BS: Obama is a socialist

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: artbrooks
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 12:23 AM

Sawzaw, did you happen to notice that the article you cited is from March 2007? The Employee Free Choice Act is not before the House and, when brougt before the Senate last year, it died on a straight party-line vote.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Sawzaw
Date: 17 Oct 08 - 11:40 PM

"he Annenburgs who were Republicans and had ties to Ronald Reagan. Does that make Ronald Reagan and the Annenburgs also terrorists by association"

Does that make Ayres Legit by assicaition?

Comrade Ayres: Viva Presidente Chavez! Viva La Revolucion Bolivariana!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 17 Oct 08 - 11:14 PM

Forgot to post name on other one.....sorry....(shuffles out of the room)

From: meself
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 03:42 PM
"you jump my shit?
Is this gangsta-talk or jive-talk or what?
Just curious.

Naw, I'm not a 'gangsta'..and I ain't jivin'!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Sawzaw
Date: 17 Oct 08 - 11:09 PM

"he believes in entrepreneurism and support for small business"

Apparently the person that posted this has never lived under Socialisim and doesn't know what he is talking about.

Here is what comrade Obama wants for businesses:

THE HOUSE of Representatives is expected today to approve a bill, favored by organized labor, whose stated purpose is glaringly at odds with its key provision. The Employee Free Choice Act is portrayed by its supporters as a way to allow workers to choose whether to join a union.

Unfortunately, the legislation would do away with a secret ballot in so-called organizing elections, making it easier for union leaders to pressure co-workers in what should be a free choice. Instead of having the option of insisting on a secret ballot election, employers would have to accept a union formed on the basis of authorization cards signed by workers â€" not by a secret process....
....Unions once supported the secret ballot for organization elections. They were right then and are wrong now. Unions have every right to a fair hearing, and the National Labor Relations Board should be more vigilant about attempts by employers to game the system. In the end, however, whether to unionize is up to the workers. A secret ballot ensures that their choice will be a free one.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: meself
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 03:42 PM

"you jump my shit???"

??????

Is this gangsta-talk or jive-talk or what?

Just curious.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 03:40 PM

It's not like they've been particularly keen on cutting me any slack in the first place.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 03:39 PM

I'm sorry, but I don't really want to push the limits and then find out that I've been barred.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: PoppaGator
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 03:35 PM

Joe ~ I second Amos' motion.

Carol ~ I would suggest that you push those limits a bit; see what happens if you use brief copied-and-pasted quotes, trying to comply with the spirit, if not the letter, of whatever special "laws" have been imposed on you and you alone.

There has to have been some reason for you to have been subjected to these special constraints. If you can understand why this happened, you should be able to adapt and resume making clear references without overdoing it. We can all hope that the powers-that-be will recognize that you are behaving yourself and need no longer be policed more stringently than the rest of us.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Amos
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 03:28 PM

Joe: I move these constraints be relieved.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 03:27 PM

Every time I see the title of this thread I smile and think...."Oh, please God, let it be so!"

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 03:20 PM

I am not allowed to quote anything that other posters have said. I am also not allowed to copy paste anything that other posters have said. I am not allowed to address other posters directly. I am not allowed to refer directly to other posters. If I violate these rules, I will be barred from posting to the Mudcat. This rule applies only to me (at least, I am not aware of this rule applying to anyone else). It makes no sense to me, but there's nothing I can do about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 03:16 PM

LOL

Some people are desperate for validation. Others of us are just trying to follow our consciences.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: PoppaGator
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 02:35 PM

"This business of not being allowed to quote the contents of posts creates a lot of confusion, I know, but there isn't anything I can do about it."

I very often include a brief quote from a previous post so as to clarify whatever the hell it is that I'm trying to talk about. (See previous paragraph.)

I had not realized that this common-sense precedure was against any rules, and I'm still not sure that it really is proscribed. I do know, for sure, that I have not been censured for doing so, and I do this on a daily basis.

Please don't hestiate to copy-and-paste a brief reference to whatever argument you wish to refute, or to any discussion you wish to continue. Makes things easier for all of us trying to read through this stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 02:07 PM

Thank you, CarolC, for once again validating my exact point...hey Kendall, you out there?? Just as I was saying.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 02:05 PM

Do your homework, Amos...what i said is a WELL KNOWN FACT!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 02:04 PM

John McCain's economic team has two people on it who have lobbied for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac...

'Rick Davis: Before becoming McCain's campaign manager, Davis "served as president of an advocacy group led by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac that defended the two companies against increased regulation." As noted in the Progress Report, "During his tenure, Davis moved to challenge even the smallest measures to make sure that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are be held more accountable for their actions."'

'William Timmons: A consummate Washington insider, Timmons, who McCain tapped to head his presidential transition team, was a lobbyist with Timmons and Co., and lobbied for, among others, Freddie Mac. According to Time, "He has registered to work on bills that deal with the regulations of troubled mortgage lenders Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae."'

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2008/09/15/mccain-econ-team/

That last one appears also to be the one who lobbied on behalf of Saddam.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Amos
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 02:03 PM

GtS;

You "WAKE THE F**K up!!!!!!".   I greatly admire your spirit and passion and even your tone of completely outraged indignation, sometimes, but your arm-waving accusations are defeating any intent you may have to communicate. There ARE ways to communicate effectively, I am sure you know, and ways to just shut down possible communication. McCain's types lean toward the latter.

There is nothing Marxist about Obama's positions, so give your arms (and any other body parts involved) a rest.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 01:54 PM

Perhaps, you were referencing their opinions, not my facts...in which case....sorry...if not....follow the other instructions

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 01:49 PM

Opinions???????????????????????????????
Dig a hole and place your head in it....you might use the one you already have, ..again!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: kendall
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 01:45 PM

You know what they say about opinions.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 01:33 PM

Based on YOUR previous, and links,..which seem to be accurate....

Ayers with the Annenbergs, Obama with the Annenbergs, McCain with the Annenbergs, and Saddam Hussein, Ayers with Chavez, Chavez supporting Obama, Freddie and Fannie, giving money to Obama, and some(less to McCain) and Frank, and Dodd, Paulsen, with Goldman Sachs, now with the treasury, and nationalizing the banking system with Bush, Paulsen, when with Goldman Sachs, making it policy change to not back their loans with equity, Rezko, and on and on....and yet when I point out that ALL these fraudulent bozos are corrupt, and working with each other, taking away our rights...you jump my shit??? Go figure!! How much stuff has to come out, before your light bulbs go off?? The difference between Obama's socialism, and McCain's is Obama 'leans' toward Marxism, and McCain/Bush's toward fascism. Wow!, what a choice!!....
yeah, I know, a typical GfS post, I've heard that before too. WAKE THE F**K up!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 12:18 PM

Nationalising the entire banking system under Bush makes Bush the biggest national socialist in American history.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 10:45 AM

I wouldn't make too much of Chavez & others hinting that they'd rather see Obama elected....it's not that they think his philosophy is in line with their's....they just have visions of a McCain led administration doing some sort of unilateral bombing or invasion of their turf.

I don't think they will LIKE Obama's attitude towards them, but they consider his to be lesser of two what-they-call-evils.

Oh...and this recent attempt to scare Jewish voters by hinting that Obama will not honor agreements to protect Israel....that is crap! and beneath contempt!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Alice
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 10:25 AM

Can't remember now which thread I posted the link on.
McCain's transition guy worked for Saddam Hussein to try to lesson sanctions on his regime.
Talk about working for terrorists?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Amos
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 10:21 AM

Glad we got that cleared up and sorted in a nice logical manner....



A

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 10:20 AM

McCain took money from people who support terrorists! Well that settles it. McCain is a terrorist!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 10:18 AM

The woman who shot an abortion doctor in the arms has some connections to McCain. Someone who has worked on the McCain campaign at a local level has spoken publicly in support of the woman who shot the abortion doctor. So McCain has someone who has worked in his campaign who supports terrorists.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Alice
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 10:08 AM

The Annenbergs donated money to the McCain campaign. The guilt by association thing is so silly I can't believe it has gotten this much traction.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: kendall
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 10:04 AM

What about that woman who killed the abortion Doctor? Is she a McCain associate?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 09:59 AM

Thanks! but tho I wish I could honestly claim it, "fundagelical" ain't mine- I picked it up somewhere & wish I could remember where so I could give proper attribution.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 09:07 AM

Not to mention the fact that Ayres was put on that board by the Annenburgs who were Republicans and had ties to Ronald Reagan. Does that make Ronald Reagan and the Annenburgs also terrorists by association? There were other Republicans on that board with Obama and Ayres. Does that make those Republicans also terrorists by association?

How about all of the people who are associated with Ayres at the university where he teaches (some of whom are Republicans)? Are they also terrorists by association?

This "guilt by association" thing is a very slippery slope, as they learned during the time of Joe McCarthy.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: artbrooks
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 08:40 AM

I had been trying to come up with a similar (hypothetical) situation in my own life to Obama's "relationship" with Ayers, and arrived at the name David Greenglass. For those whose memory doesn't immediately give them Greenglass' life story, he was convicted spy Julius Rosenberg's brother-in-law, also a confessed Soviet spy, whose perjured testimony sent Rosenberg's wife (who was Greenglass' sister) to the chair. The link between Greenglass and Ayers is that the Rosenbergs' trial (and Greenglass' very active part in it) were happening when I was eight years old, the same age as Obama was when Ayers and the Weather Underground were in the news.

Twenty-five years ago, when I was first involved in community organizations, if someone had invited me to chair an important committee, and introduced me to David Greenglass as a committee member, I wouldn't have had a clue to who he was, the name wouldn't have rung even the faintest of bells, and I would have seen no reason at all to investigate him further. Why would I? Why would anyone expect that Obama would have been any more aware of who Ayers had been, years before? Hell, even in the late '60s, "William Ayers" was hardly a household word. All of the charges against him were later dropped (because of FBI misconduct), while Greenglass got 17 years in jail.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 08:13 AM

Making Obama out to be a terrorist because he has shared the company with Bill Ayers is no more logical than making McCain out to be a Commie because he shared the company with North Vietnamese prison guards...

But beyond that, what Sawz/Dickey/OldGuy fails to take into account is that unlike most folks, politicans have to share the company with tons of people... It's part of the job... If Obama wanted to trivialize his campaign the way that McCain has he could turn his campaign loose and go digging thru all the various folks that McCain has rubbed elbows with over the years... I'm sure the list would be shocking...

But this election is way too important for trivializing... Too bad the McCains and the Sawzs of the world don't get it...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: kendall
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 07:47 AM

In 1776 we went to war to free ourselves from a foreign dictator. We won, well, (sorta) Now, many countries have tried the same thing but we back the despots who treat their subjects like shit!
Mr. Chavez is the fair haired boy to the destitute that were held down so long.
If democracy is good for us, why not the poor who were freed by Chevez?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 05:34 AM

From: GUEST,A regular
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 04:31 AM

'I doubt if die hard Obama supporters would be even phased..they are sorta suicidal, and proud of it!'
You can call a sheep a dog, but that will not make it bark.

The garbage being promulgated by his enemies about Obama is just that: garbage

IF you watched the debates, Obama was having a hard time, clearing the record, of some of the attacks, convincingly. I support neither candidate fully, and see some positive in both,...just not enough, to convince me that they are honest, and trustworthy men. I think both have their problems in that area.
What about a sheep dog?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: GUEST,A regular
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 04:31 AM

'I doubt if die hard Obama supporters would be even phased..they are sorta suicidal, and proud of it!'

You can call a sheep a dog, but that will not make it bark.



The garbage being promulgated by his enemies about Obama is just that: garbage. However, on a positive note his enemies have honoured him because it's easy to see that they perceive him to be a serious threat. Supporting someone is not a win/lose issue. It is a matter of honour. Many things in life are matters of honour. One of those things is this election.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Stu
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 04:10 AM

"However, I think that the people who are killing the union organizers are also terrorists..."

The people killing union staff in Columbia are tolerated by these wonderful people.

It's the real thing!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 04:07 AM

Sawzaw, Pretty impressive stuff you posted! I doubt if die hard Obama supporters would be even phased..they are sorta suicidal, and proud of it!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 03:59 AM

Obama said in the debate that he doesn't support the free trade agreement with Columbia because they're killing union organizers in that country, who are trying to get better conditions for workers there. I can see how the FARC people might like that stance. However, I think that the people who are killing the union organizers are also terrorists, and they probably don't like Obama at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Barry Finn
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 01:55 AM

"The FARC Terrorists were hoping and expecting that Barack Obama would win the US elections in November because he was most aligned with the Colombian Marxist group."

If you've been listening to any overseas news you'd find that most of the world is hopig that Obama gets elected. Not just our enemies but our friends too. Says alot when that doesn't come up on the national screen doesn't it. You ought to get out more often, staying at home dulls the senses.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Barry Finn
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 01:44 AM

Saws, you should be as ashamed as MaSame for even going there-to Ayers. You got to be kidding. How low to their level you sink.

And if you think that there's something wrong with Chavez, you should live among the Venezeulan population, he's there by popular vote of the people, they love him, it's George Bush, Cheney & their kind that can't stand him, mmmmmmm wonder why? Oil, maybe??? It's no wonder the rich & elite want to kill him. It's the same the world over, open you eyes & mind.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Sawzaw
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 01:43 AM

CAPTURED FARC COMPUTERS NAME BARACK OBAMA (Updated)

Captured FARC documents name Obama

Dead terrorist Raul Reyes had information that FARC was meeting "gringos" about Obama.

The computers captured this past weekend by Colombian soldiers at the campsite of FARC #2 Raul Reyes contained loads of damning information on FARC sympathizers and allies.

The Colombians captured two FARC terrorist laptop computers at the terrorist camp. The Colombians discovered a treasure trove of information on the laptops including:

-- FARC connections with Ecuadorean president Rafael Correa
-- Records of $300 million offerings from Hugo Chavez
-- Thank you notes from Hugo Chavez dating back to 1992
-- Uranium purchasing records
-- Directions on how to make a Dirty Bomb

But, no one expected this---

The FARC Terrorists were hoping and expecting that Barack Obama would win the US elections in November because he was most aligned with the Colombian Marxist group.

This document was posted at Martha Colmenares (in Spanish) and Free Republic:

"6. Los gringos pedir�n cita con el ministro para solicitarle nos comunicara su inter�s en conversar estos temas. Dicen que el nuevo presidente de su pa�s ser� Obama y que ellos est�n interesados en sus compatriotas. Obama no apoyara Plan Colombia ni firma de TLC. Aqu� respondimos que nos interesan las relaciones con todos los gobiernos en igualdad de condiciones y que en el caso de Estados Unidos se requiere in pronunciamiento p�blico expresando su inter�s en conversar con las Farc dada su eterna guerra con nosotros.

Es todo, Abrazos, Ra�l."

(translated)
6. The gringos will ask for an appointment with the minister to solicit him to communicate to us his interest in discussing these topics. They say that the new president of their country will be Obama and that they are interested in your compatriots. Obama will not support "Plan Colombia" nor will he sign the TLC (Colombian Free Trade agreement). Here we responded that we are interested in relations with all governments in equality of conditions and that in the case of the US it is required a public pronouncement expressing their interest in talking with the FARC given their eternal war against us.
Hat Tip BG

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Amos
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 01:27 AM

Your visions, needless to say, are fragmentary hallucinations, Sawz. My Ayers is not Mr Obama, and they are not even particularly close. You have been duped and gulled into hating more than you need to.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Sawzaw
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 01:23 AM

Obama's Buddy, Bill Ayres

Caracas, Venezuela November 7, 2006


President Hugo Chavez, Vice-President Vicente Rangel, Ministers Moncada and Isturiz, invited guests,comrades. I’m honored and humbled to be here with you this morning. I bring greetings and support from your brothers and sisters throughout Northamerica. Welcome to the World Education Forum! Amamos la revolucion Bolivariana!

This is my fourth visit to Venezuela, each time at the invitation of my comrade and friend Luis Bonilla, a brilliant educator and inspiring fighter for justice. Luis has taught me a great deal about the Bolivarian Revolution and about the profound educational reforms underway here in Venezuela under the leadership of President Chavez. We share the belief that education is the motor-force of revolution, and I’ve come to appreciate Luis as a major asset in both the Venezuelan and the international struggleâ€"I look forward to seeing how he and all of you continue to overcome the failings of capitalist education as you seek to create something truly new and deeply humane. Thank you, Luis, for everything you’ve done.

I also thank my youngest son, Chesa Boudin, who is interpreting my talk this morning and whose book on the Bolivarian revolution has played an important part in countering the barrage of lies spread by the U.S. State Department and the corrupted Northamerican media.......
......Viva Mission Sucre!
Viva Presidente Chavez!
Viva La Revolucion Bolivariana!
Hasta La Victoria Siempre!


I believe this guy is not just a terrorist but a Communist to boot.

I can envision Mr Obama in Venezeula, calling people Comerade and shouting Viva Presidente Chavez! with his fist in the air.

And what has this Annenberg thing accomplished with the money poured into it besides glorify itself?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Barry Finn
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 09:03 PM

I agree that Captialism is fine when combined & balanced with Socialism but Captialism fails when it produces an empty air bubble. When it manufactures less & makes more, that bubble bursts & that is why we need to regulate & why Ronnie R wanted to deregulate. To deregulae those that produce nothing is to off set the labor of those that do produce. A company that trades in an inflated air bubble (ex: Enron) will evenually go burst/broke, as will a Street load of vendors that sell nothing back & forth on capatial that they don't own in the 1st place. The credit bubble finally couldn't float anymore but it's not because Capatialism wasn't working & it wasn't because Socialism was disappearing, it's because we/they choose to let the finanical industry manage itself, the foxes were put in charge of the chicken coop & instaed of producing eggs, poultry, chicken fertializer the foxes instead traded the goods produced for a feast & left behind only the chicken gas.

Now if anyone donesn't like the system & there's lot's to not like about it, go out & change it. The system allows for it's self to be changed. Either that or revolt, it does allow for that too. But to spit on it as a whole doesn't do anyone any good. If you want some changes now is as good a time as I've seen since the 60's to make that come about, unless MaCain & Payin gets elected. Now's the time to speak, now's the time to fight to get your civil & human rights that were lost back, now's the time to take it to the streets.
I did my fighting & it cost me dearly, I won't be in the front lines again but I will back a movement that fights for a better way of life for all that live here.
Opp's the debate, bye-byee

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 08:32 PM

I believe the quote is "Patriotism is the last refuge of despots"

That was for the last poster, before the other one, before the 6th one down, above the third one, in the other thread, right before the second to the last, that was referring to the second one, above the third from the middle, just before the ninth on to the left...and back again! Got that??

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: kendall
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 07:54 PM

"Humor is the opiate of the chronically melancholy"

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 07:44 PM

And here's what Obama needs to say tonight:

"Capitalism, as it has been practiced since Ronald Reagan was elected, has worked cross purpose with the long term viablility of oor country... It has left the middle class no longer able to afford the imports that used to be produced in America... The jobs that have been created have been lousy $7 an hour jobs selling imported stuff to one another... 82% od the wealth is now in the hands of only 5% of our population... You tell us to go shop but with what??? Our credit cards??? They are maxed... With our pay checks??? They are a joke...

Yes, this economic system has just failed the final exam... And failed it very badly... John McCain says that all we need to do is give even more to the upper 5%... Can you believe that???

No, my fellow Americans... Enough is enough... There is nothing left to give John McCain's frineds... They have it all allready... "

That's what Obama needs to tell the nation tonight...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 07:23 PM

My last post was not in response to anything said in the post directly above it. I crossposted with that poster when I made my post. My post was in response to things in the post directly before that one.

This business of not being allowed to quote the contents of posts creates a lot of confusion, I know, but there isn't anything I can do about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama is a socialist
From: Art Thieme
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 07:10 PM

Sigmund fraud!

Humor is the last refuge for the doomed!!

If ya don't have a sense o' humor, it isn't funny!
(the economy)


Art