BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: Thompson
Date: 27 Aug 24 - 02:28 AM

Helen, you actually get less fumey air when you're cycling than you do in a car - in a car, the grille sucks in the fumes that hang at car level and generously distributes them inside the vehicle. So all those parents driving their children to school are poisoning them; which is unsurprising given that car fumes are credited with 4 million new child asthma cases per year.
My point on the driver's behaviour is simply that you're supposed to approach a junction at correct speed and with caution.

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Aug 24 - 06:11 PM

Fairy nuff

So you were neither "yanking anyones chain" nor really suggesting that "Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK"?

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 25 Aug 24 - 05:54 PM

Tonight's rant - someone locally deciding that quart to eleven at night is a good time for home fireworks. If I was a pet owner I would probably be spitting blood.

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 25 Aug 24 - 05:51 PM

Neither, just three idiot cyclists getting under my skin last week and feeling stressed out by what happened whe I got home.

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Aug 24 - 11:41 AM

So, which is it SPB? Winding people up or a genuine hatred of cyclists?

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Aug 24 - 03:23 AM

perhaps singing shanties should be made illegal in the UK,
SPB was a shanty singer, so perhaps he need to feel the effects of favourite pastimes being banned

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Aug 24 - 03:08 AM

I don't think SPB was "yanking the chain". He does not seem to be a troll. I think, as I said before, he was just wound up about it and made a very poor argument.

Can you enlighten us please SPB-cooperaror?

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 22 Aug 24 - 11:54 AM

The nose flute seems a bit excessive. the heavy hand of government.

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: Helen
Date: 22 Aug 24 - 05:17 AM

Yes Doug, you are probably right.

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 Aug 24 - 05:16 AM

I think you might be right, Doug, but it makes for an interesting discussion, and gives us all a rest from talking about T***p!

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 22 Aug 24 - 04:52 AM

I suspect that is the most likely scenario.

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.... but it is still possible that ....

Who needs evidence?

I agree with The Sandman's post of 20 Aug 24 - 03:33 AM. The OP was most likely just yanking a chain and will be highly amused as the endless discussion continues.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Aug 24 - 04:00 AM

yes we do not know, but it is still possible that the car driver did not check her blind spot .
SPB is as far as i know, not a qualified driver so whether he was looking out to see her blind spot we do not know.. on the information given by SPB , it would be ridiculous to ban cyclists

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: Helen
Date: 22 Aug 24 - 03:41 AM

BWM, I suspect that is the most likely scenario. If the cyclists jumped a red light then the car driver probably had a green light, and therefore had right of way.

If you all want to have some heart attacks in your comfy chairs, watch those dashcam videos because jumping red lights is really common and very dangerous.

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 Aug 24 - 03:37 AM

”When the person giving me a lift turned right she came within inches of colliding with three cyclists without lights who jumped a red light."

“I have read what has been posted, presumably the car also jumped a red light”

There are other assumptions which can be made…

It’s just as likely, the car driver was turning right on a green right-turn filter-light, and the cyclists were on the other side of the road and should have been held by the red light on their side, which they recklessly decided to crash.

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Aug 24 - 03:28 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: The Sandman - PM
Date: 19 Aug 24 - 05:19 AM

cycling is good exercise and good for the health[unless you get run over ,by a car jumping a traffic light]

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Aug 24 - 03:24 AM

I have read what has been posted, presumably the car also jumped a red light

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: Rain Dog
Date: 22 Aug 24 - 03:06 AM

It does help if you read what has been posted.

"When the person giving me a lift turned right she came within inches of colliding with three cyclists without lights who jumped a red light."

The phrase "three cyclists without lights who jumped a red light" does stand out.

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Aug 24 - 02:32 AM

I know SPB, I dont think he has passed a driving test,
so I reserve judgement on his judgement of the skill of the driver in this case, it is possible that these cyclists were in the car drivers blind spot, and that the driver did not check over the right shoulder, before turning right

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 Aug 24 - 01:40 AM

For the ‘Murricans in our midst, ‘pavement’ (UK) = ‘sidewalk’ (US). ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 Aug 24 - 01:37 AM

There are good cyclists and there are bad cyclists, just as there are good drivers and there are bad drivers. I believe that, in the cases of both cyclists and drivers, the good dramatically outnumber the bad. But sadly, it’s the results of the behaviour of the bad in both categories that are most easily observed and therefore draw the most attention.

My personal grouse concerns those f***in’ e-scooters which are used un-licensed, un-insured, and therefore illegally - not to mention frequently recklessly - on our urban roads and pavements. I heard on the BBC News recently that in the most recent year for which records are available, e-scooters were involved in over 1,300 reported accidents which resulted in 9 deaths. If anything needs ‘banning’, it’s those hateful things.

But, without adequate policing, I don’t see the behaviours of bad drivers, bad cyclists, or bad e-scooterists changing any time soon.

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: Helen
Date: 21 Aug 24 - 08:21 PM

Thanks gillymor. Either that or I'm fully sick - whatever that really means. :-D

I think car drivers are more of a problem than cyclists, most of the time. Just look at the dashcam video sites for some hairy/scary examples. I have footage from last week of some dangerous driving which I could upload and it is truly hair-raising.

I don't think we should throw the baby out with the bathwater. Cycling is healthy (assuming the air pollution from nearby vehicles isn't too much for the rider to breathe), and it is good for the climate. The majority of cyclists I have seen on the roads are good road-citizens, but a small minority do stupid things. If drivers and cyclists interact peacefully and cooperatively, all's good with the world. There is more danger for cyclists from cars than the other way around.

I saw the aftermath of one fatal accident where a cyclist died. The news report said that he had been riding in the cycle lane, in the dark before sunrise on a major non-metropolitan road with a speed limit of 80 kph (50 mph). That particular piece of road does not have a good level of street lighting. He was doing the right thing - apart from riding in the dark - but a piece of wood had been possibly thrown off the back of a truck and it was in the middle of the cycle lane, perpendicular to the cyclist's direction of travel. It was not visible to the cyclist in the dark and his front wheel pitched forward, he landed face first on the tarred road and apparently died immediately.

Personally, I would not be riding at speed in the dark, with minimal street lighting on a major road with high speed levels. Those type of MAMILS are an endangered species, but the majority seem to do okay.

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: gillymor
Date: 21 Aug 24 - 07:12 PM

uh...that's "injury and death" inflicted on cyclists by motorists.

I just saw your joke, Helen. You rock! (I think that's what the kids say)

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: gillymor
Date: 21 Aug 24 - 07:07 PM

Hey, I said that a couple of days ago but it didn't get any traction :-).
Thompson makes a good point, I can't comment on the driving skills of the person in the OP but too many drivers around here don't have much respect for cyclists and consequently we have a fair amount of injury and death.

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: Helen
Date: 21 Aug 24 - 07:03 PM

So no-one got my Van Halen joke?

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Aug 24 - 06:54 PM

Yep. Ban private cars - best option all round. Buses to and from every street every 15 minutes. Taxis for those in a hurry. Good intercity trains. I'd give up my car tomorrow if it happened.

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 Aug 24 - 04:53 PM

I agree .

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: Thompson
Date: 21 Aug 24 - 04:32 PM

Personally I'd make driving illegal. Life is better when it's lived in the open, not shut inside cars.

Just had a harrowing lift home from WLTUC tonight. When the person giving me a lift turned right she came within inches of colliding with three cyclists without lights who jumped a red light. It was down to the skill of the driver that this didn't turn into a major tragedy.

This doesn't sound like good driving to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: Helen
Date: 21 Aug 24 - 01:10 PM

SPB said, "Just a coincidence, Halen, it seems that proverbial happens in August!!!"

I guess if I owned a Van I would Go Ahead And Jump.

The questions are, what is in this discussion which wasn't covered in the few weeks of discussion in the last thread, and wouldn't the discussion in this thread logically belong in the last one?

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 21 Aug 24 - 06:42 AM

Just a coincidence, Halen, it seems that proverbial happens in August!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 Aug 24 - 03:54 AM

Yes but first before they kill them they have to sing Lord Randall whilst playing a nose flute

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 Aug 24 - 08:24 PM

If we put a bounty on cyclists Remember ! Its not cyclists that kill.
Its responsible members of the community armed with light machine guns, they would put a stop to all this.

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: Helen
Date: 20 Aug 24 - 07:42 PM

Is this topic an annual event for you SPB?

BS: Bleeping Cyclist

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 20 Aug 24 - 01:04 PM

> he would not have given us feet

Once upon a time, in the bar at Uni, one of the group showed us his new hand-stitched sandals, which used old car-tyre tread for sole and heel because of its hard-wearing properties. Then someone noted there was less than 3mm of tread, which would make it illegal for him to cross the road. Discussion ensued on whether he might get arrested for being drunk in charge of feet, and banned from walking for three months.

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Aug 24 - 12:46 PM

On yer bike!

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 20 Aug 24 - 12:03 PM

can I go now?

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 20 Aug 24 - 12:01 PM

If god had meant us to ride/drive he would not have given us feet and bus passes.

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 20 Aug 24 - 11:59 AM

In the mean time, Dave, do not let me keep you from your congregational church of "Bicycle Repair Man"

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: Rain Dog
Date: 20 Aug 24 - 11:59 AM

Four wheels good, 2 wheels baaaaaaaad?

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 20 Aug 24 - 11:57 AM

ok England then.   I am not very likely to go on a day trip to Scotland or Wales anyway. At the moment I am restricted to the TFL network and mainline trains within the TFL boundary zones as I only have a 60+ Oyster, but even that is enough for me not to need to own a car in London.

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Aug 24 - 09:59 AM

No! I demand my right to worship the great Cog by wearing lycra and riding two abreast. Your petty red light rules infringe on my right to practice my religion as I see fit :-D

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: The Sandman
Date: 20 Aug 24 - 09:55 AM

SPB you cannot use your free bus pass anywhere but england take heed of the words of Tebbitt YOU MAY need to get on your bike when you want to go to Wales.OR Scotland or northern ireland

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 20 Aug 24 - 09:47 AM

SPB: Also now that I have free use of public transport in London and next year free bus travel across the UK,

Where do you get that 'free use'?
The pass for pensioners living in England only gives free travel on buses in England. Similarly the Welsh pass only applies to Wales.
You may be a little disappointed when you get your pass (assuming that it is age related)

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 20 Aug 24 - 09:27 AM

anyway I've had my rant on Sunday, and this could become a very long thread on rights vs liberties and social contract which might be an interesting subject for a more philosophical discussion, shall we jest agree that this thread should just now be laid to rest?

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 20 Aug 24 - 09:23 AM

article 18 protects us from having religious (beliefs) imposed on us.

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Aug 24 - 08:45 AM

Yes, everyone does have the right to believe what they want. They do not have the right to inflict that belief on others or ban beliefs that do not concur with theirs.

My religion is cycling. All hail the great cog in the sky.

See, I can be just as daft as you when I put my mind to it :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 20 Aug 24 - 08:20 AM

UDHR: Article 18: Everyone has the freedom to think or believe what they want, including the right to religious belief. We have the right to change our beliefs or religion at any time, and the right to publicly or privately practise our chosen religion, alone or with others.

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Aug 24 - 08:05 AM

Thomas Hamilton killec 16 children and a teacher with a gun. I don't recall anyone doing anything similar with a bike.

What this seems to boil down to, SPB, is a poor choice of words. We seem to agree on many things, including politics and the fact that some cyclists are idiots. I admire your passion when it comes to politics but in this case you have spoiled your case by letting a heartfelt but ridiculous argument affect your credibility.

There is no logic whatdover in saying that cycling MUST (your caps) be made illegal. Come up with something sensible instead. I can start you off with making sure that bikes have a visible registration mark, like cars, so that the owner can be traced when caught breaking the law on camera.

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Aug 24 - 07:27 AM

Cycling is done by choice.

Believing in your own particulat invisible friend is a choice.

There is no difference. Apart from Cycling has killed far fewer people than religion.

I am not conflating anything.

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 20 Aug 24 - 07:06 AM

On that basis the same arguments should have been made against the restrictions of ownership of firearms in the UK following the actions of a single person: Thomas Hamilton.

You seem to be conflating humans rights (the right to follow and practice one's faith, right to safety and asylum) which are universal, and liberties which are based on what is acceptable as part of the right to be part of a society. Many liberties have been withdrawn e.g. owning slaves, foxhunting with dogs, smoking in public places, other liberties have been removed due to rights taking precedence: eg, employment discrimination.

Cycling is not a right, it is a liberty and cannot be conflated with removing ones right to ones faith and as such society reserves the right to deny liberties if it is for the grater good of society. The only argument is whether removing a liberty is fair or unfair, and that is down to (a) our elected parliaments to decide and (b) whether the electorate would vote for a parliament that is committed to making that decision.

Subject: RE: BS: Cycling MUST be made illegal in UK
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 20 Aug 24 - 06:54 AM

I repeat, there is no cycling community.