BS: I need a good lawyer

Subject: RE: BS: I need a good lawyer
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 08:41 PM

She definetly had an Apple in the seventies.

I hate being crass about money, but this incident was one bash too many.

Subject: RE: BS: I need a good lawyer
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 08:37 PM

I never saw the date. I only knew they were as old as their first word processor.

Amos I sure hope so but Without the original documents I have no proof of their date.
I am afraid that once they were sold they no longer exist but I do not know.

For 8 years I had hoped our good fortune would be put to good use and now I have virtually nothing to show except a check that wouldn't buy a set of tires. I am depressed.

As for my father's estate, the caretaker managed to steal a 350K trust and the house.

Honestly it seems everyone is such a crook that my honest dollar is worth only 3 cents.

Subject: RE: BS: I need a good lawyer
From: bobad
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 08:30 PM

"Apple was founded on April 1, 1976 by Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniak and Ronald Wayne[11] (and later incorporated January 3, 1977[12] without Wayne, who sold his share of the company back to Jobs and Wozniak) to sell the Apple I personal computer kit. "

Wikipedia

1980: Apple Goes Public

In the largest IPO since Ford went public in 1956, Apple debuts on the stock market with a valuation of $1.8 billion. Of Apple's 1,000 employees, more than 40 became instant millionaires thanks to their stock options.

http://www.macworld.com/2006/03/features/30moments/index.php

Subject: RE: BS: I need a good lawyer
From: Amos
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 08:27 PM

You're right. You need a good lawyer.


Punitive damages added in.


A

Subject: RE: BS: I need a good lawyer
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 08:26 PM

...to avoid any confusion I told them to SEND ME THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS, that way I can acess their true worth after all the splits and not just let some bozo sell them at face value.



so what did they do, they sold them at face value (even less than face value).

I do not even know if the stocks exist anymore or if a photocopy was ever made.

They were in my Mothers name, not mine. It was wrong for NYS to sell them. It was wrong of NYS to sell them at the wrong value

and if they knew what they were doing and kept all but the face value check they sent me it is was criminal.

They must be making millions this way.

Subject: RE: BS: I need a good lawyer
From: Amos
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 08:22 PM

The first Mac was 1984. Apple stock had already been around for a while by then, though. If you are the sole heir, or the executor of your mother's estate, then it should be a piece of cake for a lawyer to right the matter with a single letter.

A

Subject: RE: BS: I need a good lawyer
From: Dave'sWife
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 08:19 PM

Donuel, I believe you are mistaken either about the stock or the date. Please see this reference:

Beginnings of Apple Computer

The company wasn't even formed until 1976. there is a link there to the full history which is much more detailed. if you have stocks dated 1972 - they cannot be Apple Computers.

I do hope you kept photocopies.

Subject: RE: BS: I need a good lawyer
From: artbrooks
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 08:18 PM

The first Apple computer came out in 1976.

Subject: RE: BS: I need a good lawyer
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 08:17 PM

Thanks Joe,

ITs Apple, I said Macintosh computer to clarify and not muddle.

When I say cash in I mean sell.

They were stocks and not bonds.

My mother bought the first offering right after they bought the first Macintosh word processor. NYS Comptroller office had the original stocks with the date on them.

I am not certain of the precise date since I was never shown the stocks. But I knew of their exixtence back in the seventies.

I am certain that the stock has split 4 times (Doubling each time) since it was first issued. For example if there were 5 stocks, after 4 splits there would be(10, 20 40...) 80!.

If NYS gave them to a broker to sell, they must have known the stock had doubled after each split. I don't know if they pocketed the money. All I know is that they sold them without permission after holding them 8 years

Subject: RE: BS: I need a good lawyer
From: Nickhere
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 08:13 PM

You sure do. Those rotten so-and-sos at the NYS seem to have robbed you thoroughly. If they owe you a lot of money, it should be no difficult matter to engage a good lawyer on the basis of a percentage of the repayments due to you. Apple have been doing REALLY well of late by the way, and I'd imagine your stocks ought to have been worth a lot.

BTW - I think a phrase or two are missing from your post:
"I called repeatedly to be sure the original documents would be sent to avoid...."

Subject: RE: BS: I need a good lawyer
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 08:04 PM

Well, maybe a financial advisor first, Donuel. I don't believe stocks have a "face value," and you can't really "cash" them - you sell them. Could they have been bonds?
Somehow, I think you have some information mixed up. NYS is New York State, I assume? Do you have photocopies of what you sent in?
I don't believe there ever was such a thing as "Apple MacIntosh Computer" stock. MacIntosh is a brand name of Apple Corporation, introduced sometime much later than 1972.
Was Apple in business in 1972? Was Steve Jobs out of diapers?
-Joe Offer-

Subject: BS: I need a good lawyer
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 07:48 PM

My mom left a fair number of 1972 Macintosh Apple computer stocks in a safe deposit box that was claimed by the NYS Comptroller after her death.

The stock had split 4 times to date.

I checked the box for the original documents to be sent to me. I completed all the paperwork But to cash them I would still have to apply to NYS to put them in my name.

I called repeatedly to be sure the original documents would be sent to avoid

The NYS State Comptroller illegally cashed them at face value and cut me a check for pennies instead of 5 figures.


I think I need a good lawyer.