BS: 2nd Ammendm't Remedies 4 the Left...

Subject: RE: BS: 2nd Ammendm't Remedies 4 the Left...
From: kendall
Date: 22 Aug 10 - 06:57 PM

Bobert, how about Paul Wellstone? was he assassinated?

Subject: RE: BS: 2nd Ammendm't Remedies 4 the Left...
From: Paul Burke
Date: 22 Aug 10 - 04:23 PM

Which wouldn't have done anything at all had the North not been a nightmare of oppression. The civil rights movement had infinitely more to do with housing and jobs than with "roots".

Read about Bernadette Devlin and Burntollet, which was where the Northern Irish state (different from the British occupation, left mostly to go their own way) showed that it wasn't going to allow American civil rights nonsense to spoil their little local hegemony.

Subject: RE: BS: 2nd Ammendm't Remedies 4 the Left...
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Aug 10 - 04:14 PM

Kennedy, intent on cementing his relations with Irish-Americans, formed the American Irish Foundation, with de Valera. He visited what purported to be the 'home' of the Kennedys. and emphasized his Irish ancestry.
Irish-Americans soon were sending money to Ireland, stirred to remember their roots, and supported the cause of Irish Catholics in the North. The money in part contributed to the strife which still has echos there.

Subject: RE: BS: 2nd Ammendm't Remedies 4 the Left...
From: Paul Burke
Date: 22 Aug 10 - 03:41 PM

partial cause of the rise of armed conflict in the north

Not to be too subtle about it,

bollocks.

Subject: RE: BS: 2nd Ammendm't Remedies 4 the Left...
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Aug 10 - 03:29 PM

Not coolaid mythology, but hard fact sour mash mint julep history.

The four actions by JFK I cited are history, not myth.
Some more-
His interference in Ireland may be blamed an a partial cause of the rise of armed conflict in the north.

He started 'big spender' government, with a $100 billion budget.

Subject: RE: BS: 2nd Ammendm't Remedies 4 the Left...
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Aug 10 - 02:48 PM

Now, that's some fine coolaide mytholgy, Q...

As for the worst presidents??? Polk, Lincoln, Hooover, Nixon, Reagan, Clinton and Bush II top my list...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 2nd Ammendm't Remedies 4 the Left...
From: Paul Burke
Date: 22 Aug 10 - 02:15 PM

"Bobert's philo-sophistry is so yesterday."

Well it is a trad site.

How could Shakespeare (not Shakespeare, but the one who wrote all the plays) have coped if the smoothsayer had to say, not just "Beware the Ides of March", but "Don't go near any grassy knolls, and mind that book repository while you're about it"?

As for the worst president, they've ALL been worse than each other, apart from John Milhouse Eisenhower.

Subject: RE: BS: 2nd Ammendm't Remedies 4 the Left...
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Aug 10 - 02:02 PM

Bobert's philo-sophistry is so yesterday.

J. F. Kennedy was more of a pop-star wonder* than a statesman.
His misguided efforts included sending help to the French colonial bosses in Vietnam, beginning the fiasco that blew up into a full scale war fought to no purpose. All the Vietnamese wanted was their independence.
His fight with liberalism in Latin America led to increasingly oppressive regimes in several countries and his mis-handling of Cuba was laughable. "Alliance for Progress" my ass.

He messed up in Iraq by supporting the overthrow of Kassim, who had deposed the corrupt monarchy- One would not be far wrong if one accused him of starting U. S. military involvement in Iraq.

He talked but did not act when Israel developed an atomic bomb, one of the actions that helped to destabilize the Middle Eastern governments and which eventually led to extremist Islamic policies.

I could add more about this, perhaps the worst president.

*pop star as a term is anachronistic here, but he was a precurser of Beetle hysteria.

Subject: RE: BS: 2nd Ammendm't Remedies 4 the Left...
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Aug 10 - 01:04 PM

Nah, John... I think we have 25% agreement... Malcolm's death, though robbin' US of a man who was on the cusp of becoming a mega-national leader for "all" of US on the left, I don't believe to be part of the right wing assasination conspiracy... That leaves John, Martin and Bobby who the right wing considered to be dangerous and were taken out as part of a rightwing conspiracy to try to stop the progressive movement... And it worked just like ***they*** drew it up on paper...

BTW, historians may never cut thru the layers of stories and mythology to finger the people who were part of this conspiracy but my suspisions are that these folks were well acqauinted with the Heritage Foundation, which BTW, had many former European Nazi sympathizers in its ranks...

The point is, howver, that these assasination had a chilling effect on the progressive/civilrights/antiwar movement...

The second point is that these assasinations were part os a straegy to reel in progressives and if it worked back then I think it woud have a very sobering effect on those people amoung US that are propagating hatred of groups of people based on ethnicity, racism and outright lies... Their agenda is clear... They hate the New Deal and they want to tear it down brick by brick... Then they will go after the civil rights act... Heck, they are allready talkin' about wanting to alter the 1st and 14th ammendments...

Yeah, take out the people who are the most public in propagating these attitudes and sunsequent anti-socail behaviors and I reckon that folks wouldn't think it's perfectly okay to take a gun to a ralley where a black president is to speak or to knowingly spread lies about his citizenship or religious beliefs...

For the life of me I can't see any other way that borish rednecks can be brought to think "cause 'n effect" as long as they are getting away with treasonous behavior...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 2nd Ammendm't Remedies 4 the Left...
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 22 Aug 10 - 11:21 AM

Well, Bobert, we now have about 50% agreement, King & X. Maybe when your meds kick in and your head clears (even if the clouds don't), we might come to full agreement. Good luck.

Subject: RE: BS: 2nd Ammendm't Remedies 4 the Left...
From: kendall
Date: 22 Aug 10 - 08:04 AM

Lincoln's masterful "Gettysburg Address," the text of innumerable Memorial Day observances, is often misconstrued as a patriotic hymn to war, yet Lincoln abhorred military might and the bloodshed of the Civil War. Years before his presidency he stated, "The ballot is stronger than the bullet," and "…Among freemen there can be no successful appeal from the ballot to the bullet, and …they who take such appeal are sure to lose their case and pay the cost." He also said, "…Military glory [is the] attractive rainbow that rises in showers of blood."

Subject: RE: BS: 2nd Ammendm't Remedies 4 the Left...
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Aug 10 - 09:14 PM

Have you another drink of coolaide, John... Of course the right isn't gonna fess up to jack!!! The own the friggin' country lock, stock and barrel and why should they...

We know very well what happenecd in the 60's... Ya'll can rewrite it as many different ways as you want but that's all it it is... Rewritin' complete mythology... I might buy into Malcolm's death but the others??? Pure bullshit that the ritght has had many years to sanitize and beautify... All lies!!! All complete mythology...

Can I prove it??? Of course, IO can't... That's how well that the right has covered their tracks... I mean, they own the government and they own the media so, hey...

..garbage in, garbage out and what you have parroted above is nuthin' but what you have been told to repeat... Like a parrot sayin' "Polly, want a cracker"... Nothin' more...

And for the record... The clouds will never, ever clear... Never!!!

Ya'll killed off our movement literally and it something that you and yers would never undersatand unless it was done to yer little ballgame... Then you'd be goin', "Geeze, we didn't realize that iof a select few of our folks were killed that it would have such an impact on our position...

I'd love for the right to understand this but they never will... Hey, ya'll own the ball so if ya'll want 4 strikes then ya'll will just change the rules... Just like ya'll have buried the truth and rewritten histroy...

Normal...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 2nd Ammendm't Remedies 4 the Left...
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 21 Aug 10 - 02:24 PM

Not to rain on your parade or your revisionist history--but

JFK was killed by a mentally deranged Communist wannabe.
RFK was killed by a Palestinean disgruntled with his target's views on Israel, and other perceived injustices he was angry about.
Malcolm X was killed by a couple of members of The Nation of Islam, a group X had formerly belonged to and renounced.

None of the above were killed by people of the right. Only MLK has that dubious, sad distinction.

The clouds having cleared, you may now revise away.

Subject: RE: BS: 2nd Ammendm't Remedies 4 the Left...
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Aug 10 - 08:42 AM

Well, that is very true, Blue-J, but it might do to the right what their bullets did to the left in ending theior 30 year run of controlling the conversation... Yeah, I'd love to see them come clean and quit all the lieing and anti-socail bully behavior... Yeah, the right talks about "personal responsibility" and then does everything in it's power to bully and decieve...

That ain't having to be responsible for ones behavior... They haven't had to pay any price at all...

Time for a change...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 2nd Ammendm't Remedies 4 the Left...
From: BlueJay
Date: 21 Aug 10 - 04:09 AM

If you assasinated Beck, Limbaugh, Coulter, McCain, Boehner, Palin and the rest, combined they all wouldn't add up to the effect of the assasination of a single MLK or JFK. In a way, the right wing has a numerical advantage! Go Team!

Subject: RE: BS: 2nd Ammendm't Remedies 4 the Left...
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 20 Aug 10 - 07:04 PM

"which X people you needed to take out in order to stop a movement"

.... and that long haired muso with the glasses? :-)

Subject: RE: BS: 2nd Ammendm't Remedies 4 the Left...
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Aug 10 - 09:36 PM

Nothin' twisted here, Q-ball... I mean, it doesn't have to be s smokin' gun Perry Mason thing... Reality is that thess folks were killed and, inspite of 40 years of rewrites, there really isn't too much motives with any of them... Oh yeah, I've read the rewrite and revisions of the rewrites and and revisions of the revisons of the rewrites but bottom line??? It's all bullshit... Hey, I was there... Ain't like I'm readin' it in some sanitized history book... We all know who werte poppin' the corks when these folks went down... I mean, if you were to take yerself back to the 60s and ask yerself just which 4 people you needed to take out in order to stop a movement it would be: Malcolm, John, Bobby and Martin... Hmmmmm? ain't that some coincident???

Not...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 2nd Ammendm't Remedies 4 the Left...
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Aug 10 - 09:30 PM

My father, being a horse breeder and trainer, often drove a matched team. Very impressive. I think Palin and Coulter would fit right in. snort, whinny, eeee haw, eee haw, eee haw...

Seriously, I don't think in those terms, Bobert, and I prefer not to. Those 60s were hard to live through.

Subject: RE: BS: 2nd Ammendm't Remedies 4 the Left...
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Aug 10 - 09:30 PM

She's not worth a bullet, mouse... I think Miss Annie just needs to be kidnapped and be made to work pickin' crops in California... I think about a week of that and Miss Annie would be a flamin' progressive... With a bod, I might add...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: 2nd Ammendm't Remedies 4 the Left...
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Aug 10 - 09:28 PM

Bobert, your twisted history doesn't help.

Subject: RE: BS: 2nd Ammendm't Remedies 4 the Left...
From: mousethief
Date: 19 Aug 10 - 09:25 PM

You forgot Ann Coulter, the Queen of Hate.

Subject: BS: 2nd Ammendm't Remedies 4 the Left...
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Aug 10 - 09:13 PM

Frankly, I'm getting just a little tired of the right wing thinkin' that it owns the 2nd Ammendment and that it owns all the guns... And I'm gettin' ever sicker of them threatening to use them, i.'e. to kill liberals and progressives so...

... I for one have this to say to the right wing... I own guns and I can shoot as fast and straight as you can so quit with yer school yard bullyin' crap... Ya'll is punks in my book...

But the larger picture is this... In the 60's the progressive movement was snuffed out with four bullets: Malcolm was taken for beginning to talk about everything as a class struggle... John was taken out because he represented hope... Bobby was taken out because he went up against the military industrialists and Martine was taken out because he was the best the left had... He was everything...

Now I wonder... If the left were to do what the right says it has this "right" to do with 2nd Ammendment remedies and take out the top of the right's control center who would be the ones that would be taken out much like the right took out our folks in the 60s...

Me??? Glen Beck goes first... Sarah Palin goes second... Newt Gingrich goes third and John Beohner goes last... That, in essence would be what the right did to our side in the 60s...

Now the question arrises: "Am I advocating this?"... No, I am not but with assholes going around armed where the president is speakin' with signs that say that its perfectly okee dokee to kill off people than if they can do that and get away with it then I think it is my Constitutional right to post this as well...

No, I, unlike the jerk with the gun at the Obama ralley, I am not advocating this ... I am, however, trying to get folks to think that the the right does not have this "Get-outta-jail" card in offin' folks it doesn't like...

B~