BS: deleting thread - ok.. no big deal..but

Subject: RE: BS: deleting thread - ok.. no big deal..but
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Apr 18 - 06:48 AM

Dave,
Ignore the troll. I have already stated why the thread was closed.

Come off it Dave.
No-one would contact a mod and ask for a thread to be closed just because of thread drift.
I am shocked that you found a mod who would accommodate you.

You just did not like the views being expressed, but had no reply
so you got the thread shut down instead.

Subject: RE: BS: deleting thread - ok.. no big deal..but
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Apr 18 - 06:03 AM

I think that it is absolutely valid for a member of this forum to privately ask a moderator to look at a thread with a view to closing it down. I think I might have done that twice (maybe three times, my memory gets dimmer...). As far as I can make out there are just three moderators here, who have a massive job overseeing the plethora of threads above and below the line. I don't get on well with a couple of them but they all have my sympathy and I can't blame them for sometimes not visiting the hate-fest threads very often. So I can't see anything wrong with drawing their attention every now and then, my personal criterion for that not being thread drift per se (though threads that drift from something else into antisemitism are doomed) but when they turn into open day for terminal personal nastiness. As I'm sure Dave will agree, (and considering that I've recently been excoriated for "getting the Gaza thread closed"), it's unfair to accuse ordinary forum members of closing threads. We actually have no say. The mods have a job to do in maintaining at least a minimum level of civil ethos and we could help. You're not a cry-baby or a loser for doing that. Refusing to engage with vexatious posters whose motive is anything other than proper discussion is a good start. A bit more humour thrown in can also help to defuse situations. But then we're up against that notorious American sense of humour... ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: deleting thread - ok.. no big deal..but
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Apr 18 - 06:02 AM

Sorry posted before I'd finished
If BNP trolls can be ejected, why not those who continue to carry their message
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: deleting thread - ok.. no big deal..but
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Apr 18 - 06:00 AM

Not going to argue with you Dave other than to point out that Keith's invented Lanbour antisemitism had become an established part of the Russian thread long before you closed it.
I feel that ignoring people like Keith hasn't worked - neither has my combative behaviour towards him - he has no self-respect, is immune to both argument and insult
When somebody as extreme as him continues to use this forum for some of the most extreme ideas I have ever encountered, rather thah punishing us all by closing threads - he needs to be warned officially and if that does no good, be ejected -
He accuses us of being extremists - what sick **** defends an appalling act towards legal immigrants carried out bt a government who has been forced to apologies for those act half a dozen times - talk about being right-of-right
This forum is full of good, intelligent people who it is possible to disagree with without having "liar", "extremist", "Jew-Hater"... and all the other shit that is used to stifle humanity
It is not the threads that need to be removed but the posters who use them as platforms for hate
Some of the views expressed by Keith and a few others have contravened British laws - mainly under the "incitement to hatred" guidlines
If I contravene the rules of this forum I expect to be reprimanded and ejected
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: deleting thread - ok.. no big deal..but
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Apr 18 - 05:19 AM

I did not ignore any thread drift, Jim. Thread drift caused the thread closure. I did ignore Keith and I suggest that you and any other sane person does the same. It is the only way to treat his nonsense.

Subject: RE: BS: deleting thread - ok.. no big deal..but
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Apr 18 - 05:18 AM

Jim - let K**** have it - he deserves it..

I for many years respect you more than most other mudcatters, and have learned so much from you...

A problem is though, that you can sometimes come over like a wind up bulldozer in a china shop..

..and a small hardcore of far less respected folks know how to effectively wind you up all too easily,
which inevitably & predictably ends in closed down threads...

Subject: RE: BS: deleting thread - ok.. no big deal..but
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Apr 18 - 05:12 AM

"When someone tries to hijack a thread I am involved with, I just refuse to engage with the inruding issue."
Keith
You introduced so called Labourt Antisemitsm to this thread - if that is not "hijacking" it my Jack's a kipper
Your hypocrisy, dishonesty and bigoted harte of everything that is not British, white and (your twisted concept of) Christian has helped turn this forum into the battle ground it has become
You have made this forum a platform for your hate and intolerance and you have the nerve to expect to "win" something for your appalling, inhuman bahaviour"
I quite often disagree with people on this forum, but few sicken me as you do.
I am saddened that Dave chose to close the other thread the way he did yet chose to ignore your thread-drift

Subject: RE: BS: deleting thread - ok.. no big deal..but
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Apr 18 - 05:04 AM

..and as soon as I talked of him.. he was made to dissapear... spooky...!!!???

Subject: RE: BS: deleting thread - ok.. no big deal..but
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Apr 18 - 05:03 AM

Ignore the troll. I have already stated why the thread was closed.

Subject: RE: BS: deleting thread - ok.. no big deal..but
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Apr 18 - 05:02 AM

The thread was about Boris Johnson and the Salisbury poisoning debacle. I have no idea how it came to be discussing Israel and antisemitism. That is not a logical extension of the same argument. I am all for taking arguments to their logical conclusions but not for completely derailing them to suit an entirely different agenda.

If you disagree, fine, that is your prerogative. I can accept that it is not your view. But it is mine and it was a thread I started so I am sure you will allow me my voice as well.

Subject: RE: BS: deleting thread - ok.. no big deal..but
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Apr 18 - 05:01 AM

..blimey... talk of the devil...


btw ...I'm very surprised this cheeky little late night thread is still alive...
but if it can serve any positive purpose...

Subject: RE: BS: deleting thread - ok.. no big deal..but
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Apr 18 - 04:59 AM

I just think there's an anti pasties and pies subtext here...

what next.. rissoles and faggots...!!!???

bloody upper middle classes and their poncy posh snacks.. worse than the Russians...



btw.. don't go Jim.. we need you...

[but ideally a tadge more self restrained under provocation from him we dare not name & cronies...]

Subject: RE: BS: deleting thread - ok.. no big deal..but
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Apr 18 - 04:58 AM

When someone tries to hijack a thread I am involved with, I just refuse to engage with the inruding issue.
I do not believe Dave wanted it closed because of thread creep. He wanted it closed because it was not going his way.
He and his friends had just been shown to be wrong about something they have been saying for years while heaping abuse on anyone who disagreed.
Boo hoo for them.

Subject: RE: BS: deleting thread - ok.. no big deal..but
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Apr 18 - 04:31 AM

"It is right to discuss these things Jim but why hijack someone else's thread in order to do so? "
If you believe that it is part of the argument it is not hijacking it, it is extending it
I am truely saddened if you believe that is what I do
I have often threatened to ask that a thread be closed - I never actually hade done so
I'm sorry that others have, especially those I respect
I'm off
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: deleting thread - ok.. no big deal..but
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Apr 18 - 03:57 AM

It is right to discuss these things Jim but why hijack someone else's thread in order to do so? I did not ask for it to be closed because of any nastiness, although there was plenty, but because that was simply the wrong thread to do it on. I started the thread and, as far as I am concerned, I have a say in the direction it takes. As I suggested, if you want to discuss Israel, start a thread on Israel. If anyone wants to discuss antisemitism, they can start a thread on antisemitism. If I start a thread on anything it is like inviting people to my party and if that party gets too wild, I will call the cops!

Subject: RE: BS: deleting thread - ok.. no big deal..but
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Apr 18 - 03:20 AM

If we can't take arguments to what we believe their logical directions, I'm gone from here - I see no point in hanging around
I'm saddened that Dave (of all people) chose to close the thread
I don't like the nastiness of some of the arguments we have become involved in, but on the other hand, anodyne back-slapping sessions are really not my thing
I have always read and considered what others have to say and have offered detailed argument when I was able - I have become thoroughly sickened at the dishonest, and often deeply personally insulting bhehavior of some who appear to want only to home with gold cup under their arm rather than exchange information - we've seen the long scoops of insulting behavior of posters incapable of posting intelligently - offering only bullying and extremely childish abuse -
Life really is too short
Sadly
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: deleting thread - ok.. no big deal..but
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Apr 18 - 03:07 AM

They were removed to finish the thread at a logical point without leaving any new points hanging.

Subject: RE: BS: deleting thread - ok.. no big deal..but
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Apr 18 - 02:55 AM

I guess I got it figured out that you were talking about the Russia thread, PFR. I didn't close the thread and I rarely do, but that one has been looking ripe for closure for a number of days. Once a thread gets taken over by a small group, nobody else feels welcome there.
If we have too many threads like that, nobody feels welcome here at all. So, there has to be some sort of balance.
There's a moderator note at the end of the thread that says that the thread originator asked that it be closed. Don't know why the last three messages were deleted.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: deleting thread - ok.. no big deal..but
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Apr 18 - 12:25 AM

00ps..

i meant to type "closing a thread".. it's late...
not that any of this really matters...

Subject: BS: deleting thread - ok.. no big deal..but
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 27 Apr 18 - 12:21 AM

.. but why delete the last 3 posts..

that just seems a bit randomly petty...???

Just how unacceptably politically dynamite is a reference to pies and pasties...!!!!!?????

Something has touched a raw nerve with a militant health diet freak...?????