BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 01:16 PM

LOL...

...another "martyr with his (her) papers in order..."... Bruce Springstein

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 11:27 AM

The Swarm in action. Just warms the cockles of the heart.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 11:20 AM

No, not a coward... Okay, maybe a coward but that's something I haven't seen...

The hypocrisy??? Yeah...

Liar??? I don't call fellow Mudders "liars" even when they are... Bush??? Now there is a liar... If he joins Mudcat then I'll stop callin' him a liar, as well...

McCain/McWar??? A little of both liar and ignorant...

B~

p.s. The baove post should have read I "don't" mean to sit in judgement... etc...

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Amos
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 10:40 AM

OK. You're a liar, too.


A

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 10:30 AM

And a hypocrite. I am a coward and a hypocrite. Now if someone would just weigh and call me a liar, we'd have it covered, and could get back on topic.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 10:17 AM

Hey, I don't care if you have a handle or not, GG... I don't think that makes you a coward or not a coward...

But you are quite hypocritical...

You don't stay on toic yet you have promoted yourself to hall monitor/nurse ballbuster in telling others to stay on topic while you willy nilly say whatever you want, where ever you want...

That is hypocrisy...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 10:10 AM

Thanks for noticing my cowardice Tom. Yes, that is the very reason why I won't tell you my name. I am a coward.

And this point has relevance to the McCain candidacy how, exactly?

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: goatfell
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 10:07 AM

Guest guest i mean that's what cowards do they dont give their proper name.

Tom

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: goatfell
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 10:06 AM

why don't give us your name/nickname or are you a coward

Tom

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 10:04 AM

You could stick to the thread topic, bobert, like most people do.

If you are so bloody fascinated by me, start a thread devoted just to l'il ole me, and invite all your boyos (and Ebbie, of course) in to bash away at me.

Meantime, the rest of us can finally have a discussion of the thread topics, rather than be bored to tears by you boys discussing me, ad nauseum...

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 09:56 AM

Well, gol danged...

Are there any threads left her in Mudville where GG hasn't taken advantage of to voice his/her hate/displeasure of Obama???

Maybe I need to start one entitled, "My Favorite Ockra Recipe" and see if GG can turn it into yet another opportuntiy to vent on Obama...

..lol...

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: goatfell
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 08:50 AM

both

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 08:42 AM

And forgive us our sins....

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: kendall
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 08:11 AM

Guest Guest, it is impossible to throw mud without getting some on yourself.Ebbie, malicious? surely you jest.

Obama offers hope and a new direction. That is scaring the hell out of the white power structure, and they will do ANYTHING they have to to wipe him out.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 01:37 AM

Indeed, a majority of verbal attacks launched by people probably reflect more upon the source than they do upon the target...meaning they are projections of some inner pyschological problem the source is carrying, but not acknowledging.

That's why most advanced spiritual and psychological systems involve self-analysis and a healthy measure of self-criticism, as opposed to constantly criticizing and blaming others.

I could quote specific passages out of the New Testament or the Buddhist teachings, or Vedanta, or Taoism along that line...but I don't think I'll bother to. ;-) Look 'em up yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 30 Mar 08 - 12:09 AM

Yes, after all, gossiping with the boss about your co-workers' sexually transmitted diseases--weeeeeelll now, that is quite the projection innit?

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Amos
Date: 29 Mar 08 - 11:43 PM

I think Ebbie's point is quite clear; projection reflects more on the source than on the target.


A

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Mar 08 - 11:19 PM

I have this little tiny desperate hope that Obama isn't disingenous and dishonest like virtually all the other politicians who run for president or for other high positions in the government...

But it's just a tiny hope I have. I figure it's a slim chance. Better than no chance at all.

I have no hope whatsoever that McCain and Clinton are not disingenous and dishonest.

Furthermore, I know one thing. EVERY politician who runs for president is FORCED to be disingenuous and dishonest to a great extent while they are campaigning, and probably after they are elected. They are forced to pose for the public and the media. They are forced to say the things that are considered acceptable, and avoid saying what no one wants to hear.

That's because if they were totally honest and told the truth about everything there would be a public meltdown, a collective nervous breakdown, the great danger of a violent revolution, and the people really in charge behind the scenes in the $ySStem would kill such a politician who had the guts and honesty to do that. And they'd do it with very little hesitation or delay. And it would look like some lone maniac did it.

So, of COURSE Obama is being disingenuous to some extent. He can't NOT be disingenuous when he's running for high political office in the USA.

It is required of all Democratic and Republican candidates to be systematically disingenous and dishonest...or pay the price: political and professional suicide.

If we were living in genuinely free societies, that would not be the case...but we are not. We have all been socially conditioned from the time we were toddlers to be about 99% compliant in consenting to our own mental slavery...and that of those around us.

We are simply considered to be "consumers". As long as we keep spending enough money and buying enough stuff, we are considered of some value to the $ySStem. At such time as we have no further ability to spend money and buy stuff...or no inclination to...we are considered worthless and wholly expendable.

Nothing can change that except a revolution. There are many possible forms of revolution. They don't all involve guns and violence, but they do all involve a majority of the people in a society saying, "No, I will not do that anymore, and you can't make me."

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 29 Mar 08 - 08:08 PM

And your point Ebbie? Besides your routine maliciousness, that is?

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 Mar 08 - 07:55 PM

He is disingenuous and dishonest, just like Clinton, just like McCain.

They are all liars and charlatans, whoring around for votes. "GG

An employer of mine once told me that another employee of his told him that eveybody has herpes.

My boss and I agreed that all that proved was that the employee had herpes.

:)

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Amos
Date: 29 Mar 08 - 07:41 PM

Oh dear, I was hoping I could sway your opinion. Thanks for setting me straight; I'll sign up for your pit of despond and quit trying. There ya go. Feel better?


A

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 29 Mar 08 - 07:10 PM

Amos, you can post a million links to people/places/things that support Obama. It will not change my mind about the man one iota.

He is disingenuous and dishonest, just like Clinton, just like McCain.

They are all liars and charlatans, whoring around for votes.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Amos
Date: 29 Mar 08 - 07:05 PM

His suit sure ain't empty. He's got a lot more on the ball, for example, than you do.


Obviosuly you haven't seen "Gay for Obama."


A

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 29 Mar 08 - 07:01 PM

Obama always looks comfortable in his empty suit, Amos. One more Oprah installment doesn't change that.

Oh excuuuuuuse me. That was The View, not Oprah.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Amos
Date: 29 Mar 08 - 06:56 PM

According to those who have actually worked with him, Obama is completely himself, genuinely present and as honest as he seems to be, without pretense.

Gigi's statement about him is semantically nul and without any specific refernt I can see, and deserves to be stricken from the record as hateful, unless she has some smidgen of an actuality to which she can point.

The discussion with Walters et alia (which Gigi disdains to watch) shows him being completely comfortably himself, as far as I can see. How far out in left field is Michingan thse days, anyway?


A

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Barry Finn
Date: 29 Mar 08 - 06:29 PM

Bobert, if you're looking for your old file, there was a thread awhile back that has links to were you send your request. I sent in mine, to probably 12 different security departments. I would never had believe how many & who they were up until then. You've got the FBI (apply to the different states that youmight think had files on you plus to HQ, the CIA, NSA, dept of defense & security & state then about 5 or 6 others that I just can't remember the names t. I wasn't on any of their lists dating back to the 60's but I don't know nor do I trust them to tell the truth & it's bnot that important to me to file for a deeper investigation which would most likely raise a red flag & then they'd start a new file on me.

As far as McCain, he's always voted in the past for war or some sort of military solution, he doesn't see 100 yrs in Iraq, if need be, a problem when the rest of the world see the next yr there as a problem, he's what you see & he's what you'll get if he gets in. He won't be a lacky for necocons, but whe will be their poster child.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Mar 08 - 06:02 PM

You think Obama isn't authentically himself? Hmm. Really? Perhaps you think that because you already decided to...if you know what I mean. But who am I to say?

I agree that McCain and Hillary come across as authentically what they are...so to speak...and it does get them some people's votes. It is exactly what wouldn't get them my vote. ;-) It all depends on whether you like what they are or not.

But, hey...think of all the time and energy I could save by focusing on MY life in some useful way instead of on John McCain, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama...! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 29 Mar 08 - 05:37 PM

I have never thought he is ignorant, just a predictable product of his military background and upbringing (his daddy's daddy, his time as a Vietnam POW, The Surge (soon to be a Hollywood Musical).

That actually makes him quite authentically himself to voters, in the same way Clinton, despite her "high negatives" on personality polling, is also authentically herself: the woman who sat on the lap of the man seated on the throne of power, is authentically herself.

The only candidate of the three who isn't authentically themself is Obama.

One can't connect who is to his policy stands. That will work against him in the general election, especially when the other half of the voters wake up and see the Wright videos, which haven't hurt him among Dems.

It will definitely hurt Obama among general election voters, just as soon as they start paying attention to the race, sometime in October of this year.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Mar 08 - 05:24 PM

He may not be all that ignorant, Dianavan, when it comes to knowing how to get votes from middle America. He's not trying to solve world hunger or end war or anything idealistic like that...he's trying to win an election and maintain a ruling elite.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 Mar 08 - 05:08 PM

It always amazes me that people will talk about problems like the rice shortage and world hunger without mentioning doing something about human population growth as part of the solution.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 29 Mar 08 - 03:08 PM

I've decided that McCain is ignorant. He can only see military solutions to world problems. What he (and others) are overlooking is that the biggest threat facing economic stability in our world today is the rice shortage. If the developing nations cannot get enough rice to feed their populations, there will be widespread civil unreast. Its doubtful if McCain's bullets will be able to feed the hungry.

This is an issue that should be addressed by the candidates but al Qaeda, insurgents and Iran (Muslims in general) are easy to target. World hunger is the real enemy.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Mar 08 - 07:54 PM

Hey, I knew it... I have a photograph of the two FBI agents who were assigned to the anti-war folks in Richmond... They made no bones about who they were and considered me to be a somewaht cooperative radical 'cause I didn't mind talkin' with them about what the plans were for various demonstrations... They knew where I lived and weren't shy about knockin' on my door if they had concerns...

Looking back, it's kinda funny... These guys were so conspicious and everyone knew they were our "two stooges" but they were purdy much harmless... I mean, so harmless that we took a picture of them at one ralley and did a little 60's "photoshop" and printed a picture of them in out underground paper sittin' on a big hog... I still have a copy of that somewhere...

Buit nevermind my FBI file...

What's McCain doin' criticizing Obama for saying somethin' that Bush is doing and McCain basicly supports???

Can anyone answer me that one???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 09:40 PM

Yeah, I just looked her up on Wikipedia. It talks about it there. I never would trust a man who would pick up a beagle by its ears.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 09:27 PM

Yeah, no doubt. She didn't know it was happening at the time...she only knew she couldn't get any radio airplay in North America any longer, despite the many enthusiastic fans who were coming to her live shows. She basically had to shift her marketing efforts to Europe and the Far East in order to keep her career viable...she was not being blacklisted there...only in the USA...and in Canada (!). Apparently the long arm of the US government was able to reach the Canadian broadcasters although they had no legal right to do so.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 09:16 PM

You've got to wonder how many people that's happened to. I must have happened to some who never even knew.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 02:34 PM

Talk to Buffy Sainte-Marie about that. It took her about 10 years to get them to surrender her file, but they finally did. It turned out to have nothing in it whatsoever except a mountain of innuendo.

(she was effectively blacklisted off all North American radio stations for about 10 years at the potential height of her career. That's how you kill a musician's record sales.   Thank Lyndon Johnson's administration for that. As LBJ reputedly said, "Methinks the lady doth protest too much...")

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 02:25 PM

Yeah, LH... I sleep with one eye open and the 12 guage in the corner...

BTW, does anyone know how to get one's FBI files from the 60's??? I'd sho nuff like to have mine for nastalgic reasons... Plus, I ain't got too many pics of me from the 60's and wouldn't mind having a few more from the days when I had lots of hair and it was dark...

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 01:46 PM

Bobert - Persistent or just plain stubborn as a mule????

;-)

They are watchin' you, Bobert. Yer on the list of dangerous subversives and potential "terrist" insurgents now, by golly! Watch fer the black helicopters, son.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Mar 08 - 01:32 PM

Well, well, well...

According to today's Washington Post the US military has been making strikes inside Pakistan....

Hmmmmmm???

Didn't McWar blast Obama for saying, if elected, he would do just that if a situation arose???

McWar is sounding more and more like he is clueless about what is going on in the real world...

Yeah, can't wait for him to again crticise Obama on this issue 'cause McWar is gonna get abutt whup on this one next time around...

I'd love to write Obama's counterpunch lines...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Ron Davies
Date: 22 Mar 08 - 12:48 AM

"...prepare the public for military action against Iran".   Not likely. Far more likely reason is to marshall all the paranoid "national security" voters behind him for the fall.   After all, he still doesn't even have conservatives enthusiastically behind him.

Or, as I said earlier, just clumsy speech. He probably tends to lump all "evil-doers" together. (Where have we seen this before?)

And the other guy didn't have the excuse of being 72 with several years as a POW.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Mar 08 - 08:04 PM

"If you can't outgun them, confuse the hell out of 'em!" ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Mar 08 - 06:29 PM

Yer hurtin' my head, LH...

B???

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 21 Mar 08 - 05:54 PM

Now there's a slogan for Hillary--
"If a man answers, hang up!"

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Goose Gander
Date: 21 Mar 08 - 12:39 PM

Here's a little bit about McCain's alleged "slips of the tongue" which more or less answers the question posed by this thread.

Why? Only reason I can see is to prepare the public for military action against Iran. I expect more 'slips of the tongue' in coming months.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Mar 08 - 11:48 AM

Bobert - Herbacious Tort Feaser or Malapropismist Extraordinaire?

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Mar 08 - 12:46 AM

McBush, McLiar, McAirbus

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Ron Davies
Date: 20 Mar 08 - 11:31 PM

McCain is not capable of much subtlety. He'd probably be happy with Rig's bumper-sticker approach to politics. He probably really does get confused between Iran and al-Qaeda.

And he is seeking justification for his indefensible position.

But I still don't see--as I've said for months-- why either Obama or Hillary don't just ask him exactly how al-Qaeda is going to take over Iraq--the threat he constantly holds over us--when al-Qaeda is roundly loathed by Iraqi Sunnis, Kurds---and now Sunnis also.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: GUEST,Winona
Date: 20 Mar 08 - 11:12 PM

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Mar 08 - 01:43 PM

No, I would not like McCain to answer the phone at 3 AM. Hell, no.

What I would like is for Winona Ryder to answer the phone at 3 AM.

Who is calling? and why?

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Mar 08 - 09:39 PM

Ah, but they can't murder all the Shi'ites. And they never will.

I think McCain is still trying to win the Vietnam War, only he doesn't consciously realize it.

Hitler was still trying to win the First World War.

It's a very dangerous state of mind for a national leader to be in.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain --- Liar or Ignorant???
From: GUEST,Ravenheart
Date: 20 Mar 08 - 09:35 PM

Al-Qa'ida and their Wahhabi friends would murder all the Shi'i Muslims of the world (e.g., Iranians) if they could.

I thought McCain was dangerously belligerent, but I didn't realize he was so ignorant to boot. I guess they're all just Gooks to him.