BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay?

Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay?
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Jul 12 - 03:15 PM

Yo-Yo Bobert: "Some people may see it before others....this is why I didn't vote for him! ...not the Gitmo issue...he was an obvious bullshitter during his nomination campaign...and I said as much PLAINLY back then!
Now, what are we supposed to do, ignore the unfolding history in front of us and make stupid excuses, or call it as it is?? This has NOTHING to do with 'hate' 'racism' 'bigotry', the 'Tea People'..this just is what it is. 'Let reality be reality'...maybe even join in on the fun!!...it's THERE you can make a difference...not by nodding your head repeatedly, as in a stupor...eating over the sink, of course!!
Jeez, let your mind FULLY work.....( forefinger to perched lips: Shhhh....shhh.....its good focus when you're playing....artists and good players LIVE there!!

Regards.....and use it well, it will serve you rightly'

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay?
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Jul 12 - 11:22 AM

Yo, GfinS....

Gitmo wasn't the reason I voted for Obama... Nor was it even in the Top Ten reasons... And I suspect that most others who voted for him feel the same way...

Everyone knew that Gitmo would turn out to the slobber-knocker that it is...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay?
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 08 Jul 12 - 10:17 AM

It is sad that the USA decries poor human rights in Cuba while they use Cuban territory to violate human rights themselves.
Yes, the USA has a century old lease on Gitmo signed by a very corrupt Cuban government, but Cuba has every moral right to evict them except that the USA refuses to leave, and it has the bigger guns! Like a bad tenant in an apartment that threatens landlord and neighbours it has long outstayed its welcome! For all the good that the USA has done in this world its reputation has been sullied by pandering to Miami based Baptista deciples!

Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay?
From: artbrooks
Date: 08 Jul 12 - 09:39 AM

When Congress votes to deny the use of any Federal funds to move any prisoners anywhere or to take any other action to close the prison, just how is Mr. Obama supposed to close the prison? Oops - let's not let logic get in the way of a good rant.

Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay?
From: Sawzaw
Date: 08 Jul 12 - 09:04 AM

What the hell does what I want matter in relation to an unfulfilled campaign promise?

Does Jack want the prison closed?

Does he want Obama held accountable?

I want Obama held accountable.

Obama said "I want you to hold me accountable"

Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jul 12 - 02:21 AM

Joe Offer: "...and there has been no talk of closing the base."

Well not now....after he already duped those who voted for him, thinking that he would....along with a lot of other hot air!


GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Jul 12 - 02:19 AM

I'm still wondering why Sawzaw cares? Sawzaw did you want the based closed?

I thought you were on the other side of that issue.

Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Jul 12 - 12:17 AM

Well, the fiber optic cable isn't really a sign of whether the prison will stay or close. Guantanamo Bay is a fairly large U.S. naval base, and there has been no talk of closing the base.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay?
From: Sawzaw
Date: 07 Jul 12 - 11:42 PM

Facts are he said he was going to close it and he did not. He didn't say if I can. He said I will.

He had enough control of Congress to ram through stimulus and Obamacare. He just didn't do it. That is what you would call a Big Ass Lie.

And then there were all the Bush Haters screaming about him shreding the Constitution by violatin' Habeas Corpus and cryin' their eyes out about how he was a war criminal for detaining them. But when Obama continues doing the same thing he is doing the right thing and it is all someone else's fault.

BHO: "What I have also said is this: that when you suspend habeas corpus -- which has been a principle, dating before even our country, it's the foundation of Anglo-American law -- which says, very simply, if the government grabs you, then you have the right to at least ask, 'Why was I grabbed?' and say, 'Maybe you've got the wrong person.'

The reason you have that safeguard is because we don't always have the right person. We don't always catch the right person. We may think this is Mohammed the terrorist, it might be Mohammed the cab driver. You may think it's Barack the bomb thrower, but it might be Barack the guy running for president.

The reason that you have this principle is not to be soft on terrorism, it's because that's who we are [Thunderous applause] That's what we're protecting. Don't mock the Constitution! Don't make fun of it! Don't suggest that it's un-American to abide by what the founding fathers set up! It's worked pretty well for over 200 years! "


New York Post: "WASHINGTON — President Obama on Monday reversed his two-year-old order halting new military charges against detainees at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, permitting military trials to resume with revamped procedures but implicitly admitting the failure of his pledge to close the prison camp."

Bobert:"Yeah, I don't have much use fir Dems but this current crop of Repubs are especially corrupt in the way they are usurping powers and handing them over to the executive branch...

This suspenion of habeas corpus is a very troublesome threshho9ld to croos and won't make anyone any safer..."

Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Jul 12 - 11:26 PM

Bobert: "The Republican House won't approve one dime to move it...
End of story..."

Bobert: "Obama doesn't control the purse...
End of story no matter how much Sawz and TeaPub Nation want to pin this on Obama...
With the current system of government Jesus Christ Himself couldn't have closed Gitmo..."

Richard Bridge: "Because Teapubs are stupid and can't remember facts - and further do not know the difference between facts and propaganda."

Mark S: "The pity is that neither President Obama or any of his advisory team had the instinct, intuition, of forsight to know it."

Now. gullible children, shouldn't you be in the other thread??:

'BS: delusional american politics'

If you knew he had no power to close it..then why did you vote for him, if you knew he was a liar??..or as Richard put it, "Because Teapubs are stupid and can't remember facts - and further do not know the difference between facts and propaganda." ...only thing, maybe the Democrats have the same problem.....strike 'maybe'!!!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay?
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Jul 12 - 11:04 PM

It was also blocked by House Republicans who said they would not spend one red cent to move it...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Jul 12 - 10:55 PM

The prison wasn't moved because the majority of the American people have bought into the lie that the federal government can't do anything right. They are afraid to have the inmates moved to federal facilities in their states.


But closing Gitmo should not be the issue. If the detainees at the facility are having their rights observed, it does not matter where they are being held while they are in US custody.

On the other hand...
If the detainees at the facility are NOT having their rights observed, it does not matter where they are being held while they are in US custody.

Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay?
From: MarkS
Date: 07 Jul 12 - 10:46 PM

With the current system of government Jesus Christ Himself couldn't have closed Gitmo...

Hey Bobert, you are right on this one. The pity is that neither President Obama or any of his advisory team had the instinct, intuition, of forsight to know it.

All the Presidents promises and later statements are making him look, unnecessarily in my view, foolish. And it did not have to happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 07 Jul 12 - 10:43 PM

Because Teapubs are stupid and can't remember facts - and further do not know the difference between facts and propaganda.

Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay?
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Jul 12 - 09:57 PM

Obama doesn't control the purse...

End of story no matter how much Sawz and TeaPub Nation want to pin this on Obama...

With the current system of government Jesus Christ Himself couldn't have closed Gitmo...

Why Saws thinks that we are all stupid and don't remember the facts here is beyond me???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay?
From: Sawzaw
Date: 07 Jul 12 - 09:48 PM

The word from Obama was close it, not move it.

Guantanamo Bay: Still Open, Despite Promises
ABC News

It might be President Obama's biggest broken promise: [Big Ass Lie?] closing the prison at Guantanamo Bay.

As a candidate, Obama vowed so many times that he would shutter the prison he called a recruitment tool for terrorists that he himself even noted how often he's promised to do so, in an interview with Steve Kroft shortly after he was elected.

In that interview in November 2008, Kroft asked Obama if he planned to "take early action" to shut down Guantanamo. Obama replied, "Yes."

"I have said repeatedly that I intend to close Guantanamo, and I will follow through on that," he said.

After three and a half years as president, Obama has not done so.

Shortly after being sworn in, Obama did sign an executive order that required that the Guantanamo prison be closed within a year.

"The detention facilities at Guantánamo for individuals covered by this order shall be closed as soon as practicable, and no later than 1 year from the date of this order," read the statement he signed on Jan. 22, 2009.

At the end of that year, in December, with Guantanamo still open and running, Obama accepted the Nobel Peace Prize. He said in his acceptance speech: "I believe the United States of America must remain a standard bearer in the conduct of war. That is what makes us different from those whom we fight. That is a source of our strength."

"That is why I prohibited torture," he added. "That is why I ordered the prison at Guantanamo Bay closed."

Five days later, Obama issued a memo that directed the defense secretary and the attorney general to prepare a prison in Illinois for the Guantanamo detainees.

The deadline in Obama's executive order passed, and still he hadn't shut down the prison. In March 2011, two years after he signed the order, Obama signed another executive order. This one set up a review process for detainees. The document sought to "establish, as a discretionary matter, a process to review on a periodic basis the executive branch's continued, discretionary exercise of existing detention authority in individual cases."

The White House also released a related four-sentence statement in Obama's name. It didn't mention closing Guantanamo, or even use the word Guantanamo.

Obama has run into plenty of opposition in Congress. Lawmakers passed a bill preventing federal money from being used to transfer Guantanamo prisoners to the United States. Obama signed that bill into law, even as he issued a statement that disapproved of it. The provision was part of a bigger military bill that Obama said was too important not to sign.

Republicans, in particular, say that Guantanamo must stay open to keep terrorists there.

The issue has largely subsided, a result of the stagnant economy wearing on the public and perhaps the repetitive nature of the storyline.

Civil rights advocates still hope Obama stays true to his word. By his own power, he could take significant steps to close the prison, or he could issue a so-called signing statement that supersedes the law preventing federal money from being used to transfer prisoners.

Zachary Katznelson, a senior attorney at the American Civil Liberties Union, said Obama can release 87 Guantanamo prisoners who have been cleared, and start proceedings for trials for the other 169 detainees.

"President Obama has enough control and power that he can get these men out today if he has the political will to do so," Katznelson said. "It is a political decision."

Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay?
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Jul 12 - 09:32 PM

The Republican House won't approve one dime to move it...

End of story...

B~

Subject: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay?
From: Sawzaw
Date: 07 Jul 12 - 09:27 PM

Pentagon plans $40m fiber optic cable from Guantanamo Bay to US mainland

The Pentagon plans to install a $40 million fiber optic cable between the US military jail at Guantanamo Bay and the US mainland, a spokesman said Thursday - an indication the facility will not close anytime soon.

According to a "feasibility study" conducted by the US Defense Information Systems Agency, the project will cost an estimated $40 million, Pentagon spokesman Todd Breasseale told AFP.

The project - part of the budget for the fiscal year 2013 - must be approved by Congress, he said, confirming a Miami Herald report.

The construction of a fiber optic link would greatly improve telecoms access for those living at the US military base in Cuba. Detention camps at the naval base currently house 169 inmates.

News of the fiber optic cable project comes after the recent construction of a football field for Guantanamo inmates, at a cost of $744,000....