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Camsco vs: CDNow
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Subject: RE: Camsco vs: CDNow From: bbelle Date: 20 Sep 00 - 07:43 AM Wolfgang ... I've read enough hate in the last few months to last me a lifetime, so I don't have the desire to read whatever was written. A reference to the fact that there were deletions would have been nice, though ... it was like everyone else knew something I didn't! Then again "curiosity killed the cat." |
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Subject: RE: Camsco vs: CDNow From: catspaw49 Date: 20 Sep 00 - 07:42 AM You are correct Wolfgang, and though we may all abhor censorship, the stuff couldn't even be called vile without giving vile a new meaning. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Camsco vs: CDNow From: Wolfgang Date: 20 Sep 00 - 06:49 AM Jenny, a forum search lists about five more posts, three from a GUEST, than you can read here. These post must have been deleted. From what I know, how reluctant the Mudcat elves are to delete posts, I fully trust in them that I wouldn't have liked to read these posts anyway. But I agree that seeing references to posts that do not exist any more makes you feel you cannot read correctly (I also read twice). Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: Camsco vs: CDNow From: bbelle Date: 20 Sep 00 - 01:06 AM Has anyone noticed that both Dick and Sandy live in 30 room mansions, teeming with servants and the like? Get real ... so you pay a couple dollars or a few cents more. It's called "L-O-Y-A-L-T-Y" for anyone who can't spell. These two men are a few years older than I (thank g-d someone is!) and have been instrumental in keeping that music alive, than we so love. I cannot stand anyone who quibbles over a buck. And I would rather give that extra buck to a friend than to a megacorp, anyday. Chef, I noticed your first day of posting was September 18. Jumped right in there didn't you. Gonna tell all us nabobs the errors of our ways. We are gettin' took by the likes of Dick Greenhaus and Sandy Paton. Can you imagine! Did I miss something above? I kept seeing these references to racist and kept reading up and down the threads. Then I thought that somehow the racist posts had creeped into this one. I feel a little like Ingrid Bergman in "Gaslight."
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Subject: RE: Camsco vs: CDNow From: thosp Date: 19 Sep 00 - 11:15 PM first - i ehco Jeri re the bussiness aspect - when you have a high volume operation you can afford to take a smaller (per unit) profit margine --- also as stated above Camsco & Folk Legasy carry a selection you just can't get at the giant guys - because of limited appeal --- next i have called Dick G at Camsco on various occasions to get cd's for me that nobody (big or little)was carrying and Dick was able to get for me --i.e.Lil Rev --- and ic currently tracking down that Pigmeat collection that was discussed on another thread ---- regards the difference in shipping 4.20 - 2.99=1.21 x 12=14.52 = not quite 1 cd a year when you add in whoevers shipping --- you don't know Dicks' overhead (i.e. dept from recent purchase of Camsco ,rent,advertising etc.) plans to expand (?) and again whatever ----- so all things considered - i suggest you give it more thought -- i will very happily pay an extra dollar (or more) because if Dick and Sandy dissappear -just try and call Amazon or CDNow to get some of the music that many or most Mudcatters are interested in -- it won't happen ---- and i don't mean anything against the big guys -- they are a different opparation --- peace (Y)thosp |
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Subject: RE: Camsco vs: CDNow From: John Hindsill Date: 19 Sep 00 - 11:11 PM Sorry that I got to this thread so late. I think this is the wrong forum for Chef to complain about Camsco shipping policy, or pricing for that matter. If he is unhappy with them, his first complaint should be to them rather than trashing them with innuendo of hidden motive.
Every business charges for product and service based on their various costs-acquisition of product, inventorying same, labor and shipping-plus something for profit.
Not all companies buy at the same price, owing to volume purchasing or lack thereof; not all have the same labor costs, more or fewer employees (or none); rent or no rent. There are many factors.
If the service is generally good, perhaps it is worth an extra buck or two. If that extra supports one of the few entities willing to handle esoteric products, that, too, may be worth it.
Were I the object of Chef's comparison, I would be unhappy. Were I the subject of his innuendo, I would be mightily pissed-off. John Hindsill PS-I most always shop independant music stores and book stores when I can. And I never trust e-commerce with my credit card #s. |
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Subject: RE: Camsco vs: CDNow From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 19 Sep 00 - 04:08 PM My only quarrel with Camsco is delay. I ordered a couple CDs about three or four weeks ago, received confirmation emails, but have seen no sign of the merchandise. Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: Camsco vs: CDNow From: Jeri Date: 19 Sep 00 - 03:50 PM Anybody who doesn't know this, should. The more a business sells, the lower they can afford the prices to be. Higher quantity = lower prices. I prefer to deal with local owner-operated businesses than Wallmart, even if I'm going to pay an bit more. |
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Subject: RE: Camsco vs: CDNow From: Joe Offer Date: 19 Sep 00 - 02:27 PM I've placed several orders with CDNOW, and several with Folk-Legacy and with CAMSCO. If I average out the prices and include shipping, the prices come out pretty-much the same. One big difference - CDNOW has to charge me 7.75 percent California sales tax, and CAMSCO and Folk-Legacy do not. Besides, it's more fun to deal with CAMSCO and Folk-Legacy, and they know the music. If you do order from CDNOW, Amazon, or Barnes & Noble, think about going through our "Support the Mudcat" page so Mudcat will get a percentage. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Camsco vs: CDNow From: Max Date: 19 Sep 00 - 02:00 PM Shipping charges for Camsco are leftover from when Wally McNow ran Camsco. Wally is a good guy, as is dick, so I would certainly not question their integrity. I will check with dick to see if there needs to be a change in policy. This conversation got out of control, but the point remains we lost a sale and therefore support because of it. This just means we'll take a look at the situation. |
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Subject: RE: Camsco vs: CDNow From: catspaw49 Date: 19 Sep 00 - 01:42 PM A tiple awaits you at the Neil Young Center for the Terminally Screwed. Do we need to send the Insanevac chopper or will you be providing your own transport? Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Camsco vs: CDNow From: Naemanson Date: 19 Sep 00 - 01:38 PM Cannot communicate... Philosophically out of balance I hate bigots, ..generalized hatred is bigotry ....therefore I hate myself ......Sinking ........into ..........depression.... helpppp! |
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Subject: RE: Camsco vs: CDNow From: IvanB Date: 19 Sep 00 - 01:18 PM 'Guest,' although it's true that 'dwditty,' or 'catspaw49,' or 'kat/katlaughing,' etc. can maintain a certain anonymity with their handles, it's also true that because they have joined and selected a handle, I can expect that their posts will always be from the same real-world person. By virtue of that fact, each of us who is a member, as well as those guests who consistently append a unique 'moniker' to the guest appellation, take a certain responsibility for the statements made in our posts. Sure, the responsibility's only 'virtual,' but most of us here are quite sensitive to how we're received on the forum. With your inflammatory and gutless post as 'Guest,' you do nothing more than make us wary of all who would post as guests, whether they have serious and cogent posts or not. So why don't you and you pea-brain wander on over to a forum where your racist views would get you more strokes, or is it that you just get your jollies by pot-stirring? And mousethief, although I generally agree with your mother, I believe some things must be spoken out against. |
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Subject: RE: Camsco vs: CDNow From: catspaw49 Date: 19 Sep 00 - 01:06 PM Yeah Naes, I notice you already have gottn the "h" out of there. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Camsco vs: CDNow From: Naemanson Date: 19 Sep 00 - 12:59 PM You're right MT but I couldn't help myself. I generally stay out of these things but I hate bigots. (Uh, oh, does that make me a bigot too?) Philosophical balance loss! Unable to correlate! Initiate sutdown procedures!
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Subject: RE: Camsco vs: CDNow From: mousethief Date: 19 Sep 00 - 12:30 PM My momma always said if you ignore rude people they will have less cause to speak up.
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Subject: RE: Camsco vs: CDNow From: Naemanson Date: 19 Sep 00 - 12:28 PM Ladies and Gentlemen and kids of all ages! In the center ring, snarling and biting at the crowd is our own resident gutless bigot. Don't stare too long or he'll wither into insubstantiality. Don't get too close or he'll splatter you with his slime. Notice the green skin, the staring bloodshot eyes, the yellow streak down his back as he lashes out in all directions trying to raise some reaction from the crowd. (Please don't laugh at the beast, kid. See how he shrinks when you do that?) Yes, ladies and gentlemen, this is hate personified. Tremble in fear at it for there is nothing you can do about him. (Please stop laughing, kid, you're killing him. And no, that isn't a zipper. This is not a man in a rubber suit, kid. There ain't no man in there at all.) And now ladies and gentlemen in the ring on your left...
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Subject: RE: Camsco vs: CDNow From: Mark Clark Date: 19 Sep 00 - 12:23 PM GUEST: The content of your post is painful to the many good people who make this site what it is. It is also offensive to all decent and reverent people. I realize that your expression of hatred probably stems, in some way, from your own pain. In the hope that you would like to lay down your burden of pain, let me recommend Gary Zukov's book "The Seat Of The Soul". I think you'll find the time spent reading it well worth your while. Peace, - Mark |
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Subject: RE: Camsco vs: CDNow From: Mbo Date: 19 Sep 00 - 12:03 PM Hey, do you get your rare music or not? I rest my case. |
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Subject: RE: Camsco vs: CDNow From: dwditty Date: 19 Sep 00 - 12:02 PM Mbo, You haven't heard Santa Claus is Coming to Town until you've heard Joseph Spence do it. dw |
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Subject: RE: Camsco vs: CDNow From: Mbo Date: 19 Sep 00 - 11:56 AM You better not pout, you better now cry You better watch out, I'm telling you why Santa Claus is coming to town He sees you when you're sleeping He knows when you're awake He knows when you've been bad or good So be good for goodness sake! |
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Subject: RE: Camsco vs: CDNow From: dwditty Date: 19 Sep 00 - 11:55 AM Rich Gallagher |
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Subject: RE: Camsco vs: CDNow From: catspaw49 Date: 19 Sep 00 - 11:54 AM Tower doesn't support Mudcat either. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Camsco vs: CDNow From: GUEST,Ernie Taylor Date: 19 Sep 00 - 11:47 AM I find that I get very good service from Tower Records. They charge $2.95 for shipping. Ernie Taylor |
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Subject: RE: Camsco vs: CDNow From: katlaughing Date: 19 Sep 00 - 11:46 AM One major point that noone has posted is that buying from Camsco directly supports the DT and the Mudcat. Do 2-3 more CD's really make that much difference over the course of two years? Personally, I'd rather support a friend and spend a bit more than support a large, faceless entity. It is ridiculous and insulting to suggest that Dick Greenhaus is anything but totally honest in his business ops. |
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Subject: RE: Camsco vs: CDNow From: catspaw49 Date: 19 Sep 00 - 11:42 AM Well stroked Meebo. When I read it, I thought I had posted it. .......I'm worrying now about my influence on you. Cheap shot Guest....You're a gutless wonder. I think dw meant that although we might fight about the remark, we're equally offended by someone without the guts to stand behind it if that really is the belief. just another pissant flamer. Chef, I think you are looking for a rat under a streetlight. Its hard to perceive "tone" in the written word, but it seems as though you really believe Dick is out to shaft someone. BTW, I like Elderly too and I often reference them re: instruments and such......but Mudcat gets squat from an Elderly purchase. I also recently found out that BigChuck works in a store which I will post in the Links. I guess I'm just old fashioned, but I like giving my money to people I know when I can. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Camsco vs: CDNow From: dwditty Date: 19 Sep 00 - 11:41 AM Easy, Chef There is no way I condone Guest's views. I just can't bring myself to be so presumptuous as to think I can control some else's thoughts. What I meant to say is that Guest is a coward for not owning up to his views. Even if I think he is an asshole for expressing them, which I do, I would rather not be in a position to determine what *thoughts* of another are right or wrong, and I appreciate when others don't try to determine which of these my thoughts are. As Frank Zappa said, "Who Are the Brain Police." Your point is well taken, though. My last post was not worded to make the point I was trying to get across. dw |
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Subject: RE: Camsco vs: CDNow From: Midchuck Date: 19 Sep 00 - 11:30 AM Not only is that kind of racism stupid, but it misses the point that Dick is a BANJO PLAYER. It's much more fun to pick on him for that than for any real or imagined racial or ethnic category. Peter. |
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Subject: RE: Camsco vs: CDNow From: Chef Date: 19 Sep 00 - 11:29 AM dw, I cannot believe that you would excuse the guest's racist views if he'd had the guts to not post anonymously. When I posted the comparison between Camsco and CDNow, it was certainly not to give that bigot an opening. |
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Subject: RE: Camsco vs: CDNow From: Mbo Date: 19 Sep 00 - 11:21 AM Well folks, I suppose we can't hide it any longer. Yes, Camso's higher shipping prices are financing a planned military coup of The North Pole, where once Santa's Workshop is captured, his elves will be cheap labor, as they use Santa's Sleigh to hand deliver your CD's, and at a lower price, so you don't have to transfer that extra $2.70 from your secret Swiss bank account. |
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Subject: RE: Camsco vs: CDNow From: Chef Date: 19 Sep 00 - 11:02 AM MMario, If the shipping charges are higher for a smaller outfit, as you suggest, then why does Folk Legacy charge $3.00? That is only one penny more than CDNow; virtually the same. I cannot believe that Camsco's shipping charges are 40% higher than Folk Legacy's. No, it is obvious that Camsco hides its higher prices within its inflated shipping charges while Folk Legacy and CDNow reflect a seemingly more honest cost. |
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Subject: RE: Camsco vs: CDNow From: GUEST,Bigchuck at work Date: 19 Sep 00 - 11:00 AM The other point that should be made here is that CAMSCO is a small operation that is trying to maintain a stock of pretty obscure and non-commercial recordings that sell in low numbers without having high volume sellers to help support the operation. I suspect that _much_ of Camsco's catalog is not and would not be available from a mass-market operation such as CDnow. For me the bottom line is that it is worth paying a bit more to insure that the music I love continues to be available. Believe me, CDnow doesn't give a shit about "keeping the music alive"; Dick and Sandy do, and that is enough for me to continue giving them my patronage. Sandy in Vermont
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Subject: RE: Camsco vs: CDNow From: MMario Date: 19 Sep 00 - 10:59 AM believe me, they are higher. |
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Subject: RE: Camsco vs: CDNow From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler Date: 19 Sep 00 - 10:55 AM ...and the two specialists often have material the "big boys" won't bother with (small labels, short production runs)and you get a great personal service from Sandy and Dick. (AND US prices for CDs, even with postage and the duties that the vigilant UK customs sometimes add on [especially if they recognise a "CD-Now"-type package] are a lot cheaper than over here. RtS |
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Subject: RE: Camsco vs: CDNow From: M.Ted Date: 19 Sep 00 - 10:51 AM Why would they be higher? The opposite seems more likely to be true--the larger the volume, the more labor intensive--in a small place, the order can be often be taken filled, and shipped by the same person. In a large place, there are people to take the order, fill it, ship, as well as people whose job is to manage the flow of the orders. Anyway, you should check Elderly Instruments when you're shopping for folk and traditional stuff, their prices are generally very low for CD's and tapes, and they do nice little reviews on many of their offerings (shipping and handling costs are low, as well!) |
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Subject: RE: Camsco vs: CDNow From: dwditty Date: 19 Sep 00 - 10:45 AM Believe me, there are no untoward efforts going on at Camsco (or Folk Legacy, for that matter). Just plain folks trying to get great music out at fair prices. If you don't want to shop there, fine. I resent the implication that Camsco is "doing" something, though. dw |
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Subject: RE: Camsco vs: CDNow From: catspaw49 Date: 19 Sep 00 - 10:42 AM I'm sure Mr. Greenhaus will be along to discuss this, but to me its a simple matter of loyalty to Dick or Sandy Paton for that matter. I understand the financial angle all too well, but if they have it, I'd just as soon buy from them. "You got to make it off your friends 'cause your enemies won't dela with you.".........Denny Smith, best friend and an honorable businessman explaining why our shop didn't back up to oue pricing. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Camsco vs: CDNow From: MMario Date: 19 Sep 00 - 10:28 AM did you ever consider the fact that shipping and handling expenses are higher for a small outfit? |
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Subject: Camsco vs: CDNow From: Chef Date: 19 Sep 00 - 10:23 AM I've bought many CDs from Camsco without questioning their prices and practices. Someone told me, though, that I'd get a better deal at CDNow. So, I decided to compare the prices on what I've decided is my next purchase, the new CD by Jody Stecher. Camsco = $12.98 CDNow = $12.34 I can understand that a small operation like Camsco needs to charge a little more for the product. The 5% difference would not have made me switch from Camsco to CDNow. But then I factored in the shipping charges. Camsco = $4.20 CDNow = $2.99 That is a whopping 40% difference. It seems to me that Camsco is hiding its true prices within inflated "shipping" charges. Needless to say, I made the order at CDNow. I am on a limited budget and have been ordering about one CD a month. With the difference in shipping charges, I could have had an extra two or three CDs in the past two years if I had known what Camsco was doing. |
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