them above other users. |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: GUEST,The Hated Guest Date: 13 Feb 03 - 11:18 PM Thomas.gov Look at what I turned up tonight... Go to the URL above and type in s.33 Corporate fascism in action...selling off national forests. s.89 the draft. In the senate |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: Richie Date: 13 Feb 03 - 10:24 PM I see nothing wrong with any GUEST posting anything or starting any thread. I don't think Joe Offer has a problem with this either unless there are too many posts made by one person is a short period of time. Everyone has the right to their own opinion and I encourage GUESTS to participate. -Richie |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: Bill D Date: 13 Feb 03 - 10:23 PM " I'll make a WAG that 99% of the people who ever have posted here,.....etc.etc...." so very wrong...if you read a lot, you know that hundreds of these people ARE meeting regularly, and that entire lives have been changed ...and careers helped... and friendships started... and understandings furthered. These are PEOPLE, and for the most part, nice, congenial people...and I have personally met about 150 of them, and that is far from the record!...and you know what? Not one of them put a bag over their head and refused to let me see their face when they spoke to me!....even when we disagreed.... Only insecure people say controversial things and refuse to even have a 'handle' to set them apart. You can harp all you want on those of us who openly resent your attitude, but just as it seems that you CAN post with impunity, so can we tell you about it! By the way...know any songs?...ever SING? |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: Cluin Date: 13 Feb 03 - 08:08 PM Maybe you just like to post as an anonymous guest because you know that pushes some people's buttons. And that's the whole point of your posting in the first place, right? |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: GUEST Date: 13 Feb 03 - 07:24 PM God, spare us that old sawhorse argument. Mudcat is an internet forum, not a living room where a party is taking place. I'll make a WAG that 99% of the people who ever have posted here, have never and will never meet each other face to face. The social dynamic online is different from a face to face dynamic, no matter how badly the club members wish that weren't true. It's that apples/oranges thing. If the club membership is so desperate for a guest free forum, why not start one of their own, and solve the damn problem right there?There is nothing stopping anyone in Mudcat from forming a membership only web forum for themselves and their Mudcat buddies, just as Jon Freeman did. That is the only way you are going to get to talk with one another and only one another (which seems to be what it is you want anyway) the exact way you want to, because Max has said he won't make this forum member only. Joe Offer started this thread because a couple of the usual suspects started whining loudly, as Lepus Rex pointed out more than once, to start a "flame the guest/troll" thread. I rarely rise to that sort of bait from members, choosing instead just to ignore those comments as if they hadn't been made. But Joe Offer escalated this whole thing by bringing in his new rules just for the posters he dislikes, or who post on subjects he doesn't want to see discussed so much in this forum. So, how many anti-war threads are "frivolous" and who's thread was deemed the "one too many" by Joe Offer? Surprise, surprise. One of the posters that little Mudcat club loves to cyber-stone. I've already spent way too much time and energy on this bullshit. I post the way I like. Max is free to stop me posting to this forum if he wishes. My suggestion to those of you who are so deeply disturbed by my posts--don't read them. It has always been that simple. |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: Bobert Date: 13 Feb 03 - 07:23 PM Ebbie: Now you know the respect I have fir ya' but that's the nice thing about the mouse when folks get stupid, loud or obnoxious: push the button and *flush 'em*. Actually, there are some folks, that unless I'm in a masochistic mood, get the *flush* every time... And I'm sure there are folks who do the same to me... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: Ebbie Date: 13 Feb 03 - 07:07 PM Quote: There are a whole lot of members whose names you will NEVER see in threads like this, or the "Decency of the 'Cat" thread, and who rarely, if ever, have mentioned anything about a guest's identity. enquote and Quote: If enough members get fed up with the Mudcat crew that is perpetually whining about guest identities every time a guest mutters an opinion they disagree with, it would help.enquote Couldn't let that go by in silence. Let me, for one, go on record as assuring you that if 'Guest' muttered an opinion it wouldn't be so hard to take. Instead 'Guest' tends to shout down any opposition, and that is hard to take. We have given many analogies about why GUEST anonymous is hard to talk with but here's one more: Suppose there's a group of people in your living room discussing whatever and whatall. It's a congenial atmosphere, we learn some things, we impart others, we get to know each other... Suddenly- and from then on- a strident voice comes from inside the wall, maybe even from more than one wall, sneering at what has been said and making blanket statements that s/he/it cannot or is not willing to substantiate. If s/he/it misses at one tack, s/he/it takes another, often not even related to anything that has been discussed- and there we go again. S/he/it refuses to come out from the wall, saying it's none of our business who s/he/it is. Keep in mind that we can't leave the living room if we have any hope of cultivating a friendship with those we respect. We could try to ignore them/it perhaps, but it's difficult because anonymous and invisible or not, s/he/it is very much present and LOUD. |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: GUEST,The Hated Guest Date: 13 Feb 03 - 07:04 PM Well there it is, then. And I'm sure you just made lots of folks really happy by including me in their 'home'. LOL |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: GUEST Date: 13 Feb 03 - 06:59 PM Hated Guest, I'm happy you like your new home here at Mudcat. But you are a very recent arrival, and don't know or fully understand this long standing problem in this forum. As to your paranoia about Max "having our numbers" well, for any ISP to mess with a poster at the request of someone like Max, Max would have to prove some kind of very serious history of wrongdoing. Pissing people off with your writing style and voicing strong opinions doesn't exactly qualify as serious wrongdoing. I, and a number of other posters who use this forum with a fair amount of frequency, have been posting for years without using a handle. It doesn't bother us or most members one whit. It just bothers a small, obnoxiously vocal minority of the members, as Lepus Rex has pointed out. I appreciate your advice, but I'm quite content with my identity here being the default setting. |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: GUEST,The Hated Guest Date: 13 Feb 03 - 06:47 PM Guest...I've found these folks no more insecure than any others, and a lot more tolerant. You or I could be blocked at any moment, yet we're not. They have our numbers. I've started using a handle out of courtesy, because some folks just honestly don't want to hear what I have to say. I don't 'register' because I don't want the nuisance of PM's. I'm constantly threatened on other forums for presenting what I view as 'the truth', and it's REAL distracting to have to deal with that, but fortunately I don't have to register here. Sometimes I forget to fill out the 'From' line, but mostly I remember now. I'm interested in what you have to say, but since so many anonymous 'guests' log on, how would I know your posts from anothers? You might want to consider a handle. If you think I haven't learned the hard way, just look at MY handle. Best wishes |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: GUEST Date: 13 Feb 03 - 06:26 PM Bobert and Lepus Rex, you make wholly reasonable points, both of you. You present logical, rational, well thought out reasons for there to be tolerance of the diversity of those who use this forum, regardless of the member/guest status of the poster. Unfortunately, there is a hard core group of Mudcat members who just plain can't tolerate anonymity being used in their presence. There is nothing rational about it, because any time that kind of pathological hatred of any one sort of person or group of people takes over your heart and mind, the hate won't allow a person to see through the label, and see the person for who they are. There are some tremendously fearful and insecure people who are members of this forum. They do a lot of fearmongering, as this thread has shown. I've said this many times before here, but it does bear repeating. When those in leadership or positions of authority model the kind of behavior exhibited by Joe Offer in his manipulating the threads just because he can get away with it, that sets the tone for the forum. Which is why so many members (and you only need to look at the names of members in this thread, and the antidote thread, to know who the usual suspects are) feel emboldened to CONSTANTLY scream "troll" the way that Peter cried wolf. Now, there really is only one antidote to this dynamic. Max has said he won't make any changes in terms of the infrastructure regarding guest/member log ins. That means, the only antidote to the dynamic is peer pressure. If enough members get fed up with the Mudcat crew that is perpetually whining about guest identities every time a guest mutters an opinion they disagree with, it would help. If enough members called other members on the bullshit, not in PMs where the person is never publicly shamed into behaving decently, then peer pressure could have a positive influence. It is so easy to see who the worst offenders in Mudcat are about this guest identity thing, and who finds it ridiculous. There are a whole lot of members whose names you will NEVER see in threads like this, or the "Decency of the 'Cat" thread, and who rarely, if ever, have mentioned anything about a guest's identity. Wouldn't it be nice if the few who don't want to play fair, could be influenced by the others to come on board? |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: Bobert Date: 13 Feb 03 - 10:44 AM Well, danged, Catfolk. This ol' hillbilly things there might be a tad too much stirring going on here. Hey, I've been 'round here fir about 15 months now and have been known to rant and take some extreme positions and unless I missed one, I've only have one post removed. And, danged if it didn't need to be removed. It was personal and that ain't my style. I like sticking with ideas. So thanks, Joe, for stepping in that night. I owe you one for that. However, I find myself very much in agreement with JennyO and Lepus Rex in that since most of us post under handles and not real names that we are all kindof *guests*. I would also add that, again unless I'm not aware of the censored posts, that by in large the discussions are as civil as we can expect for these most difficult times. Yes, "guests" do require us to pay a little more attention in trying to figure out who is saying what, but it's not an impossible task. I have come to have a lot of respect for, GUEST, Hated Guest, and recognize that person's posts pretty much immediately. My "Teribus/GUEST" thread was not a serious at all but was meant to be funny. My purpose was not to draw GUEST out although it may have had some impact. I'll end this with the position I have held all along. GUEST's are just people, just like the rest of us. Some have good points, some don't. Just like the rest of us. With that said, I welcome GUEST's and think it is important in these times when the 1st Ammendment is taking a beating, for Mudcat to make no changes in policy. With that said, however, we all understand the concept of not yelling "Fire" in a crowded movie theater and, Joe, you're just going to have to make those calls. But I think the guiding philosophy shoud be "benefit of the doubt". Like the Osama thread that I started: You gave me the "benefit of the doubt" and didn't pull the thread just because "you didn't understand" it. Well, ol Bobert has rambled far too long here. Peace And long live the 1st Ammendment! Bobert |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: Lepus Rex Date: 13 Feb 03 - 09:41 AM The likes of me? Hehe, screw yo, Nigel. And anyone can still sign up for a membership and continure to "troll" or whatever from there. Particularly clever trolls could probably even avoid Joe's detection. Who cares? What difference does it make to you people who the GUESTs are, how many of them their are, etc? Why does this bother you people so? Can I say "you people" one more time? Thanks. Just out of curiosity, Spaw, how do you know which GUEST is which? ---"Lepus Rex" |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: GUEST Date: 13 Feb 03 - 07:31 AM Like I said, this particular crew of Mudcat members loves a public stoning of someone in the forum better than any ole discussion of music or BS anyday. Today it is me, but tomorrow it will Bobert, or someone else arbitrarily chosen by the guard dogs and Mudcat's Homeland Security Department. You are welcome Rustic. I think Vonnegut is probably one of the most important living American writers, and most often neglected as well. "Slaughterhouse Five" is a masterpiece of American literature. But please, since you have membership privleges that allows you start a thread without it being censored, start another thread on the Vonnegut interview. I'd love to be able to contribute to a thread discussion of it. |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: catspaw49 Date: 13 Feb 03 - 06:45 AM Nigel, the 6:18 Guest who applied the handle of THG has only posted twice on the thread. Your other "hosting Guest" is the main one here and has made all of the other anon postings. She has posted under a variety of names at times, such as Peace Matriot/Johnny/Billy/Minnesota, but rarely uses any name. And you're right, she often talks to herself to keep the troll going until someone finally responds. She also will try multiple postings with different views just to get the thing going as well. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: Nigel Parsons Date: 13 Feb 03 - 05:32 AM Although consistent with his postings so far, I wonder whether the postings above @ 10.43 & 10.47 are from the same Guest who appears to be hosting this thread. I note that at 6.18 he claimed "I've self-applied a handle for future reference, by the way." That was obviously a 'long-term' solution! One of the major problems with Guest postings is that you never know whether 'Guest' is the same as 'Guest'. Are two people maintaining a dialogue, or is one person constantly refreshing his own meanderings and rantings? This is not a problem with the likes of "Lepus Rex", we know that the system is set so that only one person can post under that exact name, and that is the difference. Nigel |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: Rustic Rebel Date: 12 Feb 03 - 11:31 PM The Kurt Vonnegut interview was very good. I liked his views.He is a man of strong opinion with a dash of humor.I think that it had merit for a thread with probable good discussion. So thanks HG. If you wouldn't have posted that, I would never have had the chance to read it, more than likely. Peace. Rustic |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: Bill D Date: 12 Feb 03 - 11:09 PM now, if we just had an "anti-dolt" thread. I sure do wonder sometimes how the 'guests' who post mostly politics and complaints found the Mudcat in the first place...and why they stay. I suppose it is like anarchist leaflet-posters of another age...any place with a little light and a bare spot is a target for their latest diatribe. (only thing is...THEY had to actually go outside and tack the things up, and were sometimes seen & identified.....it's quite a new thing to sit in an apartment somewhere and litter 'almost' anonymously.) |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: GUEST Date: 12 Feb 03 - 10:47 PM I thought I'd missed it at first, but no, the predictable "antidote" thread to this one criticizing the new and improved Mudcat censorship of guests program has risen, titled "The Decency of the 'Cat". It is SO predictable. A member defends me, and the inevitable occurs...some member troll starts a "It's a Wonderful Mudcat Life" thread as the antidote. |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: GUEST Date: 12 Feb 03 - 10:43 PM Valiant try Lepus Rex, valiant try. But this crowd loves a public stoning better than anything. Cheap entertainment, about the equivalent of going to the mall or watching wrestling on tv. |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: Lepus Rex Date: 12 Feb 03 - 09:17 PM Gee, BWL, "you're an asshole" PMs are ALL I seem to get... What the Hell? :) Still, if the GUEST was truly just here to cause trouble, "you're an asshole" PMs would probably just encourage him/her, don't you think? ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 12 Feb 03 - 09:12 PM To respond to Lepus Rex's question: What's the difference if they're posting anon., or just registering with a meaningless nickname to post the exact same material? One difference is that, as a member, regardless of whether you use your own name or a doofus nickname, you can send and be sent private messages. If you show your ass too bad someone (or probably a lot of someones) is going to send you a PM that will scorch your eyeballs. Of course, you don't have to read it, but curiosity will probably win out and you'll read it anyway. Personally, I don't want anyone PMing me telling me what an ass-hole I am, so I try to avoid being one. And about Cluin's link to the article about the word "gun" being deleted from spelling tests: Dogs bite people so I don't think kids should learn how to spell "dog". Bruce |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: GUEST,The Hated Guest Date: 12 Feb 03 - 09:03 PM Yeah, Don...I've read your posts. This is an incredible time, isn't it? You wouldn't believe this possible in America. Maybe you read this...I posted it elsewhere. An argument was put forth the other day that the Constitution, viewed as a contract, could be declared null and void once one of the parties defaulted. That's why the Bushes are trying to bankrupt America. Once the govt has no money and has to default, a new contract...Constitution...can be drawn up. One without all those annoying liberties and rights. And if that was meant for me, Amos...about targeting Joe...I'm not. I was just trying to make a simple point about... nevermind. No hostility was intended. |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: Rick Fielding Date: 12 Feb 03 - 08:58 PM "Study him as a model." Jeezus I sure HOPE that doesn't catch on! I mean he's decent looking and all, but............! Vincent Van Google |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: Lepus Rex Date: 12 Feb 03 - 08:56 PM No, Joe, it isn't too much to ask that anon. GUESTs take a name. Honestly, I wish they would, too. But I hope you don't restrict their posting privileges should they decline to, just because of the over-reactions of a hysterical few. I really don't see a big anon. GUEST "problem" here. And I still wish you guys would make our IPs visible in our posts. :) ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: Amos Date: 12 Feb 03 - 08:52 PM TH, You're confusing things so hard in your own mind you think the world really is that way--bassackwards and upsy-down-turvy. Joe Offer is a decent and helpful person. His record speaks to it, and anyone who has met him knows it. He thinks hard before acting and seeks the best balance possible for the community. Study him as a model. Because electing him as a target is just, I dunno, woeful. A |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: Joe Offer Date: 12 Feb 03 - 08:38 PM Here's what Lepus says: But what's the difference if they're posting anon., or just registering with a meaningless nickname to post the exact same material? There is no real difference. They're still anonymous. Apparently, it makes some members uneasy to talk to an anon. GUEST, but isn't that sort of their problem? Discriminating against GUESTs because a few unhinged members complain is bullshit. Read todays threads, and you'll see more praise than criticism for our "faceless" GUESTs. Well, Lepus, whether they're registered or not, we at Mudcat Central generally know the identity of the people who post here. If they use a consistent nickname, we know it's consistent. If they are anonymous or use a variety of nicknames, we generally know that, too. If they really want to remain anonymous, they don't have to worry about their comments being deleted unless those comments are obnoxious or disruptive. So, if our anonymous guests are worried about our screening, all they have to do is choose an identity and stick with it. Is that too much to ask? The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of our problems are caused by a very few people who insist on anonymity. If they squawk about having their posts scrutinized more closely, I have little sympathy for them. By the way. I'd like to dispel an assumption some people have. Some people think our troublemakers are registered Mudcatters who get rid of their cookies every once in a while so they can cause trouble anonymously. That happens, but only very rarely. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: Neighmond Date: 12 Feb 03 - 08:13 PM Man...hang some....uh....PEOPLE.....with a new rope and they STILL snipe and grouse! I am often a big pain in the ass, too, but I try to keep my foolishness to the threads that are already there. I also sign them, so if someone has an issue they can (and do) respond. I had a point to all this but I have forgotten what it was. Perhaps some of you can see what it is-I better hang up before I REALLY swallow my foot. Chaz |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: NicoleC Date: 12 Feb 03 - 07:58 PM Once again, thanks Joe for doing a great job. Free speech doesn't mean somebody else has to pay for your priviledge to do so, not on a web site anymore than a newspaper is required to print articles by anyone who happens to write one. And make no mistake about it, running a web site 'taint free. I'd hate to see Guests forbidden to post at all. Like most, I started out as a guest with a strange music question and was delighted that I got a speedy answer. You've been stuck with me ever since, even if I can't answer all those fancy lyric questions :) |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: Don Firth Date: 12 Feb 03 - 07:35 PM Read it awhile back and been up to speed for a long time now. Read some of my former posts. What I just posted about the distinction between the law and the Constitution is basic. Especially the fact that the Constitution permits the govenment to do only that which it sets forth. This is the part that Bush and his minions are running through the shredder, so they can do whatever they damned well please, and I've been saying that here since shortly after 9/11. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: GUEST,THG Date: 12 Feb 03 - 07:20 PM Look at the new PATRIOT Act, Don. What you and I are engaging in right now is terrorism. And this forum makes it possible. We can all present our cases to the Gestapo for a lesson in the 'new' civics, I guess. Get up to speed. |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: Don Firth Date: 12 Feb 03 - 07:18 PM In short, First Amendment rights do not apply here. Suck it up. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: Don Firth Date: 12 Feb 03 - 07:15 PM GUEST,THG, here's a little civics lesson that you apparently missed in high school: A law applies to all citizens, favoring no one person over another, and permits a citizen to do whatever he or she wishes, provided it is not specifically forbidden by that law. The Constitution applies only to the government and government-supported institutions, and forbids the government and said government-supported institutions to do anything except that which is specifically permitted by the Constitution. Private citizens (and Max and Joe and Jeff are private citizens) are not bound by the Constitution. Max and Joe and Jeff are neither obliged nor obligated to provide a platform for anyone and everyone who comes along to say anything and everything he or she wishes. If they want to censor every third word in a posting, or an entire posting, or an entire thread, it is their legal and Constitutional right to do so. If they received government funding to support Mudcat, then this would not be true. But since they don't, it is. This is something that a lot of folks obviously slept through in class. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: Gareth Date: 12 Feb 03 - 07:15 PM Joe - for what its worth, and I don't claim to be entirely in sympathy with the Mudcat consensus on a number of issues, you have my complete support. Gareth |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: Cluin Date: 12 Feb 03 - 07:09 PM Well, maybe I'll just do my bit and start a whole bunch of different threads here then. That'll save the world, yeah. |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: GUEST,The Hated Guest Date: 12 Feb 03 - 07:06 PM Even if you don't know what I'm talking about, I imagine he does. When you engage in ANY editorial activity, you open yourself up to future criticism. And the people demanding answers in the future won't be easy to placate. And speaking of whining...take your article. What are you going to do about it? You need to get the word 'gun' re-inserted, or next year the world 'mother' will be removed. Then 'freedom', etc. |
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Subject: RE: Miscellaneous BS From: Cluin Date: 12 Feb 03 - 06:52 PM Quit whining. I don't see what Joe did as censorship in the slightest. He just consolidated posts from several threads into one thread, which he does for music-related posts all the time. That's what he does around here and he deserves a pat on the back for it. Check into a few of those threads, if you give a shit about the music-related stuff around here at all, and you'll see many examples of it. Good thing too. Good threads get buried fast enough without several "miscellaneous" threads existing. This miscellaneous thread is a good one for posting stuff like: Did you know that "The Upper Canada District School Board has removed the word gun from all spelling tests in its schools as a result of a complaint by parents of a Grade 1 student." Isn't that just plain stupid? See: An articleon it. |