BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST,Keith A
Date: 09 May 05 - 12:36 PM

Oh yes, and predjudice does still exist in the US and every other country, but every citizen is fully enfranchised and it is illegal to discriminate.

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST,Keith A
Date: 09 May 05 - 12:33 PM

The Empire was gone by the 70s
We did sing old rebel songs.
Have you not seen the old news footage of ranks of State Troopers facing the Civil Rights protesters?

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST,William Gates
Date: 09 May 05 - 12:05 PM

He could always try a de bugger

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST
Date: 09 May 05 - 12:03 PM

That's great, Keith.

Now we know how to bugger your system up at work

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: Tiocfaidh
Date: 09 May 05 - 10:12 AM

Tell your browser to recognise 'Civil Rights'

Then tell your government

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 May 05 - 09:41 AM

I can not read recent replies here at work because someone must have used some rude words and the system rejects the whole lot.

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: Tiocfaidh
Date: 09 May 05 - 09:36 AM

Which has bugger all to do with any robbery.

Did you ever sing Irish Civil Rights songs in your folk clubs, Keith?, or was Civil Rights something that other cultures demanded.

I laugh away to myself at the idea that the English always supported the 'underdog'... like the cause of the black South Africans, for example.

The British Empire was based on some of that milk of human kindness, Keith.
Would you agree?

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 May 05 - 09:29 AM

Den,
before the Civil Rights movement we did not know. As I have said, we used to sing all the US Civil Rights songs in the folk clubs, and it came as a shock that the same cause was being argued in part of our country.

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: Den
Date: 07 May 05 - 08:27 PM

Come on Keith we're talking about an army of occupation murdering innocents which is far, far removed from the situation in the US. Do you really, truely believe that the civil rights movement has prevailed in the US?

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: podman
Date: 07 May 05 - 07:51 PM

A braw brave paen to all ye sons of Erin:

The Gaelic Song Lyrics
by
The Arrogant Worms


Through the ages, through war, pestilence and sleet, the Celtic culture has survived, it's songs and dances passed from father to son, from mother to daughter, from uncle to goat. And though few still speak Gaelic, the ancient language of the Celts, all hearts are still stirred by the beautiful tones of this mellifluous tongue.

Ah ma wee hach patew mae bo clee hach maneagh
Heow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow BARK meow
Saigh hough loo loo cheow dach hagh vreigh chouach mouheaugh
Douauh meah mae couchah moo ma meagh pach hooragh

And though other cultures tried to destroy them, driven no doubt by their jealousy of the Celts' fine fashion sense and edible cuisine, they did not surrender. Actually, they surrendered quite often, but they were never entirely wiped out, clinging to the corners of small islands, their voices raised in song, the clarion call of the pipes ringing out to the heavens.

(Undescribably beautiful penny-whistle solo)

Ah ma wee hach patew mae bo clee hach maneagh
Heow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow BARK meow
Saigh hough loo loo cheow dach hagh vreigh chouach mouheaugh
Douauh meah mae couchah moo ma meagh pach hooragh

Ah ma wee hach patew mae bo clee hach maneagh
Heow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow BARK meow
Saigh hough loo loo cheow dach hagh vreigh chouach mouheaugh
Douauh meah mae couchah moo ma meagh pach hooragh
Meach bo meah mea bloh meah hoo noo euach moo doo beah

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST,Tír Eoghain
Date: 07 May 05 - 06:46 PM

"Now your northern nigger's a Negro
You see he's got his dignity
Down here we're too ignorant to realize
That the North has set the nigger free

Yes he's free to be put in a cage
In Harlem in New York City
And he's free to be put in a cage on the South-Side of Chicago
And the West-Side
And he's free to be put in a cage in Hough in Cleveland
And he's free to be put in a cage in East St. Louis
And he's free to be put in a cage in Fillmore in San Francisco
And he's free to be put in a cage in Roxbury in Boston
They're gatherin' 'em up from miles around
Keepin' the niggers down"

That kind of Civil rights, Keith?

.... Rednecks, Randy Newman

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST
Date: 07 May 05 - 04:36 PM

We never rolled over and played dead Keith. Perhaps you should have lobbied your govt to act a bit quicker eh?

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 May 05 - 04:19 PM

The US Civil Rights protesters were also attacked and fired upon.
They continued their dignified, peaceful protests and achieved all their aims, while Republicans in Ireland still wait 30 plus years later.
Would US Civil Rights have been advanced more quickly if they started back shooting young GIs, National Guardsmen and Police Officers, and planting bombs in shopping malls?

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST
Date: 06 May 05 - 04:26 PM

Dear guest 2.50pm will you please deter from muddying their rose tinted view of everything british. It confuses them.

They have truth bafflers fitted to their ears which deflect all fact . It is a little known private operation that has distinct side effects. One being they start to talk through their collective arses.


We have some sensitive souls here who still believe the Irish are savages that needed saving, and boy were they the ones to save us.

Sorry chaps. You never enhanced our beautiful country and we can't wait to see the backs of you. But please come back in the summer and boost the tourist trade now.

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST
Date: 06 May 05 - 02:50 PM

Kieth A said, "And I remember that everyone on the mainland sympathised with and supported the NI Civil Rights movement. A couple of years, months even, and public opinion would have forced the changes you are now anticipating.
But then came the bombs."

But the first bombs were British, i.e. the UVF. The first killings were by the British, the RUC and the B-Specials. Or perhaps acts of violecnce don't count if they were carried out by British forces.

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: The Curator
Date: 06 May 05 - 01:41 PM

Jimmy, every time Sinn Fein made gain within the last few years there were forces working against them, Stormont spying raid, Castlereagh barracks raid and the Northern Bank robbery (no one ever charged with any of them) but it created enough stink and for Unionists to say it was the movement. Each of these occured within days of a sucess. And as ard said about the charges to be brought against a man for Omagh, that was the day before the election! Dirty tricks branch, we seen it all before, it failed then and will fail again. Martin just won his seat a few minutes ago.

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST,Jimmy C
Date: 06 May 05 - 01:25 PM

"But getting back to the Bank riad, I believe that this operation was too sophisticated for even the P.I.R.A. My money would be on the possibility that it was the S.A.S."

I LOVE DAVID IKE AND HAVE 2 PILLS FOR BREAKFAST FOLLOWED BY A PROPER LUNCH

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: The Curator
Date: 06 May 05 - 01:12 PM

In 1969 Catholics got off their knees and the result has been the electoral sucess that we are watching unfold now. Gerry Adams vote is up again in West Belfast dispite the churned out propaganda against the party in recent months. As I have always stated on this site, before you run of at the mouth about the Northern Bank robbery what proof have you besides the words of parties who fear the sucess of S.F. and a police force who has the worst record of any European Police force in the courts of human justice/rights. The D.U.P/Third Force are going well too, Paul Berry said he is well up ! and wants a rub down. Sammy Wilson said it's like a bare buff nature walk ! ( You will need to be from North of Ireland to understand this).

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: Den
Date: 06 May 05 - 11:44 AM

Kieth A said, "And I remember that everyone on the mainland sympathised with and supported the NI Civil Rights movement. A couple of years, months even, and public opinion would have forced the changes you are now anticipating.
But then came the bombs."

Wrong Keith then came Bloody Sunday. That changed everything. I know. I was there. There was little or no support for the IRA at that time but when British Paratroopers assassinated 14 innocent people at that now infamous Civil Rights rally things changed for ever. The IRA's numbers swelled.

As far British public oppinion of the nationalists cause in N. Ireland I think Guest May 5, 10:00 am is closer to the mark in terms of empathy, just another Paddy right Guest.

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST,Rat
Date: 06 May 05 - 11:34 AM

Nurse get the medication!!!

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST
Date: 06 May 05 - 11:21 AM

Some brits are unbelievable. If your country had been occupied by a foreign army and your people persecuted for centuries, not only would you be having red, white and blue street parties to celebrate the end of the occupation, but you would be singing twenty verse songs about the whole debacle for the next few centuries.

And you would also justify any means used to achieve that end, martyr those who died defending your country and decorate the living.

Get over yourselves. Move on. Empire builders sometimes have to watch the bulldozers move in and put right what you have spent so much money, life and time trying to destroy.

Meanwhile we will gloat for the next few centuries. Sounds fair to me.

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST,CrazyEddie
Date: 06 May 05 - 09:05 AM

Keith A, there may be an element of truth in your comment:
"And I remember that everyone on the mainland sympathised with and supported the NI Civil Rights movement. A couple of years, months even, and public opinion would have forced the changes you are now anticipating".

But how come public opinion didn't force those changes anytime during the long years between the 1920s & the 1970s?

The fact remains, that successive British Governments for over fifty years, were well aware that discrimination & jerrymandering were rife in NI, and they did nothing about it.

Having said that, this in no way excuses murder or terroriosm by any group, which is something I condemn without exception.

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 06 May 05 - 04:07 AM

This is a nasty little thread, but 200 is 200. Eat my shorts Terry!

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 06 May 05 - 04:06 AM

199

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: The Curator
Date: 05 May 05 - 05:58 PM

Sorry the above post is from me. This is the second time today my name hasn't come up, Someone must know I will be posting our election wins shortly !

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST
Date: 05 May 05 - 05:53 PM

Sorry but if you are to enter a post it is always wise to either know your facts or at least look them up. Robert Gerard Sands died whilst on hunger strike on the 5th May 1981.

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST
Date: 05 May 05 - 10:05 AM

Bobby Sands - Irish slimmer of the year 1972.

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 05 May 05 - 06:36 AM

Hasn`t anyone noticed the timing of this man being charged for the Omagh bombing, the day before the Election, how cunning of the powers that be, and it won`t make the slightest difference to the Sinn Fein vote, they will become the strongest nationalist party after this Election.

Peter Corrigan the Solicitor for Sean Hoey, stated, " Absolutely no evidence has bee brought to date againsy Sean Hoey, the fact that the latest allegations has been leaked shows that it is a media stunt, Sean Hoey is a prine candidate for bail, he has never been convicted of any offence, my client denies all charges put against him.".

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 May 05 - 05:57 AM

Tiocfaidh you write
As far as the average Brit wanting to 'wash their hands of Ireland'--, that wouldn't have happened without a successful Armed Struggle. Painful to admit, eric, but true nonetheless.

Whatever you think of British people, as a group they always support the underdog.
I remember the boycott of appartheid S Africa, refusing to play sports with them and ejecting them from the commonwealth. I remember how Rhodesia was forced to declare independance fro us because we would not tolerate their regime.
I remember the universal support here for the US Civil Rights movement.
And I remember that everyone on the mainland sympathised with and supported the NI Civil Rights movement. A couple of years, months even, and public opinion would have forced the changes you are now anticipating.
But then came the bombs.
I still remember those scenes of the bus station. A fireman using a shovel on a bloody mess with long blonde hair. A wave of revulsion swept the country and set your cause back 30 years.

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: The Curator
Date: 05 May 05 - 05:52 AM

The above post is from me, but for some reason my name didn't come up.

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST
Date: 05 May 05 - 05:49 AM

Is a charge automatic guilt ? Ask those innocent Irish men and women who lay in English prisons throughout the seventies and eighties. Also those mothers who were released within the past few years for killing their own children. I would advise we wait until the trail displays the evidence at hand before we pass the guilty verdict.

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 May 05 - 03:17 AM

I see that a suspect has been charged with 29 murders, by planting a bomb in Omagh.
It is years since the massacre (victims including Spanish schoolchildren on an exchange visit, and unborn twins) and the police and many people inside and out of the Republican movement knew well who the killers were.
He had already been convicted on a lesser charge, but advances in forensic science now allow the murder charge to be brought.

I mention this because some contributors persist in citing lack of charges as evidence of innocence.

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: The Curator
Date: 24 Apr 05 - 04:23 PM

Is this the same David Trimble who called the Catholic people of Portadown DOGS in 1995 ? I wonder did he regret going on stage with short ass from Dublin ?

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 24 Apr 05 - 05:35 AM

Den, Trimble will disappear after he loses out to to DUP candidate David Simpson in the Election on May 5th.

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: Den
Date: 23 Apr 05 - 06:57 PM

Misleading tripe. U2 glorifying the IRA. Would that be the U2 with the lead singer Bono who during a concert in the Waterfront in Belfast trotted John Hume and David Trimble out on stage raising thier arms in salute and declaring them the architects of peace. Now really what does this wee man from Dublin really know about the north of Ireland. John Hume I can see but Trimble, an architect of peace. Trimble who stood on a stage at Drumcree and was photographed shaking the hand of Billy Wright the loyalist hitman. The same Trimble that danced arm in arm with Paisley down the Garvaghy road when the parades commission caved-in to loyalist demands and allowed them to march against the will of the local residents. Some architect of peace. Now Belfast, when it comes to racism I think the Germans know a thing or two. Wait a minute now there I go painting all the German people with the big brush. I think that statement qualifies me to write a magazine article.

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: belfast
Date: 23 Apr 05 - 09:32 AM

Maybe the article loses somethin in translation. Or perhaps the journalist should have worked harder on his bits of local colour. If you told anyone in Belfast that you were going for a meal in the Europa Restaurant you would receive a blank look. Enter the name on a search engine and you will only be guided back to the Der Spiegel article. There is, of course, the famous Europa Hotel whose bar is a fovourite hangout for ladies on the night and journalists - honest whores and dishonest whores, if you will excuse the phrase.

And does anyone imagine that the words which the loyalists screamed at
the schoolchildren of Ardoyne was "little Catholic tarts"? The phrase sounds almost endearing. Perhaps "little Catholic tarts" is one of the delicacies served in the Europa Restaurant.

All this is good knockabout fun and we shouldn't take this trash too seriously but look at this
bit.

It doesn't matter that the Protestant Ulster militias are criminals and drug dealers, that they assault Chinese immigrants, paint swastikas on walls and have managed to turn Belfast into the world's most racist city.

It doesn't matter?!? Let's ignore for a second that lazy, stupid, journalistic "world's most racist city". That is possibly the least offensive thing about that appalling sentence.And no doubt someone will say that I am taking the sentence out of context. Go and look at the context and explain to me some way to read that sentence in which it is not disgusting.

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: Jimmy C
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 05:20 PM

Just read the article, what a load of crap. For one thing there is no "catholic district in Belfast" there are several to be precise.

Also the slight insult that started the fight leading to the death in Magennis's bar was actually a patron whose wife had been insulted by McCartney and who himself ended up with a slash across the neck, put there by Mc Cartney and his companion ( a well known hood). The patron and his wife had left the bar and were on the way to the hospital when McCartney got into the second argument.

As far as the bank heist is concerned, it has now been quite some time since it occured and NO POSOITIVE PROOF has been produced. So far it has all been rumours and hearsay.

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: The Curator
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 04:56 PM

Waste of time ard explaining this to Wolfie, he is an authority on this and other subjects.

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 04:02 PM

And of course I should have added, to date, the Police are no further in producing any evidence regarding who was responsible for the robbery.

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 03:58 PM

Wolfgang, The reporters suggestion that that U2 supports the IRA, will certainly be viewed with incredulity by anyone from Ireland, the truth is, they are the IRAs biggest critics.

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: belfast
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 01:53 PM

That anyone can find that article a powerful piece of writing is a strange notion. I find it, for the most part, a careless and tired regurgitation of propaganda. But that is largely a matter of opinion. That anyone can believe every word of it seems more like a simple impossibility.

Consider this.

the aura of martyrdom surrounding "Bloody Sunday" is today, an aura the rock band U2 has used to permanently enshrine members of the IRA in the roles of victim and heroic resistance fighter

U2 as supporters of the IRA? This is not the view of an outsider. This is the view of someone from another planet.

Or this.

Sinn Fein does little to address these problems. It appears to have no interest in democratic rules. In parliament, it had opponents bugged

This is not merely untrue (I hesitate to call it a lie because of the possibility that the writer actually believes it) it is the opposite of the truth. It was the leaders of Sinn F�in whose offices etc. were bugged.

All in all a fairly average piece of journalism.

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 03 Mar 05 - 09:05 AM

Excellent! I agree with every word.

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Mar 05 - 02:56 PM

Thanks Wolfgang.
A powerful piece of writing.

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST,Wolfgang
Date: 02 Mar 05 - 09:05 AM

Sometimes an outside view may be interesting:

The Madness of Belfast (English translation of an article in the moderately left German magazine DER SPIEGEL)

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 08:14 PM

walsh?

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 08:00 PM

wrong accent. you lose.

Hey... I'm not Welsh !

;-)

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 07:58 PM

I hear that 'Hello' and 'OK' magazines have been outbid for exclusive rights to Charlie & Camilla's wedding... 'An Phoblacht' have offered £23m provided they get 2 clear shots....

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 07:57 PM

wrong accent. you lose.

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 07:52 PM

G'po ?

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Feb 05 - 07:44 PM

It couldn't have been them. They haven't the time. Too busy buying widescreen tv's. Jaysus where did they get the money. I have meself thinking now.
Here's one for you GPO.