BS: I Love this Idea

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Mar 16 - 02:13 PM

Yes they do.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Mar 16 - 01:30 PM

A way out of a black hole is not a new notion either.

Really? Who says?

Neutrinos do it

They certainly do not! Nothing does.

(According to present understanding)

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 22 Mar 16 - 01:11 PM

Yes it does

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Mar 16 - 01:02 PM

No it doesn't.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 22 Mar 16 - 11:45 AM

No. That isn't argument, that's contradiction.

The Cleese principle upholds.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Mar 16 - 11:39 AM

Yes it is, no it isn't
Now look I came here for an argument.
no you didn't
an argument is not an automatic nay saying...

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Mar 16 - 11:35 AM

I already gave a possible explanation based on multiple equilibrium zones and critical mass. Of course ignore and repeat, but that has been done before. A way out of a black hole is not a new notion either. Neutrinos do it and that is what can expand due to several factors.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 22 Mar 16 - 11:31 AM

An improvement.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Mar 16 - 10:47 AM

I swear to Einstein and   a dice playing God that rebounding stars of the gravity well type exist,

No they do not.
A rebound occurs in some supernovae, but that is the birth of a black hole (or neutron star) not the end of one.

in the works of current respected cosmologists
Names and quotes?

Large black holes do not explode. Matter can not escape.
They can "evaporate" through Hawking radiation, but only disappear in a puff of radiation when very small.

According to present understanding, that is. (OK Musket?)

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Mar 16 - 08:54 AM

Predictions have to be based on existing knowledge. The people who make such leaps be it a Jules Verne or Albert Einstein do admit they saw a validity not based on facts alone but as though knowledge was captured in the wind.

I swear to Einstein and   a dice playing God that rebounding stars of the gravity well type exist, not only in the works of current respected cosmologists but in the minds of followers of the standard model followers. I can source my material and authors. Other predictions I can not. A slow glow of a bound in time rebounding star as it rebounds? We may see one in our lifetime or not. They are here, they are queer but rebounding dark stars are nothing to fear. When it fits it fits, even when you have to take the sleeves in or tailor the waist. Get used to knowing this and you will be on the cutting edge of cosmology, the queen of science.

Personally I like the theory of a missing unseen dimension of space that balances the space time with which we are familiar. It helps me to understand 3 mysteries at the same time. But how to test is the problem. Clever minds, not mine, are required.




Gfs said better than a hundred posts of mine how an invested tenured scientist is sometimes a one trick pony. We are all creatures of perspective but when you sometimes take multiple perspectives into account we can assemble a whole from the parts that is different and possibly correct.

"Intuition as well as observation is valued in science. Great discoveries in science have come from following hunches or making a "bold leap of faith," as Einstein did at the beginning of our century when he reached beyond the built-up body of evidence then at hand by means of intuition. Flashes of insight, dreams, or hunches are usually allowed in science because they can be tested" etc

Even if cut and pasted it goes to the heart of the matter and could not have been better considered.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 22 Mar 16 - 07:50 AM

Oh fuck. We are back to Gen Melchard...

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Mar 16 - 07:47 AM

Steve,
Second part, from your postings on this forum I'd say you fall well short on both counts.

On WW1 history no-one found a historian with different views.
You will not find anything wrong with my physics either.
You are just making baseless assertions again Steve.
(or are you going to justify this time?)

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Mar 16 - 07:09 AM

Intuition as well as observation is valued in science. Great discoveries in science have come from following hunches or making a "bold leap of faith," as Einstein did at the beginning of our century when he reached beyond the built-up body of evidence then at hand by means of intuition. Flashes of insight, dreams, or hunches are usually allowed in science because they can be tested. Most scientists are pragmatic at times and will on occasion seize upon a formula or a new discovery and begin to apply it according to the unwritten law "If it works use it. Never mind why. We'll figure that out later."

All scientific theories are built upon assumptions, as mentioned above. These foundational premises ought to be reexamined every once and awhile---since many times in the past tall palaces of speculation have been built on questionable and unproven assumptions. Scientific "advances" are built on the pioneering work of those who have gone before. If the pioneers made mistakes, or were short-sighted, their errors can easily be perpetuated for several generations. After a generation or two, the current scientific workers in a given field usually have "forgotten" or not taken the trouble to find out what assumptions went into the original work. Some have not bothered to ask whether or not the data base has changed or checked to see if the original assumptions are now suspect or erroneous. The problem is, yesterday's speculation becomes today's scientific dogma in many instances.

No tenured professor drawing a comfortable salary and enjoying a maturing successful career is likely to be objective---or even very rational---if a newcomer to his field questions the evidence and finds the professor's whole theory must be thrown out the window in the light of new evidence. Yet this process happens all the time, silently, as one generation fades away, new "authorities" come to power, and better theories take the place of the "primitive" notions that were held as absolutes in the previous generation. One has only to compare college science text books of today with those published a decade or two ago to see how quickly science changes its models, buries its mistakes, and quickly popularizes new theories as if they were well-established immutable facts.

    "Science is the only self-correcting human institution, but it is also a process that progresses only by showing itself to be wrong."--Astronomer Allan Sandage.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Mar 16 - 06:57 AM

"No-one thinks I am a leading astrophysicist or historian! My knowledge is just the present understanding of physicists and historians."

First part, correct. Second part, from your postings on this forum I'd say you fall well short on both counts.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Mar 16 - 06:53 AM

Musket,
Like I said Keith, start your posts with "according to present understanding" rather than "Hawking said it only the other day" and you might be less readily dismissed.

That goes without saying Musket.
No-one thinks I am a leading astrophysicist or historian! My knowledge is just the present understanding of physicists and historians.
As it changes, I will follow the new understanding.
Who are you to "dismiss" and "laugh" at the present understanding of Hawking and his fellow theorists, or historians?

Donuel's stuff is not "according to present understanding."
It is just his beliefs.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 22 Mar 16 - 06:25 AM

That's it! I'm out of my depth. Spot on analysis Goofus.

When I was receiving a bit of training in mental health matters, the prof always told us never to encourage irrationality. When addressing Napoleon, you ask Fred how he is feeling, you never ask Mr Bonaparte how Josephine is getting on. You can't enter their world, you'd be out of your depth.

All coming back to me now 😎

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Mar 16 - 06:13 AM

Musket: "I'll leave "selective reality" to Goofus's imagination."

'Selective reality"....is a result of being either too blocked by biased opinion...or just 'plain too lazy' to be imaginative, to even ask the right questions.....

....and the spout off about the 'results' of 'scientific process'...and settle for not asking 'Why'?

....or maybe you're just out of your depth.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 22 Mar 16 - 06:11 AM

"So, are you going to be selective, in your 'realities', ..."

There appears to be only one "reality" ... and rather a lot of spurious, fictional ones.

" ... or are we a bunch of random collection of molecules, that for no purpose, or no force behind it, somehow clung together, ..."

Well, almost - apart from the "random" bit.

" 'Faith', in your context, is a mass fraud delusion for the purpose of giving people some common denominator, in which their behavior can be controlled...and and 'tithe' for the 'privilege' to 'participate'....something that creates, 'guilt' to overcome, ..."

Something like that.

"...and if you couldn't follow it....well, I never claimed to be great at 'fixing stupid'!!"

I don't think that I'm stupid because I struggle to follow a lot of incoherent tosh!

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 22 Mar 16 - 05:54 AM

Like I said Keith, start your posts with "according to present understanding" rather than "Hawking said it only the other day" and you might be less readily dismissed. Oh, and one of the most used words in his speech engine? "Apparently." One of the most used ready phrases? "It would appear.."

I still want a pint of what Donuel is on. His world is far less predictable, possibly more fun too. Mind you, Goofus could easily sing "Come inside, you silly bugger, come inside." I'll leave "selective reality" to Goofus's imagination.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 22 Mar 16 - 05:47 AM

Some magical way, my response post to Steve's last post that read, "...Next!" got deleted......so let's fix it and make it clear," ...as he rolled his eyes, he exhaled, ...."Next".

Musket: "Science is about exploring reality and joining the dots, not some faith based nonsense."

Right! So, are you going to be selective, in your 'realities', or maybe consider that Light, Life, Consciousness, whether individual, collective, or a matter of 'sending and receiving' should not be explored?...how about the very life energy that animates the cells, from which we are made of, ignored??....Love, that creates purpose..not worth to understand??...explore??.....or how and why they may be working together, to give existence to everything that we perceive to exist???....or are we a bunch of random collection of molecules, that for no purpose, or no force behind it, somehow clung together, and made chaos????...(which would be ironic, because 'chaos' is not a unifying element)....is it??

..and according to you, none of this can fit the realm of being included, for 'research', because of some sort of 'mental selective blockage', that you erroneously label as, 'faith based'... 'Faith', in your context, is a mass fraud delusion for the purpose of giving people some common denominator, in which their behavior can be controlled...and and 'tithe' for the 'privilege' to 'participate'....something that creates, 'guilt' to overcome, and 'get free' from, so you get to claim membership to some sort of 'liberated hipness', and then, improvise some sort of 'excuse/logic'..., to appease your carnal perceptions...which might, in fact, be a little 'out of balance'..and inconsistent with how the structure actually works, as a whole.

...Perhaps if that IS researched, you find a marriage of the two...and a greater understanding of both...and the filling in of a lotta gaps....maybe even raising the awareness of what we REALLY have access to...maybe even re-define our own existence, and utilize powers and abilities never even imagined....but they are/were, right in front of our noses, the whole time......Gosh, might even re-define what we think we need to live....and what if ya' found out that you didn't even need your body, to be alive......but instead, life and consciousness some how joined together, and when it did, it looked 'human'??....What if you discovered that instead of being the 'all significant "ME"....we were just one cell, in a much larger organism??...joined by bonds, yet undefined...??

Absolutely none of that can possibly be.....because of your biases keeps you 'small-minded'....on your road to being obsolete??????

If you could follow all that, in a positive mind, then 'God Bless You!!'.....

...and if you couldn't follow it....well, I never claimed to be great at 'fixing stupid'!!

Worth looking into...like in a 'scientific way'...asking questions, never thought to be asked, before.

....worth getting answers!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 22 Mar 16 - 05:06 AM

"Any lasting spirituality comes from an experience..that cannot be taught, other than what the experience shows you...now, if you want to talk about 'religion', that's a whole different animal. Dogma comes through 'drilling in', but 'Love' comes from within, and melds with the one in the same, without. It is a union...sorta like an embrace of a conscious living force...things open up...but as I told you a couple of years ago, you have to ask for it honestly, and sincerely...NOT imagining the answer you'll get....and if you get nothing, then blow it off.....but, don't close off, raising the bar, to suit YOUR definition of what the answer has to look like. Be open...be open to a conscious, actual entity of 'Love'."

Aaaahhh! Spirituality! Another of those specious qualities, like (religious) faith, which, when mentioned (or piously intoned in a hushed whisper) is supposed to make me bow my head, look all solemn and shuffle my feet, whilst making the mentioner appear to be all wise and sagacious. Instead, these days, I tend to think, "what a load of bollocks!"

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Mar 16 - 04:35 AM

I follow the latest developments in astrophysics, and Hawking lectured on black holes just a few weeks ago on R4.

I do not know where Donuel finds this stuff or if he makes it up himself, but it does not come from the scientists working in the field.
See if you can find it Musket.

"According to our present understanding.." Donuel's physics is tosh.


a rebounding black hole star.

No such thing. When a stellar core collapses, the outer shells fall on to it and rebound but it is the core that becomes a white dwarf, neutron star or black hole depending on the mass.

The explosion of a black hole he describes in detail has never been observed.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 22 Mar 16 - 03:34 AM

If Keith began his last contribution with something along the lines of "According to our present understanding.." instead of some certainty that theoretical physics has somehow "got there" I might stop laughing at his "believe in science" stance.

Science is about exploring reality and joining the dots, not some faith based nonsense.

If you are going to amaze us with flights of fancy, at least do it in style like Donuel. I want a pint of what he's on.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Mar 16 - 08:08 PM

Heheh...

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Mar 16 - 07:57 PM

First of all, Steve, though you claim not to read my posts, you just showed otherwise...so much for your words meaning ANYTHING!

Second, you claim to be 'Mr. Science'...but a scientist looks at ALL known possibilities before arriving at a conclusion, which, because of your 'rigid and dogmatic' approach, left over from your resentment toward anything that suggests a 'God', you CAN'T do that...which means your entire ' scientific thesis' is FLAWED!!
I got a better idea, (see title of thread), why don't you explore more possibilities beyond your limited view of what you think 'reality is, before you make such ridiculous edicts about physics, evolution, genetics, 'religions' and/or 'politics'. You're a fraud...but the worst thing is that you've defrauded yourself...and then try to belittle those who don't agree with your flawed, by emotional limitation, synopsis.
So, for a better idea....get over it will ya'. Your concepts of 'God' 'Love' and 'reality' are severely incomplete!
Time to do your homework!Fair enough????

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Mar 16 - 02:04 PM

note: not all Black stars will explode
Even rebounding dark stars that will explode will not be entirely destroyed but will re collapse.

consult with Steven
Hawking he might agree.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Mar 16 - 01:46 PM

Is he the baby or   the bathwater ?
I think you are differently wired too. You just need time to evolve.
The dark side may not be what you thought it was.






Keith consider new information before you knee your jerk. (poor jerk)

The dear old queen at..er the queer old Dean at Oxford has confirmed the findings of the dual zones of equilibrium that exist inside a black hole and the possible growth of a black hole that can destabilize said dense star inside a gravity well.

The slow motion explosion of a black hole doesn't start at the core of a rebounding black hole star. Two layers inward there is a zone where the outer mass of a BHS is equal to mass at its core.

(There is no actual singularity since neutrinos do not compress any more beyond a point.)

The other internal zone of equilibrium is the on between mass and centrifugal force.

hen a Black Hole star reaches a critical size it starts to want to expand.

Its expansion begins closer to the event horizon than the core.
Time is moving virtually at a stand still relative to us.

The slow explosions acts more lie a corkscrew pulling from the outside
and not pressure at the core. As the slow motion explosion of the extreme super massive black hole expands at these equilibrium zones grows eventually over billions of years the rebounding former black hole will glow.

The explosion will appear like concentric rings of light. Sometimes the appearance of spokes of a wheel will appear. The concentric circle explosion occurs as a result of the opposing push and pulls between the equilibrium zones and pulls from the core.

It is a beautiful sight 7 billion light years. At half a billion years the event is double the size of our full moon and is a awesome cosmic sight.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Mar 16 - 12:52 PM

Steave
Stev
Stve
Eteve
Stove
Stave (typos for Steve)


Bill
Eric
George
Doreen
Elsie
Madonna
Bono
Greg (not typos for Steve)

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Mar 16 - 12:33 PM

Ooops, typo

STEVE: "ve never read such farraginous nonsense in my life, Guffers. Back I go to not reading your posts, I suppose. *Sigh*"

My, what a Catholic point of view!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Mar 16 - 12:32 PM

Greg: "ve never read such farraginous nonsense in my life, Guffers. Back I go to not reading your posts, I suppose. *Sigh*"

My, what a Catholic point of view!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Mar 16 - 06:35 AM

I've never read such farraginous nonsense in my life, Guffers. Back I go to not reading your posts, I suppose. *Sigh*

"Farraginous" - Merriam-Webster's Word Of The Day this morning. Never did a word come in so useful so quickly. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Mar 16 - 03:49 AM

Donuel,
a black hole is just a critically large rebounding star that will eventually explode in a colossal bang second only to a big bang type explosion.

No it is not, and if by "explode" you mean matter blasted out through the event horizon, that can not happen.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 21 Mar 16 - 02:27 AM

"Love? I thought you didn't believe in God?"

Some say good old Goofus... Just when you thought the thread was starting to settle into a debate worth getting into.

Love isn't about some abstract or other, it's about Kate Bush, Mrs Musket and pickled eggs. Ok, the Kate Bush bit may be unrequited but there again, this god character can't exactly show his love back, can he? Too busy organising plane and coach crashes, starving out polar bears and causing my daffodils to come out before Christmas. My garden is as confused as a Liverpool fan when they win.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Mar 16 - 11:45 PM

Steve: "What I said In the deleted post was that I don't like to be characterised as a bitter ex-Catholic."

Well, you might 'not like it'..but it rings out, loud and clear.

Steve: " when I've said, time and time again, that my Catholic upbringing, unlike that of many other people, was relatively benign."

Benign?? Enough for you to have an immense 'emotional focus'..by the way, you might look that up, and read it with an open(if possible) mind.
The problem with those who suffer from 'emotional focus' is they really close off to wider possibilities, and you may find it rather limiting.
BTW, I'm not attacking you...if anything, I'm trying to free you, to a degree, of a self--limiting frame of a self-closing in...NOT good for creativity!

Steve: " I also said that anyone who really loves their kids would not send them to a school which was going to stuff their minds with a pack of lies."

They're not...they are looking for a better education...as far as what you term 'lies', I don't think useful spirituality comes from 'indoctrination', whether it be Catholic, Protestant, Buddhist, or any one of a million that could come to mind. Any lasting spirituality comes from an experience..that cannot be taught, other than what the experience shows you...now, if you want to talk about 'religion', that's a whole different animal. Dogma comes through 'drilling in', but 'Love' comes from within, and melds with the one in the same, without. It is a union...sorta like an embrace of a conscious living force...things open up...but as I told you a couple of years ago, you have to ask for it honestly, and sincerely...NOT imagining the answer you'll get....and if you get nothing, then blow it off.....but, don't close off, raising the bar, to suit YOUR definition of what the answer has to look like. Be open...be open to a conscious, actual entity of 'Love'.
Oh, BTW, it might not be a 'pleasant' awakening...but once it happens, you won't be able to forget it!!.....so, be thankful.

Steve: "That's abuse, not love."

LOVE???..... How would you know??..I thought you didn't believe in God.

Hey, I hope the doors blow wide open for ya'!!.....the rest will make sense....understanding of the 'laws of physics' get wider...and you will be able to discern faith from fable, a LOT better, than throwing out the baby with the bathwater!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Mar 16 - 05:27 PM

What I said In the deleted post was that I don't like to be characterised as a bitter ex-Catholic by some cloth-eared eejit when I've said, time and time again, that my Catholic upbringing, unlike that of many other people, was relatively benign. I also said that anyone who really loves their kids would not send them to a school which was going to stuff their minds with a pack of lies. That's abuse, not love. And if this is seen as a deletion-worthy remark, I should like to know from whichever moderator friend of mine is at the helm why they think so, when this thread is replete with insanity inanity and a bunch of insulting idiocies from a Guest with multiple identities that are not being deleted. Thank you. And please don't tell me that you didn't delete it. I saw it up here in the thread before I went shopping.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 20 Mar 16 - 04:06 PM

I was replying to the starry linked exulted one with seven stars on his McDonalds badge.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 20 Mar 16 - 03:53 PM

Straws and grasping notions spring to mind.

I don't know if God exists but only in the same way I don't know if hobbits exist. I'm willing to complain if some nutter goes round telling impressionable children they do though..

What certainly does exist is my impersonation of Jesus on a rubber cross. Folk clubs between now and Easter around here will be given witness level evidence too.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Mar 16 - 03:52 PM

Ooohhh......huffy, them's strong words eh, b'y

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Mar 16 - 03:45 PM

Well let me correct myself. How about "praying, in effect, to the 99.9999999%-certain non-existent." There, that should fix it. And, mods, when I rail against some clot who accuses me, insultingly, of being "huffy," you leave his post there and delete mine. Is Insanity your uncle? Pathetic!

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars link
Date: 20 Mar 16 - 03:33 PM

In one post Steve says he has said 8 or more times that he don't know whether God exists, and then a few posts down rails against catholic schools "praying to the non existent" ! Seems he adapts depending on which particular hobby horse he wants to ride.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Mar 16 - 02:24 PM

Well, there are other factors that the SAT's....check the link which I put up...it is the page with multiples of links.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Mar 16 - 01:25 PM

Colleges have radically downgraded the weight they give SAT'a
An essay could put the sat in the shade.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Mar 16 - 12:55 PM

Steve, Here, look it up yourself..and take your pick!

GfS

P.S. I'm sure you'll not believe it and dismiss it..because one thing that your upbringing in Catholicism, in which you still resent, has left you with, is the exact same mindset!..For instance, when someone 'does you an 'injustice' (and I'm not disputing that!), and you carry that in you, and can't get over it, it's called 'emotional focus' (in the psyche sciences)..and though you might reject the people that 'did it to you'..BECAUSE you keep a focus on the 'perceived wrongs' you WILL end up being just like them!..True story!....Now the Catholics are no doubt, 'rigid and dogmatic' (another psyche term)..and though you reject their teachings, what damage that is left you, and you focus in on that, has left YOU rigid and dogmatic!! .....and just as closed-off mentally as they are...so much so, that your inner being is probably even more Catholic, that Joe Offer, whom you criticize, for being Catholic!!...and what I just laid down for you, is NOT particularly coming from a 'religious' standpoint, but straight psychology....you know, science, that you come off as putting your beliefs in...when it suits your explanations, and excuses for your attitudes toward others who don't believe, or disbelieve, as you do!!
Very Catholic mindset, wouldn't you say??
Now, instead of getting all huffy, as a re-action, take a moment and reflect on what I just laid out for you...it is accurate..and didn't cost you a penny....or 'tithe'...just a little bit of inward looking honesty.

Fair enough?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Penny S.
Date: 20 Mar 16 - 12:41 PM

The school where I used to teach regularly received children transferred from the local RC school. They usually had some sort of problem. Usually behavioural. We managed to educate them successfully.

The RC school had very good SATs results.

It wasn't the only school, to be fair, where the distribution of results wasn't normal.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Mar 16 - 12:24 PM

Kudos to Carl Sagan for his literary triumph Contact.

His inclusion of the intrusive and even the terroristic religiocentric characters who feel a duty to distract or attack scientific discovery was a touch of genius. It is Another case of art portraying life of those who believe they are exclusively the high priest protectors of sanity.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Mar 16 - 12:10 PM

SAT scores are highly rigged. As for religious schools being better, let's have your stats please. And shall we consider not just exam results, eh? Shall we have a crack at value-added? Your comments amount to received wisdom. Anyone who really loves their kids would never send them to a school that is going to tell them a pack of lies and make them say prayers to the non-existent. That's not love, that's child abuse done with a cosy smile on its face.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Mar 16 - 10:17 AM

Steve Shaw: "I note that Joe Offer is so happy with his uncertainty that he cheerfully defends sending children to Catholic schools where they will have their minds stuffed with doctrine that is completely innocent of uncertainty."

Joe probably loves his kids, and sending them to a Catholic school, because the education, in those schools, spits in the milk of public schools!

The dogmatic stuff can be worked out, as the kids grow older, and depending on their spiritual experience that they may have along life's way.....

..and that's a fact! The parochial schools systems are FAR better academically than the politically based and controlled, 'baby sitter mentality' schools....and SAT test scores bear this out!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Mar 16 - 09:50 AM

Ah great wizard of Muldroney   , spirit of the forward slice of the loaf of time may you regale us of 200 years hence via the entangled transmitter in MORSE CODE OR BINAY WHICH EVER YOU PREFER.


AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT

When old Dude said there are no black holes he was absolutely right.
(btw Dan, it is safe to enter now) When you simply look at all the different kinds and sizes of collapsing exploding rebounding stars a black hole is just a critically large rebounding star that will eventually explode in a colossal bang second only to a big bang type explosion.

The fact we have only "heard "one of these go off is because long ago there were many fewer black holes than today.

Right this second thousands of black holes are in the process of exploding but their mass has curved spacetime t the point time stopped to the point when one of our seconds equals 10 billion years to the exploding rebounding star that s in a gravity hole from our perspective.

We have seen stars collapse as their nuclear fuel runs out and at its core only a neutron star exists. some collapse into a magnet state or magnatar. Some just collapse to a white or brown dwarf. But stars many tines the size of our sun burn out their mass collapses into a gravity well we call a black hole. It can continue to grow and will explode again but time moves so slow as to be stopped at its core.


I assure you the super neutron like star now composed of neutrinos packed solid eventually will rebound and explode, but man may have evolved into a cyber entity or not exist at all in a future so distant.


Hawking says "black holes" will evaporate and then make a small explosion.

I say it will explode but in such slow motion it will be a miraculous sight to behold. Stopped at first and grow more rapid over hundreds of years.



The holy question is what would an explosion of that magnitude expel?
elements, hydrogen, big bang components of different energies?
creation or cataclysm?

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 20 Mar 16 - 08:24 AM

Err.. Yeah. Right on

I hope for you that the tv remote of gritty deserts and windswept calm transmogrify into blueish hued virtue bushes with bumpy bits above their crankshafts of atrophy.

I think.

I could be wrong.

I've been eating cheese before sleeping again.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Mar 16 - 07:46 AM

I see more sun rises theses days.

I suppose Joe would erupt in flames. God's will?

Musk kit, The things I helped create I hope you will never need, but if you do, may you make up your own mind like a horse being led to water.