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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: GUEST,Branno Date: 24 Jul 12 - 10:41 AM Hey guys! Don, Bobert, pdq... you up yet? http://www.salon.com/2012/07/23/the_obama_gitmo_myth/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 19 Jul 12 - 01:17 PM Some of the worst abuses of Gitmo and the treatment of Muslims suspected of terrorism were rendered illegal by the Roberts Supreme Court. That shows you how off reservation the Bush people were. Its a mess for sure. But I don't think they are bringing new prisoners there now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: GUEST,999 Date: 19 Jul 12 - 12:19 PM I suppose the next logical step would be to deny defendants any rights to legal representation. Sure would ease the bottlenecks in the court system. A person could go straight from being accused to being incarcerated without the clumsy formality of a trial. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: pdq Date: 19 Jul 12 - 12:00 PM David Hicks went to Kosovo, Afghanistan and Pakistan (maybe more places) to support Islamic terrorists... In another letter on 10 August 2000, Hicks wrote from Kashmir claiming to have been a guest of Pakistan's army for two weeks at the front in the "controlled war" with India: "I got to fire hundreds of bullets. Most Muslim countries impose hanging for civilians arming themselves for conflict. There are not many countries in the world where a tourist, according to his visa, can go to stay with the army and shoot across the border at its enemy, legally." Yes, he says cheefully that he fired at citizens of India because they were not Muslims but whines that he spent a few years in Gitmo, almost a country club in a tropical paradise, it just has fences. Perhaps we should have taken him to India and let a few Hindus shoot at him? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: GUEST,Branno Date: 19 Jul 12 - 11:20 AM Sometimes I wish I didn't care... BUT... I make the common mistake of underestimating that strange meme called 'Patriotism', especially in the case of USAns. I've been chided on this thread for questioning the rightness of things, as I'm not one of the family, not an American. However, given that the tentacular reach of Americanism pervades the planet, I feel both the right and the responsibility to say my piece as I choose, on this or any other forum. I have a copy of Martin Luther King's speech at the Riverside Church in NY 4th April 1967 in front of me, and having read it again, I feel moved to quote him. He quotes, "A time comes when silence is betrayal" and then goes on to say, "The truth of these words is beyond doubt but the mission to which they call us is a most difficult one. Even when pressed by the demands of inner truth, men do not easily assume the task of opposing their government's policy, especially in time of war. Nor does the human spirit move without great difficulty against all the apathy of conformist thought within one's own bosom and in the surrounding world." There's a lot more, of course, much of it apposite to today, perhaps even more so than 45 years ago, given the prophetic resonance of much of what he says about America, the dream and the lie, the endless wars on other people's soil, while the common good at home is ignored or worse... Now back to Guantanamo Bay, (in)famous coaling station. Remember David Hicks? Hint = think Australia. An interesting case, the first to be tried before a military tribunal. Here's what's become of his defence counsel... http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/hickss-military-lawyer- dons-civvies-for-australian-law-firm-20120715-224af.html CHeers brothers and sisters dBranno |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 15 Jul 12 - 01:06 PM Bobert: "BTW, "freedom" ain't a plan.." Yeah, and its only the mist of it in the evaporation!!!! Bobert, You'd be a monster...if you could only clear that hurdle... (oh, and don't confuse a 'monster' with a 'dragon!') Regards, GfS BTW, I think your CD may be in our mailbox, and we'll be checkin' it, today. I'll let you know. (We are rural). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: Bobert Date: 15 Jul 12 - 12:58 PM Guess again, GfinS... Hey, here's an idea... Perhaps you would like to offer your ideas for Gitmo in detail taking into account the current political climate in the US... BTW, "freedom" ain't a plan... Have at it... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 15 Jul 12 - 12:47 PM Stop trying to minimize the truth to fit another CORRUPT regime! You are better than that! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: Bobert Date: 15 Jul 12 - 12:36 PM The fact o0f the matter, GfinS, is what I have been consistently saying about Gitmo: 1. It can't me moved because the TeaPubs won't fund the move... 2. It can't be shut down and everyone sent back to their countries because: a. Some of the folks there really are bad guys... b. If Obama were to do that he would more than likely suffer some serious consequences politically 3. The people held, at some point in time, need to have their cases adjudicated... Thems, for now, are the TRUTHS surrounding Gitmo... So, reality being what it is, given the TRUTHS of the situation "demanding" that people tell the truth is not going to get us anywhere... Getting the TeaPubs out of Washington, however, will create a climate where we move this sad and disgusting chapter along... It's not the Democrats or Obama that are blocking forward movement here, GfinS... It's the rabid TeaPubs who don't want any success for Obama... This is 100% right wing politics trumping policy... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 15 Jul 12 - 11:52 AM Bobert: "President Kennedy decided in late summer of 1963 that he would pull all Americans out of Vietnam after his re-election and only ***after*** his re-election... blah blah blah..." We had a treaty commitment to the French, that had us there even during the Eisenhower presidency....Kennedy did NOT want an escalation, and wanted to withdraw. It was under Johnson's administration that a LIE was sold to the American public, 'The Gulf of Ton-kin Incident' that got us totally involved with Vietnam and the war there!!! That war claimed 58,000 Americans lives, with over 60,000 deaths of American veterans who committed suicide upon or after their return....and tore the country apart, irreparably!! So don't tell me that the 'government' or a Democrat Party president doesn't lie to the American public, and Clinton and Obama are no exception!!!...That being said, the Bush and Nixon Administrations are a flaming example of the Republicans doing the same thing!!! It is people like you and others of your ilk, that promote this kind of behavior, from our 'leaders(?)', instead of DEMANDING the truth, and objecting to being LIED to REPEATEDLY!!!..by both of the corrupt, 'Special interests'..who just happen to be the same ones behind Kennedy/Dallas..so knock off all the pontificating about how 'swell' your boy Obama is....or Hillary, or Pelosi, or Reid, or 'Lincoln Savings and Trust' McCain, or Romney, or Bush...etc .etc. They are all completely corrupted front men, except for Bush-41, who was a direct player....and let go of the nonsensical 'debate' over which fucking liar, is the better man!!!! Play your music, and proclaim truth! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 15 Jul 12 - 10:18 AM ""The evil is not in the Guantanamo Bay prison itself. That is only a symbol. We hired the place; if we want to use it for a prison, or a football field, or a golf course, fine."" Spot on Joe F! But I wouldn't be too sanguine about the US Supreme Court chipping away at the misuse. Don't forget that Supreme Court was pre-loaded by ole Geedubya, to support any crimes he might want to commit, and he certainly made good use of the opportunities for a bit of old fashioned torture, and abrogation of human rights. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 15 Jul 12 - 10:11 AM ""Question: When the United States finally settles into a somewhat wiser, less agressive, and more stable middle-age, who will be the next country to try to establish a world empire?"" A famous writer (I can't remember which one) commented that ""America is the only country to have gone from infancy to senility without an intervening period of maturity"". Reading the nonsense spouted by supposedly intelligent human beings, who fight against every attempt at progress toward those benefits I take for granted in the UK, it seems that period of ""somewhat wiser, less agressive, and more stable middle-age"" has been shunted onto a siding somewhere, and is languishing, forgotten and neglected by those who might have had a better life, had they been more open minded and generous. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: Joe_F Date: 14 Jul 12 - 08:19 PM The evil is not in the Guantanamo Bay prison itself. That is only a symbol. We hired the place; if we want to use it for a prison, or a football field, or a golf course, fine. The evil is in the shysterlike utilization of the equivocal territorial status of Guantanamo to obstruct judicial & legislative oversight over what is done there. I gather that the Supreme Court is chipping away at that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: Bobert Date: 14 Jul 12 - 03:45 PM Speaking of TeaPubs.. Nice article in the WaPo by Exra Kline entitled "112th Congress Worst Ever?"... Long but well worth a read... BTW, Eric 'The Weasel" Cantor's numbers are down in his home district among... ...Republicans... Yup even those West End Richmond and Henrico County snobs are having 2nd thoughts about the Weasel... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: Don Firth Date: 14 Jul 12 - 03:38 PM Exactly so, Bobert. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: Bobert Date: 14 Jul 12 - 03:15 PM These Obama haters would hate Obama if he found a cure for cancer... They'd accuse him of trying to put doctors out of work... No changing them, Don... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: Don Firth Date: 14 Jul 12 - 03:04 PM Yeah, I think "Go have yourself a beer and try to relax" is good advice under any circumstances, except when you're driving or about to perform brain surgery. #### Branno, sorry if I got a bit snarky, but I'm sure you'll understand that your "Nazional Anthem" remark is an uncalled-for insult, along with your criticisms based on faulty knowledge. I agree with much of what you say about the problems in my country, but I'm also sure you will understand that there are plenty of Americans who are criticizing—and striving to replace—many of those in power for exactly the same reasons. Let me put it this way: I don't have a brother, but if I did, I may criticize him for his actions and attitudes, and my sister may criticize him for his actions and attitudes, but if someone outside the family starts accusing him, and by implication the rest of the family, of being a nest of Fascists, he's liable to engender a bit of resentment and animosity from me. And a word or two in his ear. There are few people more critical of the government of the United States than I am. But I am one of the many Americans who are striving to correct the abuses of money run amok and of self-serving applications of power. I might point out the historical context. Right now, the United States is not really doing anything that the Spanish were not doing in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries or the British in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries. And Germany and Japan did it far more aggressively in the twentieth century. And in the late twentieth century, there was a push-pull between the Soviet Union and the United States until the Soviet Union folded. Question: When the United States finally settles into a somewhat wiser, less agressive, and more stable middle-age, who will be the next country to try to establish a world empire? #### To those who insist on getting on Obama's case about not freeing the Guantanamo detainees and closing the naval base: did you ever wonder why the detainees are there in the first place? Over 25% of the detainees who HAVE been released have returned to terrorist activities. Anyone who bitches about Obama not simply releasing them all is just not playing with a full deck. It would be totally irresponsible for him to do so. And, of course, Obama's critics would get on his case if he did THAT! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: GUEST,999 Date: 14 Jul 12 - 01:27 PM "Go have yourself a beer and try to relax." That wasn't addressed to me, but I usually take good advice even when it's addressed to someone else. Thanks, Don. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: Jack the Sailor Date: 14 Jul 12 - 11:04 AM You know, Sawz, Wronger, President Obama won't miss your support. Have a nice cuppa tea and relax before you blow a blood vessel. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: GUEST,Branno Date: 14 Jul 12 - 10:36 AM @Don Firth... Good to see you've done your homework. Firthtly, I must apologise for mistaking the 1812 incident for the much later (1898) 'incident' involving the sinking of the "Maine" that precipitated American intervention in Cuba. No-one is clear, to this day, what really happened there or why the ship exploded. It was, however, justification enough for war with Spain and coincidentally 'protection of American interests'. Thecondly, I would prefer an apology from you for gratuitous off-hand personal imprecations. I'm quite prepared for a civilized exchange of views, as sane and reasonable caring human beings, presumably with a shared interest in the essential substance of the Mudcat... I'm a very passionate man, and I am NOT an American, therefore my cultural ethos and the memes thereof are different to yours. That's how it is. Disprove me, or disapprove of me, but please don't insult me. I LIKE being wrong (sometimes...) I find it encourages learning new things, don't you? I used the term "Nazional" advisedly in reference to the anthem of the USA (in particular, although ALL such anthems in my opinion are anathema). Far smarter people than you or I continue to point out the awful slide into fully functional Fascism that increasingly clouds the world. You must be aware surely? Your country leads the way. The great democracy becomes the world-girdling endless-war Empire. George Orwell had Ingsoc. Today we're burdened with Americap. Please have ANOTHER revolution? PLease? Jefferson recommended it didn't he? Clean up your own back yard, feed your own poor and hungry, sort out your own domestic prisons, care for your own land. We don't want your millions mister. We don't want your star spangled supremacy everywhere we look. Happy Bastille day... Vive Liberte, Egalite, Fraternite! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 14 Jul 12 - 10:23 AM The United States assumed territorial control over the southern portion of Guantánamo Bay under the 1903 Cuban-American Treaty, which granted it a perpetual lease on the area. That doesn't make it legal. It just demonstrates that the US gvernment was able to bully Cuba That's often enough happened with imperial powers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: Bobert Date: 14 Jul 12 - 09:54 AM Here's the deal, GfinS... Like I pointed out, a president in his (or her) first term can do some things and cannot do others... President Kennedy decided in late summer of 1963 that he would pull all Americans out of Vietnam after his re-election and only ***after*** his re-election... Ya' see, the politics were ripe for the McCarthy-ites to resurface in the Republican Party and accuse him of being soft on communism... This is exactly where Obama is with Gitmo and disarmament talks with Russia... The Republicans are ready to pounce if he does anything unilaterally... That's the politics behind the policy... Should Obama be re-elected you can take it to the bank that he is going to push Gitmo back to the front burner... Doing it now would be stupid... It would give the Repubs a pouncing moment and the Repubs could still block anything that Obama wanted to do... No thanks to being lured into a trap!!! B~ BTW, dudja get my CD??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 13 Jul 12 - 11:30 PM Bobert: "Lots of these people have home countries that don't want them... And would kill them... So, if you use modern legal theory, you don't sent them there... It would be like giving them a death sentence without a trial..." I'm so relieved to know that we have a President, and Government that is so benevolent, to keep detainees locked up in detention, in beautiful Guantanamo to protect them from their countries...I was starting to wonder about him. I thought it was only because they got speeding tickets, and overdue library books! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: Sawzaw Date: 13 Jul 12 - 11:24 PM "the Repubs in Congress, especially in the House" During the 100 day deadline Obama imposed on himself, The Republicans did not have the majority. The Democrats had the majority. ==================================================================== The bill was approved in an anticlimactic 307-to-114 roll call. Even if the Senate approves the measure, a more difficult question remains: what to do with those detainees who cannot be put on trial but are deemed too dangerous to transfer or let go. Mr. Obama has set a deadline of Jan. 22 to close the prison, which houses suspects captured in American military operations after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. The prison has become a focus of controversy, with critics saying that holding people there indefinitely without charges is contrary to American precepts. ================================================================= WASHINGTON — In a rare, bipartisan defeat for President Barack Obama, the Senate voted overwhelmingly Wednesday to keep the prison at Guantanamo Bay open for the foreseeable future and forbid the transfer of any detainees to facilities in the United States. Democrats lined up with Republicans in the 90-6 votethat came on the heels of a similar move a week ago in the House, underscoring widespread apprehension among Obama's congressional allies over voters' strong feelings about bringing detainees to the U.S. from the prison in Cuba. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: Bobert Date: 13 Jul 12 - 10:33 PM I'm saying that this ain't a one-size-fits-all that you seem to have reduced it to, wronger... The world is more complex than you seem to understand... There's something called gray... It lies between black and white... Most of these detainees is in the gray area... Plus, as I have stated, Obama can't give the Republicans a free card to pound him... That's the disadvantage of having to run for a 2nd term... Better to have a single 6 year term and not have to waste a 1st term playing safe... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: Songwronger Date: 13 Jul 12 - 10:28 PM Obama listed the options for treatment of the detainees. No one held a gun to his head and made him include "release them" as an option. So what if the Republicans complain. You're saying that it's more important for Obama to play politics than to keep his word? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: Bobert Date: 13 Jul 12 - 10:20 PM Lots of these people have home countries that don't want them... And would kill them... So, if you use modern legal theory, you don't sent them there... It would be like giving them a death sentence without a trial... I agree, however, that if there is a level of assurance that these folks can return home and be safe then send 'um home... Here's the political part... If Obama were to do that he would be pelted by the republicans who would say that he is a terrorist Muslin releasing these people to fight against the US... This is the real part of the story... John Kennedy wnated to withdraw all of our troops and advisors from Vietnam in the summer of '63 but was afraid that he would be tagged a "commie lover" by the Republicans... He told his Chief of Staff that he'd have to wait until after his re-election... Sound familiar??? Obama told Medvedev purdy much the same thing about nukes... And the beat goes on... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: Songwronger Date: 13 Jul 12 - 09:59 PM Bullshit. The Executive Order says the detainees, "...shall be returned to their home country, released, transferred to a third country, or transferred to another United States detention facility." No money is needed to release the detainees. So again, why hasn't Obama closed the dungeons at Gitmo? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: Bobert Date: 13 Jul 12 - 08:44 PM Bottom line, Part #379... Gitmo is here to stay as long as the Repubs in Congress, especially in the House, won't pay to move the detainees... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: Sawzaw Date: 13 Jul 12 - 08:35 PM "At any rate, I have to wonder if the fiber optic system from Gitmo is being upgraded so Obama can get better feeds of the atrocities being committed there." I wondered if it might be for remote trials via CCTV. Fiber optic should be un-jamable, spyproof and not subject to outages due to weather or atmospheric conditions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: Don Firth Date: 13 Jul 12 - 08:29 PM There are few things in this world more glorious that a really bad pun! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: Bobert Date: 13 Jul 12 - 07:57 PM Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad, Don.... B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: Don Firth Date: 13 Jul 12 - 07:52 PM And in an attempt to add a bit of levity to a thread in which people seem to feel quite free to be generally rather nasty, singer and 12-string guitarist Leo Kottke tells us that "The Star-Spangled Banner" was written by his great-great-great-great-grandfather, Francis Kottke. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: Don Firth Date: 13 Jul 12 - 06:15 PM The United States assumed territorial control over the southern portion of Guantánamo Bay under the 1903 Cuban-American Treaty, which granted it a perpetual lease on the area. It's a full American Naval Base, not just a coaling station. As to the American "Nazional Anthem" (which reveals quite a bit about YOUR prejudices, Branno), the poem was written in 1814 by the 35-year-old lawyer and amateur poet, Francis Scott Key, after witnessing the bombardment of Fort McHenry by the British Royal Navy ships in Chesapeake Bay during the Battle of Fort McHenry in the War of 1812. Sometime later, it was set to the tune of an English drinking song. It became the national anthem by a congressional resolution on March 3, 1931 and signed by President Herbert Hoover. As to the Marine's Hymn, the "shores of Tripoli" line has to do with the U. S. Marines, in 1805, helping to clean out the base of a group of Barbary pirates, who had been preying on international shipping—not unlike the Somali pirates and some pirates in Indonesian waters are doing these days. DO try to get it right! Go have yourself a beer and try to relax. You're hyperventilating. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 13 Jul 12 - 06:13 PM Someday the illegal occupation of Guantanamo Bay by the US will come to an end. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: Stringsinger Date: 13 Jul 12 - 03:30 PM The DHS, the NSA, the FBI, and other bought agencies will make room in it for all of us. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: pdq Date: 13 Jul 12 - 11:15 AM Thank you for your contributions, Mr. Brannon. Nice to see somebody on Mudcat who does not parrot the Democratic National Committee talking points. Nave a nice day. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: GUEST,Branno Date: 13 Jul 12 - 11:04 AM Apart from Guantanamo Bay, centre for ALL rescue operations in the Carribean, the USA maintains hundreds of military bases all over the planet, and respectfully asks permission of local residents, yes? To be helpful, of course, dear sweet kind Uncle Sammy! "OK kid, do you want the money or the gun?" Ring of steel around Russia, traditional enemies of freedom, ring of steel around Iran, next on the list of countries to be helped, ring of allies all around China, the REAL menace, and now, slightly off the radar, it being a very important election year in the VERY IMPORTANT USA, the African adventure! Excitement! Profit! Saving the world!! http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/07/12/obamas-scramble-for-africa/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: GUEST,Branno Date: 13 Jul 12 - 10:37 AM @pdq... A typically (arrogant?) American point of view. Rescue? RESCUE??? The USA does NOT pay the rent, does NOT ratify international treaties or accords (which according to your constitution should become the Law of the Land) and continues to use its power of veto in the UN like a bludgeon where Palestinians or Cubans are involved, to avoid annoying Israel. And incidentally, how have you treated the Cubans for the last 50 years? Or the Nicaraguans? Haitians? Iraqis, Afghans... a very long list of peoples you 'help' is it not? How about closer to home, say, Hopis or Lakotas or other First Nation people? Do you still assist the Vietnamese and Laotians? (too many of whom STILL die from or are maimed by 'Made in USA' bombs as you must be aware = La La Clinton smiled at one just the other day). Try rescuing yourselves. "Cops of the world"? Bah humbug! @Don Firth...I suggest you consult both your maps and your history texts, with special reference to US 'aquisitions' in the late 19th century (1903 in the case of your beloved 'Gitmo' as, yes indeed, a 'coaling station'). Diego Garcia ring a bell? How about The Philipines? Whence comes your Nazional Anthem? The false-flag war in Cuba! The Marine Hymn? Why it was Libya! We don't hate you down here (yes 'Downunder' way down here, just south of Hobart Town, next stop Mcquarie Island, can be found in any high-school atlas) but we sure don't like your Empire of exceptionalism (could that be also exemptionalism?) and "manifest destiny". So much good in your culture, and yet... Pax |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: Don Firth Date: 12 Jul 12 - 10:18 PM I think our friend Branno may have fallen asleep in geography class. Coaling station? I don't think so. He's probably getting Gitmo confused with the Falkland Islands, and that's a whole different--cricket match. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: pdq Date: 12 Jul 12 - 08:21 PM "Guantanamo Bay was originally leased as a coaling station by the US Navy, following the Mahon doctrine, in the 19th century, and my understanding is that you (your government) has never even bothered to pay the rent..." Wrong. The rent checks have been sent like clockwork. Since Castro, they have been put in a box and not cashed. The Naval Base a Guantanamo Bay is the center of all search and rescue operations in the Carribean. As is the case with any disaster or emergency any place in the world, people point and watch until Uncle Sam shows up and takes care of the problem. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: Bobert Date: 12 Jul 12 - 07:36 PM Nah, wronger... As per usual you have wrong down pat... Maybe you could bottle it up for folks who a tired of being right??? Obama ain't perfect... We on the left have never had a perfect president... That shouldn't have to be said but apparently you don't get the left at all... Obama is the lesser of evils... He hasn't started any wars... Oh, I know that your wacko bloggers have him starting a couple hundred (or thousand) wars... They also have Obama quilty of kidnapping the Limbergh baby and being a Nazi, a Muslim, a Martian, etc., etc... The alternative was John "Dick Cheney" McCain and is now Mitt "Dick Cheney" Romney... You pick... Oh, BTW... I have worked three (3) Green Party campaigns so don't even send that dog out to hunt because that mut not only don't hunt but if you bothered to notice, ain't breathing... He's dead... take him out back an bury him, man... BTW, I got pictures of my "Corvair" (lol) with Nader stickers all over the back of it... B~ B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: Songwronger Date: 12 Jul 12 - 07:11 PM It's pretty amusing to drop a bomb on a thread like this and watch the dissociative thinking kick in. In his first executive order Obama said he would close Gitmo. The question is, why hasn't he? The answer is, Glen Campbell took a chainsaw to a couch. That's from Bobert, who has a moral blindspot the size of Jupiter when it comes to Obama. At any rate, I have to wonder if the fiber optic system from Gitmo is being upgraded so Obama can get better feeds of the atrocities being committed there. Day-old snuff films may seem pretty tame to him by now. Maybe he wants fresh meat. Live screams from the waterboarding, things like that. And I repeat: Sec. 3. Closure of Detention Facilities at Guantánamo. The detention facilities at Guantánamo for individuals covered by this order shall be closed as soon as practicable, and no later than 1 year from the date of this order. If any individuals covered by this order remain in detention at Guantánamo at the time of closure of those detention facilities, they shall be returned to their home country, released, transferred to a third country, or transferred to another United States detention facility in a manner consistent with law and the national security and foreign policy interests of the United States. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: GUEST,Branno Date: 12 Jul 12 - 09:40 AM WOW...! How we down here in the southern hemisphere do love our Amerikan brethren and their/your insightful, thoughtful lovingkindness in free and frank exchange that SO encourages we minor mortals (NON-Amerkanish that is), who also inhabit OUR beloved planet. As your deluded fascist warmongering Empire of obscenity leads the world into the abyss = truly, people, it seems as if you have some kind of collective insanity. Guantanamo Bay was originally leased as a coaling station by the US Navy, following the Mahon doctrine, in the 19th century, and my understanding is that you (your government) has never even bothered to pay the rent... The catalogue of woes the people of the REST OF THE WORLD hold the USA to account for is huge, and it seems to matter not who appears to hold the reins in Washington (or Frog Hollow?) You ALL know, as WE all know that the bastard place you call "Gitmo" is only one of many outright horrorshow 'facilities' maintained worldwide to "protect American interests". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: Sawzaw Date: 11 Jul 12 - 05:29 PM Hell no, I am not going to let people that believe "The West Bank is no bigger than Washington DC" and "Haiti where 1% own ***all*** the wealth" wear me down. I have been trying to help that person out by pointing out that the west Bank is larger than Washington DC but he just wont admit it. He also thinks Obama bought his own airplane for his campaign in 2008. Poor Fellow. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: Don Firth Date: 11 Jul 12 - 02:37 PM Illegitimi non corborundum. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: GUEST,saulgoldie Date: 11 Jul 12 - 01:59 PM When confronted with mental illness, you either try to help your brother or sister in need, or you ignore them and let them do themselves in. If they are harming anyone else and can't be ignored, you imprison them. It has been my experience that riling them up does not accomplish much. YMMV. Saul |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 11 Jul 12 - 12:44 PM Suggestion- Gitmo, soon to re-open as the new 5(?) star resort, a prime holiday destination on the island of Cuba. Superb beachfront location, large Casino already in operation, far from the bustle of Havana. Expertly operated by Trump Enterprises. Now what was I smoking when I dreamed that? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: Sawzaw Date: 11 Jul 12 - 11:26 AM "stringing an intelligent thought together" "The West Bank is no bigger than Washington DC" "Haiti where 1% own ***all*** the wealth" Intelligent thought? Personal attacks replace intelligent thought for some folks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gitmo Prison here to stay? From: GUEST Date: 10 Jul 12 - 09:57 PM Guest,999: "...in an overheard radio transmission originating near Alpha Centauri. I heard it in stereo, no doubt caused by simultaneous transmissions from the binary star." Ahh, you listen to 'Galactic Central' too? ..or was that in a conversation you overhead on the 'Intergalactic Space Telephone'? GfS |
