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Eruption has started in Iceland (20-Mar-2010)

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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland (20-Mar-2010)
From: gnu
Date: 27 May 10 - 05:50 PM

There are better sites, but I can't find them right off.


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland (20-Mar-2010)
From: gnu
Date: 27 May 10 - 05:38 PM

John.... "Most significant eruptions give a short notice, via earth tremblers, for a short time before a blow."

Ahhh... that is what has happened over the past several days. skarpi felt one...


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland (20-Mar-2010)
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 27 May 10 - 05:23 PM

The article says that a "magma intrusion" has been detected, which usually is something that happens prior to volcano eruption; but that thus far the earthquake activity that would be expected immediately prior to one has not been apparent. Most significant eruptions give a short notice, via earth tremblers, for a short time before a blow.

This implies that it's not quite KYAG time, but the warning is that people be aware and "stay tuned for the news."

The most evident "target" for the warning appears to be those who need to do some long-range planning for how to handle the discruptions in world-wide weather, travel, communications, and such that could be much worse than the flight delays that had everyone screaming recently.

While there have been many comments by politicians and "commentors" there is little evidence of other than cursory evaluation of the actual damages caused by the previous dust plumes, much less any real preparation to limit the impact of subsequent similar events.

The current warning is a real one, but the news release is mostly a call for somebody to form a "6P Committee" - soon.

John


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland (20-Mar-2010)
From: gnu
Date: 27 May 10 - 10:21 AM

skarpi said he was aware of the activity over the past days.

I am sure EVERY Icelander is.


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland (20-Mar-2010)
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 27 May 10 - 08:35 AM

They say soon, but how soon is soon?


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland (20-Mar-2010)
From: SINSULL
Date: 27 May 10 - 08:15 AM

And now a word from Katla:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37371442/ns/world_news-europe/

It was just a matter of time. Hope Skarpi is paying close attention.
SINS


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland (20-Mar-2010)
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 04 May 10 - 10:14 AM

Not any more. It only closed from 7.00-13.00. Flights are resuming as normal.


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland (20-Mar-2010)
From: SINSULL
Date: 04 May 10 - 10:08 AM

Irish airspace is closed.


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland (20-Mar-2010)
From: gnu
Date: 03 May 10 - 05:32 PM

Again?


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland (20-Mar-2010)
From: Jack Campin
Date: 30 Apr 10 - 08:12 AM

For the rest of Europe, the worst Katla eruption in recent centuries was that of 1625, which caused catastrophic famine across northern Europe. In Scotland, this was the main impetus for the development of the coal industry - the summer was so cold and wet that peat never dried out enough to burn, adding an acute energy shortage to the misery of famine, flooding, cold and toxic smog. This seems to have caused more loss of life in Scotland than any other natural disaster since the Black Death. (And presumably the rest of northern Europe, at least - Scotland happens to be the place I know most about). Other years when it seems to have had an effect on conditions in Scotland: 1722 (following the 1721 eruption), gales causing massive crop destruction; 1755-6, famine. It may have contributed to the three-year famine of the early 1580s, but the 1580 eruption seems not to have been prolonged enough to explain all that on its own; maybe Billy Mitchell in Bougainville Island was responsible (much bigger than any Icelandic volcano). The 1755-6 eruption may have had some effect on the Seven Years War, which was ultimately what made the independence of the US possible - Britain and France beating each other senseless after a war motivated by scarcity allowed a new force to emerge.

According to this page, Katla always blows up with much the same power (within one order of magnitude):

Historical record

There's been a substantial variation in its wider effect, though.

Northern Europe always gets more affected by Icelandic eruptions than anywhere else - Britain in particular. Coming on top of the present economic crisis and peak oil in the North Sea fields, a major Katla eruption (wiping out most UK agriculture for a year or two) would put the British economy some way below where Greece is now and finally obliterate the British delusion of being a "world power".


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland (20-Mar-2010)
From: GUEST,amy
Date: 30 Apr 10 - 06:56 AM

what would happen if mount katla erupted???


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland (20-Mar-2010)
From: SINSULL
Date: 15 Apr 10 - 08:37 AM

refresh


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: SINSULL
Date: 14 Apr 10 - 05:04 PM

Katla may be coming alive:
Authorities monitoring Iceland's Katla volcano after eruption near glacier
By D. Scriber l Published: Monday, March 22 2010 17:25
Authorities are closely monitoring the Eyjafjallajokull and Myrdalsjokull glaciers in Iceland following a rare volcanic eruption in the country over the weekend that forced the evacuation of hundreds of people. Scientists have engaged in aerial surveys of the region to see if residents may return. Molten lava spewed from a rupture of the Katla volcano near the Eyjafjallajokull glacier over the weekend, as seen in the video below. RUV news in Iceland reported small earthquakes near the volcanic eruption early Monday, but worldwide earthquake data from the U.S. Geological Survey failed to confirm the activity. Katla is considered one of the most dangerous volcanos in Iceland and authorities, according to news reports, have a safety plan in place should it go off.


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: gnu
Date: 14 Apr 10 - 08:06 AM

2 hours, 5 minutes ago

REYKJAVIK (Reuters) - A volcanic eruption in southern Iceland spewed black smoke and white steam into the air on Wednesday and partially melted a glacier, forcing hundreds to evacuate from the thinly populated area.

The plume was seen rising from a crater under about 200 meters (656 ft) of ice at the Eyjafjallajokull glacier, close to the site of another eruption which started last month and only died down on Monday, Icelandic state radio reported.

The Icelandic Civil Defense Authority ordered 700 people to evacuate their homes and warned that melting ice could set off floods at a nearby river, which had already risen by 84 centimeters (33 inches), the radio said.

A coast guard plane flying overhead was able to spot an opening in the glacier, but no lava or fire was immediately visible due to low clouds, the report said.

Icelandic scientists had measured increased seismic activity near the glacier about two hours before the volcano started to erupt in the early morning on Wednesday, it added.

In March, another volcano erupted near the Eyjafjallajokull glacier and caused no casualties.

The volcano, situated beneath Iceland's fifth largest glacier, has erupted five times since Iceland was settled in the ninth century.


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: Noreen
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 07:39 AM

NASA pictures of the eruption


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: Arnie
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 07:31 AM

Jack C - I stand corrected. Just had another look at the newspaper article and it was indeed an eruption in 1783. In the interest of factual accuracy, thanks for clearing that up!


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: Noreen
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 05:45 AM

Volcano web-cam


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: skarpi
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 08:26 PM

http://mila.is/um-milu/vefmyndavelar/eyjafjallajokull-fra-thorolfsfelli/

live web cam from the eruption ....

kv Skarpi


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 04:45 PM

The thought occurs that with all their use of geothermal power, just turning on all the hot water taps should extract enough heat to cool the lava that might be approaching the surface, thereby avoiding any additional eruptions - at least for a time.

So perhaps a national campaign to have every person in Iceland take a hot shower (all at the same time to encourage a united participation) should be a big help. ...

...

...

But with the sparse population, maybe the couple of hundred gallons of spilled water wouldn't make much difference.

We'd need a knowledgeable local person to assess how effective it might be.

John


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: gnu
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 02:17 PM

Well, since the UK has not helped Iceland with their debt, Odin is gonna kich some ash again.


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: skarpi
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 01:39 PM

jabb Jack ,and 20 % of my nation died ...


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: Jack Campin
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 10:14 AM

Read in today's paper that there was a huge volcanic eruption in Iceland in the early 1700's and the dust thrown into the atmosphere completely ruined the summer here in the UK. Even worse, it disrupted the monsoon rains and caused drought and famine in Africa and Asia.

Late 18th century - Laki, 1783-5. More than "ruined the summer", there was a huge death toll from cold and hunger, and catastrophic famine in Shetland.


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: SINSULL
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 09:44 AM

Wonder if Odin could be appeased by tossing the executives of the Baugur Group into a volcano?
He certainly has a lot to be angry about.


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: skarpi
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 08:22 AM

well Mary , only the gods but they said if a volcano erupted
that someone had turned the gods to anger .

it was connected yes to the ( Heiðni trú ) or I think you call it Pagan
faith ..

many Icelanders today quit the luthern faith and go back to the old faith , viking faith ....is what we call Heiðni trú .

I am thinking about it .. becouse I don´t like the way the
Luthern church here in Iceland is going .

so maybe next year I will taken the viking faith , and start have faith in Odinn and thor ..and all the others :O)


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: SINSULL
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 08:14 AM

Skarpi,
This is going to sound likke a silly question but I am going to ask anyway. Did the early Icelandics worship the volcanoes as gods or at least personalities? I would think it would be hard not to.
Mary


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: skarpi
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 07:19 AM

oh dear .....

no worry yet , the big one the Katla is still a sleep ...


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: Arnie
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 07:08 AM

Read in today's paper that there was a huge volcanic eruption in Iceland in the early 1700's and the dust thrown into the atmosphere completely ruined the summer here in the UK. Even worse, it disrupted the monsoon rains and caused drought and famine in Africa and Asia. This could have more of an impact than the Icelandic banking crisis!!


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 24 Mar 10 - 10:47 PM

Skarpi's link:

http://www.ruv.is/frett/nyjar-myndir-fra-eldstodvunum

AND:

Video.

(Note that the pictures continue after the talking stops, so don't click off too soon.)

John


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 24 Mar 10 - 01:19 PM

Thanks for the link, Skarpi.

I've been to Iceland twice, and I love it.


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: skarpi
Date: 24 Mar 10 - 11:42 AM

http://www.ruv.is/frett/nyjar-myndir-fra-eldstodvunum

new pictures ...from the eruptions taken this morning ..

on this website you can watch and get more pictures
I am told that there is video coming soon .. on this site .

kv Skarpi


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: skarpi
Date: 24 Mar 10 - 10:20 AM

thanks :O) but I can´t I stuck at moment on this Island ,,
can´t go anywhere .... If I go abroad , I loose my benefits
thats the law ....but hang on there ..there must be a job me there somewhere . :O)

kv Skarpi


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Mar 10 - 10:16 AM

Forget Maine, Skarpi -- come visit with me here in Idaho! Mountains, nice weather (but not too warm), even (currently inactive) volcanoes, hot springs to soak in...great place.


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: SINSULL
Date: 24 Mar 10 - 08:32 AM

Pack up your bags and your family and come visit snowy Maine (no snow this year) Skarpi until it all blows over. Minimal earthquakes, no volcanoes but an occasional nor'easter that is usually fun.


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: skarpi
Date: 24 Mar 10 - 04:55 AM

Ebbie we have about 40 min to 3 hours to move people away
from the area if this goes on the worst....

and we don´t know what time or day .....when eruptions
happens here there has always been earthquakes before it , it did
not happen this time ?? so that is the strange thing here ,
we have to try to understand and learn from , I think if Katla
is going to take the top of :O) she will let us know with a good earthquakes ...4 or 5 on richter scale ...that volcano is big ..
my most worry is will blow or mot .....


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: Noreen
Date: 24 Mar 10 - 04:07 AM

Ebbie- nobody knows, that is the point!

If eruptions and earthquakes were predictable, people wouldn't be caught out as they often are.


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 11:25 PM

Two comments here:

Ebbie doesn't read links.

Ebbie doesn't read links.

(I'd add a "smiley" but I hate them things ; > )

John


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 08:27 PM

Two questions/comments here:

OK- so Katla follows with an eruption of its own when its partner erupts. Does anyone have any information on the timeline?   Hours? Days? Weeks? Months? Years?

The other thing: I have no doubt but that JohninKansas saw a broadcast by MSNBC or whoever but his link led to an article written by an Icelander. So should we ease up on the media?


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 07:55 PM

Maybe Skarpi should be monitoring on his own - - ?

Ordinary laptops act as earthquake detectors

Quake-Catcher software taps into laptop accelerometer to detect shaking

By Stephanie Pappas
TechNewsDaily
updated 4:58 p.m. CT, Tues., March. 23, 2010

Most people use their laptops for work and Web browsing. Now you can add one more task to that list: earthquake detection.

From the recent early-morning 4.4-magnitude jostle in Los Angeles to February's magnitude 8.8 disaster in Chile, ordinary laptops are increasingly acting as miniature seismic stations. They're part of a volunteer army known as the Quake-Catcher Network, which takes advantage of built-in accelerometers in newer laptops to transmit data about earthquakes to researchers at UC Riverside and Stanford University.

About 1,000 people from 61 countries have signed up so far. If the network gets large enough, researchers say, it could act as a low-cost earthquake warning system.

"It's providing additional data that can be fed into the seismic networks," said Elizabeth Cochran, a UC Riverside geoscientist. "It also allows us to record earthquakes at a scale that we haven't been able to before because of the cost."

Cochran came up with the idea for the Quake-Catcher Network when she learned that most new laptops come equipped with accelerometers. These motion-detecting devices are designed to switch off the hard drive if the laptop is dropped.

"I figured that we could easily tap into this data and use it to record earthquakes," Cochran said.

The Quake-Catcher software program, downloadable at qcn.stanford.edu, runs in the background on the laptop and becomes active when the user is idle.

When the accelerometers detect a quake, the program automatically transmits data about the type and intensity of shaking over the Internet to the researchers.

[end quote - more at the link]

Resolution isn't too good, with about a 4.0 being the smallest quake detected. I'd likely be out in the street long before that, but it might make a nice hobby in more active areas. And I didn't see anything about how to tell whether your laptop has the necessary accelerometers.

John


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: SINSULL
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 04:28 PM

Mostly keep you and yours safe.
But it has to be a bit exciting. We all saw Pierce Brosnan ride his jeep down the lava flow and out to safety - very realistic...heh heh


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: skarpi
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 04:10 PM

in the tv news tonight , they tell us that will be going on for weeks or months ?? and the pressure under the glacier is still going up
well that is not a good news ......that mean s the magma
could go over to Katla ..... bit by bit ..but who know s
only the future ...

but I am easy on this , I fled VestmannIsland 1973 and I am
also trained rescue man .. we have been trained well for
a happening like this ..we will deal with it in the easy way ..:O)


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: robomatic
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 04:07 PM

skarpi:

I'm thinking of you and wishing you an adventure without consequences. May it be exciting but harmless. I'm sure if you're at work there is a website you can find that will keep you updated.

I don't know how to say "Be Well" "Be Safe" in Icelandic. So Be Well and Be Safe.


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: robomatic
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 04:02 PM

We have several active volcanos about 100 miles away give or take, we've been dusted three times memorably in my memory and one very very fine dusting briefly last year. Then i was working in a large building downtown and our safety person was daily giving us emergency briefings about flare-ups that, IF the wind was blowing the right way, COULD bring some dust to town and initiate problems for folks with emphysema or asthma. Over the weekends we put plastic bags over our terminals and computers, but my 'favorite' day was after news of a flare-up, again a hundred miles away, the safety person brought our servers down and it took the rest of the day to get them up and running.


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: SINSULL
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 03:29 PM

I got the point, John. I was joking when I mentioned you as Chicken Little.

We have the same problem with weathermen here. If there is the slightest chance that snow will turn to SNOW, they hype it. 2" forecast and we get 2 feet. 2 foot forecast and we get a couple of hours of rain if anything. We actually had a school closure based on their forecasts and nothing happened.

Now I don't even check the weather other than the National Weather forecast.


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: frogprince
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 03:25 PM

Stay tuned for "As the World Burps".


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 03:16 PM

It seems that several people missed my point.

What I intended to make clear was that major international news media, and specifically MSNBC, didn't feel that the eruption in Iceland was worth reporting at all, until they figured a way to blast it out of proportion and turn it into a fable devoid of truth and honesty and make it LOOK LIKE a looming disaster.

My suggestion will continue to be that people in Iceland should listen to their local informed advisors, and everybody should treat reports by the international "news" media with due suspicion.

John


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: SINSULL
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 02:08 PM

Yeah it did:
http://volcanism.wordpress.com/2010/03/04/eyjafjallajokull-and-katla-restless-neighbours/

Scientists are concerned that Katla may erupt. The press will jump on that because it attracts readers. No one is suggesting a mass evacuation except JohninKansas and he wants to evacuate the world.


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: skarpi
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 02:08 PM

Leenia , yes there is a big magma under Katla .. Pall Einarsson, a geophysicist at the University of Iceland's Institute of Earth Science
showed us on the tV last night what is goin on ....and I hope
Katla sleeps for a little bit longer ....becouse its a
tikking bomb ..

There are three large magma places in the mountain .....and the one in middle is the biggest ....on each side there are two smaller , but still big , and they are I tihnk the word is sour ...what ever that means .
but I understand thats not a good sign .

kv Skarpi


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: Jack Campin
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 12:44 PM

"Scientists say history has proven that when the Eyjafjallajokull volcano erupts, Katla follows

The last one was in the 1820s, and Kafla didn't go boom then.


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: SINSULL
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 11:51 AM

Some more info from Icelandic geophysicists:
"The volcano has been inflating since the beginning of the year, both rising and swelling," said Pall Einarsson, a geophysicist at the University of Iceland's Institute of Earth Science. "Even though we were seeing increased seismic activity, it could have been months or years before we saw an eruption like this ... we couldn't say that there was an imminent risk for the area."

Einarsson and Gudmundsson said the eruption could trigger a more damaging eruption at the nearby Karla volcano, which lies under the thick Myrdalsjokull icecap and threatens massive flooding and explosive blasts if it erupts.

"One of the possible scenarios we're looking at is that this small eruption could bring about something bigger. This said, we can't speculate on when that could happen," Einarsson told The Associated Press.

Iceland, a nation of 320,000 people, sits on a large volcanic hot spot in the Atlantic's mid-oceanic ridge. Volcanic eruptions, common throughout Iceland's history, are often triggered by seismic activity when the Earth's plates move and when magma from deep underground pushes it's way to the surface.


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: Stu
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 11:49 AM

Also, the volcanoes of Iceland of of a different type to the Pacific Rim cones which occur over subducting plate boundaries and are dangerous because of their explosive nature (a la Mount St. Helens); they tend to behave differently due to their relationship with the various types of plate boundary.

As I understand it, the mid-atlantic ridge rises above sea-level at Iceland and I did't think it was above a mantle plume. Interesting stuff.


"So we should evacuate all of Iceland, San Fransico Bay area, etc. etc.?"

This is an interesting point our nameless friend has made. In truth, people ignore the warnings of vulcanologists, geologists and others when deciding where to live until it's too late. Many areas of human habitation encroach into zones many scientists will tell you are dangerous to live in. There's real concern about this, and near volcanoes like Vesuvius they are trying to persuade people not to live near the areas where pyroclastic flows might occur.


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: SINSULL
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 11:18 AM

Unlike the powerful volcanos along the Pacific Rim where the slow rise of magma gives scientists early seismic warnings that an eruption is imminent, Iceland's volcanos are unique in that many erupt under ice sheets with little warning.

A few tremors the morning of the eruption. No seismic warning.


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 10:35 AM

I suspect that ALL of the media is watching cartoons and playing with themselves. Their parents really should be watching them.


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 10:27 AM

An excellent point, Guest.

I was talking to my husband (a geologist) about this. The latest theory about Iceland is that it is located where the mid-Atlantic spreading center encountered a hot spot in the mantle. (For example, hot spots occur under Yellowstone and under the Hawaiian Islands.) That is why Iceland is the only place in the world where a spreading center appears above the sea floor.

So for any given volcano, it makes sense to ask "Is it still on the spreading center? Is it still over the hot spot? Or has it moved off and lost its source of magma?"

Another thing we all learned when Mount St. Helens erupted - eruptions are preceded by vibrations called harmonic tremors. They are caused by magma moving underground and can be detected by seismographs.

I'm sure an educated nation like Iceland has the sense to check for harmonic tremors in its major volcanoes.

No doubt the people at MSNBC were watching cartoons the whole time Mount St Helens went off, and they still don't know any of this stuff.


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: SINSULL
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 10:23 AM

No it's not. There is a direct connection between these two volcanoes. I am not trying to create panic simply pointing out what scientists say is the case.
And I did it under my own name. An odd subject to hide your identity for.


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 09:20 AM

"Scientists say history has proven that when the Eyjafjallajokull volcano erupts, Katla follows — the only question is how soon."

Well, yes, surely the same is true of ALL volcanoes/ earthquake zones, etc... So we should evacuate all of Iceland, San Fransico Bay area, etc. etc.?

As Skarpi says, live one day at a time.
    I'll let this one pass by, but you really should use a name when posting.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: skarpi
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 09:03 AM

well the Scientists would not be telling us this unless
they are worry ...so worry yes , but just live one day at the time
don´t let this take you mind out.

the Eruption is steady now ,, the lava is running down hill
into small valley´s , no marks of any earthquakes in Katla yet

so ..

the weather here is real bad the wind is from 38 mtr to 60
and this is the second day and its gonna be like this until tomorrow
is this something to be worry about , autumnn we had a warm
and slow weather and January was good and most of February
also , and now since the eruption , the weather has been
like this ...more than less ...a connection between
..

kv skarpi


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: Stu
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 08:10 AM

It's a hazard of living on top of a diverging plate boundary Skarpi ;-)

Hope all is well and Katla stays slumbering . . .


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: SINSULL
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 08:00 AM

"Scientists say history has proven that when the Eyjafjallajokull volcano erupts, Katla follows — the only question is how soon."

tick tick tick ?????????


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: skarpi
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 05:03 AM

what are you talking about or getting at ?? hahahahaha
this is the joke of the year .......

but yes , this could have world consequences , this eruption is so small
that you do not need to worry a bit .....its Katla ...she is one
wo could lead to same problems that the world saw in 8 th of June 1783 and the
after that ....it stopped in 1785 ...at the same time we got
influenza to Iceland and we lost 20 % of the nation in
this crisis .......

So just hope that Katla wont wake up ... she is a tikking time BOMB
and could make things here ...like hell .....for many months ...


but that is the worst ...thinking ......

one day at the time sweet jesus ......


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 23 Mar 10 - 02:34 AM

It took them a couple of days, but MSNBC has finally noticed the Iceland eruption, and has declared that

THE END OF THE WORLD IS AT HAND!!!

Iceland volcano could have world consequences

Most of the people in England will freeze to death in the next few months!

North America will be blanketed with snow all summer!

All the crops in Europe will die.

Poisonous gas will kill millions (or maybe that's just part of the Viging attack?).

[They must be having a slow week in the news room?)

John


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Mar 10 - 10:23 PM

I knew it! I knew it!

ICELAND IS ARMING AND WILL SOON BE GOING A-VIKING AGAIN!!!

Those aren't volcanic eruptions! It's the Dokkalfar, Durin, Dvalin, Nyi, Nidi, Nordri, Sudri, Austri, Vestri, Althiolf, Nar, Nain, Niping, Dain, Bifur, Bofur, Nori, Ori, Onar, Oin, Modvitnir, Vig, Gandalf, Vindalf, Thorin, Fili, Kili, Fundin, Vali, Thror, Throin, Thekk, Lit, Vitr, Nyr, Nyrad, Rekk, Radsvinn, Draupnir, Dolgthvari, Hor, Hugstari, Hlediolf, Gloin, Dori, Duf, Andvari, Heptifili, Har, Siar, Skirpir, Virpir, Skafinn, Ai, Alf, Ingi, Eikinskialdi, Fal, Frosti, Finn, Ginnar and the rest of them forging the swords, spears and shields that will be needed!


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: Celtaddict
Date: 22 Mar 10 - 09:55 PM

We have been watching this too; so glad to hear you are safe, Skarpi, and thanks for keeping us posted. I remember when we lived in Iceland going out in the evening to view the glow of the eruption and the lava flow, and the foolish folks who kept creeping a little closer and a little closer until the hot stony earth burst their tires. It all made for some amazing photos, but far better to see from a safe distance, and NOT with one's home or livelihood at stake!


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: skarpi
Date: 22 Mar 10 - 07:00 PM

and Doug , no the volcano is not under the place you are staying
in :O)

kv Skarpi


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: skarpi
Date: 22 Mar 10 - 06:52 PM

Daug you are gonna be Okei hahahahaha
dont worry that volcano is in deep sleep ....
at the moment ....

you dont have to be worry at all Daug ,
just enjoy your stay , we will take you arond and try to see
this eruption if its still on :O)

kv Skarpi


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: Dan Schatz
Date: 22 Mar 10 - 05:14 PM

I'm glad you're ok, Skarpi. When the news of this came I immediately thought of you.

Dan


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: SINSULL
Date: 22 Mar 10 - 03:44 PM

It was supposed to be a surprise, Doug. You're the annual sacrifice to the volcano goddess. The Fire and Ice Festival.


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 22 Mar 10 - 03:40 PM

but the nearest volcano to my home town is 10 km away from
my door step .....:O)


Erm ..... Skarpi, in the Eurogathering thread you said that our accomodation is 10km from your home town. Is there something you're not telling us?

DC


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 Mar 10 - 12:17 PM

"Volcano on my doorstep" -- sounds like a hit country-and-western song, Skarpi.

I got a volcano on my doorstep
Cuz my wife and my girlfriend
Are standing out there....


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: skarpi
Date: 22 Mar 10 - 12:03 PM

well I have have run away once in 1973 , I could do it again
if something would happen at my doorstep ....

here we LAKI, KATLA and HEKLA and VestmannIslands and
ofcourse the volcanos very near Reykjavík only few km ...

but the nearest volcano to my home town is 10 km away from
my door step .....:O)

kv Skarpi


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: Rowan
Date: 21 Mar 10 - 10:10 PM

SINS, I live in the sincere hope that those of us south of the equator will survive even that one. But I do have fears for you northern hemisphere lot.

Cheers, Rowan


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: SINSULL
Date: 21 Mar 10 - 09:39 PM

Watch it closely, Rap. But when it goes we can all kisses our asses "Goodbye". BBBBBOOOOOOOOOOM!


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Mar 10 - 09:27 PM

Iceland: Ya GOTTA be a Viking!

Stay safe, Skarpi. I live very close to the Yellowstone Caldera myself. It's beautiful, but very dangerous if you are not alert (or act stupidly).


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: Leadfingers
Date: 21 Mar 10 - 11:39 AM

Skarpi's last link


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: Allan C.
Date: 21 Mar 10 - 09:33 AM

Excellent memory, OM! Yep, I do remember the thing about what seemed to be somewhat successful attempts to cool the lava from that eruption. As Skarpi says, this one seems much more calm by comparison. I hope it will remain so.

Best wishes, Skarpi. Glad you and yours are safe.


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: open mike
Date: 21 Mar 10 - 08:18 AM

i remember seeing video of lava flow i think it was iceland where they shot water on it by fire hoses to cool and therefore direct or deflect the flow.

i was hoping to find a video, but could only find this Geological report. this shows that some effort can be made to interact with lava but that doesn't address the flooding due to lava heating glaciers.

best wishes to Skarpi and family....


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 21 Mar 10 - 08:14 AM

Thinking of you, our Iceland friends!


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: skarpi
Date: 21 Mar 10 - 07:17 AM

if its 160km from the capital , then we can off 51 km that s the way from me to the capital ..

so its more like 110 km away from me but am still ok , this is a small
eruption and its not gonna meld any glacier ( yet ) becouse tis
between two glacier ( Mýrdalsjökull( KATLA ) and Eyjafjalla )
in Mýrdalsjökull we have another volcano a Huge one and it has not erupted for about 100 hundred years it belongs to the same
volcanic line as Laki ..and also Hekla volcano is also ready to go up
anytime now , there we have only 20 to 40 min notice ...:O)

from my hometown on the other hand we have several volcano
from 10 to 50 km away ..and so far no activity ..so thats nice ...

and I have no interest to relive 1973 again the VestmannIsland
eruption ..no thanks... but I guess mother earth
is not going to ask me about that is it :O) hahahaha

all the best Skarpi


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 Mar 10 - 06:59 AM

Skarpi is 100 miles west of the eruption, he'll be OK. The people they are evacuating are in the path of any floods that my follow the eruption, due to melting of the glaciers.
From what I read, nobody is in danger directly at the moment.
Meteorological updates here


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: gnu
Date: 21 Mar 10 - 06:14 AM

News report.


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: gnu
Date: 21 Mar 10 - 06:09 AM

Hope all is well, S.


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: skarpi
Date: 21 Mar 10 - 05:29 AM

http://http.ruv.straumar.is/static.ruv.is/vefur/innklipp_eldgos.wmv

those are videos from to last night


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 21 Mar 10 - 05:29 AM

Open Mike's last news link said authorities have evacuated people 160 km southeast of blast due to fear of flooding from glacial melt. Where is Skarpi?


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: My guru always said
Date: 21 Mar 10 - 04:15 AM

Hope everyone is safe!!


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Mar 10 - 03:37 AM

An echo here: Stay safe, Skarpi.


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: Alice
Date: 21 Mar 10 - 01:26 AM

stay safe, Skarpi.


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: open mike
Date: 21 Mar 10 - 12:58 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8578576.stm
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/top/all/6923224.html


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: Rowan
Date: 21 Mar 10 - 12:36 AM

Here's hoping your 'eruption drills' have better effect than some of our 'bushfire drills' did. All the best, skarpi.

Cheers, Rowan


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: GUEST,Mac
Date: 21 Mar 10 - 12:01 AM

It is so exciting to be herein Iceland when such things happen, I just hope everyone is save and nothing really bad happens.


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: maeve
Date: 20 Mar 10 - 11:56 PM

Thank you, Skarpi. No wonder I can't sleep! :)

maeve


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 20 Mar 10 - 11:34 PM

A clicky-link to Skarpi's http://www.ruv.is/hekla.

http://www.ruv.is/hekla

The website loads/displays as a video movie, but looks like more of a slide show than a movie, and loads a new picture about every ten or twenty seconds. At present about all I see is a white splash on a very black background.

News story at Volcano-Erupts-Under-Eyjafjallajokull

John


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: SINSULL
Date: 20 Mar 10 - 10:32 PM

Stay safe, skarpi.
SINS


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: katlaughing
Date: 20 Mar 10 - 10:23 PM

Good, I am really glad you are all safe.

The website came up okay, but the video wouldn't play. Thanks, though.:-)


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: skarpi
Date: 20 Mar 10 - 09:50 PM

now I dont know if can go into this but try http://www.ruv.is/hekla
you can see the light from the eruption from that camera.

kv Skarpi


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: skarpi
Date: 20 Mar 10 - 09:42 PM

haha Paul , don´t worry we have plan for this , we knew this
many weeks ago and we trained this plan then, and now we are
working after it and its working well :O) , only worry is floot
from the glacier ....it takes about two to three ours to come down ..

and lets hope everyone will be gone ....by then

kv Skarpi


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: Paul Burke
Date: 20 Mar 10 - 09:23 PM

hej Skarpi:

Hope whatever bad things happen, it all goes well for you. Poor Iceland! never rains but it pours.


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: skarpi
Date: 20 Mar 10 - 09:23 PM

I am safe , and my family also .
:O) more new coming later ..I think this is a small one
at least we did not had any big earthquakes here ??

kv Skarpi


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Subject: RE: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: katlaughing
Date: 20 Mar 10 - 09:18 PM

Out here, that doesn't sound like very far away, Skarpi. Please stay as safe as possible and let us know, when you can, how things are going.

Good thoughts of safety for all concerned.

Ast,

kat


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Subject: Eruption has started in Iceland just now
From: skarpi
Date: 20 Mar 10 - 09:11 PM

Hallo all Eruption has started in one of our Glacier
Eyjafjallajökli and at the moment we are moving people away to saver
places ... we don´t know yet how big or small this is

more later , this about 160 km away from my home town ..so I think I am britty save ....

kv Skarpi


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